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Again, there's nothing showing any race other than Humans know how to use Xen as a relay. Teleporting on other dimensions leads to Xen; Earth found a way to, at first, rebound the beam from Xen back to earth and then later how to aim the beam so that it slingshot the signal from Xen to Earth, bypassing Xen entirely. No other race has demonstrated that ability. (And again; the relay uses a bypass of how teleporting on Earth leads to Xen; obviously if you are on Xen, you wouldn’t need to use Xen as a relay.)Jandor said:
They wouldn't use Xen weaponry if their own weaponry was superior (Which I would suspect to be true. Combine/Human hybrid technology can be easily manufactured on Earth; doesn't need to be fed and won't die. And the Synth probably make better troops than anything on Xen, with the exception of the Headcrabs who make a good way to disrupt areas.) Plus they, you know, lost the Nihilanth and probably most of the control they had over the population of Xen.
No one mentions the Stalkers are human, or what the Combine were on Earth for, or what caused the Resonance Cascade either.
Like I said; Half-Life 2 is notorious for not spelling even important things out to the player. If they're not even going to say what the Combine is on Earth for, you really think they're going to mention if the Combine is on Xen? Talk about a tangeant
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My theory is that invisible coca cola cans ruled Xen, you cant see them because there invisible and no mentions it because '"We are Slaves" - to the coke cans'. You can't disprove my coca cola theory, but its obvious that it's not right
Had the coca-cola can’s been proven to exist, been known to enslave populations in other dimensions, and had a penchant for cybernetics, then I’d say they would have an equal chance with the Combine for being the ones behind Nihilanth’s enslavers. (Well, I would if I still gave a rip about Half-Life, which I probably wouldn’t if there was a race of Coca-Cola’s cans in it. )Don't forget that, at least for the method developer by Earth, Xen is required for teleportation. Controlling the borderworld means you keep an eye on whoever's developing teleportation. This has both the benefits of knowing if a race can become a threat, and acts as an buffer zone for the Combine homeworld.Angry Lawyer said:
What the heck are you talking about? Xen Relay != Teleporting to Xen. Teleporting to Xen is just a standard teleport; the Xen relay is aiming a teleport, that would otherwise have arrived on to Xen, to slingshot back to the dimension of origin. Again, as I said, the method of teleportation that Earth initally developed was ONLY from Xen-Earth or Earth-Xen; they had to devise a rebound and later a relay technique to do Earth-Earth locations.Jandor said:
As additions to their army? No, probably not. As guards for Xen (Which, as laidlaw mentioned, the "Nihlanth race" is well adapted to) though? Most likely. It allows the Combine to keep their resources busy enslaving new worlds while the Xen race can keep tabs on the Borderworld.
Which ends up being irrelevent to the Combine's intentions. We know Breen is the human face of the Combine and that he's helping to "deliver Earth"; doesn't tell us a thing about why the Combine want Earth, though. We just know they want us complacent for whatever they're doing.
No they didn't. They had one spraypaint in an extremly obscure location that just demonstrates what the soldiers are, and a computer monitor that can have the channel changed to to show a picture of a pale human on a table with wearing a pair of combine trousers and with something on his neck. We already know the Combine accept vollenteers so it really doesn't demonstrate any major overarching goal the Combine have for humanity. I file both those things to be as obscure as the two quotes. Plus they both don't cover the Stalker part of the equation, with is COMPLETELY left unannounced in the game. "If Valve wanted us to believe they are converted humans, why didn't they have someone SAY it?" We have some visual clues that allow us to draw a logical assumption, but we have no "smoking gun."
For that to be a reason they invaded requires them to have known about the Xen-relay prior to the invasion. (Which is possible, but never spelled out for us.) otherwise it's just a lucky find they came accross during whatever theri reason to come to Earth was. Again, there's nary as scrap of evidence of why the Combine came to earth; you can draw a lot of edjucated guesses though.
Look at the big picture please. The link is that we have a dimensional borderworld (Described by laidlaw as "a place you have to go through to get to other places.") On this borderworld, there is an enslaved race that's a hivemind. Seemingly at the center of this enslaved Hivemind is an entity that has been cybernetically and surgically altered.
Well, A. they have the collars/shackles and B. They already put cybernetics in the Nihilanth, and if that keeps tabs on the Hivemind like is theorized, it would makie any major cybernetic additions unneeded for the Vort's beyond simple experimentation (Which the average Hero wouldn't be extremly likely to come accross). This allows the Combine to save time, energy and resources in taking control of the Borderwold (Unlike humans and Earth, who do not share a hivemind and therefore have to be put under the knife one by one)
There nothing to state that those drinks are sentient; nor enslavers; nor cybernetic afficiando's, nor interdimensional travels. The Combine DO meet all those requirements though, hence why I say there's a connection; your attempt to trivialize it nonwithstanding.There are drinks machines all over HL2.
They use caffeine to get people addicted. (enslaved)
Nihilanths "assjet" was actually a drinks dispenser.
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Highly convenient? I talking about stuff that's directly quoted from the games.Jandor said:
I never said otherwise (Indeed, how would I be able to mention that it IS a possibility that the Combine invaded for the relay tech if I was also saying Earth couldn't have had it when they were invaded?) How the relay was developed is discussed a bit in Blue Shift. Kliener managed to compress and make it even better post Black Mesa.
This IS Half-Life after all; everything's obscureWell, at least one Combine on Xen theorist admits there obscure
Don't talk to me, talk to Laidlaw. (Although this situation requires that it's freqent that races develope teleporter technology and head out for war; freqent enough that the Combine can't get a bead on those who have recently discovered teleportation and take them down.)
Unless their "best troops" don't function as well as the Guards in the Xen terrain (Which, as have been stated, the Xen race was EXTREMLY well suited to Xen, having evoloved on there for a long time). Again, we're not talking total defense of Xen here; we're talking about an early warning system that informs the Combine when dimensions are utilizing teleportation to Xen and if there's a large mobolization of troops; obviously that happened as seen at the end of Half-Life.
Well then, I disagree with you since there's nothing expressly saying, IN GAME, that the Combine are converting the total human population, but you can draw some extremly logical conclusions. (Luckily in this case we outside sources to verify the theory.)
I was asking for reasons that the Combine came to Earth though. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
And just because something isn't spelled out doesn't mean it doesn't exist, which was the point I was trying to make.
We saw a total of two combine teleporters; and one of them was made with the Relay technology. And again; would the Combine even need more than a few of those things ANYWHERE? It's not like their Earth based operation has a lot of reasons send 1-3 man groups to Xen.
Again, it's possible the Combine never knew about Xen, what with the Combine teleporation technology seemingly able to bypass the Borderworld (Then again, it may not, Mossman never got into how Xen teleporation relates to the Combine, which is why we're having t his conversation) but I highly doubt that's the case. In order for the Combine to never have known about Xen, it requires them to have never found Xen during any of their explorations, even though it's the Borderworld. It also requires that NOT A SINGLE RACE they've ever encounted to have known about Xen.
That assumes they can just make a new Nihilanth (Which I doubt to be the case.) Plus, as said before, I highly doubt either the Nihilanth nor the Combine expected a single fragile entity who's race had died in the HUNDREDS against the Nihilanth, to come directly into it's chamber and defeat it on it's own little lonesome. What they probably expected is a full on war, which the Combine would have been paying more attention to; not some random, insignificant interloper. They were probably already engaged in attacking Random Dimension Q to worry about Freeman.
Aye. On a "normal" earth like terrain the Combine's forces would theoretically outclass the Xen race. On Xen, however, the Xen race gains a few notches due to being adapted to Xen.
Because it doesn't suit the Combine's needs that the entirety of Xen look and sound like the Combine. Just that the Nihilanth (Who looks Combine) keep an eye on things. Anything else is a waste of resources.
Old game. Although there's nothing really stating that Combine cybernetics don't use some sort of liquid.It's obvious Nihilanths "Assjet" is a drinks dispenser, it leaks new tastier orange flavoured coke when shot, how else would you explain the yellow stuff that comes from it?
It can't be blood, because Nihilanths "Assjet" is supposedly cybernetic
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UndeadScottsman said:Like I said; there's nothing saying that the shrivled brown slaves (I.e. stalkers) were once human. We CAN make some logical conclusions based on what we do know, though.
Samon said:Actually there is, Raising the bar confirms they were human, along with the walkthrough.
UndeadScottsman said:IN GAME, Samon, IN GAME.
Which was the point I was trying to make.
As UndeadScottsman has pointed out the Xenians were adapted to Xen (imagine a strider, mortar or crab synth trying to get around on Xen). The only reason Gordon had a hope in hell is because of Nihilanth sending a huge invasion force to Earth + the disruption the portal storms were causeing.
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Anywho, I would very much like a retail expansion featuring Shephard, perferrably done by Gearbox, and set around the events of Half-Life 2 with the Gman inflitrating Shephard into the Combine to prevent Race-X from taking advantage of the Combine being distracted by the rebellion.
Seven hour war I'm not really too enthused about.
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Because Earth was the first planet the Combine ever opressed the people in a way that left them a chance to rebel (somebody from Valve said it in an interview) so they never neaded to teleport forces around quickly. And all they really nead on other worlds is getting the invastion force in, tthen out, then resources and more troops out. They owned Earth in 7 hours so they don't need local teleport for invasions.
Breen mentions that "they could have moved on the rebels at any time" in Nova Propsekt, IIRC. Either he's trying to sound like he's in more control that he actually is (Which I honestly wouldn't put past him), or he knew where the rebels were hiding (Which is extremly possible, since they had a mole there the entire time i.e. Mossman)Jandor said:
First of all, don't dropships hold like eight troops?
How many times does it need to be said, the Nihilanth was DESTROYED by the time of Half-Life 2. With him went the Combine's big trump card over the resident's of Xen and only a few who are still under strict Combine supervision (IE: the Street Sweeper and the Vort in the prison) are not in positions to get away from the Combine.
Thanks, I thought it would be a cool idea that the Gman would screw around with Shephard. Being that the good Corporal is the "reserve" pawn; he gets the crap assignments.
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