Guns suck

[Shadowlands5325]

It wont stop killing, but its much easier to kill someone by pulling a trigger than beating them to death or plunging a knife in them.

Your missing the point.......

But now I must go...

 

[Sprafa]

The pure truth is that banning guns reduces suicide rates and overall homicide. The easier a thing gets, the more its done.

 

[oldagerocker]

yeah guns suck tbh. They aren't needed when countries have 'smart bombs' to make war with. Guns shouldn't be so avaliable.

 

[Shadowlands5325]

The pure truth is that banning guns reduces suicide rates and overall homicide. The easier a thing gets, the more its done.

Than ban ropes,screwdrivers,bridges,baseball bats, cars, gasoline, and anything other hazardous.

Just felt like pointign that out.

 

[Immortal]

Than ban ropes,screwdrivers,bridges,baseball bats, cars, gasoline, and anything other hazardous.

Just felt like pointign that out.

You cant compare a baseball bat to a gun. Basse ball bat-designed to hit baseballs
Gun-designed to kill people
See the difference?

 

[Sprafa]

Let me point this out to you. If there was freely guns in my country, then a few years ago I would have killed many people, including myself.

I'm just an example.

Banning guns must be progressive, guns never made any good at all.

 

[B.Calhoun]

all they do is end godamn lives and cause suffering, my best online buddy's best friend is now dead thanks to a ****ing berreta he had on hand when he was depressed. I cant tell you who the guy was because he was a talented member of the pc/gaming community who knew c++ / webdesign.. he was also an exmarine.. sad sad shit, he had more to live for then so many people I can think of.

Sad but he killed himself, the gun doesnt have a mind of its own. Guns can also be used for protection so they are nessesary in some cases.

EDIT: Sprafa, its people like you then that make guns out to be everything thats wrong, you have to be mentally unstable to want to go on a killing spree. Damn your messed up in the head.

 

[Shadowlands5325]

You cant compare a baseball bat to a gun. Basse ball bat-designed to hit baseballs
Gun-designed to kill people
See the difference?

Not going to repeat myself with this one.

 

[Shadowlands5325]

Sprafa why do you put me in your sig. You say it like its a bad thing. Whats the problem with guns anyways I see nothing wrong if they aren't in the hands of a idiot.

 

[poseyjmac]

reality check though. you live on planet earth. land of idiots

 

[Shadowlands5325]

reality check though. you live on planet earth. land of idiots

Maybe you and everyone your associated with. And I mean responsible individuals not ex-felons and people who should be ensue to a mental institue.

 

[B.Calhoun]

I agree with you Shadowlands, what Sprafa doesnt realize and/or acknowledge is the fact that the US is a pretty big country and there are MANY MANY MORE SAFE PLACES than there are dangerous places, where people dont run around with guns killing people and commiting suicide. Look at the whole picture people, not just the bad.

 

[Yakuza]

Uh we needed a gun tonite at a local hangout. Some guy was drunk+on X or acid and decided he would start shit with 40 of us minding our own business, so we just laugh at him and he comes up to this guy Matt and punches him in the head with brass knuckles, it was on then. Matt got pretty good hits in even tho he was not under any drug influence or have any kind of weapon. We pulled each other off of each other, then the guy that was so drunk and ****ed up cause of drugs tries to run away, well our little friend in a RSX followed after him, this guy has been in military school all his life, needless to say, HE WAS ****ING PISSED. He followed the guy to his house and gave the cops his address and all that shit, I am suprised he didn't beat that kids ass when he got there. Matt is in the hospital right now with his eye full of blood and 3 cuts on the back of his head, cause of what? He laughed with everyone else at the guy making himself look ****ing stupid? Yeah thats ****ed up, we have something planned for this guy, we got a few things in mind, one involving an UZI not saying we are going to shoot anyone with it, just possesions Cause frankly, Matt is like one of the coolest people I know, can get cops to lives us alone when we chill in parking lots and shit, never has a problem with anyone unless they start shit.

Btw, the guy is in jail right now for assault with a weapon, underage drinking, bond is set at $1500. Been a lot easier to pop that guy in the leg with a bullet then him doing all this shit.

Ontopic: I don't think guns suck if they are used for protection.

Yeah then you would be doing 10-25 years for attempted murder, that is unless you dont know where one of the biggest artieries in the body runs. Then make it 25-life.

 

[Shadowlands5325]

I agree with you Shadowlands, what Sprafa doesnt realize and/or acknowledge is the fact that the US is a pretty big country and there are MANY MANY MORE SAFE PLACES than there are dangerous places, where people dont run around with guns killing people and commiting suicide. Look at the whole picture people, not just the bad.

Congrats your the few who are smart individuals in these forums. Gotta make a list you sure are a rare breed here.

 

[KidRock]

I agree with you Shadowlands, what Sprafa doesnt realize and/or acknowledge is the fact that the US is a pretty big country and there are MANY MANY MORE SAFE PLACES than there are dangerous places, where people dont run around with guns killing people and commiting suicide. Look at the whole picture people, not just the bad.

and I agree with you.

 

[Sprafa]

Ok, let's say I can agree with having firearms available. Shouldn't it be at least limited to handguns only ?

Do we really need a Tech-9 ?

 

[PvtRyan]

Sorta funny (or sad if you don't have a sense of humour) Shadowland, you only think people who agree with you are intelligent. Guess what? Your opinion isn't the law, people who don't agree with you are not by definition dumb.

 

[Yakuza]

US is a pretty big country and there are MANY MANY MORE SAFE PLACES than there are dangerous places, where people dont run around with guns killing people and commiting suicide.

yeah yeah, I think those are the places reserved for child malesters and rapist.

 

[B.Calhoun]

yeah yeah, I think those are the places reserved for child malesters and rapist.

You must not live in america do you?

either that or your just ignorant.

 

[Yakuza]

You must not live in america do you?

either that or your just ignorant.

Fool, your the idot. Human nature is fundemtaly sick. There are no "Safe Places". As long as other humans are around!!!

I do live in the US, and in fact grew up in some rather dangerous surroundings. And in an attempt to get me out of it my parents moved me to were it was going to be "safe." Yeah there was no drive by shootings, but there was murder, and stuff like kids od'ing on drugs.......There are no "Safe Places". I am not the one who is ignorant.

 

[CptStern]

there are safer areas

Compton LA is probally a whole lot safer than Sierra leon or Fallujah

it's just a matter of perspective

 

[NeLi]

Ban all rifles, develop a civilian version of the police "beanbag" gun, and voilá, civilians can't kill so easy anymore.

 

[PvtRyan]

Ban all rifles, develop a civilian version of the police "beanbag" gun, and voilá, civilians can't kill so easy anymore.

I'd say develop a paintball gun that fires blue paint that doesn't go off for 5 days. There's already a spray like that for sale somewhere, just spray it in someone's face, smurf spray it's called I think

 

[Yakuza]

there are safer areas

Compton LA is probally a whole lot safer than Sierra leon or Fallujah

it's just a matter of perspective

Safer to what extent.

Meh, Its all relative to the size of the city and the amount of people who live there. Compton and Watts are still not a good place to be, and in the 90's it wasn't anything short of a war zone.

 

[Shadowlands5325]

Sorta funny (or sad if you don't have a sense of humour) Shadowland, you only think people who agree with you are intelligent. Guess what? Your opinion isn't the law, people who don't agree with you are not by definition dumb.

My word is right carebear. You should know that by now.

 

[CptStern]

Safer to what extent.

Meh, Its all relative to the size of the city and the amount of people who live there. Compton and Watts are still not a good place to be, and in the 90's it wasn't anything short of a war zone.

well lets see ...there were a number of massacres were women and children were hacked to pieces with machetes. Or how about stories of children with their right arms hacked off at the elbow so that they couldnt work the diamond mines ..last I heard that sort of thing doesnt happen in compton on a regular basis

Sierra Leon has been the worst country to live in for over a decade

 

[Xenome]

Violence generates violence, period.

Saying that guns make an area more save? Sure.

But do guns make an area more peaceful? No.

And the latest is what we want to achieve.

If people don't learn to realise that, we won't be solving the world problems anytime soon.

Civilians with guns is unacceptable imo. Police have them to keep order, but civilians don't have that task.

It just shouldn't have be possible to have this kind of situations:

1.Two civilians have an argument, things start to get tense, and in one angry moment, one shoots another.

2.A little kind finds a gun, not knowing what it is or why people made it ( it's insane actually), and accidently shoots itself with it.

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Actually, it's insane of the USA to allow civilians to have weapons. ONLY the police should have them, not civilians.

 

[Xenome]

You about banning guns:

Than ban ropes,screwdrivers,bridges,baseball bats, cars, gasoline, and anything other hazardous.

Just felt like pointign that out.

That's pure bullsh*t..

Not even worth replying to with all respect ..

 

[SubKamran]

I like guns...I've shot a 550 Magnum (loud as hell, if HL2 were anything close to reality whenever you shot it you'd be deaf for 2 mins, or forever) and I plan to get a BB gun soon.

But guns used to kill others, I hate that... :sniper:

 

[B.Calhoun]

Fool, your the idot. Human nature is fundemtaly sick. There are no "Safe Places". As long as other humans are around!!!

I do live in the US, and in fact grew up in some rather dangerous surroundings. And in an attempt to get me out of it my parents moved me to were it was going to be "safe." Yeah there was no drive by shootings, but there was murder, and stuff like kids od'ing on drugs.......There are no "Safe Places". I am not the one who is ignorant.

First off i didnt call you an idiot.

For you to say that there are no safe places is just you TRYING to get all technical and start up a ridiculous arguement. Maybe the fact that you grew up in a rather dangerous place has corrupted your veiw on the american society (or you've just watched to many movies). There are thousands of suburban towns that ARE safe, to an extent if you wanna pull taht human nature stuff on me. Of course there will be murder, but i all depends on location.

 

[Warbie]

This guy makes a good point, its hardly the guns fault, if the guy was going to kill himself he would of done it with or without the gun. Im not saying guns are wonderfull, I dont own one and most likley never will. But im just saying if this guy was stupid enough to kill himself, its hardly the weapons fault.

I don't agree.

Having a firearm makes it much easier to kill yourself - how many gun suicides are just an crazy impulse? a few seconds madness? (Noone really knows, but I believe many)

'I just have to pull this trigger and everything will go away - instantly'

This is similar to the argument - if you really wanted to kill someone, and didn't have a gun, you'd find a way. This may be true in a few cases, but most killings aren't cold blooded and planned in this way. Having a firearm makes killing quick, easy and impersonal. Now we can kill people in the heat of the moment at the push of a button \o/ :/

It doesn't take a brain scientist to realise the difference between shooting someone from across the street and getting up close and stabbing them, or beating them to death. Given the right situation many of us could do the first. I believe the majority of us couldn't do the latter.

All guns do is make killing convinient.

 

[ductonius]

I don't agree.

Having a firearm makes it much easier to kill yourself - how many gun suicides are just an crazy impulse? a few seconds madness? (Noone really knows, but I believe many)

'I just have to pull this trigger and everything will go away - instantly'

This is similar to the argument - if you really wanted to kill someone, and didn't have a gun, you'd find a way. This may be true in a few cases, but most killings aren't cold blooded and planned in this way. Having a firearm makes killing quick, easy and impersonal. Now we can kill people in the heat of the moment at the push of a button \o/ :/

It doesn't take a brain scientist to realise the difference between shooting someone from across the street and getting up close and stabbing them, or beating them to death. Given the right situation many of us could do the first. I believe the majority of us couldn't do the latter.

All guns do is make killing convinient.

The statistics from StatsCan would suggest the oppostie of your view. Now that guns are incresingly difficult to get in Canada the rate of murder has gone up, most due to an increase in knife murders. In fact, knife murders now outpace gun murders in Canada.

A *PERSON* motivated to kill will do so with the first thing on hand, whether it's a gun, knife or bat.

 

[Warbie]

Maybe so (although it'd take a link and proof that those stats are reliable to convince me) - but it's alot easier getting away from someone with a knife or a bat.

Either way - having a firearm can only make the situation worse. A device that makes killing people easy is not a good thing, in any house.

 

[ductonius]

Maybe so (although it'd take a link and proof that those stats are reliable to convince me) -

Straight from the horses mouth: http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/legal01.htm

but it's alot easier getting away from someone with a knife or a bat.

Conjecture. You're theorizing that a victim will be able to more easaly escape from an assailant who only has a short ranged weapon than a gun.

The only factor you're concidering is distance while the circumstances that most murders are committed in are far more complicated.

In addition, the fact that the most prefered weapon for murder in Canada is the knife rather than the gun shows that there is very little validity to your line of reasoning.

Either way - having a firearm can only make the situation worse.

Again, conjecture.

You are theorizing that having a firearm will only increase the chance that a murder in committed. There is no basis for this assumption and thus your line of reasoning is faulty.

A device that makes killing people easy is not a good thing, in any house.

Guns are not made to kill people. They are made to shoot a projectile in the direction they are pointed to by the operator.

What the operator does with this ability is not relivant to the purpose of the device.

The fact that it is often used to hurt or kill humans or other living creatures is not relivant to the purpose of the device.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Guns dont pull the trigger.

 

[booogerhead]

myopia - with what cruel wrath doth it twist the mind.

the above is neither here nor there - rather it serves as a reminder to those who believe that, above all else, they are correct.

 

[Yakuza]

well lets see ...there were a number of massacres were women and children were hacked to pieces with machetes. Or how about stories of children with their right arms hacked off at the elbow so that they couldnt work the diamond mines ..last I heard that sort of thing doesnt happen in compton on a regular basis

Sierra Leon has been the worst country to live in for over a decade

No but young children have a tendency to take a stray bullets. Also My brother in law is a sgt in the police force. he deals with stuff EVERY DAY. He talks to me about stuff we cant even think of.

Again there are no Safe places, as that was what the guy originaly said.

 

[Dalamari]

I don't agree.

Having a firearm makes it much easier to kill yourself - how many gun suicides are just an crazy impulse? a few seconds madness? (Noone really knows, but I believe many)

'I just have to pull this trigger and everything will go away - instantly'

This is similar to the argument - if you really wanted to kill someone, and didn't have a gun, you'd find a way. This may be true in a few cases, but most killings aren't cold blooded and planned in this way. Having a firearm makes killing quick, easy and impersonal. Now we can kill people in the heat of the moment at the push of a button \o/ :/

It doesn't take a brain scientist to realise the difference between shooting someone from across the street and getting up close and stabbing them, or beating them to death. Given the right situation many of us could do the first. I believe the majority of us couldn't do the latter.

All guns do is make killing convinient.

Well, it isn't the guns fault, it is the fact that guns are too easy to obtain or that we have a serious problem with the mental status of society. Outlaw guns to just the authorities I could agree with, but I am with many people who hobby shoot, it is no different than gaming for one of you.

 

[CptStern]

Guns dont pull the trigger.

Guns dont pull the trigger

Guns dont pull the trigger

Guns dont pull the trigger

 

[Yakuza]

Violence generates violence, period.

Saying that guns make an area more save? Sure.

But do guns make an area more peaceful? No.

Civilians with guns is unacceptable imo. Police have them to keep order, but civilians don't have that task.

you dont live in American do you?