Guns suck

[Shadowlands5325]

It's not going to be increased. Even if it is, it would have to be EVERYWHERE to fully protect people. And I mean everywhere. In fact, every citizen would need an armed bodyguard from the police.



They won't work outside if you can't carry them outside, obviously.



Now you're just being full of shit. You can kill with a million items that are 100% legal. Baseball bats, knives, rocks, scissors, powertools, anything. As for this inspiration bullshit, it's the same line used by people who are opposed to violent video games.



I hardly think gang bangers can get guns from stores. And if you didn't notice, guns and ammo cost a lot of money.



Only if the defender is caught completely unaware. If the defender senses trouble before anything happens, the upper hand is gone.



Average civilians can practise hand to hand combat, so that's not an issue.

I completely agree what on somethings what Cybernoid is saying.

 

[CptStern]

man some of you guys need a reality check.


fact: my hometown has 4 million people, yet there are only 50-60 murders a year. How many comparable US cities can say the same? btw guns are illegal in canada

facts:

"the United States has the highest rates of childhood homicide, suicide, and firearm-related death among industrialized countries. "

"The homicide rate for children in the United States was five times higher than that for children in the other 25 countries combined"

"A firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States. Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20%, as suicides; 22%, as unintentional; and 3%, as intention undetermined."

"The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined "

"The firearm-related homicide rate in the United States was nearly 16 times higher than that in all of the other countries combined (0.94 compared with 0.06); the firearm-related suicide rate was nearly 11 times higher (0.32 compared with 0.03); and the unintentional firearm-related death rate was nine times higher (0.36 compared with 0.04)."


source

in 2002 there were 14,054 murders, firearms were used in 9,369 of those murders.

57.2% of all murders are commited by a known individual ...only 42.8 of all murders were commited by strangers

in 2002 (the same year the 14,054 murders were committed) only 225 of those were deemed justifiable homicide (The killing of a felon, during the commission of a felony, by a private citizen)

source


guns kill period

 

[KidRock]

man some of you guys need a reality check.


fact: my hometown has 4 million people, yet there are only 50-60 murders a year. How many comparable US cities can say the same? btw guns are illegal in canada

facts:

"the United States has the highest rates of childhood homicide, suicide, and firearm-related death among industrialized countries. "

"The homicide rate for children in the United States was five times higher than that for children in the other 25 countries combined"

"A firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States. Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20%, as suicides; 22%, as unintentional; and 3%, as intention undetermined."

"The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined "

"The firearm-related homicide rate in the United States was nearly 16 times higher than that in all of the other countries combined (0.94 compared with 0.06); the firearm-related suicide rate was nearly 11 times higher (0.32 compared with 0.03); and the unintentional firearm-related death rate was nine times higher (0.36 compared with 0.04)."


source

in 2002 there were 14,054 murders, firearms were used in 9,369 of those murders.

57.2% of all murders are commited by a known individual ...only 42.8 of all murders were commited by strangers

in 2002 (the same year the 14,054 murders were committed) only 225 of those were deemed justifiable homicide (The killing of a felon, during the commission of a felony, by a private citizen)

source


guns kill period

awww boy here comes captain canada with all his AMERICA SUCKS CANADA RULES bull shit. Was gonna happen sooner or later. Keep trying kiddo maybe people will actually take your posts seriously.

 

[CptStern]

each passing day you reinforce the common held belief that you're an idiot :E



please prove me wrong

 

[KidRock]

each passing day you reinforce the common held belief that you're an idiot :E



please prove me wrong

Isn't it past your bed time little guy? I am sure you dont want to get caught by mommy..she might tell you, you cant watch the hockey game

 

[blahblahblah]

*snip*

I agree with you 95%. The only thing is I know tons of people who hunt and are completely responsible with guns.

The only thing you should take into consideration is some of the socio-economic and political (ie border states like Arizona and Mexico) conditions going on in the US. I live in Arizona and human trafficing is a real problem here. These people who traffic people (called coyotes here) have no qualms about killing people. I doubt a gun law would stop those horrible people.

Statistics don't tell the entire story. Just keep that in mind. That's all I'm asking.

 

[CptStern]

Isn't it past your bed time little guy? I am sure you dont want to get caught by mommy..she might tell you, you cant watch the hockey game

was that supposed to be witty? I hardly think my "mommy" cares what time her grown son (who's also a father) goes to bed ...btw shouldnt you be watching HeeHaw, or Billy Bob's Hillbilly Jamboree Howdown Hour or something?


btw I asked you to disprove my evidence

 

[CptStern]

I agree with you 95%. The only thing is I know tons of people who hunt and are completely responsible with guns.

The only thing you should take into consideration is some of the socio-economic and political (ie border states like Arizona and Mexico) conditions going on in the US. I live in US and human trafficing is a real problem here. These people who traffic people (called coyotes here) have no qualms about killing people. I doubt a gun law would stop those horrible people.

Statistics don't tell the entire story. Just keep that in mind. That's all I'm asking.

I agree, there are bound to be many responisble gun owners but accidents do happen. As the pie chart on the FBI site show more than 50% of the firearm related murders were killed by someone they knew

 

[KidRock]

was that supposed to be witty? I hardly think my "mommy" cares what time her grown son (who's also a father) goes to bed ...btw shouldnt you be watching HeeHaw, or Billy Bob's Hillbilly Jamboree Howdown Hour or something?


btw I asked you to disprove my evidence

Your a father? Ooo you must be one of those parents in canada who grow up telling your kids to hate america. i see now

 

[CptStern]

Your a father? Ooo you must be one of those parents in canada who grow up telling your kids to hate america. i see now

yes actually I buy american diapers so that my son can defecate all over them :thumbs:


also on the 4th of july I'll tell him to spit in the general direction of the US :E

 

[KidRock]

yes actually I buy american diapers so that my son can defecate all over them :thumbs:


also on the 4th of july I'll tell him to spit in the general direction of the US :E

Hey not my fault we have a day we can celebrate our independence.. when is canadas again? the day beer was created or something? :thumbs:

 

[CptStern]

who says I buy them? I usually just cross the border, trade in my food stamps for a handgun and pistol whip the nice old lady at the baby store and then head home :E

 

[CptStern]

Hey not my fault we have a day we can celebrate our independence.. when is canadas again? the day beer was created or something? :thumbs:

ya beer day :upstare:

 

[KidRock]

who says I buy them? I usually just cross the border, trade in my food stamps for a handgun and pistol whip the nice old lady at the baby store and then head home :E

See America is not just good for protecting canada but good for buying diapers as well Eh?

 

[CptStern]

you protect us? hahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhah

I'm sure there's a huge list of countries waiting to take over canada





list of Countries that want to take over canada

1) USA (been there, tried that, failed miserably)






seriously we're so inoffensive that we make the swiss look like .... sweden

 

[KidRock]

you protect us? hahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhah

I'm sure there's a huge list of countries waiting to take over canada





list of Countries that want to take over canada

1) USA (been there, tried that, failed miserably)






seriously we're so inoffensive that we make the swiss look like .... sweden

Of course we are going to protect you.. who else will? your airforce of 5 plans and three drunk hillibillys? Or maybe your mounties! the moose riders! I heard they actually have guns now.

Ever wonder why you are so inoffensive

 

[KidRock]

I think this movie is appropriate right now..

http://www.collegehumor.com/?movie_id=45789

 

[CptStern]

Of course we are going to protect you.. who else will? your airforce of 5 plans and three drunk hillibillys? Or maybe your mounties! the moose riders! I heard they actually have guns now.

sorry but the US is mad at us, I dont think you'll be charging to the rescue anytime soon

Ever wonder why you are so inoffensive

ummm maybe it's because we're soooo nice

 

[NeLi]

It's not going to be increased. Even if it is, it would have to be EVERYWHERE to fully protect people. And I mean everywhere. In fact, every citizen would need an armed bodyguard from the police.

See, you think the average guy is a responsible, well trained civilian who knows what he's/she's doing with his/her gun. Sorry, but that's not the case. Welcome to the real world, a world where a lot of people die becauce of ignorance when dealing with guns. And if you honestly think that well armed civilians will somehow abolish crime, you're wrong. It might make it worse, however. Wait a second... We already have well armed civilians somewhere don't we? Yes, in America. Yet more people die from gunshots there than anywhere else. That kinds says something.

They won't work outside if you can't carry them outside, obviously.

Well, I changed my opinion. If you're a paranoid freak who needs to have a piece in his holster, then why not get the non lethal gun instead of a lethal one? They look the same, so the "omg, he's got a gun!!!" factor still counts.

Now you're just being full of shit. You can kill with a million items that are 100% legal. Baseball bats, knives, rocks, scissors, powertools, anything. As for this inspiration bullshit, it's the same line used by people who are opposed to violent video games.

Yes, the argument "OMG, THERE ARE OTHER DANGEROUS THINGS IN THIS WORLD, AND THEY ARE LEGAL TOO, SO WHY CAN'T GUNS BE LEGAL!?!?!?!" has already been discussed. YOu see, the guns are specialized in ending peoples lives, when a brick is not.

And no, it's not at all the same thing as the video game argument, since video games do not directly kill. You can't use a gamecube as a rifle, now can you?

I mean, it's already proven that guns can influence kids badly. Kids think they're cool, so if their daddy has one, of course they'll try to get a hold of it. And it happens every year in the US, and a lot of kids die like that.

I hardly think gang bangers can get guns from stores. And if you didn't notice, guns and ammo cost a lot of money.

Name one reason why they can't just walk in and buy/steal a gun(s)?

So you think gangbangers give a shit about money? Jeez...

Only if the defender is caught completely unaware. If the defender senses trouble before anything happens, the upper hand is gone.

Senses trouble? Like if he's walking down the street, during the night, he's going to do what, exactly? Aim his gun at everyone who comes near him? And please, tell me why he can't use the gun we talked about earlier, you know... THE OH SO NOT LETHAL GUN. Jeez, you seem to skip that argument all the time. Why can't we introduce humane guns instead of lethal ones?

Criminals do get more aware themselves when more and more civilians start wearing guns. Which is another problem.

Average civilians can practise hand to hand combat, so that's not an issue.

Now who's spraying bullshit? The average civilian does not know how to practice hand to hand combat, and the few who do learn it often can't make practical use of it in situations where a criminal confronts them.

 

[Cybernoid]

btw guns are illegal in canada

If that's the case, the Canadian Olympic shooters I saw on TV were probably outlaws or something. Rogue terrorists?

"the United States has the highest rates of childhood homicide, suicide, and firearm-related death among industrialized countries. "

"The homicide rate for children in the United States was five times higher than that for children in the other 25 countries combined"

"A firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States. Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20%, as suicides; 22%, as unintentional; and 3%, as intention undetermined."

"The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined "

"The firearm-related homicide rate in the United States was nearly 16 times higher than that in all of the other countries combined (0.94 compared with 0.06); the firearm-related suicide rate was nearly 11 times higher (0.32 compared with 0.03); and the unintentional firearm-related death rate was nine times higher (0.36 compared with 0.04)."

Children don't have access to firearms unless their parents give them one or fail to hide or secure their own, basically. And we're talking about a country where there are people who put their cats in a microwave owen, kill it, and then sue the manufacturer because the manual didn't say that you can't cook cats in the oven. People who blame video games for everything. The parents, instead of assuming responsibility for leaving loaded guns in drawers and such, blame videogames or say that "guns kill." And that's that.

guns kill period

Pencils misspell.
Computers make bugs.
Cars run over people.
Shovels hit people.

Welcome to the real world, a world where a lot of people die becauce of ignorance when dealing with guns.

That's their own problem. Cars kill people the same way even though you need to pass a test to get one.

And if you honestly think that well armed civilians will somehow abolish crime, you're wrong.

I'm not talking about abolishing crime, I'm talking about self-defence which is a basic human right.

Yes, the argument "OMG, THERE ARE OTHER DANGEROUS THINGS IN THIS WORLD, AND THEY ARE LEGAL TOO, SO WHY CAN'T GUNS BE LEGAL!?!?!?!" has already been discussed. YOu see, the guns are specialized in ending peoples lives, when a brick is not.

Doesn't matter anything. You can still pickup a brick and smash someone's skull.

And no, it's not at all the same thing as the video game argument, since video games do not directly kill. You can't use a gamecube as a rifle, now can you?

You were talking about guns "influencing" or "inspiring" people to kill... try to remember your own arguments. You weren't talking about directly killing.

I mean, it's already proven that guns can influence kids badly. Kids think they're cool, so if their daddy has one, of course they'll try to get a hold of it. And it happens every year in the US, and a lot of kids die like that.

Where has it been proven, and by whom? And do you think it might be at all possible that video games and Hollywood movies have the influence, not the guns? Maybe we should just ban games and movies, eh?

Name one reason why they can't just walk in and buy/steal a gun(s)?

Security measures, and the fact that the owner probably considered the possibility of robbery beforehand and armed himself.

So you think gangbangers give a shit about money? Jeez...

Well, I don't know about you, but I'd say that money can be important when BUYING SOMETHING. Your argument was that as soon as guns turn legal, gangbangers will just walk into their local gun shop and arm themselves to the teeth. Now you're saying that they will simply steal them - yet they can steal them anytime they want, because we already have gunstores with plenty of guns.

Senses trouble? Like if he's walking down the street, during the night, he's going to do what, exactly?

Jesus christ, now you're really making yourself look stupid. Awareness is the first and most important line of self-defence. There has been mountains of material written on the subject of being "streetwise" and avoiding/sensing trouble. We're talking about things as simple as looking around - or is that just too difficult?

THE OH SO NOT LETHAL GUN. Jeez, you seem to skip that argument all the time.

There is no argument, because there are no magical non-lethal gun, except for sprays, which aren't guns. Beanbag weapons are still for LEOs only.

Now who's spraying bullshit? The average civilian does not know how to practice hand to hand combat,

I think you're confusing hand-to-hand combat with superfly kung-fu commando movies. Hollywood != reality.

and the few who do learn it often can't make practical use of it in situations where a criminal confronts them.

So basically: only a FEW PEOPLE IN THE WORLD know anything about self-defence, and the majority of them are unable to use their training?

I mean... WHERE do you get all this shit? Whatever it is that you're smoking, I want some.

 

[Sprafa]

If more guns meant more security, then the USA would be one of the safest countries in the World.

But that isn't the case, is it ?

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Of course we are going to protect you.. who else will? your airforce of 5 plans and three drunk hillibillys? Or maybe your mounties! the moose riders! I heard they actually have guns now.

Ever wonder why you are so inoffensive

I said I would post here again. Just two points really.

Number 1: Ignorant dumbass alert!! Just so you know KidRock, I will be ignoring all you're posts as of now. I urge others to do the same, they are blatently a waste of time.


Number 2: Sprafa's point bellow sums up all my feelings on the subject really.

 

[Cybernoid]

__________________
If more guns mean more security, then why isn't the USA one of the safest countries in the World ?


Members that disagree with this - Cybernoid, KidRock

What a brainfart. As if guns are the only factor in public safety.

 

[Sprafa]

What a brainfart. As if guns are the only factor in public safety.

According to you, they should increase heavily security.

 

[Xenome]

Yea guns suck..

I think it's unbelievable that usa allows people to have guns in their homes..

 

[Shadowlands5325]

Yea guns suck..

I think it's unbelievable that usa allows people to have guns in their homes..

Well this is all opinion. I don't know why people complain that live in other countries and say U.S. has the highest crime rate in gun related murders when they don't even live there. If it's not in your country why care? Buts thats just you. You should also try per capita you be surprised how many people die compare to the U.S.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Thats certainly an "interesting" nationalistic slant on things.

Just because its not your country doesn't mean you shouldn't care. You could take it a lot further and say.

"Oh look, someone in my class died...but hey, they didn't sit in my chair so I don't mind"

 

[Shadowlands5325]

Thats certainly an "interesting" nationalistic slant on things.

Just because its not your country doesn't mean you shouldn't care. You could take it a lot further and say.

"Oh look, someone in my class died...but hey, they didn't sit in my chair so I don't mind"

I wouldn't care if the UK has crime related murders reaching like America. If it was getting out of hand where people were dying and starving and anarchy broke loose than I would care.

I am only being realistic.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Being realistic? How am I not?

What is the cut off point on the death toll where you begin to care?
and if you are wondering, its not that I care more or less about the problems in the US, but it is simply that that is what is in question here.

 

[Mr.Reak]

Thats certainly an "interesting" nationalistic slant on things.

Just because its not your country doesn't mean you shouldn't care. You could take it a lot further and say.

"Oh look, someone in my class died...but hey, they didn't sit in my chair so I don't mind"

But most of the time you don't actually care. I don't know, most of people I know pretend to care, so they don't sound like assholes, but in the end the most important thing in their life is to find cheapest gas station. People in general has problems in their own life, they don’t want to care/hear about injustice that goes on in other countries. Hence ignorance is a bliss saying came from.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

True, though that isn't to say I'm "caring" to look good... itssimply that it doesn't hang over my mind all day. I can't think about everything all of the time. What I generally do is make a point of "thinking" about all the people suffering in the world, and how blessed I am to be here.

 

[Shadowlands5325]

Being realistic? How am I not?

What is the cut off point on the death toll where you begin to care?
and if you are wondering, its not that I care more or less about the problems in the US, but it is simply that that is what is in question here.

I didn't say you weren't being realistic. I was saying I was. I was implying that I wouldn't care about the people in other countries unless they were breaking havoc. The problems in gun control are never gonna be fixed here. People just need to realize that. And if we did ban guns here you know how many Mexicans will traffic them and people buy them. It will be like drugs. Never gonna be fixed. Even your country which has strict gun control can reach a gun. Image a third world country right next to you?

 

[Immortal]

But most of the time you don't actually care. I don't know, most of people I know pretend to care, so they don't sound like assholes, but in the end the most important thing in their life is to find cheapest gas station. People in general has problems in their own life, they don’t want to care/hear about injustice that goes on in other countries. Hence ignorance is a bliss saying came from.

Thats the problem with humans, were all self centered egoists :|

 

[Shadowlands5325]

Thats the problem with humans, were all self centered egoists :|

I am a prime example.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

I never really said anything about banning guns, though I think it would be best. People here can get hold of guns, but it is not so easy.

 

[Immortal]

I didn't say you weren't being realistic. I was saying I was. I was implying that I wouldn't care about the people in other countries unless they were breaking havoc. The problems in gun control are never gonna be fixed here. People just need to realize that. And if we did ban guns here you know how many Mexicans will traffic them and people buy them. It will be like drugs. Never gonna be fixed. Even your country which has strict gun control can reach a gun. Image a third world country right next to you?

Even if they were bringing in guns, the vast magority would benifit, and thousands of lives would be saved.

 

[Shadowlands5325]

I never really said anything about banning guns, though I think it would be best. People here can get hold of guns, but it is not so easy.

I know that but gun bans never work. Banning anything dosen't work. Unless its really had to find like Uranium. But even that you can get your hands on if you look in the right places.


And whats to stop people from killing? No guns?

There is bombs,knives, swords, etc or just beating the shit out of someone till they die.

 

[Shadowlands5325]

Even if they were bringing in guns, the vast magority would benifit, and thousands of lives would be saved.

Being the vast majority being the people imported them? And I really don't think people benefit from guns but I do believe in civil liberty to someone own it.

 

[Mr.Reak]

Thats the problem with humans, were all self centered egoists :|

I don’t consider it a problem, it’s a way of life. Some people don’t like it, so they actually help out others, which is good for them. I mean look at things this way, why do you want to be with someone for example, be in love? So it would make you feel good, so you could feel somebody really care about you. Some people do good things in life, so they can feel proud of themselves. In the end, it’s always about yourself, some people just don’t think about things in the long run.

Me for example, I don’t really care about Iraq right now, because I have no friends/family there, but I know it will affected me soon or later, but I keep ignoring it for now.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

I know that but gun bans never work. Banning anything dosen't work. Unless its really had to find like Uranium. But even that you can get your hands on if you look in the right places.


And whats to stop people from killing? No guns?

There is bombs,knives, swords, etc or just beating the shit out of someone till they die.

It wont stop killing, but its much easier to kill someone by pulling a trigger than beating them to death or plunging a knife in them.