Hamas demands return of Seville, Spain

[Raziaar]

http://www.spainherald.com/2414.html

How much crazier can these guys get?

Hope this hasnt been posted before. If so, Please delete.

 

[dream431ca]

I knew it...I smell WWIII.

EDIT: Just a question...you know the other thread about that Cartoon thing that got a lot of people pissed of around the world? Is Hamas with the same religion? Cause if they are..then I really see WWIII.

 

[Raziaar]

I knew it...I smell WWIII.

EDIT: Just a question...you know the other thread about that Cartoon thing that got a lot of people pissed of around the world? Is Hamas with the same religion? Cause if they are..then I really see WWIII.

Yes. The Religion is Islam. I don't consider fanatics really a good representation of a religion, though.

 

[dream431ca]

Yes. The Religion is Islam. I don't consider fanatics really a good representation of a religion, though.

Yes well, Hamas are fanatics and there are a lot of them. I'll I can say is I'll keep on eye on this one..could turn for the worst.

 

[VictimOfScience]

Wow. Just...wow. These lunatics ought to get together with their neighboring crazies, Iran, and have a pity party. The Middle East is just a huge effing mess! What to do?!

 

[Icarusintel]

What we need to do is just let Israel kick all their asses again, and finish the job this time

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

They argue once a Muslim ruled land, it must always be muslim ruled and in the end must return under their control. This is the same thought process driving Hamas wanting the eradication of the state of Israel.

 

[DeusExMachina]

If anything escalates, I'm sure someone will come raining down on them.

 

[French Ninja]

If anything escalates, I'm sure someone will come raining down on them.

Men?
Its raiiiinnin' men!.....

Anyway, I know that this is going to blow up sooner or later but for some reason I find this hilarious.

 

[Bob_Marley]

So what exactly is new? Hamas are still a bunch of nut cases, one religion or another is demanding that "their" land must be returned and it looks suspisiosly likly that the middle east is going to erupt into a blood bath. Its been like that for more than 30 years.

No-one will try anything. The new hamas govenment wont have enough money to feed and shelter its own people if it dosent tone it's message down quite alot, let alone enough to prosecute a war against Isreal or (seemingly in this case) Spain.

 

[CptStern]

ummm did anyone actually read the article?


"Hamas demands return of Seville in internet children's magazine"

so they're using children now to get their demands heard? come on :upstare:



btw The Spain Herald is a propaganda mouth piece of right wing Partido Popular which pays them to write periodic articles criticising the left leaning government of Zapatero who incidentily threw them out of office in the last election


stop posting news stories from reactionist sites like littlegreenfootballs guys

 

[Raziaar]

Funny how you see it like that Stern. I see it as a way of spreading propganda to young children.

And whatever bias you feel that website has, doesn't lessen the fact that what it reports is accurate, according to the information available on the children website.

You seem quick to judge christian whackos, but less so to judge muslim whackos who happen to be a terrorist organization. Do you believe anything these people say is outlandish, or are you just going to cover yourself with crap about how a website that is reporting news is biased and flinging stuff out there about 'right ring'?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

ummm did anyone actually read the article?


"Hamas demands return of Seville in internet children's magazine"

so they're using children now to get their demands heard? come on :upstare:



btw The Spain Herald is a propaganda mouth piece of right wing Partido Popular which pays them to write periodic articles criticising the left leaning government of Zapatero who incidentily threw them out of office in the last election


stop posting news stories from reactionist sites like littlegreenfootballs guys

Where it came from doesn't make it somehow less credible if it is factual. The point remains that this is the mindset that is now OFFICIALLY in control over there. They have to stop the insanity on all levels or face the impending consequences as they are still a terrorist regime.

 

[CptStern]

Where it came from doesn't make it somehow less credible if it is factual. The

I've scanned spanish media and found nothing except for a few right wing blogs

point remains that this is the mindset that is now OFFICIALLY in control over there. They have to stop the insanity on all levels or face the impending consequences as they are still a terrorist regime.

what the hell are you talking about? hamas mindset in control in spain? and you know this how? from living with spaniards? by keeping up with local media? tell me, which one do you like better? el Pais or El Correo. I prefer el Pais but my dad likes El Correo cuz it has an edition from his home province

 

[CptStern]

Funny how you see it like that Stern. I see it as a way of spreading propganda to young children.

this is really getting tiresome raziaar ..how am I judging the article in any way shape or form? I'm questioning the credibility of the source, nothing more. Your title was completely misleading

And whatever bias you feel that website has, doesn't lessen the fact that what it reports is accurate, according to the information available on the children website.

how do you know? can you read arabic? you're taking the word of an admitted paid propaganda site

You seem quick to judge christian whackos, but less so to judge muslim whackos who happen to be a terrorist organization. Do you believe anything these people say is outlandish, or are you just going to cover yourself with crap about how a website that is reporting news is biased and flinging stuff out there about 'right ring'?

stop it ffs, quit putting words in my mouth, you're just flaming now, not adding anything to this thread ..I questioned the source nothing more

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

what the hell are you talking about? hamas mindset in control in spain? and you know this how? from living with spaniards? by keeping up with local media? tell me, which one do you like better? el Pais or El Correo. I prefer el Pais but my dad likes El Correo cuz it has an edition from his home province

Of Palestine. With Abbas fully at the reigns before there was at least a limited sense of sanity, that there was some (if not a complete wholehearted) effort to stop the militants.

The militants are now THE officials in command. This group that supports and believes this ideology that a Muslim caliphate must rule all previously Muslim ruled lands is in control in a situation that is volatile for the entire world, not just Israelis and Palestinians. Hamas and those like them's true lunacy is shining bright, and it needs to be confronted before it grows out of hand and a new wave of massive violence begins against Israel and other Western targets.

 

[CptStern]

and what does that have to do with seville?

 

[gh0st]

hamas' landslide victory proves that terrorism is not outside the realm of moderate/leftist islam. its much more mainstream than any of us realized, which is sad and scary.

however i am happier that now israel can just drop a bomb on their government headquarters and kill all of those scumbags with one shot.

 

[Lemonking]

yay gh0st is back

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

and what does that have to do with seville?

The Hamas supported demand for the return of Muslim control of it is an example of their crazy ideology and given they've used deadly attacks against Israel without hesitation, who's to say it may not make its way to Europe.

 

[Ome_Vince]

ummm did anyone actually read the article?


"Hamas demands return of Seville in internet children's magazine"

so they're using children now to get their demands heard? come on :upstare:



btw The Spain Herald is a propaganda mouth piece of right wing Partido Popular which pays them to write periodic articles criticising the left leaning government of Zapatero who incidentily threw them out of office in the last election


stop posting news stories from reactionist sites like littlegreenfootballs guys

"Get them young and a world opens"..
If they teach the kids Spain "used to be" muslim lands ( which they conquered from the Christians and held for 6-700 years ), we get another nice Israel conflict filled with Suicide bombers in spain demanding "their country" back.
Man how i love this world....

 

[Solaris]

hamas' landslide victory proves that terrorism is not outside the realm of moderate/leftist islam. its much more mainstream than any of us realized, which is sad and scary.

however i am happier that now israel can just drop a bomb on their government headquarters and kill all of those scumbags with one shot.

The Palestinian people didn't vote Hamas becuase they disagree with women having equal rights, they didn't vote Hamas becuase they want Islam to be law, they voted Hamas becuase there sick of Isreal bulldozing more and more of there houses, building walls seperating them from there work places, and shooting at their ambulances. They voted Hamas becuase they think its time to fight back, its not terrorism, it's resistance.

 

[Raziaar]

The Palestinian people didn't vote Hamas becuase they disagree with women having equal rights, they didn't vote Hamas becuase they want Islam to be law, they voted Hamas becuase there sick of Isreal bulldozing more and more of there houses, building walls seperating them from there work places, and shooting at their ambulances. They voted Hamas becuase they think its time to fight back, its not terrorism, it's resistance.

You view Hamas as justified resistance/freedom fighters?



You're more whacko than I once thought.

This is an organization that INTENTIONALLY targets civilians. INNOCENT CIVILIANS. Your actions are akin to justifying the deaths of iraqi civilians by the US army. Except that the US army doesn't intentionally kill civilians, it just happens. Whereas Hamas INTENTIONALLY targets civilians. Children, women... elderly. Its all fair game to them.

And you condone this. Geez.

 

[Solaris]

You view Hamas as justified resistance/freedom fighters?



You're more whacko than I once thought.

I do, there fighting to free there people. Their tactics can be disgraceful, I cannot condone the killing of civillians by anyone. Isreali troops however are legitimate targets and I support palestinian resistance fighters who target them.

 

[JNightshade]

He's not wacko- for once, I somewhat agree with him. Living in the US, the Palestinian resistance is vilified to an ungodly extent; judging by the media, you'd think they were all eating babies. Just think about it this way: if someone took half of America and gave it to France, wouldn't you be pissed? I doubt you'd blow yourself up, and I absolutely HATE them for the tactics they use, but still.

And the election of Hamas really does show the desperation of the Palestinians to get Israel out. I disagree with it, but I don't think they were elected merely out of support for terrorism.

Man, this whole business is such a f*cking mess... *shakes head*

 

[Raziaar]

I do, there fighting to free there people. Their tactics can be disgraceful, I cannot condone the killing of civillians by anyone. Isreali troops however are legitimate targets and I support palestinian resistance fighters who target them.

They're purposefully targetting young children, and other innocent civilians to get their point across. How you can even support them is amazing.

 

[Solaris]

Isreal relies on the US, without it it wouldnt exist.

Did you know Isreal have as many nuclear weapons as the UK?

They're purposefully targetting young children, and other innocent civilians to get their point across. How you can even support them is amazing.

Their tactics can be disgraceful, I cannot condone the killing of civillians by anyone.

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[Raziaar]

Isreal relies on the US, without it it wouldnt exist.

Did you know Isreal have as many nuclear weapons as the UK?





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Yes... Israel has the nukes, but they have shown remarkable self restraint, and have not used them when they could have numerous times when countries sought to invade them. They're obviously not willing to go through the extremes that their enemies will... Nuclear war.

And its easy to say you don't ''condone" the violence that Hamas does, and turn a blind eye to it as you say it, while still supporting their actions and mindless slaughtering of young children.

I see how why some people were getting on me about the Iraq war, and my support of it. Because its the exact same situation. I kept speaking out about the sad atrocities that our troops were accidentally commiting, killing Iraqi's, while still supporting the war. Except in this situation, you have a group that is INTENTIONALLY killing civilians, children, etc.

And you say you don't condone it, yet you don't do anything to stop it. You just shake your fist in the air and yell your praise at their resistance fighting, putting on a shallow facade about your detestment of their tactics to kill innocents on purpose.

A reasonable person would seek to STOP a group like this... remove them from power, and instead support another group that has the same goals, without the same god awful tactics that it seeks to use to kill children. You should not support Hamas, but rather take steps to voice your desire to remove them from power... and THEN support a group that ONLY targets Israeli military forces.

Otherwise, its hard to believe you really are sick of their 'tactics' to kill innocents, if you don't do anything to stop it except for a mumbled discontent. Its like its something you see as a necessary evil to further progress, because you obviously still support them despite of it. Something i'm not going to continue to do with the war in Iraq.

 

[JNightshade]

We all just need to understand that the whole middle east situation can not be distilled into a right vs. wrong sort of thing. It's just far too complex. Which is why Solaris so often comes off as sounding loony- he makes Israel out to be the clear-cut bad guy, which just isn't the case.

 

[Bob_Marley]

They're purposefully targetting young children, and other innocent civilians to get their point across. How you can even support them is amazing.

The IRA targeted innocent civilians to get their point across. But in the eyes of the Americans they're "freedom fighters" not the terrorists they clearly are.

 

[Raziaar]

The IRA targeted innocent civilians to get their point across. But in the eyes of the Americans they're "freedom fighters" not the terrorists they clearly are.

And you speak for all Americans? I don't think the IRA are freedom fighters. I don't even know too much about the IRA, except that they are the Irish Republican Army and are generally viewed as extremist militant group.

 

[Voodoo_Chile]

And you speak for all Americans? I don't think the IRA are freedom fighters. I don't even know too much about the IRA, except that they are the Irish Republican Army and are generally viewed as extremist militant group.

Basically yeah.

there was a time in the '20's where they were true freedom fighters with the backing of 90% of the Irish on the Island but well lets just say that once we got independence what they wanted and what they were willing to do to get it, Wasnt what the Irish people wanted.

 

[Bob_Marley]

And you speak for all Americans? I don't think the IRA are freedom fighters. I don't even know too much about the IRA, except that they are the Irish Republican Army and are generally viewed as extremist militant group.

Who supplied the weapons in the troubles? US citizens. Who Funded them during the troubles? US citizens. Who forced negotiations with them, inspite of their "we do not negosiate with terrorists" policy? The US govenment. Who insisted that we release IRA prisoners in the late 90's and early 2000's, even after the war on terrorism had started? The US govenment.

To say that many, if not the majority of US citizens see the troubles through rose-tinted specticals is rather an understatement.

 

[Raziaar]

Who supplied the weapons in the troubles? US citizens. Who Funded them during the troubles? US citizens. Who forced negotiations with them, inspite of their "we do not negosiate with terrorists" policy? The US govenment. Who insisted that we release IRA prisoners in the late 90's and early 2000's, even after the war on terrorism had started? The US govenment.

To say that many, if not the majority of US citizens see the troubles through rose-tinted specticals is rather an understatement.

I don't know about any of that stuff. I'm not really too involved in Uk politics, so you can hardly blame any of that on me as an american citizen.

 

[Solaris]

They did and I support them, I don't support the modern IRA, but they were a force that demanded negociation.

 

[ríomhaire]

If they think they'll get it then they're complete fools.

 

[dream431ca]

I still say were on the verge of WWIII...no joke either.

EDIT: I know people think that Palestine and Isreal will get into a huge fight...but if that happens, the USA will get into it because Isreal is one of their best allies. After that it's gonna all go to hell.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

The IRA targeted innocent civilians to get their point across. But in the eyes of the Americans they're "freedom fighters" not the terrorists they clearly are.

The idea that spawned the IRA was just, but the IRA itself no. Anyone who has done terrorism from it should be destroyed- terrorism is terrorism.

I can understand that struggle for a free Ireland though. But keep it political, you murder people and you deserve to die when located. They're not even justified bombing soldiers. Only if they were attacked first. IE: Spark of the American Revolutionary War, assemble in the public common and British troops order a disperse, then open fire. If THAT happened, it'd be different, but it hasn't- murder is murder.

We all just need to understand that the whole middle east situation can not be distilled into a right vs. wrong sort of thing. It's just far too complex. Which is why Solaris so often comes off as sounding loony- he makes Israel out to be the clear-cut bad guy, which just isn't the case.

No. There are no variables to right and wrong. Intentionally blowing up cafes and roller discos murdering scores of innocent people is wrong. Intentionally kidnapping and shooting to death a civillian from his car as he's exitting the Gaza Strip because he's Jewish/Israeli is wrong. There are no variables to that- it's just wrong and those who do it must face the consequences.

EDIT: I know people think that Palestine and Isreal will get into a huge fight...but if that happens, the USA will get into it because Isreal is one of their best allies. After that it's gonna all go to hell.

There is no Palestinian official military, Israel already has been fighting the current rulers of Palestine for YEARS. On the military side of things, I highly doubt they require any assistance, they've got that covered.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Who supplied the weapons in the troubles? US citizens. Who Funded them during the troubles? US citizens. Who forced negotiations with them, inspite of their "we do not negosiate with terrorists" policy? The US govenment. Who insisted that we release IRA prisoners in the late 90's and early 2000's, even after the war on terrorism had started? The US govenment.

To say that many, if not the majority of US citizens see the troubles through rose-tinted specticals is rather an understatement.

What the hell? US citizens? You're telling me Joe Somebody handed the IRA weapons? Joe Somebody trained the IRA? What the hell? Have you even seen our movies? The IRA are always bad guys.

 

[OvA]

read Patriot Games if the IRA interests you