Hamas demands return of Seville, Spain

[Ome_Vince]

dude! because you didnt quote every last word of the statement!

"Get them young and a world opens"..
If they teach the kids Spain "used to be" muslim lands ( which they conquered from the Christians and held for 6-700 years ), we get another nice Israel conflict filled with Suicide bombers in spain demanding "their country" back.
Man how i love this world....

I quoted the new Jet-Li movie's phrase, with a nice smiley and added the statement to it to explain an example on how these things spawn/could spawn.

Also you didnt read the "if they teach", as in; if they teach kids spain used to be theirs, we get another israel type conflict.
Where did i say the webpage was teaching these kids?
I said "if they" as in if Hamas starts teaching kids...


So thats how you've put stuff in the wrong context.

You also forgot to note that i quoted one of your texts:

so they're using children now to get their demands heard? come on

And expanded on that: if you indoctrinate ( emphesize IF ), you can do stuff like this. CAN

 

[CptStern]

dude! because you didnt quote every last word of the statement!

I omited nothing of consequence, the tenor of the statement is still the same

I quoted the new Jet-Li movie's phrase, with a nice smiley and added the statement to it to explain an example on how these things spawn/could spawn.

Also you didnt read the "if they teach", as in; if they teach kids spain used to be theirs, we get another israel type conflict.
Where did i say the webpage was teaching these kids?
I said "if they" as in if Hamas starts teaching kids...

and how is that any different than what I said? It's still rediculous to believe that a story presented in a children's website will someday lead to a palestine like situation ..especially now after so many hundreds of years of co-existance

So thats how you've put stuff in the wrong context.

you thought I had created this thread as a hate thread against muslims ...you couldnt have possibly have taken my comments any further out of context. Btw are you going to level the same discrimination accusations at Raziaar as you did to me, or are you going to remain a hypocrite?

You also forgot to note that i quoted one of your texts:



And expanded on that: if you indoctrinate ( emphesize IF ), you can do stuff like this. CAN

so back to my point: you honestly believe a childrens website will indoctrinate children into becoming future suicide bombers against spaniards?
If children are so easily "indoctrinated" that they'll gladly throw away their lives based on the teachings of an animated character surely there'd be a lot more incidents of children falling to their deaths in the mistaken belief that they could fly


oh noes!!!1 dont look now, it's the mastermind of tommorrows suicide bombers

 

[Ome_Vince]

Are you on drugs?
Let me see if i get it right. You claim:
-I think Hamas is indoctrinating kids that spain used to be muslim territory
-I think Spain will become a next Israel.

And you get that from this sentence :

If they teach the kids Spain "used to be" muslim lands ( which they conquered from the Christians and held for 6-700 years ), we get another nice Israel conflict filled with Suicide bombers in spain demanding "their country" back.

?
Thats officially got to be the second time you pooped on yourself.

Let me explain it to you (as non-native english speaker) in english with a nice juicy example:
Example:
If Elvis performs tonight, he will become more famous then anybody else

Stern's logic: Vince claims Elvis will perform tonight and will become more famous than everybody else.

So in your English, if i say "IF they teach kids", i am saying "they are teaching kids"?

And thats excluding everything else in the post which you find "unimportant", and just, like you did, only quoting that sentance...
my god Stern your getting more and more crazy..

 

[CptStern]

Are you on drugs?
Let me see if i get it right. You claim:
-I think Hamas is indoctrinating kids that spain used to be muslim territory
-I think Spain will become a next Israel.

And you get that from this sentence :

?
Thats officially got to be the second time you pooped on yourself.

Let me explain it to you (as non-native english speaker) in english with a nice juicy example:
Example:
If Elvis performs tonight, he will become more famous then anybody else

Stern's logic: Vince claims Elvis will perform tonight and will become more famous than everybody else.

So in your English, if i say "IF they teach kids", i am saying "they are teaching kids"?

And thats excluding everything else in the post which you find "unimportant", and just, like you did, only quoting that sentance...
my god Stern your getting more and more crazy..

dance around the issue all you want but you cannot escape the fact that you posted this:

"If they teach the kids Spain "used to be" muslim lands ( which they conquered from the Christians and held for 6-700 years ), we get another nice Israel conflict filled with Suicide bombers in spain demanding "their country" back."

let's break it down shalll we?:

"If they teach the kids Spain "used to be" muslim lands" ...which according to the article they are

then you write:

"we get another nice Israel conflict filled "


"if" is the condition here (which you argue has been met), therefore by virtue of arguing the case as fact you give weight to your statement that another israel will be the result

lets summarize:

"if"= condition, the condition is met by the article itself which is what you are implying

therefore the likely outcome is (in your POV):

"we get another nice Israel conflict filled"


so again you're implying that "if" they teach kids spain rightfully belongs to muslims then it will lead to an israel-like conflict



split hairs all you want but you cant avoid the fact that any person would draw the same conclusion from your post


btw it hasnt escaped my notice that there are some questions you're not willing to answer, some I've asked numerous times

 

[Ome_Vince]

draw the same conclusion from your post

There you have it, you assume to much.... Generalising and assumtions are your trademark. Its not called dancing, its called reality. You basically admit here you "Assumed" i meant that. I clearly indicated several things you assumed which are total bs.

"If" implicates a condition. The condition is not a statement. This is what your mixing up.
I do believe that IF you indoctrinate kids systematically, you can get them to do alot of sick stuff. The proof is allready out there. So in spain it could be, IF they get indoctrinated.
If it can happen in other places in the world, it can happen in spain to IF they get indoctrinated ( gotta repeat the IF so stern will notice ).

You havent answered my question as to how my "if they indoctrinate kids" means that im saying/claiming they indoctrinate kids?

 

[CptStern]

There you have it, you assume to much.... Generalising and assumtions are your trademark. Its not called dancing, its called reality. You basically admit here you "Assumed" i meant that. I clearly indicated several things you assumed which are total bs.

"If" implicates a condition. The condition is not a statement. This is what your mixing up.
I do believe that IF you indoctrinate kids systematically, you can get them to do alot of sick stuff. The proof is allready out there. So in spain it could be, IF they get indoctrinated.
If it can happen in other places in the world, it can happen in spain to IF they get indoctrinated ( gotta repeat the IF so stern will notice ).

You havent answered my question as to how my "if they indoctrinate kids" means that im saying/claiming they indoctrinate kids?

what the hell else could you mean? the problem here is that you dont understand the meaning behind the majority of what I say

indoctrination

n : teaching someone to accept doctrines uncritically

"if" isnt even called into question here because the original article claims kids are being taught (indoctrinated) that spain rightfully belongs to muslims ..your "if" is completely meaningless and shouldnt have been included in your original statement because the "if" condition has already been met according to the article ..so either you dont understand what I'm saying or you didnt understand the original article

k can we stop splitting hairs and move on? you said what you said, you implied what you implied, there's no escaping it



again, I'm not leaving this alone:

that said, I'm guessing you'll now ask Raziaar these questions:

"why are you making a pointless topic about some random children's page about Hamas claiming they want Spain back?
Its such a meeningless thing, that its an insult to the political forum.
Are you trying to spawn hatred vs islam? For loads of negative anti-islamic comments followed"


or are you a hypocrite and only ask those question because you thought I started the thread?

 

[Ome_Vince]

lol what?
So the article claims kids are being indoctrinated, so thats now my statement when i posted "if"????
You've got a whole bunch of "implies" in your post, which is basically your "assumptions"..
What the hell else could i mean? I think i just stated that 25 times.
"If kids get indoctrinated spain was theirs, we could have another israel"

The fact that i quoted your post about indoctrinating kids, and expanded on that with the nice IF doesnt matter in your logic?
Stern, its amazing what kind of corners your taking while you allready know you assumed something that was bs.

-You assumed i was using the article as a base to "assume" kids were being indoctrinated. While i made no reference to the article, and my sentance clearly focusses on "if they are being indoctrinate". You also forget to mention i quoted your post about "using children to..".
Its without doubt my post was aimed at "if you indoctrinate kids, this can happen".

-You also assumed i was stating Spain will be a future Israel and i based that on a kids page. I said if this, then that can happen (with no reference to the topic/site, with a quote to YOUR post).
You just failed to read/understand what was said.

So you made a few assumptions from 1 sentance and all are bs assumptions which nobody else seemed to make but you.
You are the one that misread, and your the one who's spawning these pointless, endless pages of attacks at me. My advice is, next time you attempt to attack one of my posts to spawn another flamefest, make sure your 100% sure of your case, and your not drawing your conclusions based on bs.

And sure, i'd love to move on, this thread has been succesfully killed, and we're the only ones even viewing/posting in it...

 

[MiccyNarc]

And sure, i'd love to move on, this thread has been succesfully killed, and we're the only ones even viewing/posting in it...

*eats popcorn*
Oh no by all means keep going, this is fun to watch.

 

[CptStern]

lol what?
So the article claims kids are being indoctrinated, so thats now my statement when i posted "if"????
You've got a whole bunch of "implies" in your post, which is basically your "assumptions"..
What the hell else could i mean? I think i just stated that 25 times.
"If kids get indoctrinated spain was theirs, we could have another israel"

The fact that i quoted your post about indoctrinating kids, and expanded on that with the nice IF doesnt matter in your logic?
Stern, its amazing what kind of corners your taking while you allready know you assumed something that was bs.

-You assumed i was using the article as a base to "assume" kids were being indoctrinated. While i made no reference to the article, and my sentance clearly focusses on "if they are being indoctrinate". You also forget to mention i quoted your post about "using children to..".
Its without doubt my post was aimed at "if you indoctrinate kids, this can happen".

-You also assumed i was stating Spain will be a future Israel and i based that on a kids page. I said if this, then that can happen (with no reference to the topic/site, with a quote to YOUR post).
You just failed to read/understand what was said.

So you made a few assumptions from 1 sentance and all are bs assumptions which nobody else seemed to make but you.
You are the one that misread, and your the one who's spawning these pointless, endless pages of attacks at me. My advice is, next time you attempt to attack one of my posts to spawn another flamefest, make sure your 100% sure of your case, and your not drawing your conclusions based on bs.

And sure, i'd love to move on, this thread has been succesfully killed, and we're the only ones even viewing/posting in it...

what a complete waste of time, you cant follow simple logic ...there are NO assumptions, it's simple LOGIC ..try wrapping that around your head and look at it logically

a + b must equal c

but it's obvious you dont understand my point that the "if" condition has already been met when you continue to post statements like this:


"-You also assumed i was stating Spain will be a future Israel and i based that on a kids page. I said if this, then that can happen (with no reference to the topic/site, with a quote to YOUR post)"

re-read what i posted



see this is how debating works ..I present an Idea, you try to refute that idea by using facts to crumble away at my argument, I make a rebuttal and I either concede or I bring new information to support my original statement .....you cant even do that


the problem here is that you made an ass of yourself a number of times and you're continually backpeddling making it far worse ..you couldnt even be bothered to follow through on your statement that I was discriminating against muslims when it was in fact someone else ... you're a hypocrite

 

[Ome_Vince]

lol ? I made an ass out of myself? Awesome logic you got there.
Let me explain it:

If A happens, then B can happen...

C = if a then b could happen.
you can twist all you want, but you screwed up there dude.
I didnt in any case say/imply : A happened or is happening.
I also didnt say/imply B happened or is happening.

You present an idea? How about presenting assumptions? I made a post, you assumed and attacked, thats it. I knew i would have to quote your stuff so here's a nice list of your first few posts with explanation.

you got all that from a children's website ...which you read in arabic?

You assume i "got all that" from a children's website while i made no reference to it. My post clearly focusses on if you indoctrinate kids, what can happen.

your suggestion that spain will turn out to be another isreal is beyond rediculous; especially since it's based on a single artlcle unsubstantiated by even a shred of proof. The moops arent planning to retake spain, no matter how much idiotic proof you people like to present from right wing rags

You think im suggestion spain WILL turn out to be another Israel + your assuming im using the website as "proof"..

yet you've provided nothing to co-relate seville with israel ..so your comparison was completely meaningless

Your assuming im co-relating/comparing seville with Israel. Clearly didnt get my post.

muslims have lived in spain since the middle ages ..yet you're implying that a children's website will lead to a jihad on spain, now?

Your assuming im basing it off a children's website as proof + im implying that it will happen/is in the works.

for to suggest this notion that spain is somehow headed for a palestine like war with muslims borders on the rediculously retarded

Same thing, you think im posting spain will turn out to become another Israel-palestinian conflict.

yes, this is a waste of time, and no matter how much twisting and turning you do, you've made a fool out of yourself in 2 threads, and your emotional posts confirm youre frustration.

The cool part is, you throw assumptions on logic. If thats so then they need to fire whoever taught you such logic bs.

 

[CptStern]

oh dear god, it's like talking to a wall ..why is it so hard to understand that there is no "IF"? is there a word you dont understand or is it too abstract for you to grasp? I can dumb down my language if that will help

they're already teaching it, therefore there is NO "if" ...very very simple concept

heh I will admit that it's pretty funny that you're so delusional, that you have such a high sense of self esteem that you cant even admit that:

a. you've made glaring errors and unwarrented accusations which proved that you didnt read the majority of what was posted ..on several occasions ...even when I pointed it out, in the very next post you said exactly the same thing
b. you dont seem to understand simple logic
c. you spend far too much time back peddling a point that a any other person would have long ago conceded
d. you're a hypocrite

 

[Ome_Vince]

hahahahhahahahahhahahahahahha
Cool, you keep believing that. Obviously shoving your own stupid assumptions in your face doesnt work, since you'll just stick your head in the ground and deny it.
The only stupidness i really feel now, is that i was stupid enough to put so much time into this, while obviously your the "wall" here.
Twist and turn what you want stern, i dont care anymore and regret that i ever did.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

You're both walls.

HATEHATEHATE

-Angry Lawyer

 

[CptStern]

hahahahhahahahahhahahahahahha
Cool, you keep believing that. Obviously shoving your own stupid assumptions in your face doesnt work, since you'll just stick your head in the ground and deny it.
The only stupidness i really feel now, is that i was stupid enough to put so much time into this, while obviously your the "wall" here.
Twist and turn what you want stern, i dont care anymore and regret that i ever did.

hehe, :upstare: deny that you were the cause of your own undoing, doesnt make a lick of difference to me as it's plain for all to see ...but I have learned something of our little one sided exchange ...whenever your back is up to the wall, you'll fight tooth and nail to deny any wrong doing no matter if that particular choice makes you look like a fool in the process. In the future dont waste my time as you dont know how to effectively debate an issue because you're incapable of understanding simple logic and for the life of you, wont concede a point even when it's painfully (almost embarassingly so) obvious you're wrong. You sir will never best me in a debate because you dont know the first thing about proper debating techniques ..you're all talk no substance and a hypocrite to boot

 

[Sulkdodds]

This is true lunacy!

Can you two just sum up your arguments for the rest of us? I'm not sure what they are at all, or why you're even arguing. In fact, niether of you are arguing at all anymore. You're just hurling shit at each other and making statements like "you're a hypocrite" with no backup and no link to whatever the **** you were even talking about.

 

[CptStern]

This is true lunacy!

Can you two just sum up your arguments for the rest of us? I'm not sure what they are at all, or why you're even arguing. In fact, niether of you are arguing at all anymore. You're just hurling shit at each other and making statements like "you're a hypocrite" with no backup and no link to whatever the **** you were even talking about.

well to be honest, you really should read the thread from the beginning to fully understand the arguments presented ..I cant faithfully break down all the arguments in a few short sentences without either injecting bias into it (I'm right he's wrong end of story :E ) or misrepresenting what was said ...it's actuually a good read; at one point he accuses me of being racist for starting this thread that he believes is anti-muslim all the while oblivious to the fact that I didnt start this thread ..by all means read from the beginning, if you can get past the temper flare ups it's actually quite amusing and entertaining, and if you look closely enough you'll actually see where I broke his brain

 

[Sulkdodds]

Okay, so now I've read everything. wtfmate.

1. Ome makes an admittedly silly but perhaps not entirely unfounded suggestion that Spain 'could' become another Israel. Idle speculation.
2. Stern jumps in with FULL ON HOSTILITY pointing out the stupidity which is, in his opinion, inherent in Ome's statement.
3. Ome responds like a bit of an arse.
4. Stern responds like a bit of an arse.
5. Flame war continues with - honestly - both sides being completely ridiculous - until it's not even about the original argument anymore.

 

[Ome_Vince]

o yeah i do think you should read from the beginning. Then you could see how Stern manipulates what i said, and turns an "if muslims indoctrinate kids, this can happen" into : "vince said hamas will indoctrinate kids with this website and spain will be the next israel".

I strongly urge you to read his first response to my post, and you can immediatly read 2-3 total bs assumptions in there.
My only screw-up was the brief moment i thought he started the topic.
This seems to be CptStern's only hold of the situation.
"you see, you thought i started the thread, so now your also claiming hamas is indoctrinating kids and your using this page as proof".

Also note, that after that ( if you look at the replies ), i immediatly explain to CptStern what my motives in the post were, and that we both were on the same level.
Yet CptStern keeps pushing on the argument like a true fanatic, thinking he knows what i meant/said better than i do.
Its totally hilarious. Unfortunatly for me, i get sucked into his madness, and make an error on thinking he started the thread.

I seriously suggest a moderator close this thread, and if CptStern wants, he can have the last say. Im allready ashamed i let myself get pulled into his lunacy.

 

[Sulkdodds]

My god, you're both insane.

Stern, I wouldn't go so far as to say it's unlike you but you really are going a bit crazy here. Not to mention this whole mess started in a thread where you claimed that Christians are, generally speaking, 'against civil rights' or something...which is not true and is exactly the kind of generalisation usually used by the kind of bastards/idiot you like so much to argue with.

For the record, I think Stern was right to draw attention to the fact that it's a less-than-credible source, while Ome was merely suggesting that future troubles MIGHT be in store for spain.

But that's so not the point anymore is it? I like how you both kept demanding facts of eachother...while completely blowing anything and everything out of proportion.

 

[CptStern]

oh but you forgot the part where he called me a racist for creating this thread or where he repeatedly shows how little he's read of both my posts and the article on the very first page


oh and the hostility is warrented because as I proved from page one that the source of the article is a children's website and that the title of the thread is not only completely misleading but it alludes to something which just isnt true ...you can see the effect the title had in the first few posts (it's evident they didnt actually read the article)


and it is the original argument as I never deviated from my initial observations ..sure I added a few more but my point from the very beginning remained intact

My god, you're both insane.

Stern, I wouldn't go so far as to say it's unlike you but you really are going a bit crazy here. Not to mention this whole mess started in a thread where you claimed that Christians are, generally speaking, 'against civil rights' or something...which is not true and is exactly the kind of generalisation usually used by the kind of bastards/idiot you like so much to argue with.

this had nothing to do with that thread, and it wasnt a generalization. He came to his conclusion by jumping to conclusions because it was obvious he didnt read the original article in the first place and was just jumping the gun so as to be first to jump all over my back

For the record, I think Stern was right to draw attention to the fact that it's a less-than-credible source, while Ome was merely suggesting that future troubles MIGHT be in store for spain.

yes but you're missing the point, I agree that there is a chance there may be future problems for spain, but I'm arguing that this article on a children's website isnt the problem and it wont lead to a palestine-like conflict as he suggested

But that's so not the point anymore is it? I like how you both kept demanding facts of eachother...while completely blowing anything and everything out of proportion.

I dont think I am in the case, I've been patient from the very beginning asking him to quantify his original assessment and I've been met with charges that I'm a "fanatic" or that I'm "racist" when none of those things were even remotely warrented because to even the dimmest of onlookers I was clearly dismissing the article due to lack of evidence or credibility

 

[No1_sonuk]

Actually, Vince, because of the way English works, your statement could be interpreted either way. This is mainly because you didn't qualify the statement.

Stern's interpretation is actually the most common when no qualification is given. Your Elvis example doesn't help you because the prior knowledge that Elvis is dead (or went home if you believe MiB) qualifies your statement, and indicates the correct interpretation.

In the instance under debate, the qualifying information is not certain, and commonly meant interpretation of statements of that kind is the one Stern chose.

 

[CptStern]

yes thank you ..that was my initial point but I seem to be too verbose most of the time

 

[Ome_Vince]

omg stern... Do you actually believe that?
All people have to do is read the first few posts of the discussion.
Allow me to summerize:
Post(ome): "if muslims indoctrinate kids, then this can happen"
Post(stern): "blablabla assuming i said spain will be the next israel and hamas is indoctrinating kids using the webpage as proof"
Post(ome): (a little tipped off at Stern's hostile approach) Stern: this is what i meant and you saw it wrong
post(stern): any proof to backup your statement that spain will become israel, your an idiot blabla flame ( ignoring my explanation...)
post(vincent): your putting the comment in a wrong context, this is what i think and what i said/meant so lets drop this debate..

This repeats 3-4 times in which Stern ignores my explanation on the comment and continues to hammer on his own twisted version of what he thinks i meant.

I keep explaning to him what i meant/actually said with the comment, and how he's twisted it to project something else, ignoring even the "if" in the sentance and other things in the post.

This leads me to believe its just a personal matter to Stern. He's still angry at his dumb outbursts in the religion topic, and thought he saw a chance to "take revenge". His hostile approach and ignoring of explanations to drag this on proves it.

Now seeing he holds no case on that initial assumption he drags onto a new matter, the mistake i made thinking he started the topic...
So thats the new flamefest now in which Stern wants to focus all attention on. Your motives are so obvious Stern...

 

[Sulkdodds]

This thread has turned into Israel/Palestine. Both of you refuse to just DROP IT and start again free of all the crap you've been wading through. Half the time your arguments are completely divorced from the original problem because it's just a constant cycle of revenge and retaliation. And here I am, trying to help the peace process, but I'm just going to get shot or something.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :vader:
Alright, I'm not being entirely serious. But still!

 

[CptStern]

yes but at least we stayed on topic ..the irael palestine comparison was ome_vince's; my initial point was ignored due to his failure to grasp the thread's topic and from there it just snowballed into a hair-splitting point by point blow on why he was wrong :E

the bottom line:


the topic title is misleading and inaccurate
the source of the topic is right-wing propaganda site that is known for reactionism
the main contention of this thread was that spain is in danger from fundamentalism when the original poster failed to mention that his assessment came from a children's website


oh and ome_vince it's ticked not tipped

 

[K e r b e r o s]

btw The Spain Herald is a propaganda mouth piece of right wing Partido Popular which pays them to write periodic articles criticising the left leaning government of Zapatero who incidentily threw them out of office in the last election

Everythings a conservative mouth piece with you CptStern, and your the one getting blown.

 

[CptStern]

Everythings a right wing mouth piece CptStern, and your the one getting blown.

the Spain herald is a self-admitted propaganda site working for Partido Popular, unless you'd like to prove otherwise, which you wont so in essence you've done nothing for this thread except up it's post count, thanks for your input

 

[K e r b e r o s]

CptStern, I think everyone tire's of your boring rhetoric about, "Mouth piece this, and mouth piece that". Can't you afford to think of anything different then Orwellian Prophecies?

 

[Ome_Vince]

yes but at least we stayed on topic ..the irael palestine comparison was ome_vince's; my initial point was ignored due to his failure to grasp the thread's topic and from there it just snowballed into a hair-splitting point by point blow on why he was wrong :E

the bottom line:


the topic title is misleading and inaccurate
the source of the topic is right-wing propaganda site that is known for reactionism
the main contention of this thread was that spain is in danger from fundamentalism when the original poster failed to mention that his assessment came from a children's website


oh and ome_vince it's ticked not tipped

You know, if you mis-interpret a post, or i wasnt clear enough-> thats ok, no big deal, i follow up and explain what i meant. But when you draw 3 total bs assumptions from 1 sentence which was put in the "if" form, then it starts to get crazy.
But even that, ok lets forget that for a second, gibbering about if you assumptions were just or not, the main issue after that is:
you completely ignore my explanation on what i meant and continue battering on what you thought i said/meant.
I explained about 3-4 times, and even said thinigs like :"look stern we're on the same page i dont think they will do that as do you, this debate is pointless".
You completely ignore all my explanations on what i meant/said.
Assume what you like, even that little aspect proves you've got a hidden agenda. Its not about the sentance, its never been about that so called "statement". Your emotional hostile response gives it away....

But you know, all this doesnt matter. I'd like to suggest we just ignore each other from now on, unless there's actually something important to debate...

 

[Sulkdodds]

Kerberos, it is a mouthpiece. Ain't nothing changes that fact.

 

[CptStern]

oooh there's this awesome commercial I saw today that illustrates that perfectly sulky ..let me find some place to host it ..it's hilarious


ome_vince: I'm not listening!! /me plugs ears and speaks loudly


edit: here's the video


kerberos: ....ummm wha?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

What other mouth pieces can you think of besides the ones too easy to justify?

How about yourself?
How about me?

We are all the mouthpieces of Rhetoric and Systems, and how anyone could ignore that fact finds itself with this one reason: Responsibility. No one wants to take it, but everyone wants to deliver it.

And Stern, a perfect example!

ome_vince: I'm not listening!! /me plugs ears and speaks loudly

 

[Raziaar]

Give it a rest guys. And stern, Children can be indoctrinated like that at a young age. How do you think many radical terrorists come to be? Strictly after being an adult?

How about constant bombardment with propoganda that seeks to instill hate in them against the rest of the world. The sources vary, but they all have an impact, including this. Children are GULLIBLE, and easily influenced my friend.


[sarcasm]You of all people should know that, since you're using that known fact to influence your son into the political mindset you yourself share.[/sarcasm]


By the way, that last comment was a joke. So don't get all offended.

 

[CptStern]

Give it a rest guys. And stern, Children can be indoctrinated like that at a young age. How do you think many radical terrorists come to be? Strictly after being an adult?

believing something and strapping yourself full of explosives for your ideals are 2 completely diferent things

raziaar anyway you slice it you would have an extremely hard time proving a children's website would lead to the annexation of Andalucia

How about constant bombardment with propoganda that seeks to instill hate in them against the rest of the world. The sources vary, but they all have an impact, including this. Children are GULLIBLE, and easily influenced my friend.

please to even suggest a cartoon will influence a generation of suicide bombers is completely absurd and naive

[sarcasm]You of all people should know that, since you're using that known fact to influence your son into the political mindset you yourself share.[/sarcasm]


By the way, that last comment was a joke. So don't get all offended.

influencing my son? he's 2 years old, his biggest concern is whether or not he successfully avoids his father at bathtime

 

[Raziaar]

believing something and strapping yourself full of explosives for your ideals are 2 completely diferent things

raziaar anyway you slice it you would have an extremely hard time proving a children's website would lead to the annexation of Andalucia

Did I ever SAY that though? I said that these morons, Hamas... keeps stepping up and going through more and more radical accusations, demands, etc.

You can't POSSIBLY begin to defend them when you know this is the EXACT kind of stupidly radical and extremist thing they'd say publically over all the airwaves. Only they haven't, in this case.

 

[CptStern]

so what does that have to do with sevilla? seriously what does this have to with sevilla unless you're suggesting that a childrens website will negatively influence children to become future suicide bombers? ...you really shouldnt have used Sevilla to fuel your hate for Hamas because it's just not warrented in this case

 

[Ome_Vince]

Exactly Raziaar. Indoctrinating kids to blow themselves up in a later stage of life is possible and proven time and time again. Its even fun to see how certain grown-ups can get indoctrinated and do the same.

 

[CptStern]

:upstare: here we go again


there's no reasoning with you people ffs ..look my parents are spaniards, my cousins are spaniards, my aunt lives in Sevilla, I think they're a far better judge than you as to the rise in muslim extremism ..and believe it or not it's JUST as prevelant as in any other country ..along with the other usual religious fanatics like Pat Robertson

..get this through your thick skulls ..this isnt going to happen ..because it ****ing ABSURD to believe a children's program has that much influence

 

[Ome_Vince]

amazing how me nor Raziaar claim this childrens website will cause this, nor that this will actually happen in Spain...
All we claim is that indoctrination in general is possible and its effects are proven...

 

[MiccyNarc]

There are alot of pots and kettles in this thread all accusing each other of being black.


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