Hamas demands return of Seville, Spain

[clarky003]

 

[Solaris]

I still say were on the verge of WWIII...no joke either.

EDIT: I know people think that Palestine and Isreal will get into a huge fight...but if that happens, the USA will get into it because Isreal is one of their best allies. After that it's gonna all go to hell.

Ah what will Palestinine fight with? Sticks and stones?

Huge fight my ass. Isreal have and could easyilly crush Palestine.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Why do all these Hamas topics spawn. Getting the same debates over and over.
Now its back to "hamas is evil, or hamas are freedom fighters".
Which is the same discussion there was 4 threads ago.

-Hamas target civilians on purpose and dispite what you might read on "hippy.com", Israel doesnt.
-Hamas goal is destruction and anihilation of Israel. Sounds to me like not a very legitimate goal.. Why must all Israeli's die? or be robbed of where they were born, and have lived for thousands and thousands of years....
The only thing thats changed, is a government/religion change ( formerly jews were under muslim law, now they have their own law ).
-Hamas indoctrinates young children to blow themselves up, robbing them of a future. Hamas uses funding for weapons instead of building the country -> they're bad for their own country. You like Palestinians, and REALLY feel sympathy for them, then pray Hamas has a short term and the damage is little..
-Hamas has been labelled by the UN as a terrorist organisation. So not some Bush or Blair, the UN...

 

[Solaris]

-Hamas target civilians on purpose and dispite what you might read on "hippy.com", Israel doesnt.

Amnesty International Beg to Differ

 

[Ome_Vince]

yeah, thats hippy.com...
Amnesty does good work, but in Guerilla warfare in which a nation is "fighing" against armed civilians there is alot to be said, and alot of "dirty" stuff.
Geneva convention clearly states you shall not target civilians, and it must always be clear, the line between soldier and civilian, which means thy shall not dress up like a civie and shoot, for then you endanger civilians.
Hamas just blew an amazing 2/2 in illegalness...
Also, there are 2 things to remember:
-What benifates does israel have targetting civies other than pissing of the world and getting its funding and support removed?
-And pissing of the entire Arab world?

Even so, if there ( and there probably were ) some Israeli soldiers that deliberatly shot a kid, those are called incidents... Israel as a county, the IDF does not deliberatly target civilians.
Go to : http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/homepage.asp?clr=1&sl=EN&id=-8888&force=1
And tell me where it says : "we shoot little kids to defeat palestinians".

You so worked up about how palestinians "see israelis" as they only see soldiers, how about the Israeli's? All they want is the right to live, and ALL their neighbouring countries wants them dead...
Even better, organised suicide organisations for years blow up your population.
Man its amazing Israel isnt commiting genocide, for thats what most countries turn to when hated..

 

[Solaris]

They don't target them, but there willing to kill a hundred of them if theres a chance they will kill one target.

 

[Ome_Vince]

And this kinda stuff makes it very hard NOT to hit kids:
http://rutcor***tgers.edu/~bisrael/Palestinians-4.jpg

^^^ See this picture where the gunmen are hiding amongst kids.
You snipe those out of the crowd and you deserve a snipers badge.

 

[Solaris]

Maybe the kids crowded round the gunmen?

 

[Beerdude26]

Maybe the kids crowded round the gunmen?

Duh, they're not trying to get themselves killed you now

In short:
Israel is crazy. They're crazy ****ers with nukes and they're going MAD not being able to use them on EVERYTHING.
Palestina is less crazy. They get completely pwnt by Israel for no discernable reason. So they get Hamas.
Hamas is just as crazy as the Israeli government. They're bitch-ass fascists that love to kill people that aren't considered as their own. But their own people aren't that important to them either, it seems. All they cry out is "WAR WAR WAR WAR GIVE US BACK OUR HOLY LAND OMGWTF". Some crazy assholes with guns start randomy attacking Israeli people while telling the kiddies to "DESTROY TEH INFIDELS". The Israeli forces are all like "OMFGWTFBBQ" and start shooting everywhere (as they're used to).

Summary: We need some large exploshens on the governments and some smaller ones on all those racist, fascist pigs that think killing people for their religion and convinctions.

Anyway this was my monthly post in Politics bbye

 

[Ome_Vince]

Maybe the kids crowded round the gunmen?

hehe, you think so? Kids running towards gunmen, masked gunmen?
I dont know if you know, but civilians ( and especially kids ) run away from warfare not towards it!
Dude this is guerilla tactics. The reason this kind of warfare exists is because the international media is the most powerfull tool.
Vietnam kinda exposed how powerfull media is, and this is what they're taking advantage of.
They know shot civilians = international hatred vs Israel + attention to the palestinian cause.
Same thing what all guerillawarfare is based on: generating anarchy and bad publicity so the homeland will pull them back. Mixed up with terrorist organisations and
Its also logical these tactics are used, since the Palestinians dont have an army, this is all they can do...
Also, whatever you might think of Israel, they're not parading dead women and children that were blown up in front of camera's. They have more respect for the dead. The palestinians are all to eager to show you shot kids...
Parading shot kids in crowds and showing them to the press, makes me sick!
How little respect can you have for the dead...
Combine that with the fact that Hamas straps kids up with bombs, and i doubt they even care about the palestinian population. All they care about is territory and religion, not life...

 

[CptStern]

"Get them young and a world opens"..
If they teach the kids Spain "used to be" muslim lands ( which they conquered from the Christians and held for 6-700 years ), we get another nice Israel conflict filled with Suicide bombers in spain demanding "their country" back.
Man how i love this world....

you got all that from a children's website ...which you read in arabic?

your suggestion that spain will turn out to be another isreal is beyond rediculous; especially since it's based on a single artlcle unsubstantiated by even a shred of proof. The moops arent planning to retake spain, no matter how much idiotic proof you people like to present from right wing rags :upstare:

 

[Ome_Vince]

CptStern, I was only refering to how "this land was my land" is often the spawning pools of "Israel" type of conflicts.
Judging by your hostile post, you've got alot of frustration cropped up. I suggest you relax a little and take a nice deep breath.
I dont feel like going into another semi-flamewar with a fanatic.
And judging your hostile post, your fishing for one.

Considering your probably not a teenager, i suggest you learn how to at least act like a civilized person without attacking people.

I never said they/anybody was planning on retaking Spain.
I basically made a referance on how spain could turn out to be another "this land was our land" conflict. Nothing more. How if you teach kids this stuff young enough, they will act when they grow up.
Once again your assumptions let you down.

 

[No1_sonuk]

They argue once a Muslim ruled land, it must always be muslim ruled and in the end must return under their control. This is the same thought process driving Hamas wanting the eradication of the state of Israel.

Well considering the Jews were on the land that became Palestine before Islam existed, it shows just how stupid Hamas are when they try the "We were here first" argument.

 

[Bob_Marley]

Firstly, let me make this clear. I think that Hamas are very much a bunch of religious, extremeist nut cases. The use absolutly horrific tactics (straping a bomb to a kid's chest and having him blow up a bus or something) and target civilians.

The Isrealis are also a bunch of nut cases. They use equily horrific tactics (taking out a whole city block with many women and children with an airstirke, because there was a good probubility that the leader of Hamas was inside) but they dont, deliberatly target civillians (offically. Theres still been no UN inquirey into what happened in Genin. It was blocked by the US). And you have to remember that it was less than 60 years ago that the founders of Isreal were terrorists (infact, they are credited with the first use of a letter bomb.). And they had similar targets then to what Hamas have now.

Personally I dont think we'll be seeing any peace in Palestine, save for temporary cease fires, until both sides can elect reasonable govenments open to negosiation. But That seems a long way off.

What the hell? US citizens? You're telling me Joe Somebody handed the IRA weapons? Joe Somebody trained the IRA? What the hell? Have you even seen our movies? The IRA are always bad guys.

Yep, regular US citizens bought up semi and fully automatic weapons and shipped them to NI. The most famous weapon that was sent was the infamous AR-18 "widowmaker" assault rifle. Interestingly, most AR-18's sold in the US were made by Sterling Armaments in the UK. They also sent many handguns and SMG's. Also, US citizens provided funding for the IRA to buy other weapons on the black market.

 

[CptStern]

CptStern, I was only refering to how "this land was my land" is often the spawning pools of "Israel" type of conflicts.

yet you've provided nothing to co-relate seville with israel ..so your comparison was completely meaningless

Judging by your hostile post, you've got alot of frustration cropped up. I suggest you relax a little and take a nice deep breath.

:upstare: once again when you're proven wrong you resort "you're a fanatic" ..reveals your inability to make a valid point that in any way contributes to the topic at hand

I dont feel like going into another semi-flamewar with a fanatic.
And judging your hostile post, your fishing for one.

Considering your probably not a teenager, i suggest you learn how to at least act like a civilized person without attacking people.

blahblahblahblah ..more verbal diarrhea

I never said they/anybody was planning on retaking Spain.
I basically made a referance on how spain could turn out to be another "this land was our land" conflict. Nothing more. How if you teach kids this stuff young enough, they will act when they grow up.
Once again your assumptions let you down.

muslims have lived in spain since the middle ages ..yet you're implying that a children's website will lead to a jihad on spain, now? after centuries of peaceful co-existance with spaniards they're going to rise up and take seville because some cartoon character told them to) ..that's not only stretching the most flimsiest of arguments but that's not even debatable, for to suggest this notion that spain is somehow headed for a palestine like war with muslims borders on the rediculously retarded

 

[Some_God]

Since Hamas is now a ruling government, doesn't that mean that Israel can formally declare war on them?

 

[Ome_Vince]

yet you've provided nothing to co-relate seville with israel ..so your comparison was completely meaningless
:upstare: once again when you're proven wrong you resort "you're a fanatic" ..reveals your inability to make a valid point that in any way contributes to the topic at hand

blahblahblahblah ..more verbal diarrhea

muslims have lived in spain since the middle ages ..yet you're implying that a children's website will lead to a jihad on spain, now? after centuries of peaceful co-existance with spaniards they're going to rise up and take seville because some cartoon character told them to) ..that's not only stretching the most flimsiest of arguments but that's not even debatable, for to suggest this notion that spain is somehow headed for a palestine like war with muslims borders on the rediculously retarded

hehe, your a funny guy.
I did not imply a thing. You quote something i posted and take it right out of proportion. I have an idea why your doing that, but its not worth my time.
Now your focussing on that because of some personal frustration vs me, because your generalisational, and discriminating comments in the religion thread made you crap all over yourself in public.
Now, let me put it this way:

-I do not think muslims are going to demand Spain back, or hinting to it. Your taking the post completely out of its context.
-So we both agree they will not do it, so there is no discussion right?
-So you can leave your personal frustrations out of this thread before you ruin yet another thread.

You want do have a debate, learn to talk like a man.
You want to discuss indoctrination of kids? or about something we both agree on but which you like putting in a different context?
If not, and you dont want a serious debate, then please make usefull posts and dont talk to me.

Ontopic:
Hamas will keep trying to find things to smeer at the west, to keep its public focussed on a mutual enemy, so people dont see the crap Hamas is bringing.
If so, Hamas can just blame it on the west.

 

[No1_sonuk]

Since Hamas is now a ruling government, doesn't that mean that Israel can formally declare war on them?

I suppose it does. You can bet it's an option they're considering, too.
Technically, the next attack claimed by Hamas could be considered as an act of war committed by the Palestinian government against Israel, and given Hamas' previous statements, Israel would be justified in declaring war.
The government of Palestine would then become a legitimate target.
The interpretation of the Geneva Convention then changes. Israel would be obligated to attempt to minimise civillian casualties, but has no obligation to avoid them entirely.

 

[jerkasaur]

Israel is crazy. They're crazy ****ers with nukes and they're going MAD not being able to use them on EVERYTHING.

QFT
if you want my opinion in short, i don't even think isreal deserves to be a country.
kthnxbai

 

[No1_sonuk]

if you want my opinion in short, i don't even think isreal deserves to be a country.

Yeah, that much is obvious. And given the actions of Hamas "in the name of the palestinian people", neither does Palestine.

 

[Bob_Marley]

Yeah, that much is obvious. And given the actions of Hamas "in the name of the palestinian people", neither does Palestine.

Bring back the British Mandate! (j/k)

On a serious note it seems that we're going to be stuck with a pair of Psycotic govenments with links to terroist organisations (past or present) for the forseeable...

 

[CptStern]

CptStern, I was only refering to how "this land was my land" is often the spawning pools of "Israel" type of conflicts.

you suggested spain could turn into palestine, I pointed out it's an absurd and naive assessment considering your proof comes from a childrens website

Judging by your hostile post, you've got alot of frustration cropped up. I suggest you relax a little and take a nice deep breath.

heh, you give yourself waaaay too much credit, your posts barely cause me to bat an eyelash ..you have a pretty vivid imagination ..full of delusions of grandeur and a slight persecution complex

I dont feel like going into another semi-flamewar with a fanatic.

there's that fanatic thing again ...

"..reveals your inability to make a valid point that in any way contributes to the topic at hand"

how true stern, how true

And judging your hostile post, your fishing for one.

ha, that's rich, you troll

Considering your probably not a teenager, i suggest you learn how to at least act like a civilized person without attacking people.

cry me a river ..again either debate FACTS or stay out of it, opinion is meaningless

I never said they/anybody was planning on retaking Spain.
I basically made a referance on how spain could turn out to be another "this land was our land" conflict. Nothing more.

so in other words they'd like to fight the spaniards because at one point they claim it was their land, but if they manage to drive out the spaniards, they wont take the line because as you suggested they dont want it ...?

nice try at attempting circular logic to prove my point, which you did, thanks

How if you teach kids this stuff young enough, they will act when they grow up.

yet none of what you say has happened in the hundreds of years of peaceful co-existance ...yet for some strange reason this cartoon will somehow mobalize an entire generation of muskims to hate spaniards? ....do you have any idea how ludicrous that sounds?

Once again your assumptions let you down.

assumpitons? you mean my assertation that you havent successfully argued your point and instead resort to nitpicking perceived personal attacks in a vain attempt at regaining some measure of humility I took away by making you appear the fool ...okaaaay whatever you say

 

[gick]

I'm sick to death of people defending Israeli or Palestinian governments. If you think that religious fanatics who indoctrinate their kids into slaughtering dozens of teenagers in a disco are 'freedom fighters' opposing 'murdering occupiers' then you clearly have pretty ****ed up morals, as well as being a hypocrite.

Likewise, if you take the side of a country that dispaced millions of people from their homes because it said so in a holy book, and then continue to take their side when they engage in expansionist activities abroad, while flattening homes and schools with bulldozers just to get a couple of suspected militants, then the same criticism goes for you, you stupid, heartless ****.

 

[MiccyNarc]

muslims have lived in spain since the middle ages ..yet you're implying that a children's website will lead to a jihad on spain, now? after centuries of peaceful co-existance with spaniards they're going to rise up and take seville because some cartoon character told them to)

Normally that would seem laughable, but consider what a few Danish cartoons started.

 

[No1_sonuk]

Likewise, if you take the side of a country that dispaced millions of people from their homes because it said so in a holy book

Erm, I think you'll find that the terrorists use the holy book defense to justify their actions too. Though from what I understand, their particular interpretation of the relevant part of the Koran (SP?) is questionable.

 

[Solaris]

Erm, I think you'll find that the terrorists use the holy book defense to justify their actions too. Though from what I understand, their particular interpretation of the relevant part of the Koran (SP?) is questionable.

Saying the other side is worse, is not a valid argument.

 

[Ome_Vince]

CptStern

you suggested spain could turn into palestine, I pointed out it's an absurd and naive assessment considering your proof comes from a childrens website

I did not, you just took the post way out of its proportion for your own personal screwed up way.

heh, you give yourself waaaay too much credit, your posts barely cause me to bat an eyelash ..you have a pretty vivid imagination ..full of delusions of grandeur and a slight persecution complex

hehe, i expected something like this. "granduer" blabla. Trying to "play the crowd", in your little frustration. If my posts meen so little that you wont bat an eyelash, then why are you so emotional in all your posts?

there's that fanatic thing again ...

"..reveals your inability to make a valid point that in any way contributes to the topic at hand"

how true stern, how true

Really? You start a topic with a childrens page? Thats a serious topic man! lol. The post was just as meaningless as your topic. If its so insignificant why make an entire topic about it?
Are you trying to drive up the anti-muslim hatred? Why post it in the political thread? You wanted a political debate about how a childrens site would do what? With such a stupid thread, you can expect meaningless posts. Check all the replies made in this thread, most arent credible. Yet my only non-credible post, which was meant as an example on how some people can/would try to generate "issues" using historical facts, like the NSDAP and their whole Aryan race bs drives you to a fanatical rage!.

ha, that's rich, you troll

Your so sweet. Shows your true character.

cry me a river ..again either debate FACTS or stay out of it, opinion is meaningless

Fun coming from a guy like YOU who generalises, discriminates and assumes so much its getting funny.
Assumption is what you do best, even when reading other people's posts.

so in other words they'd like to fight the spaniards because at one point they claim it was their land, but if they manage to drive out the spaniards, they wont take the line because as you suggested they dont want it ...?

nice try at attempting circular logic to prove my point, which you did, thanks

Hehe i'd suspect you keep hammering on this. I allready stated in all my posts i dont think the moors are going to claim lands, yet you fail to read and understand what its about.
Reading and understanding is hard these days for certain people....

yet none of what you say has happened in the hundreds of years of peaceful co-existance ...yet for some strange reason this cartoon will somehow mobalize an entire generation of muskims to hate spaniards? ....do you have any idea how ludicrous that sounds?

Yes, hence i stated about lots of times thats not what im saying. Nice try btw
You want to have a 25 page discussion on bs and how much we "dislike" each other or have an actual debate? Its either that or just dont talk to me.

assumpitons? you mean my assertation that you havent successfully argued your point and instead resort to nitpicking perceived personal attacks in a vain attempt at regaining some measure of humility I took away by making you appear the fool ...okaaaay whatever you say

hehe, making me look like a fool? Nah i think your fanatic behavior does the job for you more than enough.
I do in some sense make a fool out of myself because im allowing to get myself drawn into this frustration of yours.
I know the religion topic still bugs you or you wouldnt be so emotional about it. If i see dumb remarks i post a reply. You seem to dislike that and are now fishing through something i posted, taking it out of proportion and then claiming a case.
Human psyche is so funny, i knew you would be hamering on this trying to reverse the mess you made in the religion topic.

This "cry of frustration" your aiming at me only proves the point that your so worked up about it, that you'de fish through multiple pages looking for my posts, so 3 pages later you can comment on it, and attack me.
Nice! but extremely sad too...


So, you want to talk FACTS? Lets talk FACTS or dont talk at all.
Im sick of this flaming and insulting, either get a life or talk like a man.
O, and Congrats! you've succesfully raped another thread!

 

[No1_sonuk]

Saying the other side is worse, is not a valid argument.

I that's what you believe, why did you try to do it yourself?

 

[Solaris]

I that's what you believe, why did you try to do it yourself?

I didn't, I was merely higlighting what Palestine is up against.

 

[No1_sonuk]

I didn't, I was merely higlighting what Palestine is up against.

Conversely, I was merely pointing out that the terrorists are acting on what they believe is written in their book.

 

[Last One In]

Gosh, you guys are all so friggin smart. You all know exactly what is going on in the muslum world in all your splended wisdom and grand thought processes. You know exactly what it is like in Israel and Palastine, having to wake up every morning not knowing whether or not you will die. You know exactly what it is like to practice Islam zelously and defend it's principles. In truth, very few of you have any idea how it is over there, nor do I. If you really want to do something instead of having these pointless, frustrating arguments, why don't you move over there and see for yourself what it's like.

 

[Raziaar]

Well considering the Jews were on the land that became Palestine before Islam existed, it shows just how stupid Hamas are when they try the "We were here first" argument.

With this logic that is in use right now, in 600-800 years, the united states will be defended by CptStern, Solaris and the likes if the Native Americans try to reclaim it in a situation similiar to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Whereas muslims weren't the first occupiers, but were the most recent/longest occupiers.

If only I could live for another 800 years to see if this sort of equal mentality takes place, like it is now... or if Israel is just getting unfairly picked on BECAUSE it is israel.

 

[Solaris]

I wouldn't defend the USA from the Natives! If I could choose I'd make the cheiftens co-presidents.

 

[Raziaar]

I wouldn't defend the USA from the Natives! If I could choose I'd make the cheiftens co-presidents.

So you wouldn't follow your same logic you are now? That Muslims ruled the land of Israel for the longest period of time in recent history, even though the Jewish people were there long before Islam was a religion? The first people there in comparison with Muslims?

I find that kind of hypocritical, even as a hypothetical.



Besides. Its a what if, and clearly you stated your hypocritical position. But... I support Native Americans because I have great sympathy for them. I've got Sioux blood in me.

 

[Ome_Vince]

People forget that when Israel was formed in 1948, the areas that were Israel = mainly Jewish cities and areas.
There are 2 aspects in this problem:
-heritage of the land ( who's land is it.. )
-The "new land" israel took/conquered

Problem 1 is basically jews were there first. Before it was Israel, those were jewish areas, before the islam existed they were jewish areas, and now today they are still jewish areas. In general, all thats happened, is just like with China-Taiwan, is a part of the country changed/formed a new country.

Problem 2 is Israeli's conquered more lands from Palestinians and other surrounding countries during the many wars. Now taking the Europe example if you attack and lose->you lose country. Usually this is "given back" after a long period of time, but sometimes like in Germany's case, its lost forever.
These lands should be given back as a gesture of peace ( thats my opinion btw ).

I personally think that its a religious aspect. Since those areas were always jewish ( even before islam and christianity ), and simply changed form. I think it has something to do with "these lands were controlled by Islam", and we want it "back" vs zionists who want control the holy land.

 

[CptStern]

CptStern


I did not, you just took the post way out of its proportion for your own personal screwed up way.

you mean you didnt post this:

If they teach the kids Spain "used to be" muslim lands ( which they conquered from the Christians and held for 6-700 years ), we get another nice Israel conflict filled with Suicide bombers in spain demanding "their country" back.

again ..."you suggested spain could turn into palestine, I pointed out it's an absurd and naive assessment considering your proof comes from a childrens website "

you're trying to backpeddle plain and simple

hehe, i expected something like this. "granduer" blabla. Trying to "play the crowd", in your little frustration.

? ...what does that even mean?

If my posts meen so little that you wont bat an eyelash, then why are you so emotional in all your posts?

emotional? I've often been accused of being emotionless ...seriously you give yourself too much credit, I just dont like stupidity when I hear it, nothing more

Really? You start a topic with a childrens page? Thats a serious topic man! lol. The post was just as meaningless as your topic. If its so insignificant why make an entire topic about it?
Are you trying to drive up the anti-muslim hatred? Why post it in the political thread? You wanted a political debate about how a childrens site would do what? With such a stupid thread, you can expect meaningless posts. Check all the replies made in this thread, most arent credible. Yet my only non-credible post, which was meant as an example on how some people can/would try to generate "issues" using historical facts, like the NSDAP and their whole Aryan race bs drives you to a fanatical rage!.

...? holy shit you're really made an ass of yourself that time ...look again, I didnt start this thread, Raziaar did ..I dont have to make you look like a fool, you do well enough yourself

Your so sweet. Shows your true character.

umm you're the one who made a statement that when you were cornered into justifying it using either logic or facts turned to using words like "fanatic" so as to downplay that your assertation that this "childrens" website will lead to a holy war ..but it's a little too late as you're not fooling anyone

Fun coming from a guy like YOU who generalises, discriminates and assumes so much its getting funny.
Assumption is what you do best, even when reading other people's posts.

I've brought facts to this discussion ...you? what have you contributed? opinion that cant in any way be substantiated? naive speculation based on nothing more than "gut feeling"?

Hehe i'd suspect you keep hammering on this. I allready stated in all my posts i dont think the moors are going to claim lands, yet you fail to read and understand what its about.

so in other words, you didnt post this ..some other person named Ome_Vince did

If they teach the kids Spain "used to be" muslim lands ( which they conquered from the Christians and held for 6-700 years ), we get another nice Israel conflict filled with Suicide bombers in spain demanding "their country" back.

Yes, hence i stated about lots of times thats not what im saying. Nice try btw

how else can this be interpreted?

If they teach the kids Spain "used to be" muslim lands ( which they conquered from the Christians and held for 6-700 years ), we get another nice Israel conflict filled with Suicide bombers in spain demanding "their country" back.

"If they teach the kids Spain "used to be" muslim lands ( which they conquered from the Christians and held for 6-700 years ), we get another nice Israel conflict filled with happy Suicide bombers in spain asking "their country" back in a rather nice way."

You want to have a 25 page discussion on bs and how much we "dislike" each other or have an actual debate? Its either that or just dont talk to me.

nice try, I've attempted on numerous occasions to engage you in debate over this issue, but you're too busy backpeddling and send up smoke screens in the form of personal attacks in a vain attempt at glossing over the fact that you made an erroneous statement that's based on rediculous premise

hehe, making me look like a fool? Nah i think your fanatic behavior does the job for you more than enough.
I do in some sense make a fool out of myself because im allowing to get myself drawn into this frustration of yours.
I know the religion topic still bugs you or you wouldnt be so emotional about it. If i see dumb remarks i post a reply. You seem to dislike that and are now fishing through something i posted, taking it out of proportion and then claiming a case.
Human psyche is so funny, i knew you would be hamering on this trying to reverse the mess you made in the religion topic.

This "cry of frustration" your aiming at me only proves the point that your so worked up about it, that you'de fish through multiple pages looking for my posts, so 3 pages later you can comment on it, and attack me.
Nice! but extremely sad too...

boy that was rather embarrassing, flowery language isnt your forte, it doesnt make you sound intelligent in fact it does the opposite

So, you want to talk FACTS? Lets talk FACTS or dont talk at all.
Im sick of this flaming and insulting, either get a life or talk like a man.
O, and Congrats! you've succesfully raped another thread!

ok lets stick to facts ..ok where's your facts to back this up:

If they teach the kids Spain "used to be" muslim lands ( which they conquered from the Christians and held for 6-700 years ), we get another nice Israel conflict filled with Suicide bombers in spain demanding "their country" back.

remember, FACTS ome_vince ....I'm waiting

 

[Ome_Vince]

ah CptStern, you strategically forgot to add the "" smiley to the text. your a funny man, and i know what your trying to do.
Nice move your attempting, but im not falling for it dude. I dont even want to repeat what i've been saying in the last posts. You keep thinking what you want. I dont think muslims will claim spain, i've allready explained what i think, and your turning this into something that fits your vision. You want to discuss this? I allready stated what i think 4-5 times.
You go ahead and keep thinking i think the moors will claim spain, LOL, while the rest of the world moves on..

I just dont like stupidity when I hear it, nothing more

Maybe thats how this whole "dislike" thing started , for when i saw your generalising discriminating arguments turning into a fanatic's praise, my responses must have hurt your feelings, hence your sad attempt to return the favor.
I know fanatics dont like to be argued with, hence you got hostile and started insulting, which is what your doing now too.

You havent answered my question: why are you making a pointless topic about some random children's page about Hamas claiming they want Spain back?
Its such a meeningless thing, that its an insult to the political forum.
Are you trying to spawn hatred vs islam? For loads of negative anti-islamic comments followed.

Also, its actually funny, im seeing similarities between you and a terrorist.
What your doing is trying to poke me with your useless long and idiotic posts, insulting me etc, hoping ill make a mistake or whatever and flame.
Hammering on something, putting it out of its context, in your wild attempt to get me frustrated, and other forum members to "share your vision".
Ah well, you can do what you want, keep quoting certain lines and playing around with them.
You want a discussion with actual FACTS, im waiting. In the meenwhile, keep spamming that sentence in a wrong context and hope people will like you.

 

[CptStern]

ah CptStern, you strategically forgot to add the "" smiley to the text. your a funny man, and i know what your trying to do.
Nice move your attempting, but im not falling for it dude. I dont even want to repeat what i've been saying in the last posts. You keep thinking what you want. I dont think muslims will claim spain, i've allready explained what i think, and your turning this into something that fits your vision. You want to discuss this? I allready stated what i think 4-5 times.
You go ahead and keep thinking i think the moors will claim spain, LOL, while the rest of the world moves on..


Maybe thats how this whole "dislike" thing started , for when i saw your generalising discriminating arguments turning into a fanatic's praise, my responses must have hurt your feelings, hence your sad attempt to return the favor.
I know fanatics dont like to be argued with, hence you got hostile and started insulting, which is what your doing now too.

You havent answered my question: why are you making a pointless topic about some random children's page about Hamas claiming they want Spain back?
Its such a meeningless thing, that its an insult to the political forum.
Are you trying to spawn hatred vs islam? For loads of negative anti-islamic comments followed.

Also, its actually funny, im seeing similarities between you and a terrorist.
What your doing is trying to poke me with your useless long and idiotic posts, insulting me etc, hoping ill make a mistake or whatever and flame.
Hammering on something, putting it out of its context, in your wild attempt to get me frustrated, and other forum members to "share your vision".
Ah well, you can do what you want, keep quoting certain lines and playing around with them.
You want a discussion with actual FACTS, im waiting. In the meenwhile, keep spamming that sentence in a wrong context and hope people will like you.

for the last time sherlock I DIDNT START THIS THREAD jeez could you have made it any clearer that you dont read what I post?

 

[Ome_Vince]

lol, just saw that. Ah well a little screw-up there.
I do actually read what you post, and i unlike you dont put things out of context.
I could easily ( just like you did ) take this sentance:

so they're using children now to get their demands heard?

And post that all over the place.

 

[CptStern]

lol, just saw that. Ah well a little screw-up there.
I do actually read what you post, and i unlike you dont put things out of context.

read the entire thread from start to finish (skip your own posts) and then get back to me

I could easily ( just like you did ) take this sentance:



And post that all over the place.

so you didnt say this?

"If they teach the kids Spain "used to be" muslim lands ( which they conquered from the Christians and held for 6-700 years ), we get another nice Israel conflict filled with Suicide bombers in spain demanding "their country" back"


how is that out of context when I quoted every last word of your statement?




that said, I'm guessing you'll now ask Raziaar these questions:

"why are you making a pointless topic about some random children's page about Hamas claiming they want Spain back?
Its such a meeningless thing, that its an insult to the political forum.
Are you trying to spawn hatred vs islam? For loads of negative anti-islamic comments followed"





or are you a hypocrite and only ask those question because you thought I started the thread?