Heath Ledger (joker) is dead

[Absinthe]

Nope, I don't give a shit about everybody equally. I think it's just stupid for people to be pissing and moaning about a guy they didn't even know. They knew his name, and they enjoyed him in films he portrayed another personality. So in essence, you have no true idea who HE is, you just miss the fact that he is in movies. So you really don't miss him, you miss his acting, which somebody will fill his gap in no time. So really, no point in pissing and moaning about it, might as well just be thankful someone else has a chance to fill his shoes! kind of like, spring cleaning of the celebrity crew.

I was really only arguing about the Stalin quote. :|

I'm petty.

 

[Vegeta897]

How noble of you, Pitz. Did you just come in here to show everyone how high and mighty you were?

You can say you care about all deaths equally, but can you show it? Because if it doesn't even mean anything, why even bother.

We're not going to make a mourning thread for every single person that dies, obviously. We'd be spending the rest of our lives mourning. This thread was made because a person many people knew had died. This person was also an actor that will be missed. I don't know what this "replaced" nonsense you're talking about is... I think you just mean people will get over it, as with any death. That's kind of obvious. I don't think anyone's going to "replace" him so to speak. Nobody could replace someone like Walken, for example.

 

[CyberPitz]

How noble of you, Pitz. Did you just come in here to show everyone how high and mighty you were?

You can say you care about all deaths equally, but can you show it? Because if it doesn't even mean anything, why even bother.

I just hate when people are hypocritical about how a bunch of people dying is a statistic, but when you look at 1 person, calling it a tragedy. The narrow scope of the whole idea in this thread is amazing, when people try their hardest to look like they to make an excuse for them morning a person they have not a single connection to in the real world.

And high and mighty? Why do you feel the need to try to make the other person into a bad guy because he's "Acting high and mighty" when he's just trying to throw some logic into the situation. But, whatever makes you feel like you're more important and better than me, veggie.

 

[Vegeta897]

You're talking nonsense. What is hypocritical about this? Are you picking random words to slam it? It absolutely is true in most situations. That's why it's such a famous quote.

I don't see at all how I'm trying to act more important and better than you. I'm calling out your position in this thread. Explain yourself.

 

[Shamrock]

*snip*

*snap*

Both of you are assholes. Heath Ledger was awesome, but was there really a need for a tribute thread for him?

By the way, did I mention you two are assholes?

Play nice **** heads.

 

[CyberPitz]

I never said I'm being "high and mighty" i'm just ssying it's rediculous to raise one guy up and claim his death as a tragedy, while the rest of the people who died are just a "meh, who cares". It's that mentality that everybody bitches about how this world is going to hell in a hand basket, then just keep up the same thought process as they always have. Hell, why do people feel the need that believe that an actor/ress is more important than everybody else, and feels that if they die, they gotta give a shit, and leave the rest of the world as a statistic?

And veggie, you always try to throw thoughts into peoples head, trying to make yourself the "better" person in threads, always belittling people. It's really embarrassing of you.

 

[Shamrock]

I brought the popcorn and beer! I know, I spoil you guys.

But anyway, Who else is going to watch this cat fight with me!?

 

[CyberPitz]

I brought the popcorn and beer! I know, I spoil you guys.

But anyway, Who else is going to watch this cat fight with me!?

Nah, that was my last reply to him about this subject. If he wants to continue, I'm sure he'll PM me, but I'm pretty sure we're both done, unless he's replying now.

I'm still waiting for an intelligent answer as to why he's more important then the rest of the people besides that worthless quote.

 

[Vegeta897]

You didn't answer me. How am I belittling anyone? That's what you appear to be doing, if you ask me. You come in here scolding everyone for being sad that a great actor has died, and ask everyone why they aren't feeling said for the rest of the deaths in the world, and flaunting yourself as the guy who cares for all deaths equally.

All I did was point this out. I fail to see how I'm placing myself in any kind of high position. I'm asking you to explain why you think I'm belittling you. Either post it or PM it. This isn't over until you do that. This is you throwing out accusations without any explanation or written reasoning.

Shamrock, we don't need you to dramatize this into some huge debate.

 

[joule]

Nope, I don't give a shit about everybody equally. I think it's just stupid for people to be pissing and moaning about a guy they didn't even know. They knew his name, and they enjoyed him in films he portrayed another personality. So in essence, you have no true idea who HE is, you just miss the fact that he is in movies. So you really don't miss him, you miss his acting, which somebody will fill his gap in no time. So really, no point in pissing and moaning about it, might as well just be thankful someone else has a chance to fill his shoes! kind of like, spring cleaning of the celebrity crew.

How crude. This is tragic for many in this topic because we admire the man's work and love the art of film. It is tragic because a 2 year old little girl will not know her father. I do not need to know someone when I can see a clear tragic loss for someone's family, a child, and millions of people who admire his work. It's sad because this is someone I think was really talented, and it's a shame we won't have the opportunity to see what else he could have done.

 

[Vass]

shit joule I was writing some of the same stuff you just posted

 

[Asknoone]

CyberPitz I think you're wrong and I think your point is a crude one. I also don't want to know why you think Vegeta is belitting people, and Vegeta I don't want you to draw this out into something it doesn't need to be. If you want to claw each other try pms.

Shamrock doesn't abuse the word filter. It's against the rules.

 

[CyberPitz]

I'm not saying it's stupid for you to morn him, just quit acting like he's the most important thing that happened that day. I understand his family is going to alone, but that argument is held on the rest of the people. You guys are trying to rationalize the thought that he's more important than the rest of the people that died when you use a quote that was meant to describe a genocide, which is appalling to the thought. I was just hoping one of you would say something a long the lines of "Yeah, he died, which is sad, as it's sad the rest of the people died..."maybe instead of just making a 'tribute' to the great and awesome human being by the name of Heath Ledger, maybe just make a news thread. The whole "tribute" thing is just over the top. My point is crude, and may sound cold hearted, but I'm not wrong in holding his death at the same level as everyone else's.

 

[Eejit]

You're completely misunderstanding that quote Cyber.
It's not saying that one person's death is more important than a million, but that in our perception it seems more important since a number that high can't be easily comprehended in the same way.

 

[Absinthe]

I never said I'm being "high and mighty" i'm just ssying it's rediculous to raise one guy up and claim his death as a tragedy, while the rest of the people who died are just a "meh, who cares".

You are taking the quote far too literally. Nobody is saying that death on a large scale isn't a tragedy. It's just easier to make an emotional attachment with an identifiable individual. Remember when I said that the deaths of many often don't resonate as strongly, even if you know it's objectively worse? This is because its human characteristics - the very things one generally requires for empathy - are ultimately diluted down to a number. A thousand dead people don't have a collective face or personality. They may not even have the same circumstances of death. The gravity of their demises is spread across so many people that some of its gravity is inevitably lost. Unless you have some graphic imagery accompanying it, severe moral outrage is hard to muster up. It's actually quite difficult for most people to comprehend death on such a large scale.

The singular death of one person doesn't have its weight dispersed like that. And celebrities are embedded into public consciousness, so it shouldn't be any mystery as to why some people do feel sad about it. If one of my favorite actors or musicians kicked the bucket, I'd certainly feel down about it. More than I ever would about uranium-mutated babies in the Middle East. And for a lot of people, it was the end of his short life and promising career - the whole spectacle of it - that made Ledger's death a tragedy. Are you saying it wasn't?

Also, what Eejit said.

 

[CyberPitz]

You are taking the quote far too literally. Nobody is saying that death on a large scale isn't a tragedy. It's just easier to make an emotional attachment with an identifiable individual. Remember when I said that the deaths of many often don't resonate as strongly, even if you know it's objectively worse? This is because its human characteristics - the very things one generally requires for empathy - are ultimately diluted down to a number. A thousand dead people don't have a collective face or personality. They may not even have the same circumstances of death. The gravity of their demises is spread across so many people that some of its gravity is inevitably lost. Unless you have some graphic imagery accompanying it, severe moral outrage is hard to muster up. It's actually quite difficult for most people to comprehend death on such a large scale.

The singular death of one person doesn't have its weight dispersed like that. And celebrities are embedded into public consciousness, so it shouldn't be any mystery as to why some people do feel sad about it. If one of my favorite actors or musicians kicked the bucket, I'd certainly feel down about it. More than I ever would about uranium-mutated babies in the Middle East. And for a lot of people, it was the end of his short life and promising career - the whole spectacle of it - that made Ledger's death a tragedy. Are you saying it wasn't?

Also, what Eejit said.

I'm in no way saying that Heath Ledgers death wasn't a sad time for people, it just gets me when I see people making tribute threads and all sorts of praise to one guy like it was some sort of important figure to the country. I guess some people grow attachments to other figures than important ones. I guess because you saw a few movies with him in it, you feel you can emotionally attach with him. But really, I don't think anybody truly knew him in any way where they can really grow an emotional bond to an actor. I guess it all boils down to, "I just don't understand how you can feel such a great way to an actor, who's main goal is to make people believe he is somebody else, portraying a completely different personality on screen, thus you never truly know him." Yes, it's sad he died, but does one person you've never had a personal connection with deserve to be morned more than another?