Heath Ledger (joker) is dead

[CptStern]

watch me make Asuke contradict himself

Nope i will NEVER feel sorry or petty for someone who commits suicide. NEVER.

so if someone had terminal cancer that left them in agony every single waking moment of the day you wouldnt support them ending the pain by taking an overdose of pain medication? they should just stop being pussies and live in agony till they're dead?


riight

 

[Baal]

99% percent shouldn't have done it that leaves 1%

My opinion.

I was a little angry with your first suicide comments, but I can agree to this, I suppose. People with schizophrenia, bi-polar disease and other stuff mind destroying disorders sometimes just feel like they will never be happy, regardless of any outside influences. There is no other way in their opinion, and they may be right.

 

[Tyguy]

Asuka, you're an ignorant piece of shit. You dont know the emotional state of anyone else but yourself, and for you to judge a person for trying to end their suffering is just plain pathetic. Do you seriously equate money/fame with happiness too? Jesus H Christ, re-read your posts and try not to laugh at your own idiocy.

 

[Druckles]

There's nothing wrong with suicide. I see nothing wrong with it. People who clame they're "selfish", are bloody selfish bastards themselves.

To take your own life isn't an easy thing. It's not an easy decision to make, and it's not an easy thing to carry out. To fight against one's will to live and succeed means you must have some kind of reason. People who do commit suicide, don't just do it for the sake of it. They have a damned good reason.

Sure, they might be ignorant of what life could be like, or the fact that they'll remain dead, or some other reason for them committing suicide, but you can't judge them for being ignorant. It's their life, and their decision. If you feel that it's not, then you're wrong.

Any friend or family of the person who committed suicide and then says "oh, they're so selfish" should think again, because their longing for that person, and their reasons for them not to have gone are entirely selfish in themselves. Why should they stay around if it's only going to hurt them. They obviously don't feel deserved or loved, so they're obviously not doing a fucking good job of making them feel loved, and if they really did love them, then maybe they'd understand why they did them.

There is nothing wrong in the act of suicide. What might be be wrong about suicide is the situation in which the person left everyone else in. Someone committing suicide has a last responsibility to ensure as much as they can that no-one else is affected by their death. For example, it would be wrong for someone to commit suicide if they had children. Not because suicide is wrong, but because of the burden they have left on everyone else.

 

[Saltpeter]

I find it shocking that even though a suicide hasn't even been confirmed, people are paving roads of insults regarding Ledger's death.

Ledger's autopsy hasn't confirmed a clear cause of death. So first wait for all the facts, then speak your mind.

 

[CptStern]

I find it shocking that even though a suicide hasn't even been confirmed, people are paving roads of insults regarding Ledger's death.

Ledger's autopsy hasn't confirmed a clear cause of death. So first wait for all the facts, then speak your mind.

it was clearly a murder suicide heroin overdose while he was sitting on the can taking a dump while in the bath choking on his own vomit


the butler did it

 

[Skaadi]

Did you just compare me to those comments? You seriously need a mind check. Steve Irwin was a accident that was his job. It was respected what he did. He died doing what he loved that is SO VERY DIFFERENT! A OD, or a suicide is way different.



Read this post then reply again.

Why yes I did. You're certainly an idiot on the same level.

 

[Baal]

it was clearly a murder suicide heroin overdose while he was sitting on the can taking a dump while in the bath choking on his own vomit


the butler did it

That's chowder dammit, CHOWDER!

 

[CptStern]

sh-ow-dair

 

[Sedako]

Asuka, humans are not the only species where suicide is observed. It's been witnessed in a wide range of species for various causes. Some domestic animals have been known to starve themselves to death after the passing of a companion. Many wild animals also commit suicide either out of desperation, suffering, or for the benefit of of the species. Human suicide, while very complex and for different reasons, is not much different from these cases. Sure, emotion and self awareness are almost exclusive to our species and can result in the issue of morality, but many animals experience stress or similar physiological mechanisms. Above all else, a person's life is their own to do with as they please, and no one should be able to tell them any differently.

 

[Eejit]

Well, his family are calling it an accident.

 

[joule]

Autopsy reports are inconclusive. Looks like we'll be waiting a few weeks for a toxicology report to come back.

Additionally...

Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said a rolled-up $20 bill was found at the scene and sent to a lab for testing for any possible drug residue.

http://www.wnbc.com/entertainment/15113586/detail.html?dl=mainclick

 

[Vegeta897]

Oh lord.

 

[CptStern]

a single rolled up bill does not make a cocaine overdose, where's the autopsy report of burnt nostrils that is indicative of cocaine abuse, where's the mirror, razor blade, needle, coke spoon etc ..there would be coke still present in the room somewhere


oh and ..

Toxicology experts say the vast majority of $20 bills in circulation -- except for those that are brand new -- have some measurable amount of cocaine residue on them.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/....html?id=6e5ed21d-26ca-498a-a089-12a6995854c8


**** the media and their need to sensationalise these sort of things ..even if he snorted half of columbia it's no ones business

 

[Sedako]

a single rolled up bill does not make a cocaine overdose, where's the autopsy report of burnt nostrils that is indicative of cocaine abuse, where's the mirror, razor blade, needle, coke spoon etc ..there would be coke still present in the room somewhere

Exactly, a rolled up bill could be just that.. a rolled up bill.

 

[Eejit]

Exactly, a rolled up bill could be just that.. a rolled up bill.

Yeah, he probably planned on tipping the masseur.

 

[CptStern]

Exactly, a rolled up bill could be just that.. a rolled up bill.

nah he was probably doing coke ..coke is a rich mans drug

but it doesnt mean it killed him .he'd have to do quite a bit so there would be tell tale signs

 

[Darkside55]

That's chowder dammit, CHOWDER!

sh-ow-dair

 

[CptStern]

Say it, Frenchie! Say chowdah!

NEVAIRE!!!

 

[Asknoone]

Asuka you really do disgust me.

 

[-Psy-]

Asuka popularity has hit an all-time low. :|

 

[Deleted member 56031]

yeah :|

 

[Asuka]

watch me make Asuke contradict himself



so if someone had terminal cancer that left them in agony every single waking moment of the day you wouldnt support them ending the pain by taking an overdose of pain medication? they should just stop being pussies and live in agony till they're dead?


riight

As i said 1%. I don't consider that suicide. If someone is brain dead, told his family to kill him if he had no chance of getting conscious again that's not suicide. I agree with the examples you gave, someone ending his life because he CANT function any longer is different.

Depression, "i don't feel like living" any longer, my life sucks.. Cry some more. I can NEVER respect emo shit like that. Unless you are tortured for your whole life and have no way out, your just going to keep getting **** in the ass by your dad locked up in the basement then maybe go for it. But i would still try and find a way to escape the torment before doing something as drastic as Game Over. The way i see it the percentage of times i can except someone taking their own life is EXTREMELY slim.

I was a little angry with your first suicide comments, but I can agree to this, I suppose. People with schizophrenia, bi-polar disease and other stuff mind destroying disorders sometimes just feel like they will never be happy, regardless of any outside influences. There is no other way in their opinion, and they may be right.

If you have a mind destroying disease and you cant reason. This causing you to kill yourself isn't suicide. If you don't know what your doing i can except that. But if your reason is Death > Life and that's simply it, your an idiot.

Why yes I did. You're certainly an idiot on the same level.

and the reasoning? People that made fun of him had no argument. I do. Your comparing me to people who think you shouldn't live adventure or risk. I completely disagree with that thought process, life is all about risk and adventure. Life isn't about finding "the easiest way out" like suicide.

Asuka, humans are not the only species where suicide is observed. It's been witnessed in a wide range of species for various causes. Some domestic animals have been known to starve themselves to death after the passing of a companion. Many wild animals also commit suicide either out of desperation, suffering, or for the benefit of of the species. Human suicide, while very complex and for different reasons, is not much different from these cases. Sure, emotion and self awareness are almost exclusive to our species and can result in the issue of morality, but many animals experience stress or similar physiological mechanisms. Above all else, a person's life is their own to do with as they please, and no one should be able to tell them any differently.

So if animals do it, that makes it right? WTF?

Asuka you really do disgust me.

Cool.

Asuka popularity has hit an all-time low. :|

I don't care, this is the way i feel about this topic. I'm very blunt and harsh person. If a family member where to commit suicide, i will no longer respect them. I cannot justify taking ones life, even your own.

I'm surely not the only one who feels this way.

 

[Qonfused]

 

[Saltpeter]

I sense a flame war coming.






















I'm running to the mall.

 

[Seppo]

wow asuka, it's truly shocking how narrow minded you are

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

wow asuka, it's truly shocking how narrow minded you are

Sadly, it's not that shocking, lots of people think this way and it's usually because they've been mentally ill themselves and have "pulled themselves up" and apply this ideology to everyone, selfishly, as if it works for all of humanity in the same regard.

Do I completely disagree with Asuka in just about every way? Yes, is it shocking to me that he thinks this way? not even slightly. He may be in the minority on hl2.net, but certainly not overall.

 

[<RJMC>]

I only saw him on knights tale and didnt keep atention on the new batman movie

but he looked like a good joker


thats sad

 

[Ennui]

If you **** up that bad, get to that point that's your mistake. If you let depression get you down that bad. So bad that you feel hurting everyone around you is the "better" way. Or taking the one chance you have at making it better. Even if you don't have any loved ones and are feeling so low you cant move. Get off your ass and make something of the 1 life given to you.

You don't know a goddamn thing. You really, really don't. It makes me both angry and sad. Like Absinthe said, I hope you have to deal with actual chronic depression someday, or watch someone you really care about deal with it. You won't be making silly, ignorant comments like this then.

 

[Krynn72]

Asuka is about to make my ignore list. The past week or two have been the first time i ever wanted to put someone on the ignore list, and ive already got three people to put on it.

 

[Gray Fox]

IIRC I had a big fight with hl2.net about suicide. And it was because people here were calling suicides cowardly. What changed?

Asuka is about to make my ignore list. The past week or two have been the first time i ever wanted to put someone on the ignore list, and ive already got three people to put on it.

Who?

 

[Absinthe]

If you **** up that bad, get to that point that's your mistake. If you let depression get you down that bad. So bad that you feel hurting everyone around you is the "better" way. Or taking the one chance you have at making it better. Even if you don't have any loved ones and are feeling so low you cant move. Get off your ass and make something of the 1 life given to you.

You don't know a god damn thing about depression. It is a disorder. That means there is something wrong. Are you ignorant as to think that in spite of the shitty sense of self-worth and entrenched negativity somebody can feel, they should be able to make judgments of the highest clarity and lucidity?

This is not an absolvement of responsibility for people who commit suicide out of depression. Ultimately, they made their own decisions. But god damn, I cannot understand the reason for such animosity and venom for those who left the world because they felt like shit. They didn't rob or attack anybody. They weren't aggressive and offensive. They were miserable. And as much as it must suck for friends and family, hating them is a complete misuse of energy. It is a personal tragedy, and you're a twit if you can't respect that.

 

[Mirage]

I usually find that people who judge something so harshly (like depression/suicidal thoughts) are those that haven't gone through it themselves.


My theory is that the reason suicide is one of the darkest parts of human nature is BECAUSE people want to keep it in the dark through forcing shame and guilt to be associated with that term. Some people seem to treat suicide like it is a joke, and it is these people I am inclined to disrespect.

Honestly if given a choice, I'd rather respect someone who offed themselves than someone who treats suicidal thoughts with the same importance as refuse.

 

[evil^milk]

/rant

It's called being a little empathetic.

Try to recognize that not everybody can pick themselves up as easily as you, and certainly not a person with suicidal problems. Suicide is not an easy decision. To even consider it must make you think there is at least a profound reason why someone must be even thinking about it.

If neutrality is all you can muster - leave it at that, and don't even think about assuming why a person is thinking about or has committed suicide. You'll make an ass out of yourself, and not just yourself, but others as well.

 

[Sedako]

So if animals do it, that makes it right? WTF?

We ARE animals. Also, the definition of "right" differs depending on one's beliefs and morals. Just because you look down on it doesn't mean that others do. As I stated before, I am a firm believer that a person has the right to decide what to do with their life.

 

[Asuka]

oh well, i wish i can have a face to face conversation with some of you. I know that I'm coming off as a dick. But you have to understand, i hate suicide when its a choice. Not when someone has a disorder and cant reason well. I'm going to end my argument here.

 

[bam23]

Remember that we don't know if this is a suicide or OD.

If he died of a OD then i have no sympathy for him. If it was something else then ill feel bad. ****ing idiot is what im thinking now tho.

but but...

But remember until Heaths death is proven to be a OD or suicide i will not judge him..

 

[joule]

a single rolled up bill does not make a cocaine overdose, where's the autopsy report of burnt nostrils that is indicative of cocaine abuse, where's the mirror, razor blade, needle, coke spoon etc ..there would be coke still present in the room somewhere

What the hell? You don't need all of that to do coke. All you need is a flat surface and, in this case, a $20 bill. He could have smashed up some pills for all we know, or he could have done nothing of the sort. Just wait and see...

Also, if you read that article, it clearly states, "CBS 2 in NYC is reporting cops found drug packets along with the $20 bill in Ledger's apartment."

 

[Sedako]

Also, if you read that article, it clearly states, "CBS 2 in NYC is reporting cops found drug packets along with the $20 bill in Ledger's apartment."

They didn't exactly specify what the drugs were though. For all we know, it could have been some sort of medication.

 

[joule]

You're right. Sources state the packets contained an unknown substance. Final autopsy report isn't due for another 10-14 days, so we'll have to wait it out.