Heath Ledger (joker) is dead

[15357]

If your dumb enough to OD then why should i have respect or feel bad?

"Never speak ill of the dead."

Of course, overdosing on narcotics is of a somewhat... unorthodox way to die, but he's dead. He had family who loved him, friends who cared for him, and we the anonymous who now gives respect.

A death is always a tragedy, no matter who or how he dies.

Somebody blow up their congregation.

I'd do that, if I was in Kansas.

 

[The Monkey]

That's ****ed up

 

[Krynn72]

Someone told me that he was actually going insane during the shooting of the movie. Supposedly he was getting so into the character and into the joker's mindset (trying to think of what the joker would find funny etc) and even kept like a personal diary about it. Anyone hear about this?

 

[Absinthe]

It would be epic if the Joker role was what doomed him.

Sad. But epic.

 

[MJ12]

It would be epic if the Joker role was what doomed him.

Sad. But epic.

Amen to that.
Although I am sure it's just a widely stretched rumor with only 10% truth.

 

[Asknoone]

:|


Wtf?

That really does disgust me.

 

[mastag]

As Theamazingatheist said, the sad thing is, they seem to really be the only true christians.

Think about that, and why it is good for atheism.

 

[Eejit]

As Theamazingatheist said, the sad thing is, they seem to really be the only true christians.

Think about that, and why it is good for atheism.

Yeah cause all good Christians take Old Testament over things like love one another, turn the other cheek, and let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
They're ****nuts who make the average Christian look bad by association.

Can we keep the bloody theism vs atheism out of this thread please? Let's just all agree that the people picketing the funeral are intolerant turds.

 

[Skaadi]

Whoa I certainly wasn't expecting this. I mean, I was freaked out enough when Owen Wilson tried to kill himself. He was so young and full of life, I'm truly shocked.

And I hope the paparazzi have enough decency to not hound the family so much. But HA! As if..

 

[swiss]

"Never speak ill of the dead."

Of course, overdosing on narcotics is of a somewhat... unorthodox way to die, but he's dead. He had family who loved him, friends who cared for him, and we the anonymous who now gives respect.

A death is always a tragedy, no matter who or how he dies.



I'd do that, if I was in Kansas.

I dont think death is always a tragedy, hitlers death was no tragedy even if some people liked him.

 

[Jintor]

Of course, Numbers immediately follows his moving speech with a resolve to bomb people.

 

[Druckles]

It's shit like this which makes me quite intimately understand why Heath followed this course of action.

 

[Absinthe]

I doubt his death has anything to do with some kind of religious protest.

 

[Druckles]

No, I meant in general.

 

[CptStern]

If your dumb enough to OD then why should i have respect or feel bad?

you need to pick up a newspaper/watch tv/listen to newsradio:

"There were prescription pills found around the body," Lieutenant John Grimpel, of the New York Police Department, said.

"I believe they were sleeping pills."

He said the pills were in Ledger's name

 

[Deleted member 56031]

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Wtf?

That's a ****ing disgrace actually.

 

[ailevation]

RIP. I hope he managed to finish his cut in Dark Knight.

 

[joule]

RIP. I hope he managed to finish his cut in Dark Knight.

That he did. It is now in post-production

 

[Pesmerga]

Time to look for a new Joker.

 

[Asuka]

Why am I reminded of Germaine Greer's comments after Steve Irwin's death?

Asshole.

Did you just compare me to those comments? You seriously need a mind check. Steve Irwin was a accident that was his job. It was respected what he did. He died doing what he loved that is SO VERY DIFFERENT! A OD, or a suicide is way different.

It was an accident, I have no doubt it was. "Dumb" doesn't have jack shit to do with it.

...

I really wanted to post more explaining how that question and your logic fails to make any sense on any level, but I'm just so astounded that someone could think that way that I'm lost for words. Congratulations. If you really feel that way, that sense of not caring, why did you bother to post? You obviously have no emotional ties to the actor... piss off.

Read this post then reply again.

"Never speak ill of the dead."

Of course, overdosing on narcotics is of a somewhat... unorthodox way to die, but he's dead. He had family who loved him, friends who cared for him, and we the anonymous who now gives respect.

A death is always a tragedy, no matter who or how he dies.



I'd do that, if I was in Kansas.

I don't agree not all deaths should be respected. Some people just don't deserve any remorse. Now does this apply to Heath i don't know. That's why i said what i said in my first post. If the OD is in fact true THEN i feel that way, if it is not i take it back and will show my respect.

Is anyone else eerily reminded of Brandon Lee? Different circumstances, but it is somewhat reminiscent, no?

Also, Asuka, even if it wasn't an accident, how you can equate suicide to stupidity is beyond me. And if it was an accident, you are entitled to your opinion, but damned if it isn't an irrational and stupid one.

If you OD your an idiot because you mistakenly killed yourself. (Do you have any idea how funny that sounds) if you kill yourself knowingly then i will LAUGH at you. Someone who kills themselves is just wow. I'm speak less when i think of people like that. I have ZERO respect for them. You take the only life you have because of a Petty depression, how weak and stupid can you be. Id kill you just for thinking to kill yourself.

you need to pick up a newspaper/watch tv/listen to newsradio:

See if in fact he didn't OD or commit a suicide then as i said here:

If he died of a OD then i have no sympathy for him. If it was something else then ill feel bad. ****ing idiot is what I'm thinking now tho.

Because the facts were not out, i posted how i would feel in ether situation. How is that hard to understand? Why do i get flamed for it?

 

[Pesmerga]

you need to pick up a newspaper/watch tv/listen to newsradio:

How does that change the fact he overdosed? You can overdose on prescription medicine in the same way you can overdose on cocaine.

 

[Druckles]

He was filming something else at the time of his death. I cannot recall its name.

 

[joule]

He was filming something else at the time of his death. I cannot recall its name.

The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus

Edit: I'm not even going to bother arguing Asuka's nonsensical replies. I'm just not going there.

 

[Asknoone]

if you kill yourself knowingly then i will LAUGH at you. Someone who kills themselves is just wow. I'm speak less when i think of people like that. I have ZERO respect for them. You take the only life you have because of a Petty depression, how weak and stupid can you be. Id kill you just for thinking to kill yourself

You can't honestly believe that. That is quite a low if you do. "Petty depression" - what the ****. That is such an ignorant and shallow thing to say. You have absolutely no idea - not one - what goes through people's minds when they commit suicide. Do you think it's an easy decision for people to make? Do you know how they feel; what they are feeling at the time? What could drive someone to that? To the point where they feel it's their only way out?

Ditch the ignorant thinking.

 

[CrazyHarij]

guess the joke's on him! *badum-tish*

 

[brad92]

You can't honestly believe that. That is quite a low if you do. "Petty depression" - what the ****. That is such an ignorant and shallow thing to say. You have absolutely no idea - not one - what goes through people's minds when they commit suicide. Do you think it's an easy decision for people to make? Do you know how they feel; what they are feeling at the time? What could drive someone to that? To the point where they feel it's their only way out?

Ditch the ignorant thinking.

But what of his family? Did he think of those who would be hurt the most following his act? What of his child? That child will grow up knowing what his/her father did.

I understand that people feel that Suicide may be their only way out. But look, really, at the life he had. He was famous. He had money. He had more of an opportunity than most people have in a lifetime. He had a child.

And what did he do? He blew away that opportunity. He abandoned his own child. Taking your life to escape the hardships of reality and leaving your loved ones to suffer is nothing but selfishness.

 

[Cormeh]

Stop condemning him for dying. Christ's sake. You're assuming it was a suicide, just because "drug-related" has been bounced around.

 

[swiss]

But what of his family? Did he think of those who would be hurt the most following his act? What of his child? That child will grow up knowing what his/her father did.

I understand that people feel that Suicide may be their only way out. But look, really, at the life he had. He was famous. He had money. He had more of an opportunity than most people have in a lifetime. He had a child.

And what did he do? He blew away that opportunity. He abandoned his own child. Taking your life to escape the hardships of reality and leaving your loved ones to suffer is nothing but selfishness.

Sure its selfish to commit suicide, but just because you have money and are successful doesnt make it 'worse' than a poor bloke doing it.

I think its selfish to say people are idiots for wanting to kill themselves, or trying to prevent them. In the end its an autonomous decision.

 

[brad92]

Sure its selfish to commit suicide, but just because you have money and are successful doesnt make it 'worse' than a poor bloke doing it.

I think its selfish to say people are idiots for wanting to kill themselves, or trying to prevent them. In the end its an autonomous decision.

No, I didn't say it was worse. What I was saying was, unlike a great majoirty of the world's population, he had a life full of opportunities.

Why did he do it anyway? This is of course assuming he did commit suicide. Could have been an accidental overdose.

 

[joule]

No, I didn't say it was worse. What I was saying was, unlike a great majoirty of the world's population, he had a life full of opportunities.

Why did he do it anyway?

Can we actually wait for an autopsy before jumping to conclusions on whether he committed suicide or not?

 

[Xendance]

I HATE this sort of thing. An overdose likely?? River Phoenix will be my saddest celeb death probably because of his immense talent, but this is very similar. He will be missed by so so many. ;(

River Phoenix was truly awesome.

 

[brad92]

Can we actually wait for an autopsy before jumping to conclusions on whether he committed suicide or not?

I edited the post just as you sent that I think.

 

[Absinthe]

I don't agree not all deaths should be respected. Some people just don't deserve any remorse. Now does this apply to Heath i don't know. That's why i said what i said in my first post. If the OD is in fact true THEN i feel that way, if it is not i take it back and will show my respect.

I get it.

People **** up and you hate them for it.

Quite compassionate.

If you OD your an idiot because you mistakenly killed yourself. (Do you have any idea how funny that sounds) if you kill yourself knowingly then i will LAUGH at you. Someone who kills themselves is just wow. I'm speak less when i think of people like that. I have ZERO respect for them. You take the only life you have because of a Petty depression, how weak and stupid can you be. Id kill you just for thinking to kill yourself.

I'm not usually one to wish problems on people, but I hope you go through depression one day. I'm not saying that's what Ledger suffered from or that's what caused his death. But maybe one day you can feel first-hand how crippling depression can be. I mean to the point where you can't even motivate yourself to move and where you feel incapable of thinking anything positive in all your hopelessness.

Maybe you'd appreciate just how tragic human fallibility can be instead of wasting your overly-righteous hatred on people whose personal anguish has never affronted you in any way, shape, or form.

 

[Baal]

I have a confession to make guys...

I was Heath Ledger's body double in Brokeback Mountain

 

[CptStern]

How does that change the fact he overdosed? You can overdose on prescription medicine in the same way you can overdose on cocaine.

his suggestion was the he died from an overdose of opiods ignoring the fact that it could have been prescription drugs (far more common, therefore his assumption was a leap of faith) - completely different association between legal and illegal drugs

If you OD your an idiot because you mistakenly killed yourself.

i'm sorry but you're being ignorant ..accidental overdose from prescriptions drugs are far more common than od'ing on narcotics/illegal drugs - sleeping pills are not narcotics

 

[PvtRyan]

I can't help but laugh every time I see someone write "your an idiot". It's irony at its best.

 

[Asuka]

You can't honestly believe that. That is quite a low if you do. "Petty depression" - what the ****. That is such an ignorant and shallow thing to say. You have absolutely no idea - not one - what goes through people's minds when they commit suicide. Do you think it's an easy decision for people to make? Do you know how they feel; what they are feeling at the time? What could drive someone to that? To the point where they feel it's their only way out?

Ditch the ignorant thinking.

Nope i will NEVER feel sorry or petty for someone who commits suicide. NEVER.
There is absolutely no reason to kill yourself. You have ONE life you make the best of it. Most people that kill themselves are just plan out idiots. You should hear the reasoning or the "good bye" letters. Its a joke. Only if you could give a life to someone. If you don't want it give it to the child or the person who got hit by a car that didn't have a CHOICE. People who take their own life's are superb low life's and losers.

But what of his family? Did he think of those who would be hurt the most following his act? What of his child? That child will grow up knowing what his/her father did.

I understand that people feel that Suicide may be their only way out. But look, really, at the life he had. He was famous. He had money. He had more of an opportunity than most people have in a lifetime. He had a child.

And what did he do? He blew away that opportunity. He abandoned his own child. Taking your life to escape the hardships of reality and leaving your loved ones to suffer is nothing but selfishness.

I agree with 90% of the post.

I get it.

People **** up and you hate them for it.

Quite compassionate.



I'm not usually one to wish problems on people, but I hope you go through depression one day. I'm not saying that's what Ledger suffered from or that's what caused his death. But maybe one day you can feel first-hand how crippling depression can be. I mean to the point where you can't even motivate yourself to move and where you feel incapable of thinking anything positive in all your hopelessness.

Maybe you'd appreciate just how tragic human fallibility can be instead of wasting your overly-righteous hatred on people whose personal anguish has never affronted you in any way, shape, or form.

If you **** up that bad, get to that point that's your mistake. If you let depression get you down that bad. So bad that you feel hurting everyone around you is the "better" way. Or taking the one chance you have at making it better. Even if you don't have any loved ones and are feeling so low you cant move. Get off your ass and make something of the 1 life given to you.

The only time i see suicide as a good way out is if your getting tortured and have 0% of escaping, but then again that's not really suicide.

I simply cannot justify any reason for a person to take their own life. There is someone always worse off then you making the best of it. There are people that don't have a choices in life, born to be slaves and yet these "teens" or "celebs" are ODing.

Never will i feel sorry for people like that. But remember until Heaths death is proven to be a OD or suicide i will not judge him. This is funny because i really don't care much for any celeb or person aside from friends and family. This thread became more of a how i feel about the topic.

Over Dosing is bad, and really stupid but not nearly as bad as suicide. Suicide to me is like the lowest point of a human being. Aside from someone who causes pain to others.

 

[MJ12]

Nope i will NEVER feel sorry or petty for someone who commits suicide. NEVER.
There is absolutely no reason to kill yourself. You have ONE life you make the best of it. Most people that kill themselves are just plan out idiots. You should hear the reasoning or the "good bye" letters. Its a joke.

I am not condoning suicide, but you haven't been in everyone's shoes, you haven't seen the world through there eyes, or understood it as they do.
There are a lot of stupid suicides, but to completely slap that label on everyone who has ever commited a suicide is stupid of you, and flat out steriotypical.

And like I said there are a lot of stupid suicides. But I can, at the very least empathize with some of them. It's just that, simply because your life happened to be better than someone elses, or that you saw life in a different way, someone who does not see life in the same way should be shown no mercy for their mistakes? How convenient for you.

 

[Asuka]

I am not condoning suicide, but you haven't been in everyone's shoes, you haven't seen the world through there eyes, or understood it as they do.

There are a lot of stupid suicides, but to completely slap that label on everyone who has ever commited a suicide is stupid, and flat out steriotypical.

99% percent shouldn't have done it that leaves 1%

My opinion.

 

[MJ12]

There are a lot of people who shouldn't have commited suicide, especially people with the responsibilities of a wife and/or children.

But Unless you can read minds, you will never know what goes through the mind of someone else.