Homosexual families

[Walter]

omg you cant possibly be that deluded ...how old are you? please tell me this is just a big joke ..if not, you're about as brainwashed as they come


pffft choosing atheism because we want sexual freedom ..thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard ..how about not having faith because it's just a bunch of stupid stories devoid of of any facts meant to scare little children into flying straight ..what lies have they been spoonfeeding you? did you go to Jesus Camp? you must have cuz it's just not believeable in this day and age ...


/me hyperventilates





is this a problem for you? everywhere you go men are sucking off other men? cant go for a loaf of bread without seeing gays playing swallow the salami everywhere you look? are you sure you dont live in a gay porn film set or something? cuz in my more than 30 years I've never seen gay dick suckers in public ...where the hell do you live?

No, i meant that homosexuality went from secrecy to public.

And as for stories, i think YOU'VE been brainwashed.

 

[Absinthe]

Well...i'm a Christian. I don't hate homosexuals themselves, i hate homosexuality. And yes, i would dislike it a lot if all people that surround me would go pro-sodomy all of a sudden. But then again, many nations aren't that much of Christian Societies anymore, that goes especially for Western Europe. Of course, if you're an atheist, you're giving your sexual desires almost a complete freedom. It's basically choosing free sexual preference over God. That is why many, but not all homosexuals abandon faith, though i still know some God fearing ones.

And so we get to the heart of the matter. You have a religious prejudice against homosexuality. It's the only explanation seeing as how you've never come up with any other one.

Another reason why the ignorance of faith needs to be traded wholesale for rational discourse.

 

[CptStern]

No, i meant that homosexuality went from secrecy to public.

And as for stories, i think YOU'VE been brainwashed.

so ...the universe was created 6000 years ago? is that a story I've been brainwashed into not believing? or how a family put two of every single species that ever existed in a boat about half the size of a cruiseship as an example of a story I was brainwashed into not believing?

No, i meant that homosexuality went from secrecy to public.

so from sucking dick in private to sucking dick in public? where? where do you see this type of behaviour? or is it any type of homosexual behaviour like simply existing?

are you really that dense that you cant even see your own bigotry?

 

[Absinthe]

I looked out my window and I was expecting to see two men engaging in rough anal sex on the corner of the street as Walter had lead me to believe, with homosexuality being rampant and such. But I saw nothing! You think they're hiding in the bushes?

 

[Darkside55]

I figured it was religious, I just didn't want to come out and say, "It's religious reasons, isn't it?!" But I had figured as much.

Query: if God dislikes homosexuality, why do the biological creatures he created have the capacity for it? That is to say, even if you want to call the biological cause of homosexuality "bad hormones," why did God, the perfect almighty creator who formed everything from the tiniest string particles to the vast expanse of the universe code that bit of "bad hormones" into human beings? He is perfect and we are made in his image. Why do we have such capacity for sin written in our very DNA, Lord?!

 

[CptStern]

the obvious answer is that god is gay

 

[Walter]

how a family put two of every single species that ever existed in a boat about half the size of a cruiseship as an example of a story I was brainwashed into not believing?

I think every single specie living in the world of that times (considering that "the whole world" was more of a Mesopotamia, and a bit west and east from it) would fit into a boat of that size. And don't think Noah's family was that small too, it wasn't like that to have 1-3 kids back then.
And since when did the Bible write that we're here for 6000 years. As for biblical facts, most of them were considered fiction up until the last century, when they were proven(like the existence of Nebuchadnezar, Babylon(which was thought to be as much impossible to exist as Atlantis).
But enough about biblical facts, Christianity is based on belief.

 

[Absinthe]

Holy shit! He's not even the usual kind of Christian that treats Noah's ark as a fictional story! He thinks it actually existed!

"Biblical facts" lawl

Oh my, I'm getting quite off topic.

 

[CptStern]

I think every single specie living in the world of that times (considering that "the whole world" was more of a Mesopotamia, and a bit west and east from it) would fit into a boat of that size.

so you're saying that in 4000 short years a handful of species became the over a million species known to man today? that's a lot of evolutionary musical chairs in such a short period of time surely we would find abundant evidence to support such a silly claim ...can you provide some hard evidence?

And don't think Noah's family was that small too, it wasn't like that to have 1-3 kids back then.

so maybe they have 10 kids ..maybe even for the sake of argument they had 20 kids ...from 20 odd people to 6 billion in 4000 short years? that's a lot of sexual doings going on! ...not too mention that siblings having children skyrockets the chances of having genetic defects ..but a whole family of inbreeding, now that's completely feasible!!!

And since when did the Bible write that we're here for 6000 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism

As for biblical facts, most of them were considered fiction up until the last century, when they were proven

you cant see me but I'm laughing at you ..please provide evidence of anything i the bible besides locations ..duh those lands existed during the time much of it was written ..I want proof of events, like genesis, the flood etc

But enough about biblical facts, Christianity is based on belief.

you mean faith and yes I agree facts and christianity go together about as well as oil and water

 

[Stigmata]

And since when did the Bible write that we're here for 6000 years. As for biblical facts, most of them were considered fiction up until the last century, when they were proven(like the existence of Nebuchadnezar, Babylon(which was thought to be as much impossible to exist as Atlantis).

Another Christian who knows less about the Bible than many Atheists, I see.

 

[Walter]

Holy shit! He's not even the usual kind of Christian that treats Noah's ark as a fictional story! He thinks it actually existed!

"Biblical facts" lawl

Oh my, I'm getting quite off topic.

First, i said that it could have existed, but am not sure if it really did. Perhaps it's just as much a myth as Samson.

But what's so funny about Biblical facts?

 

[PvtRyan]

So, how many species of beetles were on Noah's boat, out of the 5-8 million estimated species?

 

[Walter]

Another Christian who knows less about the Bible than many Atheists, I see.

hmm?

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

I suggest that you look up the term "oxymoron" or "mutually exclusive"

 

[Walter]

So, how many species of beetles were on Noah's boat, out of the 5-8 million estimated species?

How should i know. Are there really that much species in only that part of the world? In this question i'm as much confused as you, though. People used to ask the same about Babylon: "How can you believe that people of that time were able to build such a large city, when every other wasn't even close to it's size?" In time however, we may be able to find out.
I for one don't believe that bible meant the whole world as we know it today was flooded, rather that part of the world was. However, noone knows.

EDIT: if you really want to talk about it, go make another topic .

 

[Absinthe]

But what's so funny about Biblical facts?

It's an oxymoron.

 

[Walter]

right...well, that's for you to think so.

 

[Absinthe]

It's for me to know so.

 

[The Monkey]

I've been having a good laugh over the last 20 minutes reading Walter's pathetic attempt to make himself understood.

You have ignored about a million of these questions, but I'm taking the chance none the less:
Could you please show us any evidence that supports your statements?

 

[Walter]

What do you mean, i've answered some questions. Some are just hard to explain.

 

[DaMaN]

What do you mean, i've answered some questions.

Look, he (like me) is asking for ANY evidence that supports your statements.

Some are just hard to explain.

Explanations come easy when the facts are present.

 

[Walter]

Well...some would require filming a whole life. I can't just find everything on the internet.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Or, anything that remotely backs up your viewpoint..

 

[DaMaN]

Well...some would require filming a whole life. I can't just find everything on the internet.

I've found pleny of evidence to back up my statements. Back yours up or back yours down.

 

[Walter]

hmm...can someone be so kind and list me all those questions again. I've seem to have agreed on some and not on others. lost them in the discussion and am too lazy to look .

 

[DaMaN]

hmm...can someone be so kind and list me all those questions again. I've seem to have agreed on some and not on others. lost them in the discussion and am too lazy to look .

There's only one question that seems of real import (that you have not satisfactorially answered throughout the discussion):

For the umpteenth time, would you please, for the love of (your) god and all that is sane and logical, answer this question with some sort of logical, supported, and coherent argument. (I.E. use facts and logical steps to show your answer. Saying that homosexuality "demoralizes" society because you say so isn't going to cut it. If you are using that as your argument you need to back it up with some proof, establish a base set of facts, and explain every logical step you made to get to your conclusion. Imagine you are talking to a five-year-old (like I am right now), explain it as simply but with as much detail as you can, with little, logical steps.)


So again, Walter:

"Is homosexuality harming anyone? If so, show how. Is it violating anyone's rights? If so, show how."

 

[Walter]

I don't mean physically harming of course .

But as for evidence about demoralising i have no idea how to prove that, except maybe if you look at it from the perspective of a straight person.

Is it violating anyone's rights? If so, show how."

I don't think so. Strange question really, why should it. I'm just sticking to the idea that gays can't marry each other because when same sex marriage is against the law it's not tolerated in the society. If most people would like gays to have same life ceremony straights have and call it "marriage" then go right ahead. Like you know it's not every country is against it, depends on people's culture.

 

[DaMaN]

I don't mean physically harming of course .

But as for evidence about demoralising i have no idea how to prove that

Since you have no idea how to prove it, your argument is rendered null and void. gg.

...except maybe if you look at it from the perspective of a straight person.

I AM looking at it from the perspective of a straight person. Or did you mean "biblically straight person"?

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY:
SHOW ME SOME GODDAMN PROOF WITH ONE SHRED OF LOGICAL REASONING!!!

Sorry for shouting.

 

[Ome_Vince]

@Walter, LOL, its demoralizing for a straight person to see gays? :O
You suffer from homophobia dude.
Like i said, the more gays, the more pretty women for (us) straight guys = good for moral.

 

[Darkside55]

Also, please answer my previous question.

Why would a perfect infallible creator program "bad hormones" into his favored creation? If the bible, the word of God, says that a man should not lay with another man as he does with a woman, why would God make people able to do so? Why would he make their INSTINCTS capable of doing so? If he does not accept this behavior, if his word outlaws it, then why create such hormones in the first place?

Because I cannot see any reasoning why someone who dislikes something would program their creation to do something they don't like. Please explain this to me.

 

[kirovman]

Walter, the rules are that you have to be over 13 years old to register on this site.

I hope you aren't breaking the rules...

 

[DaMaN]

Walter, the rules are that you have to be over 13 years old to register on this site.

I hope you aren't breaking the rules...

Does that include mental age?

 

[kirovman]

Hopefully...

But DaMaN.... Walter is a mental giant!

Us mere mortals are not blessed with such intellect as his. As such, we mistakenly think that everything he says is stupid, when in fact it's sheer genius!

 

[DaMaN]

Hopefully...

But DaMaN.... Walter is a mental giant!

Us mere mortals are not blessed with such intellect as his. As such, we mistakenly think that everything he says is stupid, when in fact it's sheer genius!

Of course! How else could one make a coherent argument without a shred of proof or logical reasoning!!

It's all so clear now!

 

[Walter]

Also, please answer my previous question.

Why would a perfect infallible creator program "bad hormones" into his favored creation? If the bible, the word of God, says that a man should not lay with another man as he does with a woman, why would God make people able to do so? Why would he make their INSTINCTS capable of doing so? If he does not accept this behavior, if his word outlaws it, then why create such hormones in the first place?

Because I cannot see any reasoning why someone who dislikes something would program their creation to do something they don't like. Please explain this to me.

http://www.adammessinger.com/2004/10/31/did-god-create-evil good article, but not very clear.

 

[Darkside55]

Right, that's what I figured you'd say.

Ok, so God decides that he will program humans--who, BTW, were initially WITHOUT knowledge and did not NEED temptation or testing to prove their worth in his eyes (so I guess that means he only put in bad genes later or he didn't care before?)--with the capacity to do things he doesn't like as a means of demonstrating their restraint? Their willingness to follow his word? Therefore, you worship a god that will intentionally put forth hurdles in your path and has you jump through hoops to show him...what? That you can follow an ideal?

Sounds like a great guy.

 

[kirovman]

This isn't fun anymore, it's like playing against bots in a game.

 

[DaMaN]

This isn't fun anymore, it's like playing against bots in a game.

Worse. Bots you can kill without legal consequences.

We can only hope for a Darwin Award...

 

[Neutrino]

I think every single specie living in the world of that times (considering that "the whole world" was more of a Mesopotamia, and a bit west and east from it) would fit into a boat of that size. And don't think Noah's family was that small too, it wasn't like that to have 1-3 kids back then.
And since when did the Bible write that we're here for 6000 years. As for biblical facts, most of them were considered fiction up until the last century, when they were proven(like the existence of Nebuchadnezar, Babylon(which was thought to be as much impossible to exist as Atlantis).
But enough about biblical facts, Christianity is based on belief.

"A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing."

 

[Walter]

Right, that's what I figured you'd say.

Ok, so God decides that he will program humans--who, BTW, were initially WITHOUT knowledge and did not NEED temptation or testing to prove their worth in his eyes (so I guess that means he only put in bad genes later or he didn't care before?)--with the capacity to do things he doesn't like as a means of demonstrating their restraint? Their willingness to follow his word? Therefore, you worship a god that will intentionally put forth hurdles in your path and has you jump through hoops to show him...what? That you can follow an ideal?

Sounds like a great guy.

http://www.gotquestions.org/tree-knowledge-good-evil.html I think it's better if you find such things yourself