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No, I really think you should start writing your own posts instead of letting a link do the work for you.

Sources are supposed to provide information that you integrate into your own arguments. They are not substitutions. If you have an opinion on the matter, then make clear the relevance of your link and make use of it.

And just from reading excerpts like this:

The young man stood up and said “Sir, is there such thing as cold?”

“Of course there is, what kind of question is that? Haven’t you ever been cold?”

The young man replied, “Actually, sir, cold doesn’t exist.

What we consider to be cold, is really an absence of heat. Absolute zero is when there is absolutely no heat, but cold does not really exist. We have only created that term to describe how we feel when heat is not there.”

The young man continued, “Sir, is there such a thing as dark?”

Once again, the professor responded “Of course there is.” And once again, the student replied “Actually, sir, darkness does not exist.

Darkness is really only the absence of light. Darkness is only a term man developed to describe what happens when there is no light present.”
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And then...

The professor responded, “Of course. We have rapes, and murders and violence everywhere in the world, those things are evil.”

The student replied, “Actually, sir, evil does not exist.

Evil is simply the absence of God. Evil is a term man developed to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. It isn’t like truth, or love, which exist as virtues like heat or light. Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light.”
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...Don't really lead me to believe this of any kind of coherent thought. Semantic games are of the utmost triviality.

Your second link is also of little worth. When you posit that god (being omniscient) already knew that Adam and Eve would sin and then pretend that they had a choice on the matter, your stupid ass doesn't need to be listened to any more.
 
I think it's better if you find such things yourself :)
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No, I did already. You can read how religious I was in that "This is huge!" thread. I was probably more religious than you. :p (Although, sorry, not quite as deluded or willing to follow the opinion of the masses)

However (I would like to point out we're straying off topic, I do apologize [although no one's really taking this topic seriously anymore]), let me just comment on the website you posted (which of course I already knew this "answer"; once we got into religious territory I've already predicted about twenty moves ahead of you).

God makes man in his image. Gives them temptations not to do evil yet places "evil" before them. He doesn't restrict this because he doesn't want them to be mindless. Ok. So why create them in the first place? Furthermore why expect them to do the right thing?

So he creates them in order to worship him and follow him, and he only wants them to follow him in the way he laid out, but intentionally gives them choice just to see if they'd go for it. And, being an omnipotent, omnisentient being, he already had prior knowledge that Adam and Eve would go for the fruit of the tree long before he created them. Elsewise he would not have put the tree there. So he creates us to fulfill a purpose, but only if we choose that purpose--which he knew we wouldn't choose--and sin and evil were brought into the world because of it. When it could've all been easily avoided in a number of ways (limiting free will, not giving us temptations, not creating us in the first place). Correct?

He's sounding better and better. The next move is yours, but I already know you're going pawn to g4, so let's play it and continue. :)
 
Light/Dark and Cold/Heat are scientific concepts.

Good/Evil is a social concept.

Apples and Oranges.
 
Evil is simply the absence of God. Evil is a term man developed to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. It isn?t like truth, or love, which exist as virtues like heat or light. Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light.
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Though this is of course not a rational argument and doesn't even really make sense in religion terms (ie: the devil would not exist without god), I find it to be an interesting idea. It would make a good topic to argue about in a philosophical paper.
 
Let us say that yes evil is the "absence of God"...
God is, by His nature, omnipresent. He is everywhere at all times.
Thus, for God to be absent he would have to consciously decide to vacate the premises, so to speak, and essentially allow evil to happen.
 
el Chi said:
Let us say that yes evil is the "absence of God"...
God is, by His nature, omnipresent. He is everywhere at all times.
Thus, for God to be absent he would have to consciously decide to vacate the premises, so to speak, and essentially allow evil to happen.
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You almost broke the Universe with that groundbreaking revelation, el Chi. But you'll have to do better than that!

You'll have to find a picture of Saddam that looks vaguely like Doc Brown in order to cause a quantum breakdown of the fabric space-time.
 
It certainly is a wonderful concoction. An omniscient, omnipresent, master creator essentially implies that he is also the original designer of sin. And not only does he do nothing about it, but he was completely aware of the course it would take.

The result, in its most pure and basic understanding, is that evil is predestined. Genocides and mass murder are entirely unavoidable. And people are condemned to Hell before they are even born.
 
el Chi said:
Let us say that yes evil is the "absence of God"...
God is, by His nature, omnipresent. He is everywhere at all times.
Thus, for God to be absent he would have to consciously decide to vacate the premises, so to speak, and essentially allow evil to happen.
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Or... assuming god is omnipresent as you say, perhaps this line of thought actually disproves the existence of god by the mere fact that evil does exist. :)
 
The way I see it, all prayers are a form of butt-kissing - kissing God's butt in order to get what you want. Most of them go like this - "Oh God, your glory know no bounds, my love for you is limitless, you're the best thing since sliced bread...now give me what I want and make me happy!"
In fact, sometimes I feel I should set up a church with a giant ass monument in the middle which people just come and kiss. Its basically the same as any church/mosque/temple, except its more honest as to what it is all about- i.e. butt-kissing.
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Neutrino said:
el Chi said:
Let us say that yes evil is the "absence of God"...
God is, by His nature, omnipresent. He is everywhere at all times.
Thus, for God to be absent he would have to consciously decide to vacate the premises, so to speak, and essentially allow evil to happen.
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Or... assuming god is omnipresent as you say, perhaps this line of thought actually disproves the existence of god by the mere fact that evil does exist. :)
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Woah, you broke God!
 
Darkside55 said:
No, I did already. You can read how religious I was in that "This is huge!" thread. I was probably more religious than you. :p (Although, sorry, not quite as deluded or willing to follow the opinion of the masses)

However (I would like to point out we're straying off topic, I do apologize [although no one's really taking this topic seriously anymore]), let me just comment on the website you posted (which of course I already knew this "answer"; once we got into religious territory I've already predicted about twenty moves ahead of you).

God makes man in his image. Gives them temptations not to do evil yet places "evil" before them. He doesn't restrict this because he doesn't want them to be mindless. Ok. So why create them in the first place? Furthermore why expect them to do the right thing?

So he creates them in order to worship him and follow him, and he only wants them to follow him in the way he laid out, but intentionally gives them choice just to see if they'd go for it. And, being an omnipotent, omnisentient being, he already had prior knowledge that Adam and Eve would go for the fruit of the tree long before he created them. Elsewise he would not have put the tree there. So he creates us to fulfill a purpose, but only if we choose that purpose--which he knew we wouldn't choose--and sin and evil were brought into the world because of it. When it could've all been easily avoided in a number of ways (limiting free will, not giving us temptations, not creating us in the first place). Correct?

He's sounding better and better. The next move is yours, but I already know you're going pawn to g4, so let's play it and continue. :)
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Hmm...Perhaps if we even go deeper, to first existing sin.

http://www.allaboutgod.com/why-did-god-create-satan-faq.htm
 
That's another interesting thing. If God does indeed have a solid, unbreakable plan for the universe - and there's no reason to think he shouldn't considering his power - then isn't prayer an entirely useless and ineffective medium? He's not going to go out of his way for you. The most you can hope for is that your good fortune coincides with what he's already dictated.

Walter said:
Hmm...Perhaps if we even go deeper, to first existing sin.

http://www.allaboutgod.com/why-did-god-create-satan-faq.htm
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STOP

God made the potential of sin. God knew that Lucifer would exercise it. God made Satan. There is little mercy or benevolence in that.

The article is an absolute brain fart. Destiny cannot coexist with free will. If all actions have already been determined by an all-powerful god, it would be an impossibility to break away from his will.
 
Which is one of the main points of Calvinism.

Absinthe said:
It certainly is a wonderful concoction. An omniscient, omnipresent, master creator essentially implies that he is also the original designer of sin. And not only does he do nothing about it, but he was completely aware of the course it would take.

The result, in its most pure and basic understanding, is that evil is predestined. Genocides and mass murder are entirely unavoidable. And people are condemned to Hell before they are even born.
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Fun for all the family, innit.
It also throws up some horrendous logical train wrecks and self-contradictions, but that's ok because God doesn't need to obey those... Oh yes.
 
Where is Mechagodzilla? He'd have a field day.

Although I suspect he wouldn't bother himself with such muck.
 
Walter, it'd do you some good to read this. See things from a different perspective.
 
kirovman said:
Where is Mechagodzilla? He'd have a field day.

Although I suspect he wouldn't bother himself with such muck.
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Dude! I thought we were missing someone...

Where is Mecha when we need him!!
 
I'd rather spare Mecha the frustration of being ignored/misunderstood
 
Walter said:
Hmm...Perhaps if we even go deeper, to first existing sin.

http://www.allaboutgod.com/why-did-god-create-satan-faq.htm
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No, no guys...I'm really beginning to see Walter's point. Sure he may not have the most logical argument, but since religion is above logic anyway that's hardly the point. In fact, Walter's passionate words and unwavering faith have inspired me to renounce my heathen ways and embrace the Lord. Thank you Walter, you have truly opened my eyes.

It's just all so clear now, don't you see?
 
Neutrino said:
No, no guys...I'm really beginning to see Walter's point. Sure he may not have the most logical argument, but since religion is above logic anyway that's hardly the point. In fact, Walter's passionate words unwavering faith have inspired me to renounce my heathen ways and embrace the Lord. Thank you Walter, you have truly opened my eyes.

It's just all so clear now, don't you see?
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*smack* *smack* Snap out of it man! Don't you see he's got you under his evil witch spells! He's a witch! We must burn him!!

But seriously Walter, check out http://www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com/
 
Or you could ACTUALLY READ THIS instead of shrugging off anything that doesn't fit in with your flawed world-view.

[edit] And for the record, yes I have in fact read the past two links you posted. See, I like to give everything a fair chance.
 
Walter said:
One of the main reasons people lose faith in God - tragedy in life. I think i've met more of such through my life than any other former believer.
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It's as good a reason as any. When your supposedly loving and benevolent father let's somebody close to you tragically die or cripples you for life, you have every right to be pissed off at him, or disregard him completely.
 
Walter said:
:D shut up.

http://www.everystudent.com/features/tragedy.html

One of the main reasons people lose faith in God - tragedy in life. I think i've met more of such through my life than any other former believer.
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Your linkage has truly moved me. I've never seen anyone able to link quite like you do. It's inspiring.

That is SO true! You know I just never really thought about that before, but you are absoluty right. You see, secretly I've always known that He was there for me, but I let certain tragedies in my life interfere with the Knowledge of His Existance. I feel ashamed. But thank God your timely Link has shown me the Truth.
 
Walter said:
:D shut up.

http://www.everystudent.com/features/tragedy.html

One of the main reasons people lose faith in God - tragedy in life. I think i've met more of such through my life than any other former believer.
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I find the opposite to be true ..people who've met with tragedy in their lives are more likely to "find" god than reject him ..in fact I work with a born again christian who's "born again" because of that reason


no people lose faith because they usually see that it's all just a bunch of morality stories meant to frighten the unsophisticated
 
Stigmata said:
Or you could ACTUALLY READ THIS instead of shrugging off anything that doesn't fit in with your flawed world-view.

[edit] And for the record, yes I have in fact read the past two links you posted. See, I like to give everything a fair chance.
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What part of that didn't you understand then. And stop writing it in such sizes, you looney.
 
no people lose faith because they usually see that it's all just a bunch of morality stories meant to frighten the unsophisticated.
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I suppose you meant it like this ;)
 
Also for the record:

The reason I lost faith in God is because of the Sept. 11th attack on the World Trade Center. I thought to myself "At least now they're in Heaven. Though, I don't really know why God would let them die like that. That's a horrible way to go. I guess it was Satan who was behind those attacks. Wait. God is omnipresent. Can't he stop Satan? Isn't he all-powerful?

... D:"
 
Walter said:
What part of that didn't you understand then. And stop writing it in such sizes, you looney.
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I understood everything. Or rather, I understood what the articles were trying to argue. They failed horribly - all their evidence was based on nothing but the Bible and logical fallacy.

And about the text: It really seems as if you haven't read that article yet. I thought you missed [read: ignored] it the past couple times, that's all.
 
DaMaN said:
*smack* *smack* Snap out of it man! Don't you see he's got you under his evil witch spells! He's a witch! We must burn him!!
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Thanks I needed that. His persuasive linkage skills almost had me there for a minute.
 
Stigmata said:
I understood everything. Or rather, I understood what the articles were trying to argue. They failed horribly - all their evidence was based on nothing but the Bible and logical fallacy.

And about the text: It really seems as if you haven't read that article yet. I thought you missed [read: ignored] it the past couple times, that's all.
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Well, i did read some of it, and it's just as i've said in the first place. Religion is based on faith, everything else comes second.
And as for you, considering me a representative of Christendom is making somewhat an idiot out of you.
 
Walter said:
I suppose you meant it like this ;)
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no I meant it like this

cptstern said:
no people lose faith because they usually see that it's all just a bunch of morality stories meant to frighten the unsophisticated
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it's not an opinion ...not unless you'd like to prove those stories are indeed fact
 
Religion is based on blind faith, and that is EXACTLY why it should not be believed in.
 
it's not an opinion ...not unless you'd like to prove those stories are indeed fact
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Stigmata is just before your nose claiming that was the reason, and you still demand evidence. Are you just sitting your whole life there in front of your pc to not know such things? Because i sure did ask a lot of people why don't they believe in God, and cases like Stigmata's are one of the main reasons.
 
And about that amputee, i'll find you the answer to that in the Bible. Forgot what the page was, only remember it being in the New Testament.
 
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