I have a dream.

[Saturos]

Also, you and Numbers are scary ****ers. Is there any vision of the future you two have where human kind lives in harmony, having transcended war?

You live in some kind of fantasy. Humans will never have resolve and private corporate funding is the only way Earth's space programs will move faster and further. It's all fueled by greed and self-ambition.

 

[jverne]

How? There's nothing to pollute on the moon.

ground?

yeah...it depends what we find on it. uranium, lead,...maybe even copper which seem quite benign (but not so if you spread it around in fine particles).

 

[AJ Rimmer]

ground?

We're gonna pollute a ground which has no water or air or nutrients of any kind to start with?

 

[Dodo]

you are ALL WRONG!

we're pointing our rockets and interests the wrong way.
We've got trillions and trillions of kilometers of nothing around us.
Its a horrible empty freezing/boiling empty space of utter hostility.

The sea is where its at. Everything is better underwater... well except that we cant breath it and its heavy, but thats about it. f*** that empty space with some huge glowing lava balls called stars, or those desolate balls of dirt with bacteria growing on the, GO SEA!!

-dodo

edit: NK hasnt nuked you yet numbers?

 

[barbarbarbarbar]

Yeah, or we will blow up the moon with a 20 kiloton explosion like in that movie ... what was its name ? help someone ??? It was about a man from the 18th or 17th century traveling through time...

 

[Dodo]

We're gonna pollute a ground which has no water or air or nutrients of any kind to start with?

Thats the plan, yes... its basically how stupid organisms wipe them selves out... with stupidity.

-dodo

 

[Saturos]

We're gonna pollute a ground which has no water or air or nutrients of any kind to start with?

TBH, you can even pollute space, a complete vacuum.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

Thats the plan, yes... its basically how stupid organisms wipe them selves out... with stupidity.

-dodo

What, by polluting a world that in no way could possibly support human life anyway? That's how we're gonna wipe ourselves out?

 

[ríomhaire]

Inter-dimensional travel is the future.

 

[jverne]

We're gonna pollute a ground which has no water or air or nutrients of any kind to start with?

we'll you have a point...but in the event we might someday terraform it and live on the surface.

i'm pretty sure we'll find a way to beat the shit out of it. we always do

Yeah, or we will blow up the moon with a 20 kiloton explosion like in that movie ... what was its name ? help someone ??? It was about a man from the 18th or 17th century traveling through time...

the remake of: The time machine

and btw...20 kilotons would barely scratch it

 

[VirusType2]

They should be fine in 1/6 gravity, just wear very heavy jewellery.

Heavy boots. :cheese:

 

[AJ Rimmer]

we'll you have a point...but in the event we might someday terraform it and live on the surface.

If we some day have the technology to transform one of the deadest objects in the solar system to a habitable world, I guarantee you we will also have the technology to clean up any pollution.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

I saw the first manned moon-landing live

Although it won't be the first manned moon-landing, I can't wait till I see live footage of us going back to the moom

 

[jverne]

If we some day have the technology to transform one of the deadest objects in the solar system to a habitable world, I guarantee you we will also have the technology to clean up any pollution.

true that. but i'm sure there is a way to **** up the moon, we just need to be creative.

oh oh....i got it! what about emitting dust particles that clog up machinery and make it unusable.

either that or something like dickbar suggested

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

My mind is being polluted by your posts, jverne.

 

[jverne]

My mind is being polluted by your posts, jverne.

you should invest in one of these

 

[AJ Rimmer]

true that. but i'm sure there is a way to **** up the moon, we just need to be creative.

oh oh....i got it! what about emitting dust particles that clog up machinery and make it unusable.

Brilliant! But where would we get such a large supply of fine dust, handily available near the moon... oh wait! It's already there! And it does clog up machinery! Damn you, Mother Nature, you've beaten us to it! You may win this round, but wait! More coal plants! Mwuahaha!!! Your move, bitch.

 

[Robbo]

Yeah, or we will blow up the moon with a 20 kiloton explosion like in that movie ... what was its name ? help someone ??? It was about a man from the 18th or 17th century traveling through time...

'The Time Machine" or somthing like that.. and wasn't it because they screwed up the demolition of a holiday resort on the moon

We're gonna pollute a ground which has no water or air or nutrients of any kind to start with?

It depends how you define pollute, it could me that we just wreck the place with our rubbish and unwanted products of mining because it was too expensive to bring them back to Earth or store them. You could also say that we are polluting the moon as soon as we begin changing it's natural 'state' but the moon is a bit too boreing for people to take it that literally. Having said that we are unlikely to make the same mistakes on any other planet or moon as we have here, that would just be silly......

 

[AJ Rimmer]

It depends how you define pollute, it could me that we just wreck the place with our rubbish and unwanted products of mining because it was too expensive to bring them back to Earth or store them.

Well yes, we might certainly do that, but unlike toxins and chemicals getting into an active ecosystem, that would be easy to remedy, merely a question of will. Now, that's not to say there are bodies out in our solar system that we could potentially damage, or at least contaminate. Mars, unlike the moon has a significant atmosphere, has ice and weather. Europa, it is theorized could even contain life and certainly we could do some damage to the more atmosphere-filled moons such as Titan. Just not our moon. It is well and truly dead.

But that really is the promise of space: It is, in many ways, a chance for us to start over. To go past our old sins of war and internal strife, personal agendas and petty disagreements. We learned all that we know here on Earth, hopefully we can apply the best of that when we decide to make new homes on other worlds.

"The power of space is to raise our aspirations to those things that are possible, if we will commit!" -Gene Kranz

 

[VirusType2]

Now, that's not to say there are bodies out in our solar system that we could potentially damage, or at least contaminate.

Yes. Contaminate with humans, along with all of our hosted germs, viruses, and parasites.

 

[Robbo]

Well yes, we might certainly do that, but unlike toxins and chemicals getting into an active ecosystem, that would be easy to remedy, merely a question of will. Now, that's not to say there are bodies out in our solar system that we could potentially damage, or at least contaminate. Mars, unlike the moon has a significant atmosphere, has ice and weather. Europa, it is theorized could even contain life and certainly we could do some damage to the more atmosphere-filled moons such as Titan. Just not our moon. It is well and truly dead.

Ultimatly we will end up mining the Asteroid belt because most people don't even know about it. As for space exploration itself I believe we do it because we want to know whats there, the other things we gain from it (resources, colonies, scientific knowledge) will be used to find out whats even further out there.

 

[barbarbarbarbar]

I think you guys are getting too carried away

 

[VirusType2]

We could find elements or extremely light weight metals that aren't found on earth on other planets that could assist our expedition deeper into the solar system, and even the galaxy.

For example, there could be a type of gas that isn't native to earth that is more efficient for rocket propulsion. But, to be honest, I think that kind of thing won't be found in our solar system, since it was probably all made from the same source. I guess that meteors could bring new elements though. Then we just have to mine them.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

Yes. Contaminate with humans, along with all of our hosted germs, viruses, and parasites.

Yes, that is what I meant. Of course, even that will be relatively irrelevant in most places. Would be a terrible disaster if we were to discover life on some planet or moon in our solar system only to wipe it out with the measles though, so caution would be advised.

 

[barbarbarbarbar]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_Programme#Timeline

 

[VirusType2]

Yes, that is what I meant. Of course, even that will be relatively irrelevant in most places. Would be a terrible disaster if we were to discover life on some planet or moon in our solar system only to wipe it out with the measles though, so caution would be advised.

Heh. But I was insinuating that humans were the main and most dangerous contaminate.

 

[Sheepo]

Don't be so cynical.I hate it when people think stuff like " oh noes its teh 2010s nuclear war is gonna keel uss ! " That's just plain stupid.Okay , there might be few threats , such as Iran or North Korea , but there won't be any WWIII ! The next war that might come is probably a inter-stellar war or something.

barbarbar: Failing to get jokes since 2009.

 

[15357]

We will respect the alien for the shared gift of sapience, but we will not mourn their passing, but rejoice, for in the eternal dominion of mankind their memory shall live on, yet not for them the eternal struggle of interests between two sapient species, no, their memory will be pure and untainted by their continued existence and strife with the children of Earth. There cleansing will not be the product of hate or bigotry like of old against our own but the beautiful manifestation of the pure unadulterated logic of our survival. They will die so we will live, their sacrifice no less important then those of the adventurous people who lead humanity's expansion.

No hate, no strife, no long lived bitter memories and conflict. They will rest in the peace that we live.

Yeah! HUMAN POWER!



I have no doubts that humanity will forever prevail.

And until space travel becomes somehow more profitable and gets more safe, private companies will shun it. If it was profitable, NASA wouldn't have to offer prizes to those companies for building a rocket to go to the moon. In other words, until NASA, ESA or the CSA starts mining helium on the moon or something else that entices the private companies to get up there, we should give them more funding, as we give them incredibly little right now. I also think we should keep giving them funding anyway, since commercialization of space scares me as a concept, but fine.

We really do need to find some miracle ore or something on the damn moon.

Also, you and Numbers are scary ****ers. Is there any vision of the future you two have where human kind lives in harmony, having transcended war?

IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE THERE IS ONLY WAR

i don't hate technology...i hate the current human way of thinking, that ****s up pretty much everything it touches. we're the typical...shoot first ask questions later kind.

And that is how we establish our rightful dominance. By ****ing everything else over.

you truly scare me numbers

Thank you.

people need to realize that for every acceleration in space you need to have the same amount of deceleration to come to a halt. with mars we used it's atmosphere and additional reverse thrusters.

so decelerating from 7.1% speed of light you'd need to spend the same amount of energy "braking" unless you just want to zip by. and besides... 7.1% that's nothing. it would still take you 60 years to reach our nearest star, only to find more emptiness.

Yeah. We really need to find some way of doing this quickly. I have hope in wormholes.

face it people, earth will be our only true home for a very long time.
people who say we should colonize space to end our overpopulation problems are like the religious loonies that believe only God will save or end the world and not mortal humans... failing to realize our deep internal problems by focusing attention to other seemingly important problems. that's what the media normally does.



as for space agencies...if we want to do some serious space exploration in the near future we need a unification of all the space agencies. as for private endeavors...bound to **** it up.
i know exactly who it will end up...first we'll make a mining operation on the moon we'll totally ****ing pollute the ass out of her. when our descendants will manage to establish a more permanent presence on the moon...they'll realize that there's a ****ing toxic dump just around the corner where they live and history will repeat itself.

Yes. Humanity must unite in order to pursue our great endeavors.

And how do we exactly pollute a barren wasteland?

you are ALL WRONG!

we're pointing our rockets and interests the wrong way.
We've got trillions and trillions of kilometers of nothing around us.
Its a horrible empty freezing/boiling empty space of utter hostility.

The sea is where its at. Everything is better underwater... well except that we cant breath it and its heavy, but thats about it. f*** that empty space with some huge glowing lava balls called stars, or those desolate balls of dirt with bacteria growing on the, GO SEA!!

-dodo

Yes, tapping the ocean depths is another of my dreams, but nothing really beats interstellar travel.

edit: NK hasnt nuked you yet numbers?

I'm currently writing this underground, in a facility carved into a mountain. (No, really)

 

[Eejit]

They were, they ****ing stepped all over the natives in the name of advancement and help build the greatest most advanced empire at the time. They were expanding the limits of European knowledge, power and control at a time when the British government was sitting on its arse picking its own dingleberries.

Hippy, go hug a tree and a native and die out somewhere like all the other Hominids.

Well they certainly made money. The fact that while doing so they were responsible for illegally smuggling opium into china to make up a trade deficit, let a third of the Bengal population starve, helped trigger the Boston Tea Party (paving the way for Bush to be elected!!), and generally treating their administered territories badly enough to foment rebellion.
Please, list their scientific advancements, Nazi.

 

[G(ordon)-man]

You know how people always say that aliens are probably bad who conquer planet after planet, depleting it's resources? Let me present you humans, young divided xenophobic race that has almost depleted it's home planet and now wants to continue it's destroying path to other Solar Systems. But, we are all doomed to die we don't. Sooner or later a nuclear war or pandemic or big natural catastrophe (yellowstone volcano eruption?) will kill us all and aliens will only find remnants of a alien race too greedy and divided to start colonization other planets. Humanity needs to stick together. We are all one big organism, not one human with his own quest.

 

[Eejit]

Wow, so deep, bra.

The Aliens from Independence day are doing right, because we're like how we're represented in The Day The Earth Stood Still and The Matrix.

 

[NeptuneUK]

The chances are, I am almost certain that within most of our lifespans (especially the younger members) we are going to witness some kind of history in the making in terms of spaceflight. It may not get the news coverage some of you desire if public opinion on space flight and innovation stays as low as it is now.

 

[Robbo]

The chances are, I am almost certain that within most of our lifespans (especially the younger members) we are going to witness some kind of history in the making in terms of spaceflight. It may not get the news coverage some of you desire if public opinion on space flight and innovation stays as low as it is now.

Public opinion is low because nothing is happening but most people don't understand them. If we ever decide to go to Mars I'm sure there would massive public interest in space again.

 

[NeptuneUK]

I would hope so, but I still doubt a single front page cover. We'll never have another 'moon landing' thing.

 

[Robbo]

I would hope so, but I still doubt a single front page cover. We'll never have another 'moon landing' thing.

:O I will guarantee you that man landing on Mars will make the front cover.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

Public opinion is low because nothing is happening but most people don't understand them. If we ever decide to go to Mars I'm sure there would massive public interest in space again.

We have decided to go to Mars, they're building the launch vehicle as we speak.


...nope, no public interest.

 

[tesher06]

Fact: Dreams remind me that I have to go take a massive dump when I wake up.... well not really

 

[Robbo]

We have decided to go to Mars, they're building the launch vehicle as we speak.


...nope, no public interest.

ok well when we blast off to go there there will be public interest.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

ok well when we blast off to go there there will be public interest.

Yes, some. But I don't think it's going to match the kind of attention Apollo got. The space program in those days was part of a national effort, a point of pride for the entire nation, as well as the object of much interest for the rest of the world. Space travel itself had only been invented ten years earlier in 1969. Today its routine. Which is why NASA's budget has halved since the 60s, and today gets the least amount of money of all US government agencies. I really hope public interest will peak again, I just kind of doubt it. Not in the same way it did in the 60s. This will partly be because when we went to the moon people thought it would be nigh impossible. In twenty years, when we go to Mars, people will think it's about damn time.

 

[Robbo]

Yes, some. But I don't think it's going to match the kind of attention Apollo got. The space program in those days was part of a national effort, a point of pride for the entire nation, as well as the object of much interest for the rest of the world. Space travel itself had only been invented ten years earlier in 1969. Today its routine. Which is why NASA's budget has halved since the 60s, and today gets the least amount of money of all US government agencies. I really hope public interest will peak again, I just kind of doubt it. Not in the same way it did in the 60s.

Yeah I see your point now, there's not a cold war to push people along. Ironic that the only way to get into space is by working together and it's that which makes it boring and will slow our progress. I'm sure that the public interest wont match the Apollo era but it will get pretty close. It's humans stepping onto another planet, thats got to get to those inspirational types. The only problem I can see is that the lead up will be so long that everyone is over it when it eventually happens.