I just saw farenheit 9/11

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and I see why so much people hates bush

since the fact that looks like he win the 2000 elections cheating,and the comertial stuff whit the saudi until the irak war

and wow some images of the irak where perturbing
like the irak guy that pick up the dead body of a baby and say something like "whats sim this kid has made to be killed?!" or something like that

but the true that was a good documental,it show me things that I didnt know about the current USA situation
 
I thought it was a great film as well, but you have to understand that it was heavily slanted to the left.

Far better than the pathetic response, Farenhype 9/11.
 
<RJMC> said:
and I see why so much people hates bush

since the fact that looks like he win the 2000 elections cheating,and the comertial stuff whit the saudi until the irak war

and wow some images of the irak where perturbing
like the irak guy that pick up the dead body of a baby and say something like "whats sim this kid has made to be killed?!" or something like that

but the true that was a good documental,it show me things that I didnt know about the current USA situation
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I thought it was a sensational piece of shit.
 
and who did/would you have vote/d for?
 
Audiophile said:
and who did/would you have vote/d for?
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if I will be living in USA I will not voted by bush cuz in the movie appear that some black people where trying to say theyr opinions or something like that and the rest of the people didnt give they change,so if they are like that whit the black people of theyr own country,sure they are worse whit the people that is not of theyr country
 
<RJMC> said:
if I will be living in USA I will not voted by bush cuz in the movie appear that some black people where trying to say theyr opinions or something like that and the rest of the people didnt give they change,so if they are like that whit the black people of theyr own country,sure they are worse whit the people that is not of theyr country
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You're extremely naive, but it's not your fault because you don't live in the US, therefore you don't have a full understanding of what things really are like. Lots of internationals often make the mistake of consuming what people like Moore say as the ultimate truth.

You cannot take Moore seriously; in fact, that's exactly what he wants people to do: take him seriously. Moore fits in with the Eminem, Madonna, etc., crowd, except Moore is a more sophisticated shock-artist than the previously mentioned. Moore is very good when it comes to engineering and creating 'documentaries'. He's very clever and skilled at making things SEEM like they are the truth, when in fact they are not the truth -- they are only what HE WANTS to see and believe and what he wants YOU to see and believe.

Is everything Moore says and presents BS? No, some of it's true... But only some of it, to be honest. Don't be so naive and accept everything Moore presents as the 100% truth. Don't trade your thoughts, opinions, stances and mind for another person's thoughts, opinions, stances and mind.
 
I agree with you, honestly, but I think that a lot of what Moore is saying is valid. Fahrenheit 9/11 was a little too sensational, I agree, but some of his earlier films (especially Bowling for Columbine) are extremely well made and quite justified.
 
MadHatter said:
You're extremely naive, but it's not your fault because you don't live in the US, therefore you don't have a full understanding of what things really are like. Lots of internationals often make the mistake of consuming what people like Moore say as the ultimate truth.

You cannot take Moore seriously; in fact, that's exactly what he wants people to do: take him seriously. Moore fits in with the Eminem, Madonna, etc., crowd, except Moore is a more sophisticated shock-artist than the previously mentioned. Moore is very good when it comes to engineering and creating 'documentaries'. He's very clever and skilled at making things SEEM like they are the truth, when in fact they are not the truth -- they are only what HE WANTS to see and believe and what he wants YOU to see and believe.

Is everything Moore says and presents BS? No, some of it's true... But only some of it, to be honest. Don't be so naive and accept everything Moore presents as the 100% truth. Don't trade your thoughts, opinions, stances and mind for another person's thoughts, opinions, stances and mind.
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I never say that I believe him 100% but I dont hav another thing to believe
 
I was disappointed in that all that F9/11 is is his 2 books made into a movie. It didn't offer me any new insight or ideas, just a repetition of what he already said. In fact, the most interesting thing for me in the entire movie was the very end when he quotes '1984.' That was thought-provoking.

Bowling was a much better doc IMO.
 
I thought his documentary bowling for columbine was great, but I havent seen Fahrenheit 9/11. I'm sure i'd be against it, but i'll see it when it comes out on cable.
 
any way, moores movie is filled with inaccuracies, how could u trust a movie that lies out of its fat ass? most of the times given for bushes speeches and events are wrong.

and its not resistance in Iraq, its terrorism. maybe they should try working on helping the nation(iraq) out, instead of blowing it up person by person
 
This movie was great.
But Bowling for Columbine was much better.
Two great documentaries.
 
joule said:
This movie was great.
But Bowling for Columbine was much better.
Two great documentaries.
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i found them funny, i didnt take anything seriouly beacuse they were both filled with lies
 
Eg. said:
i found them funny, i didnt take anything seriouly beacuse they were both filled with lies
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prove it, if you're so convinced prove it
 
Eg. said:
i found them funny, i didnt take anything seriouly beacuse they were both filled with lies
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Lies? Do you have an proof of this?

And how could you find them funny? This is serious documentary, not a comedy.

EDIT: :upstare: CptStern :E
 
Lies? Do you have an proof of this?

And how could you find them funny? This is serious documentary, not a comedy.
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It is filled with distortions and extreme exaggerations.
 
seinfeldrules said:
It is filled with distortions and extreme exaggerations.
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"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

George W. Bush September 12, 2002


Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

George W. Bush January 28, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

George Bush February 8, 2003

We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.

Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003






really?
 
Sigh, how about the congressman that had nephews and cousins serving in Iraq at the time? He cut out that part, but included the congressman's other remarks. Then what about the congressman who did have sons serving in the army or navy? How about the FOXNews exagerrations? They called Bush less than 2 seconds before the other channels. There are just more and more ever where you turn. Look at the 51 points, or whatever they are, for evidence of this.
 
minor compared to the invasion and occupation of an entire country
 
it fits the topic: it's an example of your hypocrisy
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If you want to talk about Iraq, do it in any one of the other topics already discussing it on the first page. Why ruin this topic as well?
 
There is some crap in the movie .. but all in all it's not that bad.

most of the stuff about the saudis .. I thought it was crap. what's the point anyway? it's not like the "saudis" attacked the US on 9/11, it's Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda is even attacking the Saudi government (the reasons are the things mentioned in the movie :p)
 
My impression of Fahrenheit 9/11 is that while it goes out of its way to attack Bush, even with some twisting around, it's largely factual, and clearly shows why Bush should never have been re-elected.

What I find most funny about Moore's opponents is that they are never able to explain just why Moore sucks. All they can do is hold the US flag in one hand and their dicks in the other while spouting incoherent nonsense about Moore being an anti-American communist who shouldn't be allowed to say anything because America is Free and everyone can say whatever they want except Moore who hates America. Then again, these are the very same people who go on a crack-induced verbal rampage whenever someone has something negative to say about America or its policies.

The title of the documentary "Michael Moore Hates America" neatly sums up the amount of credibility (which is precisely zero) that his enemies have. Not to mention the book "Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man."
 
the first one shows that he lied

the second one shows that what little truth there was went thruogh a charnal house
 
again yes, y dont u read them, both state that the movie is filled with either lies, or with bent truths, so how could one of them say the movies is factual, or better yet, which link says that?
 
Yadda yadda yadda. The other camp says the exact opposite, with an equal amount of evidence. This is mostly a matter of faith.
 
I have yet to see Farenheit 9/11.

I want too -- just to see what the movie brings up. I thought the Bowling for Columbine movie was pretty good.

I did'nt see Farenhype 9/11 though, either.
 
K e r b e r o s said:
I have yet to see Farenheit 9/11.

I want too -- just to see what the movie brings up. I thought the Bowling for Columbine movie was pretty good.

I did'nt see Farenhype 9/11 though, either.
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I doubt the 'open minded' left has seen Farenhype 9/11 either. I want to catch that or Celsius 4.11.
 
Michael Moore= liar, conman, trickster,propagandist, bullshit artist.

www.moorelies.com

www.moorewatch.com

http://www.eppc.org/publications/pubID.2189/pub_detail.asp

This assessment reveals that Moore’s film is profoundly dishonest and misleading on a scale that even the very skeptical viewer cannot begin to appreciate without a careful analysis of each of the individual pieces that make up the narrative. For the most part, the movie does not proceed by outright false assertions: Moore is careful—often through a lawyerly precision in word choice—to avoid the simplest lies and to steer barely clear of claims that are plainly libelous. Instead, he chops up the truth and rearranges the pieces to form a thoroughly false picture of reality that is composed of genuine video and audio clips that in reality often have little or nothing to do with the point being advanced in the film, and of facts out of context and figures misrepresented. This means that while Moore’s “facts” are not all false, essentially none of his “arguments” turns out to be true.
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Why did Moore have to resort to a misdated and re-titled letter to the editor from a local paper in Illinois to back up his claim that independent recounts showed Gore had won? Because the claim is false. In fact, the independent recounts, conducted by several universities and media organizations, showed that in every recount scenario that had been requested by the Gore campaign, Bush actually won more votes than Gore did in Florida, and therefore won the election, regardless of any court intervention.
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And another lie

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Or maybe Bush was wondering why he had cut terrorism funding from the FBI,” Moore says. But as the 9/11 Commission Report also shows, the Bush Administration actually increased funding for counterterrorism in the FBI in its first year in office (before September 11th). Indeed they asked Congress for, and received, “the largest proposed percentage increase in the FBI’s counterterrorism program since fiscal year 1997” (http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf, p. 209). These amounts, of course, only increased further after the September 11th attacks.
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In his own voice, Moore describes the beginning of the Iraq war this way: “On March 19, 2003, George W. Bush and the United States military invaded the sovereign nation of Iraq. A nation that had never attacked the United States. A nation that had never threatened to attack the United States. A nation that had never murdered a single American citizen
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Absurd. He does not mention that Iraq had been in violation of its agreements from the conclusion of the 1991 Gulf War. He does not mention that Iraq had been in a state of fairly open conflict with the United States for over a decade, including on numerous occasions attacking American aircraft patrolling the UN-imposed “no fly zones” (to which Saddam Hussein expressly agreed in the 1991 surrender). He does not mention that Iraq undertook to assassinate former President George H.W. Bush and, on a separate occasion, the American ambassador to the Philippines. He does not mention the violation of more than a dozen UN resolutions requiring disarmament and reporting of weapons programs. He does not mention that Iraq paid the families of suicide bombers who killed Israelis and on several occasions killed Americans in Israel (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/03/world/main505316.shtml). He does not mention that Iraq sheltered Abdul Rahman Yasin, a leader of the group that bombed the World Trade Center in 1993 (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-09-17-iraq-wtc_x.htm). He does not mention that Iraq sheltered the ruthless Palestinian terrorist Abu Abbas (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/15/sprj.irq.abbas.arrested/) and the notorious Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal (http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/08/19/mideast.nidal/).
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Want me to go on?

Or will you agree and admit that Moore is an out and out liar, a con artist and his "film" the worst kind of crap anyone has ever had to watch??

Sad when you idiots dont check your facts.Even sadder when you are taken in by a modern day Leni Riefenstahl.
 
SunHawk said:
Sad when you idiots dont check your facts.Even sadder when you are taken in by a modern day Leni Riefenstahl.
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ZZZzzzz.... I'd repeat myself, If I thought that you'd listen.
 
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