If it isn't one thing, it is another.

[Calanen]

Any AK 47 with a clip that can hold more than 10 rounds is illegal which is most AK 47s.

Really, so who can buy this then - the cops:

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=2


Here's where you can get a 40 round mag if one is not readily available a the first store:
http://www.tapco.com/product_information.asp?number=MAG0640&back=yes&dept=155&last=73

 

[kirovman]

With respect to the whole gun crime in the UK thing, interesting article in the news:

Gangsters using Guns for Hire

according to top police officers, many dangerous gangsters do not even own a firearm anymore.

Police experts reckon the gangs are sharing, stealing or selling the weapons between towns and cities rather than risk a long prison sentence for holding one themselves.

"The media portrayal is that every criminal on the streets has a firearm, this is not the case. If you analyse firearm crime, it is often the same gun over and over again."

"Anecdotally, there is more evidence that criminals aren't carrying firearms around with them.

"They know if they get caught it is a straight five to ten prison sentence, so they are giving them to other people to mind who perhaps wouldn't come to the notice of police.

"We are hopeful the chance of acquiring firearms is diminishing, we are reducing the supply of them bit by bit."

I believe that the UK is going through a bit of a bad patch in terms of crime. I think if we stick to our current policies (increasing policing, introducing anti-social orders to allow officers to focus on major crimes) and intensify them, we will curb the gun culture eventually.

 

[Solaris]

BTW the ASBOS, anti social behaviour orders mean you can go to jail, without commiting a crime.But anyway, I agree guns are not an issue, I belive in the USA they shoudl make selling guns illegal in 2010, and then by 2030. All the guns will have broken, problem solved.

 

[kirovman]

BTW the ASBOS, anti social behaviour orders mean you can go to jail, without commiting a crime.But anyway, I agree guns are not an issue, I belive in the USA they shoudl make selling guns illegal in 2010, and then by 2030. All the guns will have broken, problem solved.

I suppose if you didn't have a guns making industry, (except for police and military purposes, tightly regulated), the number of guns would get less and less over time.

There would be people making guns illegally, but the quality and quantity would be lacking what a full guns industry would produce.

Anyway, America's not going to stop selling guns unless a major change happens to them, and the UK is not going to start selling guns.

 

[KoreBolteR]

No, because you will not accept facts. Everytime we give you a fact you say the media is biased and frankly you make no sense when you say this.

when did i say the media was biased in this thread?, stop bringing other discussions into this to try and prove a point, please.

Again, you have absolutely no clue how easy it is to get an illegal gun.

how do you know? have you come over here? to the UK, and succeeded in gettina gun illegally?

it might be easy in the US, but in the UK.. its a different matter.

This kind of shows how out of reality you are. This isn't a movie, most people don't have silencers. And I'm sure you know a gun is loud, but you don't know how loud and how disoriented you get after you shoot it..

wtf? i said guns with silencers are quieter than those without it. how can you say a movie got me that fact?
and obviously i know a gun isnt a quiet bang.. cmon that common sense.

You completely ignored what I said. A burgler doesn't need guns to be legal to have a gun...

i didnt ignore what you said.. i stated that making guns legal, more guns would be in the houses of britain, therefore more danger when it comes to dangerous situations like that.

if guns stay illegal, it is very hard to get a gun illegally, or you have to know very experienced people who knows big british gangsters etc..

there will be more people with guns in the UK, if we legalised guns. full stop. we keep guns banned.

There are people out there that will do a lot of things; you won't stop them by making guns illegal

course you will, stop making these stupid suggestions please. As i previously said... if you keep guns illegal in the UK, a very high percentage of criminals would not know how to get hold of a gun, or not know people who can get it for them. Stop treating the UK as if its another state of the US. it might be easy to get one where you live. but not here.

 

[kirovman]

if guns stay illegal, it is very hard to get a gun illegally, or you have to know very experienced people who knows big british gangsters etc..

there will be more people with guns in the UK, if we legalised guns. full stop. we keep guns banned.

course you will, stop making these stupid suggestions please. As i previously said... if you keep guns illegal in the UK, a very high percentage of criminals would not know how to get hold of a gun, or not know people who can get it for them. Stop treating the UK as if its another state of the US. it might be easy to get one where you live. but not here.

Yeah, agreed. Did you read that article I pointed out, about gangsters not owning their own guns, but instead borrowing, renting and circulating them?
It's because they don't want to risk the mandatory 5 year jail sentence. If the hardcore gangsters don't want to risk it, then the petty thugs definately don't want to.
I believe our country can stamp out the majority of gun crime. We're just in a bad patch at the moment.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3714010.stm

 

[PickledGecko]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what the most common gun used for crime was in Britian in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s? I can't help but think that the stereotype of a sawn off shotgun wielding bank robber isn't rooted in some sort of truth.

Considering they have always been legal, it would then suggest that legal guns end up in the hands of criminals easier than illegal (ie smuggled). Just something to consider.

 

[el Chi]

Gun ownership is illegal in the UK, correct?

Are axes going to be illegal now?

Man held after daylight axe murder

I'll admit, I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if my points have already been raised, but here goes:
1. Axes serve a valid purpose in terms of tools, etc. Guns are manafactured with one single utilisation; to kill other human beings.
2. Some guns are used for "sport," however these guns (shotguns, etc.) are legal in the UK but very, very tightly monitored.
3. As kirov said in the first response: this is a very isolated incident. I'd stake a large sum of money that there are proportionately more gun killings in the US than there are axe murders in the UK.

 

[KoreBolteR]

if we legalise guns in the UK..

This will happen.

i dont see this happening so often in the UK...

 

[Solaris]

I agree, guns ar euseless for a civillian population. Why do you need them, for fun? Sureley you can just find another sport. For protection? Once guns are put into a conflict, the chance of Death, largely increases.

You can see how schools are shot up, how many in the UK? I have not heard of one, I remeber an adult once did, but I cant think of a pupil doing it.

Is it worth all this destruction.

 

[short recoil]

if we legalise guns in the UK..

This will happen.

Why will it happen?
Are you planning to do that is they legalise guns?

 

[el Chi]

I belive in the USA they shoudl make selling guns illegal in 2010, and then by 2030. All the guns will have broken, problem solved.

Try and ban guns in the USA and you've got yourself a blood-thirsty civil war on your hands. The South will rise again, etc.

 

[Bodacious]

I'll admit, I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if my points have already been raised, but here goes:
1. Axes serve a valid purpose in terms of tools, etc. Guns are manafactured with one single utilisation; to kill other human beings.
2. Some guns are used for "sport," however these guns (shotguns, etc.) are legal in the UK but very, very tightly monitored.
3. As kirov said in the first response: this is a very isolated incident. I'd stake a large sum of money that there are proportionately more gun killings in the US than there are axe murders in the UK.

You need to read the rest of the thread.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Why will it happen?
Are you planning to do that is they legalise guns?

well.. guns are legal in america, have more murders (much more).

guns here are ILLEGAL, and there is less murders.. u see the difference?

id like to add that there are a number of problems at skool in the UK, and if guns were in every other household, kids could easily sneak it out to skool and kill other students unaware of the power in the gun.

 

[MaddMexican]

Maybe it is because we have a larger population. The number of gun crimes in relation to population balances out quite well with both of our countries .

 

[CptStern]

no it doesnt ...16,000+ in the US only 850 in the UK ...the population of the US is only 3 times that of the UK

 

[el Chi]

You need to read the rest of the thread.

As I said; I probably do. However I don't see that that negates any worth my post had as an attack on your original post.

 

[CptStern]

meh you pretty much nailed it anyways ..that's the conclusion we've agreed on ..so your post does have merit :thumbs:

 

[DEATH eVADER]

We have a really severe anti-social problem in the UK.

I don't think legislation of guns would solve anything.
Can just imagine the charvers playing with guns in the streets, they're too stupid to get guns illegally now, but if it was legal there'd be mayhem.

Anyway this axe murder seems a bit of a one-off, so to speak.

Axe murderers are infrequent in the UK. Its usually psychos with sumarai swords. Kill with style, thats what I say

 

[GhostFox]

England has one of the highest violent crime rates in the developed world, so I don't think it should be held up as the gold standered.

 

[el Chi]

England has one of the highest violent crime rates in the developed world, so I don't think it should be held up as the gold standered.

Bollocks. We live in burgeoning, rolling green fields filled with roses and orchids and moonbeams whilst our Queen shits gold and breathes glory.

 

[GhostFox]

We live in burgeoning, rolling green fields filled with roses and orchids and moonbeams whilst our Queen shits gold and breathes glory.

Ummm...Yeah....that too.

If it makes you feel better, New Zealand and Finland are both worse then England. Must be all those sheep in NZ commiting the crimes.

 

[KoreBolteR]

England has one of the highest violent crime rates in the developed world, so I don't think it should be held up as the gold standered.

that makes me glad too live in wales then.

/oh noes ive crossed the welsh/english border, into england! ..being chased by anti welsh chavs. :|

 

[GhostFox]

that makes me glad too live in wales then.

Wales is actually very slightly higher then England.....sorry