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i really hope we see some vintage DHARMA.
Then why did he say "I'll miss you John. I really will." with that evilish sarcasm of his?
Ben wants to get back. No matter what the cost is. Ben and Widmore are nothing but selfish bastards that want the island for themselves. John is the true chosen one of the island and both of them are manipulating him. Also, unlike them he went through hell to reach where he is at but he still doubts himself. The two arrogant pricks took the easy route and simply don't care how many lives are wasted.
Ben is still a James Bond-ing mother****er
Who knows, Ben and Widmore might be fallen angels.
Yeah just like when I was right about Faraday went back in time with the opening of the show.They are not.
I believe Ben killed him because Locke needed to die -- but he could not commit suicide; he could not die faithless, believing himself to be a failure. Had Locke done that, Widmore would have succeeded. I think it's a mistake to overlook Widmore's manipulations throughout this entire episode. If you remember, way back in Season 4, he clearly stated that the Island was his and it would be again.
He realises Locke is special and a significant threat to his future in claiming the Island. He can't kill Locke -- he already tried that with his freighter mercenaries, and their intention was very clearly to "torch the Island". So, instead, he must drive Locke down the path of suicide. He must strip him of his faith, and so strip him of his title of 'special'. Abbadon is quick to remind John of his failure in recruiting the Oceanic 6, and himself raised the idea of finding Helen. Not someone -- Helen. Widmore is a powerful man. He clearly had access to everything about John Locke. He wanted Locke to find out she had died, to further tear him apart. The last time Hurley saw Abbadon, he was questioned as to the survival of those still on the Island. "Are they still alive?" Abbadon was threatening and menacing. He could have stayed in the car as Locke went over to Hurley, but he made himself very visible. He absolutely wanted that to fail.
Ben ensured it looked like a suicide. With this, he can convince Widmore that it worked. Ben must have known that, having restored Locke's faith, he could be successfully resurrected on the Island. "We're going to have to bring him, too."
Because the John Locke who comes back to life on the Island is not the same John Locke.
I was just wondering - 3 years passed for the Oceanic 6, since they left the Island. How much time has passed for the people on the Island, time shifts aside?
my guess is close to a day.
No, Jack, Kate and Hurley are definitely in the Dharma period with those who were left behind. They are not in the present.
Considerably longer than that. Remember that when Widmore asked John how much time has passed since he last saw him on the island to where he was now, he said about four days. And it was CERTAINLY longer than four days from that point to when the island disappeared.
What makes things so bizarre for me, is that when they left the island and 3 years have passed... in that short period of time, how much ****ing time passed from when they first crashed on the island to where they left. I mean, that was months before they finally made it off the island... that's gotta be decades of time passed in the real world!
But that's not the case. Obviously the story would be tons more convoluted and silly if that were the case.
well mind you the island wasnt time skipping back then.
My thoughts on that scene was that Ben just wanted information from Locke before he died. He wanted to know who would bring them back (Eloise Hawking) and how to convince Sun to return (Jin's ring). Once he got that information, he killed him. Maybe Ben knew that Locke would resurrect, but I don't think so.I believe Ben killed him because Locke needed to die -- but he could not commit suicide; he could not die faithless, believing himself to be a failure. Had Locke done that, Widmore would have succeeded. I think it's a mistake to overlook Widmore's manipulations throughout this entire episode. If you remember, way back in Season 4, he clearly stated that the Island was his and it would be again.
He realises Locke is special and a significant threat to his future in claiming the Island. He can't kill Locke -- he already tried that with his freighter mercenaries, and their intention was very clearly to "torch the Island". So, instead, he must drive Locke down the path of suicide. He must strip him of his faith, and so strip him of his title of 'special'. Abbadon is quick to remind John of his failure in recruiting the Oceanic 6, and himself raised the idea of finding Helen. Not someone -- Helen. Widmore is a powerful man. He clearly had access to everything about John Locke. He wanted Locke to find out she had died, to further tear him apart. The last time Hurley saw Abbadon, he was questioned as to the survival of those still on the Island. "Are they still alive?" Abbadon was threatening and menacing. He could have stayed in the car as Locke went over to Hurley, but he made himself very visible. He absolutely wanted that to fail.
Ben ensured it looked like a suicide. With this, he can convince Widmore that it worked. Ben must have known that, having restored Locke's faith, he could be successfully resurrected on the Island. "We're going to have to bring him, too."
Because the John Locke who comes back to life on the Island is not the same John Locke.
Also, do you think that the woman who went with Frank to the main island is Sun? It seems the obvious choice, but then again, why would she be the only one out of the O6 to appear on the Hydra Island rather than the main island?
How come? Jin could have been flashed in time with the van.
Maybe I just don't want to Jin and Sun separated. I don't know.
the only good part of this episode was seeing the anubus statue, im pumped to see radzinsky next week though.
Who is radzinsky?