medicinal mushrooms

thefiznut said:
Yes, get the National Audubon Society's Field Guide to Mushrooms and a couple books from your local library on mushroom identification. Study up and be thorough, you do NOT want to eat a poisonous mushroom. Your chance of survival would be slim because doctors wouldn't know what you ate and poisonous shrooms unload toxins on your liver weeks after being dormant in your body, out of nowhere.

I'm ordering spores and have plans to cultivate medicinal mushrooms in laboratory conditions following the path being laid by mycologists currently doing the same. I'm reading through Stamets own book on mushroom cultivation, and following his guidelines. He's the words leading expert on mushroom cultivation and has 35 years studying fungi under his belt, so its a safe bet in my eyes. Coincidentally this is not the first time I have grown mushrooms, though that is better discussed elsewhere. :)

I will tell you that just any old mushroom is NOT going to provide you with the medicinal qualities you need to fight disease. You need the correct species, and that means reishi, cordyceps (planet earth insect fungus anyone?), maitake, enokitake, lions' mane, shiitake, turkey tails, birch polypores, oyster, ice man, and others. Also note that eating mushrooms currently circulating in our food supply as edibles (button, portabella, etc) is doing more harm than good. They provide excellent nutrition, but unfortunately are widely known to harbor contaminants that are detrimental to human health.


For those who are curious, here's my daily regimin:

4 per day = http://www.iherb.com/Fungi-Perfecti-Host-Defense-MyCommunity-120-Veggie-Caps/21448?at=0 -

2 per day = http://www.iherb.com/Host-Defense-Cordychi-60-Veggie-Caps/21450?at=0

2 per day = http://www.iherb.com/Host-Defense-Lion-s-Mane-60-Veggie-Caps/21455?at=0

And then I eat:
4000 mg of New Chapter Fish Oil (Omega 3-9) per day
3 Astragalus Root Extract capsules per day (another immunomodulator)
Dr. Ohhira's Professional Formula Probiotic

The last three is something I added as support on top of my mushroom regimin. I noticed significant changes in my physiological responses to stress, pain, healing rates, inflammation, internal body temprature, and more early on even in the first month of eating mushroom supplements. I think the fish oil, astragalus, and probiotic cultures have strengthened my body even more.

There is a lot of evidence suggesting that mushrooms work best in conjunctive therapies, meaning they have a tendency to syngergize with other treatments accelerating and making them more effective. They also synergize with eachother (as well as green tea and vitamin C, suggested by studies) hence why its better to eat all 17 species daily rather than just getting a reishi supplement and pounding it down every day.
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I just read one of the reviews from the Link you provided and someone said it helped their asthma so if that can help them, I'm willing to bet it will help me with my breathing troubles. Also my dizziness I get when its really hot out. The more I dig, the more I find out this is good stuff to take. Also have you heard much on Echinacea?? I tried some before and it helped me a little bit.

Also use this: OWA252 on the checkout for $5 off!
 
My entire family got AIDS from a faulty IV and I showed them this thread and we've decided to simply eat fungus
 
My friends have recently gotten their hands on that Tibetan Milk Mushroom stuff I made a very vague post about earlier in this thread.

Turns out to be one of the most powerful natural pro and anti biotics you can get - fights against 30 diseases, etc. etc.

Tastes like extra-sour greek yoghurt when you drink it, and you feel 100% as soon as you finish the glass.

Not even exaggerating, bros.
 
Danimal said:
My friends have recently gotten their hands on that Tibetan Milk Mushroom stuff I made a very vague post about earlier in this thread.

Turns out to be one of the most powerful natural pro and anti biotics you can get - fights against 30 diseases, etc. etc.

Tastes like extra-sour greek yoghurt when you drink it, and you feel 100% as soon as you finish the glass.

Not even exaggerating, bros.
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that stuff must be expensive, where can one obtain the juice??
 
My friend got it from his Russian relatives, he grows it in a jar and gives it out to whoever amongst my close circle of friends is interested, sorta' thing.

You can apparently buy it at supermarkets, but of course it won't be as organic etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefir
 
Yeah man, the best thing about it, is that it grows too! So as long as you have a steady flow of milk and/or other liquids you could grow it in, you'll be cheering.

[This is where I start subtly mentioning the Food Crisis]
 
Just popped my first holistic medicinal cherry (2 pills of medical mushrooms) hopefully my breathing troubles go away and everything else wrong with me. TBH I feel a little different and things are a lot louder, but I really hope this doesn't go down like the last time I had Shrooms ;)
 
buy a zip from the truck an' sell psilocybins by the 1/2 eighth of an oz at a 3.0 profit margin and no highonsupply for maximum mushroom win, use a pre-paid phone and alternate (read: buy a new one) each month of active business, never deliver or go down the river and wash up on staten island, my friends. I'm talking Super Mario 64 style Mushroom win. Put the money in an international bank account with insane interest rates (it's worth the initial cost, NOT Swiss, it is not 1968 and you are not the Godfather) and get a banker who is relatively savvy with law by the time you make 100,000USD after applicable fees/taxes. Buying spores and growing shitlogs is NOT worth the insta-felony evidence. Don't do it.

It's not very high stakes if you live in a low-crime wealthy neighborhood, so at least pretend you do--don't start selling eight balls for Lorenzo McChicostache or Lebron DeGangBang, gangs, blow and stoners are cop magnets, only move one ****ing schedule I narc at a time--and that includes mommy and daddy's insurance-paid adderals or xanax DO NOT ****ING JUGGLE Sched. 1's--unless you ****ing love cops as much as the goddamn Village People. Unlabled pill bottles are like ****ing Krispy Kremes to pigs and narcs, do not carry them, I need not mention the risk of a labeled bottle of yours making it's way to a customer.

Stick to low quantities, revolving, and known customers, use unconventional bagging, shred/cut in different ways, diversify containers or request the buyer bring one. Following these steps, you'll have more spending cash than any other italian plumber at your community college in no time. Don't keep a lot of cash around ever, unless you love marked bills as much as you love getting anally raped in prison by Lebron DeGangBang while Lorenzo watches and whacks it. Do not sell to ****ing grown men with full beards, they're cops, dumbass. If you can avoid it, don't sell to grown men at all. Always be lucid for transactions, do not use consistent timing for pickups, lest you enjoy mugshots as much as you do touching yourself to tentacle rape.

As soon as you feel like you're turning around real money and moving fed heads, you probably are, so stop for a year or so. Remember the Wahlberg wisdom: "My theory on feds is treat 'em like MUSHROOMS, feed 'em shit and leave 'em in the dark."

The business of spreading love is profitable if you're law savvy and don't present yourself as a ****up pothead stereotype from Wayne's World. Wash your hair, hippies.

Suburban kids love these things, they must cure apathy or something. This is actually how Bobby Kotick made enough money to buy Activision's broke ass in the first place. He's so ****ing dope I'd turn bright red if I ever saw him.

I'm A Demon.
 
I have no criminal records. No traffic violations, nothing as small as J-walking. No misdemeanors. I don't, as a rule, associate with Felons unless it's under strict non-business situations apart from business locations of any kind. I have never worked with anyone but myself. That is, except as dishwasher when younger and fixing neighborhood comps.

But for accountability purposes: that post is about Barney the Dinosaur, duh.
 
TBH I can feel them working well now. at first nothing but overall my body feels a lot better now. I'm going to keep taking them because I bet they are flushing something bad out of my body
 
thefiznut said:
Unfortunately NGF is difficult to receive into the brain, as the blood brain barrier, a cerebrospinal fluid defense from invading pathogens and microscopic particles, keeps NGF from passing through. NGF is too large to permeate. Typically in research NGF has been set by surgical procedueres, or in the case of Rita Levi who discovered it, shes been taking NGF eyedrops into her ocular-blood barrier daily for over four decades. She now reports at 100+ years of age that her brain works more efficiently than it did four years ago.

Imagine that. :) So I think i'll keep eating my lion's mane mushroom supplement...
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Shouldn't you be doing what Levi is doing and using an eye-drop version? Surely lion's mane supplement is useless if it doesn't get into the brain?

EDIT: "There is evidence that NGF circulates throughout the entire body and is important for maintaining homeostasis." - Wiki
Ah, so you can eat it and it'll still have an effect, just probably not on your brain?

Also thread resurrection 'cause I'm thinking of doing this. Gonna look for some NGF stuff.
EDIT2: I'm in the UK. Does anyone know any good online retailers for stuff like NGF eye drops and supplements?
 
Dekstar said:
Shouldn't you be doing what Levi is doing and using an eye-drop version? Surely lion's mane supplement is useless if it doesn't get into the brain?

EDIT: "There is evidence that NGF circulates throughout the entire body and is important for maintaining homeostasis." - Wiki
Ah, so you can eat it and it'll still have an effect, just probably not on your brain?

Also thread resurrection 'cause I'm thinking of doing this. Gonna look for some NGF stuff.
EDIT2: I'm in the UK. Does anyone know any good online retailers for stuff like NGF eye drops and supplements?
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The two compounds in the lion's mane mushroom,hericenones and erinacines, are responsible for elevated NGF levels in the studies and were found to pass completely unrestrained by the blood brain barrier. This means they are effective within the brain and act on neural systems. This is definitely a first in the world of NGF. The blood-brain barrier is why Levi takes her NGF compounds through the optical nerve, or the optical-brain barrier.


Also to follow Warped's post, I dropped off my supplement regimin for 5 days or so when I went through a depressive episode. Believe me have I felt the difference in how my body handles stress, exercise, and fatigue.. I'm hurtin' a bit now. Gotta get back on them as soon as I have the budget for it. These medicinal mushroom capsules and a good fish oil are some serious business when it comes to supplementation, and I dare anyone to try them for a couple months and say otherwise. It's little wonder in my mind why ancient populations held these mushrooms in such high regard. In the context of wilderness survival and ancient warfare, they may very well just keep people alive when they otherwise wouldn't stand a chance. I've heard that Ganoderma lucidium, the reishi, when its conk was boiled down and drank people could stay alive for many weeks in the wild on its brew alone. I know my body maintains a much higher peak condition, and my cuts seal up super fast laying down vibrant healthy tissue, for some reason I can't get sunburnt at all even after countless hours outdoors (kinda weirded out by this one), bug bites don't itch, etc..
 
Hey, do you know any mushrooms that would help me lower my blood pressure a bit? My BP is borderline hypertension levels, and thats not very helpful towards getting a job and taking the physicals for officer recruitment.

Google isn't very helpful, all it has is psychedelic stuff.
 
Sure do! :)

The Maitake, Reishi, Cordyceps sinensis, Shiitake, and Hiratake mushrooms are known to regulate blood pressure. Get you a good bottle of supplements or an extract containing more mycelium of these mushrooms and try it. There may be hypertension controlling compounds in the other mushrooms that isn't known, but there are quite a few studies backing those four.

Worth trying (actually before you even take any mushroom supplements), get a bottle of rock solid fish oil and start taking that daily. Studies galore behind this one, fish oil is great for a lot of things and our bodies need the EPA and DHA anyways.


Im certain your doctor will see your BP drop after you've been taking maitake, reishi, cordyceps, and shiitake. Maitake in particular is great, it will also slow down the production of harmful cholesterols while allowing healthy cholesterol to flourish. The chaga mushroom is also worth looking into, its a medicinal beast and was treasured in Russia for a very long time.

Any good mushroom supplement you buy should contain all of these mushrooms, and you're going to want all of them not just one daily because the poly saccharides and other compounds vary from mushroom to mushroom although their mechanism of action is similar.
 
It's funny you say Sloan Kettering endorses your ideas when this is the first thing that pops up on their site:

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15357 said:
Hey, do you know any mushrooms that would help me lower my blood pressure a bit? My BP is borderline hypertension levels, and thats not very helpful towards getting a job and taking the physicals for officer recruitment.

Google isn't very helpful, all it has is psychedelic stuff.
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hypertension at such a young age?

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all work and no play makes Numbers a dull boy
all work and no play makes Numbers a dull boy
all work and no play makes Numbers a dull boy
all work and no play makes Numbers a dull boy
all work and no play makes Numbers a dull boy
all work and no play makes Numbers a dull boy
 
That is a disclaimer, its a law that they display that.
It's often given along with medical advice.
 
thefiznut said:
That is a disclaimer, its a law that they display that.
It's often given along with medical advice.
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No it's not law. It's so if someone dies or is hurt because of their information they won't be held liable. That implies that they think there is a potential of death or injury in the information they provide, yet you are here pretending that is not the case.

I mean I can't tell if Virus was being serious when he posted originally but if he was that shows you how dangerous your advice can be. "Hey bro, there are some mushrooms growing out back, should I eat them?"
 
No Limit said:
No it's not law. It's so if someone dies or is hurt because of their information they won't be held liable. That implies that they think there is a potential of death or injury in the information they provide, yet you are here pretending that is not the case.
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Okay, it's not the law to do so, but it is incredibly smart from a financial, business, and legal standpoint. And it's not as if any company selling health products would ever ever ever say something like "The products we sell are 100% guaranteed to never cause an ailment, go hog-wild!"

I mean I can't tell if Virus was being serious when he posted originally but if he was that shows you how dangerous your advice can be. "Hey bro, there are some mushrooms growing out back, should I eat them?"
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I like the part where you imply that fiznut is telling us to eat random fungi instead of specific species from a medical supplement store that thousands of people have taken before for their scientifically-demonstrated health benefits.
 
Believe whatever you want. They help me, and will help others.

Go ahead and try eating fish oil or the mushroom supplements I do for two months then stop.. I dare you. You will see the difference in how your body feels. If it does nothing then you won't have to continue or read my thread ever again.

Omega 3 fatty acids are real, and fish oil is one of the best sources.
Your body uses them in many ways, it is well supported, not bad science.
Beta-glucans are real, and your body does respond to them. I'm sorry you guys find this so hard to believe. The many other compounds I have described on this thread are very much real, and do not exist solely in mushrooms.
 
Someone's never heard of placebo? Or perhaps thinks that the presence of a particular compound thought to have a particular effect in isolation as part of a food containing millions of different chemicals is as good as a large scale well-controlled clinical trial?
 
No Limit said:
It's funny you say Sloan Kettering endorses your ideas when this is the first thing that pops up on their site:
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Stigmata said:
Okay, it's not the law to do so, but it is incredibly smart from a financial, business, and legal standpoint. And it's not as if any company selling health products would ever ever ever say something like "The products we sell are 100% guaranteed to never cause an ailment, go hog-wild!"


I like the part where you imply that fiznut is telling us to eat random fungi instead of specific species from a medical supplement store that thousands of people have taken before for their scientifically-demonstrated health benefits.
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Actually, because Sloan Kettering is a medical center than performs experiments, trials, and treatments with alternative medicines, they are required by law to publish and present disclaimers to their patients and people. The FDA requires all supplements in the U.S. to label their disclaimer on bottles for the same reason. It's all an act of legal protection against bad advice, one big protective order. But the conclusion that the disclaimer discredits the information is quite a leap. Christ man, just read the pages and if you know anything at all about the immune system it will make sense.
There are many cancer survivors alive today thanks to mushrooms, as weird and exotic as it sounds. The aforementioned American mycologist, Paul Stamets, owes his own mother's life to the mushrooms his research team cultivates. You really think chemotherapy alone would have reversed stage four melanoma when it had metastasized throughout her body and enlarged 6 lymph nodes the size of baseballs? Why don't you email him about his mom, i'm sure he wouldn't mind talking to you about it because she's very much alive and happy at almost 90 years old. His story isn't the only one..

And thanks Stig, never in this thread did I ever suggest someone go pick wild mushrooms and eat them without proper guidance or knowledge. That's a one way ticket to mycotoxin hell should you stumble upon the wrong Amanita or cap.
 
The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'.
 
Yes, it's placebo alright when most global research finds positive correlations between mushrooms and immune response with every study finding the same mechanism of action by the same type of molecule. You'd be hard pressed to find studies that showed negligible or no difference in test subjects. While some studies were not placebo controlled, the vast majority of them were, and most were conducted at very well known and large institutions. Tokyo Medical University, Oslo Hospital, you know.. I suppose they're a joke and we can't trust their science.

Two compounds I mentioned earlier are already in Japanese and European clinical testing, Lentinan and Polysaccharide-K. This is because they display anti-tumor and anti-cancer abilities.
 
Excellent, I'll await for the results of clinical testing. Because, y'know, it's the only really informative way of finding out how they work, the efficacy and what side-effects are present if any.

Still, feel free to become super-duper excited about correlations between a compound and a marker.
 
Yeah, but it has at least one useful recommendation:

You are hereby advised to consult with a physician or other professional health-care provider prior to making any decisions, or undertaking any actions or not undertaking any actions related to any health care problem or issue you might have at any time, now or in the future.
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it works for me, I feel like I'm 13 again with raging bonors and healthier skin. I also don't sweat as much and people have noticed changes in my mood. you guys should try it, there really isn't anything you'll lose but a little bit of money.
 
Hey i'm eating them and feel the exact same way. So stop knocking us with your placebo shit.
Oh, and I have a skin disorder that it helps significantly with. No medication i've ever taken has been this effective in controlling my inflammation responses.
 
Oh wow you feel the same way? Almost as if you might also experiencing a placebo effect?
Craaazy!
 
Perhaps you should leave this thread, it serves no purpose for you any longer other than a platform to mock others successes. Perhaps you'd be more into it if you found something that helps your suffering. I'd be more welcome to your criticism if you had any response at all other than not reading my thread full of information then retorting with placebo remarks for everything. Why not be helpful and find studies that disprove? Good luck though, there's only a handful out of the hundreds.

Seriously man, just leave.
 
Stigmata said:
Okay, it's not the law to do so, but it is incredibly smart from a financial, business, and legal standpoint. And it's not as if any company selling health products would ever ever ever say something like "The products we sell are 100% guaranteed to never cause an ailment, go hog-wild!"
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I haven't seen very many sites that have you agree to such terms before you can even enter. Look at WebMD, they don't even do this. Obviously they have a terms of service but they don't have you agree before you enter. When a site does that they know the harm they could cause without such a disclaimer.
I like the part where you imply that fiznut is telling us to eat random fungi instead of specific species from a medical supplement store that thousands of people have taken before for their scientifically-demonstrated health benefits.
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I didn't imply he is telling us to eat random mushrooms. What I'm saying is many people will read this different ways (or skim through it different ways). And when it comes to mushrooms this isn't to be taken lightly, you eat the wrong one and you're dead. Even suggesting that someone use a guide to identify mushrooms in the wild is extremely dangerous and actually doing it is insane.

Eejit said:
Oh wow you feel the same way? Almost as if you might also experiencing a placebo effect?
Craaazy!
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Ditto:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124367058
 
Oh I'm sorry I thought skepticism was a valid position, but it seems only credulity is acceptable.
 
What on earth are you on about?
I have no problem with skepticism, but when I post a thread full of pubmed abstracts which seem to explain repeatable phenomena then you just call me a fool for not understanding placebo, it gets hard to digest.

I'm a hard skeptic as well, but its hard to be a ****ing skeptic when I feel so much better after introducing mushroom mycelium into my diet. Looking in the mirror isn't so difficult anymore either. THAT is the difference. It relieved my SUFFERING, so stop mocking me for it.
 
You don't seem to grasp the difference between a clinical demonstration of effectiveness of the mushrooms and in vitro studies looking at a single compound at a time and its effect on one or two isolated markers.
You can draw no conclusions from the latter with regards to clinical effectiveness.
 
thefiznut said:
Sure do! :)

The Maitake, Reishi, Cordyceps sinensis, Shiitake, and Hiratake mushrooms are known to regulate blood pressure. Get you a good bottle of supplements or an extract containing more mycelium of these mushrooms and try it. There may be hypertension controlling compounds in the other mushrooms that isn't known, but there are quite a few studies backing those four.

Worth trying (actually before you even take any mushroom supplements), get a bottle of rock solid fish oil and start taking that daily. Studies galore behind this one, fish oil is great for a lot of things and our bodies need the EPA and DHA anyways.


Im certain your doctor will see your BP drop after you've been taking maitake, reishi, cordyceps, and shiitake. Maitake in particular is great, it will also slow down the production of harmful cholesterols while allowing healthy cholesterol to flourish. The chaga mushroom is also worth looking into, its a medicinal beast and was treasured in Russia for a very long time.

Any good mushroom supplement you buy should contain all of these mushrooms, and you're going to want all of them not just one daily because the poly saccharides and other compounds vary from mushroom to mushroom although their mechanism of action is similar.
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Hey, thanks a lot. I don't want to have to start taking beta-blockers just for the physicals, and if this helps, I owe you. :D

Also, I doubt that BP lowering is a result of a placebo effect.

EDIT: HOLY SHIT Maitake is expensive. $250 for 300mg?

CptStern said:
hypertension at such a young age?

all work and no play makes Numbers a dull boy
all work and no play makes Numbers a dull boy
all work and no play makes Numbers a dull boy
all work and no play makes Numbers a dull boy
all work and no play makes Numbers a dull boy
all work and no play makes Numbers a dull boy
all work and no play makes Numbers a dull boy
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Lol yeah. Also, my BP is normal when I sleep; I had a 24-hour BP test done and stuff. Its when I wake up that causes all those problems.
 
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