medicinal mushrooms

[Warped]

You don't seem to grasp the difference between a clinical demonstration of effectiveness of the mushrooms and in vitro studies looking at a single compound at a time and its effect on one or two isolated markers.
You can draw no conclusions from the latter with regards to clinical effectiveness.

And just like all these other studies that say one thing and switch it the next year. For Example, "a glass of wine everyday is good for you" next year: "wine can give you cancer" the next year: "drink in moderation" the next year: "drink a glass of wine"

I for one like these mushrooms. People have noticed a change in me, and say I look more alive. I have more color in my face and people have noticed. I've even been more indoors than ever before this summer and I'm still feeling much stronger and my allergies aren't as rough. all these people around me are calling in sick for work and I'm still going strong. no offense but get your foot out of your damn mouth

 

[Danimal]

Kefir is pretty amazing stuff, don't knock it 'till you try it etc.

 

[Stigmata]

Eejit, you give skeptics a bad name.

 

[lame-o]

This sounds interesting. I've been dabbling in health-shit lately because I have eczema and just feel like crap all the time, plus my mom started getting into it buying healthy teas, foods, and cosmetics. She's kind of turned into a health-nut and I guess it's rubbing off on me...

Anyways, can you buy these kinds of supplements in any pharmaceutical store? Or do you have to buy online?

PS You usually don't have to worry about dieing if you eat an inedible mushroom, usually you'll just have stomach problems and most of the extremely deadly ones are the kinds of mushrooms you wouldn't want to touch either.

 

[thefiznut]

I don't think I want Sulkdodds in my house anymore but I'm not sure how to tell him, do you have any medicinal mushrooms that I can put in his full ****ing English breakfasts to take care of this little problem? Also if you could respond quickly enough that he doesn't see this post that would be just great, thanks

A psilocybe cyanescens induced mania could make him flee. Try stuffing them into his muffin.
(Disclaimer: I am joking.)

 

[Warped]

Also these mushrooms keep me regular. I used to suffer from Constipation frequently now I feel much better all the time. There pills are in my mind, are very safe and effective. well worth the money and i've seen results just a few weeks in

 

[Kaptain H]

After reading this thread, I think I'll stick with my colloidal silver.

 

[thefiznut]

You take colloidal silver?
I've read about it, not sure how I feel about it.
My skeptic mind doesn't trust it.
How have you benefited from colloidal silver?

 

[Dekstar]

You take colloidal silver?
I've read about it, not sure how I feel about it.
My skeptic mind doesn't trust it.
How have you benefited from colloidal silver?

My dad (almost 80 now) swears by it. He's still pretty spry at his age.

 

[thefiznut]

This sounds interesting. I've been dabbling in health-shit lately because I have eczema and just feel like crap all the time, plus my mom started getting into it buying healthy teas, foods, and cosmetics. She's kind of turned into a health-nut and I guess it's rubbing off on me...

Anyways, can you buy these kinds of supplements in any pharmaceutical store? Or do you have to buy online?

PS You usually don't have to worry about dieing if you eat an inedible mushroom, usually you'll just have stomach problems and most of the extremely deadly ones are the kinds of mushrooms you wouldn't want to touch either.

I buy mine from iherb.com and i'm soon switching over to supplements by mushroomharvest.com. The owner is a botanist specializing in mycology and cultivates organic and potent strains of mushrooms. His supplements are standardized to 20% beta-glucan polysaccharides. There are three local whole/health food stores where I live who stock Paul Stamets' supplements as well as others by different companies, all good quality and from honest supplement manufacturers.

And yes, the irrational fear of mushrooms is pretty common. The truth is that there are very few species of mushrooms out of the long list that are actually poisonous, and they are easily identified by their characteristics with basic knowledge of what to look for. Veteran mushroom hunters often eat mushrooms classified as "unknowns" and nothing happens, perhaps a weird taste. It's estimated there are many thousands of mushrooms yet unidentified in the wild, so eating any wild mushroom is a risk. But the people in the know will tell you eating unknowns isn't as risky as you would think, after all there just isn't very many inedible mushrooms.

 

[No Limit]

IAnd yes, the irrational fear of mushrooms is pretty common. The truth is that there are very few species of mushrooms out of the long list that are actually poisonous, and they are easily identified by their characteristics with basic knowledge of what to look for. Veteran mushroom hunters often eat mushrooms classified as "unknowns" and nothing happens, perhaps a weird taste. It's estimated there are many thousands of mushrooms yet unidentified in the wild, so eating any wild mushroom is a risk. But the people in the know will tell you eating unknowns isn't as risky as you would think, after all there just isn't very many inedible mushrooms.

Are you ****ing kidding me? Do you have any idea how retarded that paragraph is?

 

[15357]

....Yeah, I'm not sure eating wild mushrooms would result in anything other than painful, untimely death.

 

[Danimal]

^ Two people who have no experience whatsoever believe they know more than someone who clearly has some.

Seriously you guys are reacting to this worst than my conspiracy posts. I can understand your fear of eating unknown mushrooms, of course, but you're in no position to call things retarded with no actual foundation to base it on, Mr. Limit.

 

[No Limit]

You bug me.

Actually I do have experience. Being from Poland picking mushrooms is a bit of a tradition. To suggest eating random mushrooms isn't all that dangerous is ****ing insane. It doesn't take into account countless variables including your geography (may I remind you people that read this are from all parts of the globe?). eating the wrong mushroom could very well kill you. And if you don't know what you are doing you should NEVER EVER eat any mushrooms out in the wild.

 

[Kaptain H]

You take colloidal silver?
I've read about it, not sure how I feel about it.
My skeptic mind doesn't trust it.
How have you benefited from colloidal silver?

Wait, are you serious?

 

[Danimal]

You bug me.

Actually I do have experience. Being from Poland picking mushrooms is a bit of a tradition. To suggest eating random mushrooms isn't all that dangerous is ****ing insane. It doesn't take into account countless variables including your geography (may I remind you people that read this are from all parts of the globe?). eating the wrong mushroom could very well kill you. And if you don't know what you are doing you should NEVER EVER eat any mushrooms out in the wild.

Of course, he didn't say someone with no knowledge should do it.

And yes, the irrational fear of mushrooms is pretty common. The truth is that there are very few species of mushrooms out of the long list that are actually poisonous, and they are easily identified by their characteristics with basic knowledge of what to look for. Veteran mushroom hunters often eat mushrooms classified as "unknowns" and nothing happens, perhaps a weird taste. It's estimated there are many thousands of mushrooms yet unidentified in the wild, so eating any wild mushroom is a risk. But the people in the know will tell you eating unknowns isn't as risky as you would think, after all there just isn't very many inedible mushrooms.

"Veteran Mushroom Hunters" obviously know the universal signs of a poisonous mushroom, I doubt they're going to grab an 'unknown' riddled with tell-tale signs, no?

 

[No Limit]

Read the beginning of this thread. People read and skim through things in different ways. He actually suggested eating "unknown mushrooms" isn't all that dangerous since there are very little dangerous mushrooms out there.

 

[Danimal]

You should perhaps quote what you're referring to at the beginning of the thread then, lol. I figured you were referring to that paragraph specifically.

 

[No Limit]

I was talking about virus asking if he should eat some shrooms in his backyard. I dunno if he was serious, but many people don't understand the dangers. I edited my post above to explain in more detail my issue. By saying there are very little species of mushrooms in the wild that can kill you totally misses the point and paints a very dangerous and false picture.

 

[lame-o]

All I was saying when this all started is that it dieing from eating poisonous mushrooms isn't as woopdeedoodah as people think. Especially in the little brown mushroom kingdom, where there are hundreds of thousands of different species. All differently toxic or even non-toxic. If you just ran out there and ate the first mushroom you'd see you probably wouldn't die, either nothing would really happen or you'd get pretty sick for a few days. But yes, don't ****ing eat random mushrooms because you very well may die.

 

[Warped]

the way I look at it the situation: hey someone has to try it sooner or later. why not an expert with some curiosity. ain't any different than some serf eating the food before a king does, but in this case, we the people we're the king

 

[thefiznut]

Yeah, you'd have a better chance getting hit by a car than you would picking random wild mushrooms that are "unknowns". Look people, it's the truth and I learned it from reading books by master cultivators and mycologists. There are only a handful of poisonous mushrooms out of the thousands we know of, and you won't have to try hard to identify them before you eat them.

But where out of all of this did I ever actually suggest you eat a random wild mushroom without identifying it?

 

[thefiznut]

Wait, are you serious?

In a way, yes. Colloidal silver does kill bacteria extremely well in test tubes and was widely used an a primitive anti-biotic early in the century. But unlike mushrooms there's not a mass of global research pointing in the direction of its efficacy. Mushrooms are simple though, beta-glucans play a modulatory role in animal immune systems. But this isn't new, oats and even yeast contain beta-glucans as well. Don't believe me, read up.

http://www.nutritionj.com/content/6/1/6

Oh, and hey.. Beta-glucan, yes the polysaccharides i've been so insistent on this entire thread, could very well help with many conditions. They're functional, their composition vary widely from source to source, and the body uses them in various ways. So while oat beta-glucan fiber can regulate cholesterol (hey, the FDA loves this fact), mushrooms produce beta-glucan for a different purpose, likely protection more than anything.

Hey this is not surprising either, mushrooms just like plants produce compounds in their life cycles that defend them from disease and infection. They're REALLY good at it, and some species can live for a very long time while preventing their own biological decay. We're talking hundreds of years of resisting rot and infections all while dominating their chosen wild substrate.

 

[Eejit]

Eejit, you give skeptics a bad name.

They rest of you aren't properly skeptical. :arms:

And just like all these other studies that say one thing and switch it the next year. For Example, "a glass of wine everyday is good for you" next year: "wine can give you cancer" the next year: "drink in moderation" the next year: "drink a glass of wine"

Thanks for agreeing with my point. Case-control studies or cohort studies such as those (a standard this mushroom data only reaches in a couple of instances) aren't anywhere near as effective as proper placebo-controlled double-blind randomised trials.

 

[No Limit]

Yeah, you'd have a better chance getting hit by a car than you would picking random wild mushrooms that are "unknowns". Look people, it's the truth and I learned it from reading books by master cultivators and mycologists. There are only a handful of poisonous mushrooms out of the thousands we know of, and you won't have to try hard to identify them before you eat them.

But where out of all of this did I ever actually suggest you eat a random wild mushroom without identifying it?

You just suggested that eating wild mushrooms isn't all that dangerous. Your suggestion that you have a better chance of being hit by a car is again totally insane. If you are out in the wild eating wild mushrooms without knowing what you are doing then it is very likely you will get sick and your chances of being killed are much higher than that of getting killed by a car.

And identifying mushrooms isn't something that is simple to do. If the only experiance you have with mushroom identification is some link fiznut gave you don't be an idiot by picking wild mushrooms. There are thousands of species and many of them are extremely poisonous.

 

[Warped]

They rest of you aren't properly skeptical. :arms:

Thanks for agreeing with my point. Case-control studies or cohort studies such as those (a standard this mushroom data only reaches in a couple of instances) aren't anywhere near as effective as proper placebo-controlled double-blind randomised trials.

proof or no proof, I know in my own life the past few weeks have been much better than the last two years. I've being invited to parties (something haven't done in a long time) people are asking me why I am glowing (with color) vs my usual pale white, and overall I feel like a kid just hitting puberty again. I swear on my mother's grave this shit works. Just like someone swears weed will get you high its the same shit. I don't need some guy in a lab testing me to tell me its working or not.

 

[Raziaar]

I was talking about virus asking if he should eat some shrooms in his backyard. I dunno if he was serious, but many people don't understand the dangers. I edited my post above to explain in more detail my issue. By saying there are very little species of mushrooms in the wild that can kill you totally misses the point and paints a very dangerous and false picture.

Yep. Best not to even touch them if you are not 100% confident what they are and if they are safe... because even touching them can prove to be fatal in some situations.

One is deadly, one is safe to eat. Can you figure it out? DON'T PICK WILD MUSHROOMS.

Again... one is deadly, one is edible. Confusing.

 

[Warped]

I'd eat the orange one, lol

 

[Danimal]

There's most likely different colourations when you bruise the different mushrooms.

At least that's how you tell the difference between magic mushrooms and just regular dreg mushrooms.

 

[thefiznut]

You just suggested that eating wild mushrooms isn't all that dangerous. Your suggestion that you have a better chance of being hit by a car is again totally insane. If you are out in the wild eating wild mushrooms without knowing what you are doing then it is very likely you will get sick and your chances of being killed are much higher than that of getting killed by a car.

And identifying mushrooms isn't something that is simple to do. If the only experiance you have with mushroom identification is some link fiznut gave you don't be an idiot by picking wild mushrooms. There are thousands of species and many of them are extremely poisonous.

Only 2% of the thousands are actually produce mycotoxins, and only 1% are life threatening. So no, it is not nearly as unsafe as you are suggesting.

 

[No Limit]

Only 2% of the thousands are actually produce mycotoxins, and only 1% are life threatening. So no, it is not nearly as unsafe as you are suggesting.

And where do those 1% reside? Are they more common in certain areas than others? For you to make such a statement without any kind of context is absolutely absurd.

 

[Raziaar]

The mushrooms that are toxic look very much like the ones that aren't toxic, and you need to be an expert to distinguish them.

 

[Eejit]

You realise that the percentage of species which are poisonous is completely irrelevant to No Limit's argument, right fiznut?

Spoiler

Fat chance

 

[Mogi67]

I just tripped on mushrooms the other day, it was brilliant. It was so clear outside, the stars were out, and I actually saw a shooting star. It was incredible. I think everyone should experience psilocybin. Also. If you do, listen to My Bloody Valentine's Loveless, it's great music to trip to since it's so vague

 

[No Limit]

Yeah, everybody loves shrooms until they get a really bad trip where they do some really stupid shit.

 

[unozero]

thread closes 3,2,1

 

[Mogi67]

Yeah, everybody loves shrooms until they get a really bad trip where they do some really stupid shit.

Set and setting. I was in a very comfortable setting with close friends. It's not the shrooms hat give a person a bad trip, it's their own mind. If someone's not in a healthy state of mind or is unstable, then they shouldn't be tripping. I've had bad experiences with hallucinogens as well as incredible ones, and they've all made me a better person.

 

[thefiznut]

Yes, the 2% figure is relevant because when there's thousands on species and only a handful are poisonous, the chances of you actually eating a poisonous mushroom are not significant. It's a chance though, but you are greatly exaggerating it. And why on earth you guys still think I am suggesting you actually eat a wild unidentified is beyond me, I clearly stated above I do NOT suggest this whatsoever. But regardless of this, its a FACT that many cultures in the world are highly phobic of mushrooms and it is a FACT that mushroom poisoning from eating wild mushrooms is rare: even the amateur and professional mushroom hunters eat Unknowns often and without harm.

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There's Paul Stamets companies phone number and email. They're master cultivator mycologist and know what they're talking about when it comes to fungi. They will tell you themselves that what I am saying above is true: mushroom mycotoxins are RARE in nature, almost always fungi develops beneficial and mutual (not malicious) symbiotic relationships with other organisms.


Lastly, to address your claim that because toxic mushrooms resemble non-toxic mushrooms, they are more dangerous.. This is in part true, if you're not using identifying them whatsoever (if you're doing this, you're just asking for trouble anyway - moot point). However, toxic mushrooms resemble large groups of like-bodied mushrooms, and because of this you can easily avoid many of the toxic mushrooms by simply just not eating anything that resembles them. The Amanitas, LBMs (Little Brown), and Jack-O-Lantern all fit the bill for this. So hey, maybe you'll miss out on eating the safe little browns and neat-o amanita mushrooms, but at least you're extremely unlikely to get sick.
With thousands more species of mushrooms you're not missing much anyhow. There really aren't that many more mushrooms that are known to be poisonous. And no, you do not have to be an "expert" identifier to figure out whats inedible and what is, you just need to do the proper identification like everyone else using guides, charts and keys, then you're good to go. LBMs are common in people's front yards because of mulch and wood chips thrown everywhere, so jesus people just don't go hunting in your front yard if you're really that scared.

Oh, and about mushrooms being common in some areas and not in others. At first glance it sounded like a valid point, but if you're identifying your mushrooms and it resembles a known toxic mushroom you still shouldn't try and eat it. It doesn't matter how many there are growing in a particular region or landscape, identifying your shrooms will keep to quite safe, at least much much safer than you guys are trying to suggest.

But don't take it from me, ask the mycologists who study them. They'll tell you how rare toxic mushrooms can be. Or watch the documentary called "Know Your Mushrooms" and learn more about their wonders. That film also discusses mycophobia (yes, you brits are considered one of most phobic cultures on the planet), and how its actually much safer than you think to go mushroom hunting and enjoy a fine meal.


I feel compelled to say this again because a few of you keep reiterating the same criticism: I, fiznut, do not condone eating unidentified wild mushrooms. This does not mean its a death-wish to take a chance on one, you really are more likely to die of many other injuries.

 

[thefiznut]

This is fungi speaking,
on behalf of the planet.

We have utilized thefiznut,
for communication with the world.
To you we say, hello.

 

[Eejit]

Yes, the 2% figure is relevant because when there's thousands on species and only a handful are poisonous, the chances of you actually eating a poisonous mushroom are not significant.

So the chance of eating a particular species is based entirely on how many other species exist rather than how commonly it is found? :afro: