Michael Bay: No Transformers 2

[Asknoone]

you should follow the same guideline then,you go in to a thread about a Movie/game you don't like saying how stupid it is,then you call people names when they say they they enjoyed the movie/game.
Why the **** is this good news to you that they are not making Transformers2? If you don't like the franchise then you don't have to watch it,same thing goes for games like Crysis,nobody is forcing you to play it.

See, I almost went and pointed out why this is inane, but you went and did it yourself.

"If you don't like the thread, don't post"

Check out the word 'thread'. I have no problem with the thread, it's the topic that I have an opinion on, and the idea behind the thread is to post an opinion on it. What I was saying to Que was that if he doesn't like what Stern is posting - because it is just that, Stern - don't post at all, because it isn't in relation to the thread. This is not a "I LOVE TRANSFORMERS" thread; this is a "NO TRANSFORMERS 2" thread, wherein I'm very much allowed to say "**** YES. MICHAEL BAY BLOWS. HOPE HE DOESN'T **** UP ANOTHER MOVIE."

You see?

Think before you post, and save lives.

 

[Asuka]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6233

Lol.

 

[Asknoone]

SHIT NEWS.

As a director, I'm all about people seeing films in the best quality possible.

Haha. Ha.

 

[Unfocused]

When did people stop enjoying brainless movies with stuff blowing up? I enjoyed Transformers - stuff blew up for about 2 hours, big robots smashed each other and turned into sexy cars. Did anyone really expect anything else?

I didn't and I enjoyed the movie

What's with that "excellent news" attitude? It's not like anyone will force you to watch it.

 

[Absinthe]

I believe it's due to a perceived waste of potential.

Transformers movie!

With Michael Bay!
D:
Transformers sequel without Michael Bay!

Woops, sorry.
D:

 

[Sparta]

When did people stop enjoying brainless movies with stuff blowing up? I enjoyed Transformers - stuff blew up for about 2 hours, big robots smashed each other and turned into sexy cars. Did anyone really expect anything else?

I have no complaints about that. As long as its handled with skill and competency.

Transformers was not. Sure the special effects were awesome. The directing however, sucked. I've episodes of Lost that have been directed better. Matter of fact, i've seen episodes of C.S.I. that rival Transformers. And CSI is complete shit.

It really gets to me when people like Darkside say so blindly and blatantly that Transformers(Or any summer blockbuster) is one of the best films ever when it shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as films like "Schindlers List" or "Citizen Kane".

****in tripe.

 

[Warbie]

Sure. It was never going to be a great movie. The Special effects and a childhood love of Transformers were enough for me to enjoy the time spent. tbh I was having ebough fun making tranfsorming noises everytime they transformed.

 

[CptStern]

see I can get into making transforming sonds during the movie ..or yelling at the screen or laughing at Bay's seriousness

I'd go see it if it had a cult following like Led Zeppelin's The Song remains the Same ..it used to be showed at repertoire theaters where the audience would say things in unison during particular scenes ...so if everybody said "robots in disguise" in a robotic voice every time a gobot transformed it might be worth the $8.50 admission price ..of course I'd have to smoke a fatty or drink a mickey before the show started

 

[Absinthe]

I have no complaints about that. As long as its handled with skill and competency.

Transformers was not. Sure the special effects were awesome. The directing however, sucked. I've episodes of Lost that have been directed better. Matter of fact, i've seen episodes of C.S.I. that rival Transformers. And CSI is complete shit.

It really gets to me when people like Darkside say so blindly and blatantly that Transformers(Or any summer blockbuster) is one of the best films ever when it shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as films like "Schindlers List" or "Citizen Kane".

****in tripe.

QFE x 100 ad nauseum

People seriously aren't paying attention. Everybody knew and expected Transformers to be an action movie, and the complaints leveled against it bear this in mind. As an action movie, I still found it shoddy. Spastic direction, bad pacing, and the inherent awesomeness of big robot battles diluted with poor human characters and teeny-bopper humor. Seriously, who the **** entered the theatre wanting to see Shia LaBeouf pining for omghighschoolhotty?

 

[knut]

It really gets to me when people like Darkside say so blindly and blatantly that Transformers(Or any summer blockbuster) is one of the best films ever when it shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as films like "Schindlers List" or "Citizen Kane".

****in tripe.

Well it shouldn't get you at all because that's his opinion. It really gets to me when people can't see that. If we're going to be like that I could just do the same to you about Citizen Kane, but I'm not because I know how silly and backwards it is to rise to these sort of things. Just got to let them fly by.

(For the record, I don't like either of those, or Transformers.)

 

[Sparta]

Well its more the fanboy side of him thats acts like its bonafide guaranteed fact that its the best film ever that really gets to me. Especially when the direction is so terribly inept. Bah

Oh well.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Man, this thread went like super-angry! Dudes, chill out!

 

[Darkside55]

Darkside...reading your posts on transformers is almost painful...it's shit. Yes, the Special effects were quite impressive, but that's it. Horrible acting, horrible writing ( did anyone fact check the films depth of the ocean/carbon dating claims), horrible directing, ridiculous plot holes etc etc etc. I give this film about 1 year until it dips into irrelevancy..when the next big blockbuster comes out and it's effects are a year out of date.

Everyone had a favorite show as a child( I liked ninja turtles) but most people grow out of it....watch being john Malcovich and tell me that TF is a better movie...

I may never understand why people "grow out of things." I thoroughly enjoyed my childhood, and it just so happens that I enjoy the same things I like now that I like then. Well, some things get filtered through nostalgia glasses, I will admit...Voltron for example, which I used to love, I recently found to my dismay that the show is, in fact, complete garbage. To counter that I've started watching Saber Rider again, which is complete AWESOME.

Do people pass an age limit where they're just like, "Man I'm too old to enjoy things I liked as a kid?" And why? Eh, I'll never get it. But I tell you what, Being John Malkovich never embodied anybody's childhood. I didn't cry during that movie.

I cried twice during Transformers. And if a movie makes me cry, then it's good. And this one actually has the distinction of making me cry out of pure joy. Usually I cry when a movie is particularly sad or touching, or inspiring; these were tears of pure, manly joy. Being John Malkovich my ass.

I dont intend to ..those type of movies bore me to tears ..dont get me wrong I like action movies, Indiana jones is stil one of fave movies as is Bladerunner ...however this isnt even in the same league as those two movies ..it's just all loud noice and big set pieces like every other Bay movie, he puts the popcorn in "popcorn movies" ... it's the equivilent of a sloppy mcdonalds hamburger when what you actually want is fillet mignon

I get your point, but I just want to say that as I child I used to have filet mignon once a week. I still enjoyed burgers more.

if you look closely I never discuss the plot or chracters ..it's the premise that is shallow, it's the creatives behind the movie that are suspect

If that's your opinion. Personally I don't think transforming robots from another world is enough in itself to be called shallow, but that's me.

once you've had a mcdonalds hamburger all big name fast food tastes the same

Once again I get the metaphor, but tbh that isn't true. As a guy who's gone traveled parts of the US just to grab a burger, some of those being at fast food stands, I can tell you that isn't true. In fact there's this nice little chain up in Oregon called Burgerville...

I'm not hating anything ..and yes, the director is a master of schlock

Said it before, don't care about the director's past. I really don't. Only thing that mattered to me was that he did Transformers well. I won't even vouch for his previous movies or any of his future movies based on this one. You know for that matter maybe Transformers 2 won't be that good. I don't know. I don't care about the director, what his name means. F*ckin' Ang Lee directed Crouching Tiger, didn't he? And then he made Hulk. What does that tell you about directors?

...HULK, man! F*ck.


The goddamned Hulk movie. I mean what the f*ck, Ang Lee?

yet you say no other film touches it ..well no you admit it's not fine cinema ..and that's where your argument falls apart

Fine cinema's overrated. My argument can fall apart all it wants anyway, I don't care. The ultimate point is this: to me, this was the second greatest movie of all time. I've watched fine film. I've watched indie films. I've watched shit from Cannes, I've watched award winners, documentaries, foreign cinema. I've watched things like The Man on the Train. Goddamn that movie was beautiful. But nothing beats Transformers. NOTHING.

doubtful it has everything I dont like in a movie

Can't please everyone, unfortunately. Can't force people to try something either.

again I'm more decrying the director and the premise more than the movie itself ...cuz I havent seen it, natch

GOD DAMN IT, ANG LEE! He's the Hulk, dude. You don't even have to do anything but show two hours of him smashing shit up. FFS the material writes itself.

Doesn't mean I don't enjoy Crouching Tiger any less. And I know what you're gonna say: "This is different, that's one movie versus Michael Bay doing a bunch of movies that're the exact same thing and they've all been terrible except maybe the Rock." (You might not say that last part) But isn't it conceivably possible he made a good movie? Monkeys on typewriters, you know. Odds of probability. But then again you probably wouldn't like it anyway.

ok, you're just playijng devil's advocate because no sane person could ever say that with any sort of conviction ..what if transformers2 is better? will you then say it's the best movie "ever"? ..but to even suggest that it's up there with citizen Kane or casablanca or the thin man, or hell even Being John Malchovich (excellent movie btw) is just utterly rediculous

Citizen Kane. How many times must I tell you people about Citizen Kane?! Orson Welles only died after Unicron. A man lives by his will alone; will carries a man through life. The urge to live. And when a man has a purpose, his will carries him until that end is achieved, else he dies in the attempt. Orson Welles had a passion for directing, writing, and acting. Did he die after Citizen Kane? NO! He died after Transformers because he saw his life was complete, and therefore the fire went out of him and he was at peace.

F*ck Citizen Kane. You dishonor a dead man's memory by claiming it was his finest work when clearly you know nothing of him. Orson Welles was not a man to be remembered as the director for some boring, boorish, pretentious piece of crap that should be piled into the fire along with Rosebud. All the copies of Citizen Kane could be destroyed, and who would lament? Welles? Critics? So called, "fans of cinema?" PRETENTIOUS ART FAGS, that's who! Sitting around the university lounge in their black beanies and shades discussing the nuances of the movie with so much high-nosed air. Well f*ck them, and f*ck Citizen Kane.

I remember Orson Welles as he should be remembered: a planet that devours everything in its path. A god from before recorded time, trapped in a cage of steel by his brother and arch-nemesis Primus, trapped for countless millenia wherein he learned to twist and reshape his prison into that of a massive, transforming machine designed, nay, DESTINED, to devour the universe. All shall become one with Unicron or be lost to the void. That's a fitting way to remember any man, I'd say.

have you seen every movie ever made? how does it compare to la Dolce Vita? how about the bicycle thief? how about Vertigo, or On the Waterfront?

I do not need to see every movie ever made to know they are of no comparison. Fellini or Hitchcock, compared to Transformers? It is to laugh. Oh, good movies you listed to be sure, but of no comparison.

oh come you cant be serious, try bringing that up in a college film course, try presenting your case to the American Film Institute, they'd laugh you out the door ..please if you truely are of that opinion you've just invalidated yourself from ever making a worthwhile commentary on film n general ..Transformers is NOT an accurate measuring stick for film

Lol art fags. College film course...you know what a college film course will tell you? Have you ever been enrolled in a film course at a university? Have you ever been a film major, have you?

A college film course can never tell you how to truly appreciate a movie, or what movies to appreciate. It's all subjective. All it teaches you is how to be a cinema snob. I can be a snob, Stern. You can be a snob. Anyone can be a snob. I'll tell you what you should like and why you should like it, why it's a great work of art, an opus, why you should respect the writer and lick the director's feet and pay homage to the director of photography. Oh, I can tell you all these things, my good capitan.

But what can a snob tell me of giant robots?!

I have no complaints about that. As long as its handled with skill and competency.

Transformers was not. Sure the special effects were awesome. The directing however, sucked. I've episodes of Lost that have been directed better. Matter of fact, i've seen episodes of C.S.I. that rival Transformers. And CSI is complete shit.

It really gets to me when people like Darkside say so blindly and blatantly that Transformers(Or any summer blockbuster) is one of the best films ever when it shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as films like "Schindlers List" or "Citizen Kane".

****in tripe.

Blindly? Pfft. And this isn't just any summer blockbuster. It's Transformers. I sigh with regret as I post this because no one gets it. Maybe you just can't get it. Perhaps it is impossible for you to understand.

I don't know. You know, Sparta said it's the fanboy in me. He's probably the closest to getting it. As a fanboy I'm somewhat predisposed to liking a franchise, but on the other hand I have this innate hatred for anything that would sully the name. Were this movie unworthy then I would be the loudest hater out of all of you. Believe that. How much stuff after 1986 have I hated of the transformers? It's like they'd never catch a break. You know I too once hated on this movie, believe it or not. When the first pictures started showing up? What in the f*ck was with the designs.

And I got ahold of the script. Oh yes, the script, that terrible script with all the f*cking human characters in it. And this, that, and the other thing. Lots of things in the script bothered me.

And the teaser trailer came out and I was like, "Shit."

And then a leaked picture of Megatron. And as someone very in tune with what the most glorious and revered leader of Decepticons in all of Cybertron's history wants, I loudly told anyone who'd listen, "THIS IS NOT WHAT MEGATRON WANTS!"

I'm on a documentary somewhere, a transformers documentary, filmed saying bad things about the movie. The tape's out there somewhere, I don't know. Maybe it'll never see the light of day, but I was a hater.

And then I saw the movie at the premier. Couldn't miss it, you know, even if it might be a bad movie. Had to be there at the premier, didn't I? They brought the movie up in an armored car. It was pretty sweet. And I sat down in the first row, right up in front of the screen as close as I can get.

And the first time Prime transformed it was like someone had taken my entire childhood, all the memories and fun and laughter, all the awe and surprise and wonder, and they compressed it down into five seconds of a CGI truck transforming into a big robot.

And I cried.

 

[CptStern]

I may never understand why people "grow out of things." I thoroughly enjoyed my childhood, and it just so happens that I enjoy the same things I like now that I like then. Well, some things get filtered through nostalgia glasses, I will admit...Voltron for example, which I used to love, I recently found to my dismay that the show is, in fact, complete garbage. To counter that I've started watching Saber Rider again, which is complete AWESOME.

my wife got me Looney tunes collection volume 2 last christmas as a stocking stuffer ..I still watch it with my son ...I have 4 ww2 gi-joes sitting in my office ..and NOT the absolutely crap that was 80's gi-joe ..the real deal

Do people pass an age limit where they're just like, "Man I'm too old to enjoy things I liked as a kid?" And why? Eh, I'll never get it. But I tell you what, Being John Malkovich never embodied anybody's childhood. I didn't cry during that movie.

well duh! what child would even understand it much less show an interest in it ..your comparison is meaningless ...my son liked for awhile Strawberry Shortcake ..does that validate it as a good IP? **** no it's horrid dreck

I cried twice during Transformers.

Death of a robot by Arthur Millerbot ..there's something seriously wrong with you

And if a movie makes me cry, then it's good. And this one actually has the distinction of making me cry out of pure joy. Usually I cry when a movie is particularly sad or touching, or inspiring; these were tears of pure, manly joy.

in your opinion ..I used to cry watching Lassie ..does that make it comparable to Casablanca? ..yes, but only if you're retarded

Being John Malkovich my ass.

so because transformers made you cry and Being John Malkovich didnt that makes it a better movie? perhaps you liked it better but that doesnt mean it's better ...to even compare those 2 movies is utterly retarded ..transformers has ZERO artisitic merit ..I cant believe you're arguing otherwise ..seriously man dont ever comment on film if you are of that opinion ..I absolutely loved Die Hard at the time of release but would I compare it to the Maltese Falcon or Vertigo and hold them up in the same light? **** no that would be retarded, there is no comparison

If that's your opinion. Personally I don't think transforming robots from another world is enough in itself to be called shallow, but that's me.

yes well ......... anyways how can it not be shallow? alien robots come to earth and transform into everyday obects like a transport truck and cassette tape ..why the **** would they do that? why would robot makers create them to transform into alien objects ..it just makes zero sense ..and the fact that the entire premise of the show was to have a 30 minute commercial for a toy AUTOMATICALLY makes it shallow

Once again I get the metaphor, but tbh that isn't true. As a guy who's gone traveled parts of the US just to grab a burger, some of those being at fast food stands, I can tell you that isn't true. In fact there's this nice little chain up in Oregon called Burgerville...

I said big burger joint, you miss my point

Said it before, don't care about the director's past. I really don't. Only thing that mattered to me was that he did Transformers well.

in YOUR opinion ...to everyone else he is a hack ..he is synomanous with summer blockbuster ,,he couldnt do a serious film if he tried ..your opinion is absolutely meaningless because you were a fan prior to the movie therefore you cannot be counted to give a FAIR or balanced review of the film ..because if you did you wouldnt be saying these rediculously mindblowing things

I won't even vouch for his previous movies or any of his future movies based on this one. You know for that matter maybe Transformers 2 won't be that good. I don't know. I don't care about the director, what his name means. F*ckin' Ang Lee directed Crouching Tiger, didn't he? And then he made Hulk. What does that tell you about directors?

...HULK, man! F*ck.


The goddamned Hulk movie. I mean what the f*ck, Ang Lee?

havent seen it, some people say it was good because it put much more depth than what is usually present in superhero movies

Fine cinema's overrated.

your opinion, and name an example of fine cinema ..The Man on the Train is not fine cinema ..it's just a foreign film ..there's a big distinction

The Man on the TrainMy argument can fall apart all it wants anyway, I don't care. The ultimate point is this: to me, this was the second greatest movie of all time.[/quote]

your opinion ..I wouldnt shout it from the rafters if I were you ..might evoke snickering and pointing

I've watched fine film. I've watched indie films. I've watched shit from Cannes, I've watched award winners, documentaries, foreign cinema. I've watched things like The Man on the Train. Goddamn that movie was beautiful. But nothing beats Transformers. NOTHING.

your opinion on film is completely invalidated by that one statement ..personal preference should never come into play when judging the artistic merits of film ..to even suggest that NOTHING touches transformers is just utter lunacy ..what's even WORSE is that you consider the first movie to be the best movie ever made ..even though fans and critics alike called it garbage ..I absolutely love this line from one of the reviews:

"it will dare you to be stupid"

or this one:

"Basically, The Transformers: The Movie features rancid animation techniques, a story that will bore anyone over age 10, and a few overpaid celebrities essaying the lead voices"

Can't please everyone, unfortunately. Can't force people to try something either.

would you really want me to? I'd slice that hack job made by a third rate director to paper thin slices ..would you realy want me to have even more conviction as to why that movie is the celluloid equivilent of pap?

GOD DAMN IT, ANG LEE! He's the Hulk, dude. You don't even have to do anything but show two hours of him smashing shit up. FFS the material writes itself.

Doesn't mean I don't enjoy Crouching Tiger any less. And I know what you're gonna say: "This is different, that's one movie versus Michael Bay doing a bunch of movies that're the exact same thing and they've all been terrible except maybe the Rock." (You might not say that last part)

the rock was utter dreck ..the movie was retarded from beginning to end

But isn't it conceivably possible he made a good movie? Monkeys on typewriters, you know. Odds of probability. But then again you probably wouldn't like it anyway.

I'm a fan of action movies ..GOOD action movies ..***n Lola Run and La Femme Nikita, the magnificent seven/seven samurai, Fistful of dollars, the French Connection, Marathon Man etc are some of my favourites ...I wouldnt dislike it because it's an action movie, I'd dislike it because I'd see it for what it is: a glorified commercial for toys

Citizen Kane. How many times must I tell you people about Citizen Kane?! Orson Welles only died after Unicron. A man lives by his will alone; will carries a man through life. The urge to live. And when a man has a purpose, his will carries him until that end is achieved, else he dies in the attempt. Orson Welles had a passion for directing, writing, and acting. Did he die after Citizen Kane? NO! He died after Transformers because he saw his life was complete, and therefore the fire went out of him and he was at peace.

gibberish

F*ck Citizen Kane. You dishonor a dead man's memory by claiming it was his finest work when clearly you know nothing of him. Orson Welles was not a man to be remembered as the director for some boring, boorish, pretentious piece of crap that should be piled into the fire along with Rosebud. All the copies of Citizen Kane could be destroyed, and who would lament? Welles? Critics? So called, "fans of cinema?" PRETENTIOUS ART FAGS, that's who! Sitting around the university lounge in their black beanies and shades discussing the nuances of the movie with so much high-nosed air. Well f*ck them, and f*ck Citizen Kane.

ok I've tried to be jokingly sarcastic, I've tried to refrain from blasting you for your idiotic point of views ..but now you're just foaming at the mouth and spouting idiotic insults about a film you know nothing of ..the black beanie bit was espefcially retarded ..you're being stupid and overgeneralising ..art fags is what uneducated idiotic people think about when they dont UNDERSTAND what they are looking at ...the entire film community agrees that citizen Kane is the best film ever made because of it's artistic merits ..to put the transformers and michael bay in the same catagory is just utterly rediculous that I have to question whether you're a. mentally fit to weild a computer and B. Old enough tot use a computer

I remember Orson Welles as he should be remembered: a planet that devours everything in its path. A god from before recorded time, trapped in a cage of steel by his brother and arch-nemesis Primus, trapped for countless millenia wherein he learned to twist and reshape his prison into that of a massive, transforming machine designed, nay, DESTINED, to devour the universe. All shall become one with Unicron or be lost to the void. That's a fitting way to remember any man, I'd say.

I'm almost embarrassed for you ..dont mention this sort of stuff in public ..you'll probably be laughed at or worse, beaten up

I do not need to see every movie ever made to know they are of no comparison. Fellini or Hitchcock, compared to Transformers? It is to laugh. Oh, good movies you listed to be sure, but of no comparison.

please explain the artistic merit of the transformers ..oh and go slow I'll have to take breaks in between fits of laughter

Lol art fags. College film course...you know what a college film course will tell you? Have you ever been enrolled in a film course at a university? Have you ever been a film major, have you?

no, it was my minor ..along with visual arts, an art fag if you will (you'd never say that to my face because I'm not one of those beanie wearing "art fags" ..i'm more of a "punching idiots art fag") ..have you ever taken a film course? please dont say yes because then I'll have absolutely no faith in the education system

A college film course can never tell you how to truly appreciate a movie, or what movies to appreciate.

yes they do, thank you, you have reaffirmed my faith for the education system ..at least the post secondard system

It's all subjective. All it teaches you is how to be a cinema snob. I can be a snob, Stern. You can be a snob. Anyone can be a snob. I'll tell you what you should like and why you should like it, why it's a great work of art, an opus, why you should respect the writer and lick the director's feet and pay homage to the director of photography. Oh, I can tell you all these things, my good capitan.

yes but you have no foundation in film to back it up, you havent studied film you cannot see it with a critical eye ..you are a layman, NOT an educator ..oh and I taught visual arts, dont try to lecture me about what is taught in "art fag" school

But what can a snob tell me of giant robots?!

that it's a stupid premise to be made into a film since it was meant to SELL FREAKING TOYS

Blindly? Pfft. And this isn't just any summer blockbuster. It's Transformers. I sigh with regret as I post this because no one gets it. Maybe you just can't get it. Perhaps it is impossible for you to understand.

wtf is there to understand? please clue me into the transformers artistic merit, please tell me about what important message it has to tell ..you're being utterly rediculous

I don't know. You know, Sparta said it's the fanboy in me. He's probably the closest to getting it. As a fanboy I'm somewhat predisposed to liking a franchise, but on the other hand I have this innate hatred for anything that would sully the name. Were this movie unworthy then I would be the loudest hater out of all of you. Believe that. How much stuff after 1986 have I hated of the transformers? It's like they'd never catch a break. You know I too once hated on this movie, believe it or not. When the first pictures started showing up? What in the f*ck was with the designs.

And I got ahold of the script. Oh yes, the script, that terrible script with all the f*cking human characters in it. And this, that, and the other thing. Lots of things in the script bothered me.

And the teaser trailer came out and I was like, "Shit."

And then a leaked picture of Megatron. And as someone very in tune with what the most glorious and revered leader of Decepticons in all of Cybertron's history wants, I loudly told anyone who'd listen, "THIS IS NOT WHAT MEGATRON WANTS!"

I'm on a documentary somewhere, a transformers documentary, filmed saying bad things about the movie. The tape's out there somewhere, I don't know. Maybe it'll never see the light of day, but I was a hater.

And then I saw the movie at the premier. Couldn't miss it, you know, even if it might be a bad movie. Had to be there at the premier, didn't I? They brought the movie up in an armored car. It was pretty sweet. And I sat down in the first row, right up in front of the screen as close as I can get.

And the first time Prime transformed it was like someone had taken my entire childhood, all the memories and fun and laughter, all the awe and surprise and wonder, and they compressed it down into five seconds of a CGI truck transforming into a big robot.

And I cried.

:O ...man it's a children's cartoon made to sell toys ..guys in business suits who dont have a creative bone in their entire body sat around a boardroom table and basically came up with a way to market toys ..and somehow this is as good as life gets? you really need to get out there more, open up your horizons ..Michael bay is NOT the be all and end all of cinema ..I cant believe I actually have to tell someone this ..his movies do a fine enough job as it is

anyways there's no getting through to you ..I guess you'll just come to that realization at some point in your life when you're a bit more rational

 

[Asknoone]

We got war.

 

[Warbie]

This has to be a wind up.

 

[CptStern]

come on peoples I cant be the only person who thinks this entire discussion on the artisitic merits of the transformers is utterly retarded ...I cant believe I've said Transformers and Citizen Kane in the same sentence and actually compared the two ..someone please burn this thread so that it wont come back to haunt me some day

Queen: I knight thee Sir Stern of the ..

Pageboy: STOP THE CEREMONY!!! HE ONCE COMPARED THE TRANSFORMERS TO CITIZEN KANE!!

assembled crowd: GASP!!!!

Stern: but but

QUEEN: GUARDS ARREST THAT MAN! TO THE ROYAL DUNGEONS ..oh and warm up the iron poker and bring out the iron maiden!!!

STERN: but but ..

 

[Warbie]

I agree, Citizen Kane sucks the fat one. I remember being forced to watch it at film school (before being kicked out for being too awesome) and nearly eating my own head with boredom.

The original Transformers movie was the nuts. 'you've got the touch, youve got the power'!

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkYuK3AKrxc[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Harryz]

Agreed, this arguement it pretty retarded. Too retarded.

 

[brink's]

I may never understand why people "grow out of things." I thoroughly enjoyed my childhood, and it just so happens that I enjoy the same things I like now that I like then.

Yea, I must have had a horrible childhood if I'm not still clinging to shit that was designed for people with an IQ of 80. Trust me, I had a great childhood( I still even wear ninja turles/star wars teeshirts) but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking that those shows/movies are god's gift to man just because i enjoyed them at an age when i was too young to appreciate great art( or better action movies then TF)

Do people pass an age limit where they're just like, "Man I'm too old to enjoy things I liked as a kid?" And why? Eh, I'll never get it. But I tell you what, Being John Malkovich never embodied anybody's childhood. I didn't cry during that movie.

No, I think people reach an age where they think " This just isn't as entertaining as it used to be and I'm too intelligent to enjoy this the same way i originally did". It's intelligence rather then age.

The worst thing about this film is the complete lack of respect it shows for it's audience.

I'm sure while writing BJM, Kaufman didn't say to himself "instead of making a film of high artistic value that will later go on to become one of the defining films of the decade( maybe all time) I think ill write something that has lots of explosions, factual errors, plot holes and crappy dialogue because I really want to embody someones childhood...." No, instead he went on to write a film that embodies every great about FILM MAKING. And in my books creating something that is considered timeless regardless of age( 15 and up) is much better then creating something that is only truly going to appeal to those who were children in 1985....

I cried twice during Transformers. And if a movie makes me cry, then it's good. And this one actually has the distinction of making me cry out of pure joy. Usually I cry when a movie is particularly sad or touching, or inspiring; these were tears of pure, manly joy. Being John Malkovich my ass.

I almost cried during transformers as well...but not because it was so good. You seem to be a victim of circumstance, if you were my age or sterns age you probably wouldn't think this film is all that special and while, due to nostalga, you may be able to filter out all the complete absurdities that this film is plagued with, we can't.


To Harryz..it's merely a discussion.....

EDIT: what about me stern....ya jerkoff.

 

[Darkside55]

What I find laughable is the fact that Stern really tries hard to impress by talking about teaching visual arts, he name drops a few films of reknown to show what a cultured man in front of the screen he is, tells me he has a MINOR in film, does the internet tough guy routine:

"I hope you don't say those opinions in real life, you might get beaten up!"
"You wouldn't say that to my face...I was more of a punching idiots art fag"

then he...wait, I have to f*cking stop. I have to stop. Did you SERIOUSLY just pull an internet tough guy on me? Jesus Christ. You're actually suggesting that someone would get beaten up over their opinion on something as trivial as film, and what's more, had I expressed this opinion to you in person, either now or during your days watching some black-and-white MASTERPIECE!!! that you would have hit me? Holy shit. You know...that really pisses me off. Hunh. Not only are you insinuating that I COULD be beaten up by somebody over my opinion, but that you want to, or might have wanted to do it? Oh. F*cking. Wow.

You don't know me, Stern. I'm not the easiest guy to beat up, I'll tell you that. No matter who the person is or how many of them there are. I could give reasons why but I'm not an e-macho man. I don't like to try and impress people or defend the negative aspects of my personality by saying I could, have, would, or did beat people up. At the end of the day...you're still a pretentious art fag.

Moving on down your post, you continue to attack my opinion, state that because it's just a vehicle (no pun intended) for selling toys that it's worthless and has no meaning, artistic or otherwise; say if I took film at a uni you've lost your faith in the education system (I bet you're f*cking baffled I'm not impressed when you name-dropped Dolce on me and I knew what it was, though, aren't you?! Yeah), you question my age and my mental acumen, and numerous other things.

Well you know what? You're just an old windbag who thinks he's real high and mighty on his pedestal talking about things to a bunch of internet nobodies so he can seem the better of them all. "This guy likes a movie that was hated by critics and the AFI, let me go and bash on his opinion of something he dearly, truly loves while making myself feel good about my knowledge and credibility." I wonder what you see when you look in the mirror, because I can only imagine you to be a bitter human being with no joy other than to rag on others.

You know what message Transformers had? Don't be a f*cking douche, there's the message.

And to keep it on topic...yay Transformers 2.

Mods, don't you dare close this thread or edit my post. Give me infractions if you want; I'll suffer 'em, I don't care. But you leave this thread and message be.


Also to Brink's, mate, I'll never grow out of transformers no matter how old I am. And I care not for films that define an age, I care for films that define me. Why on Earth should I ever care what someone else considers a "timeless classic?" Does liking that film, because others like it, enrich my life? Even if I do find a movie an incredible work in the medium, a breakout, an age-defining classic, should that really matter so much? I like the damn thing, don't I?

I'll love Transformers to the end, regardless of what people think. To me it is, and will forever remain, the greatest movie of all time. Anyone who wants to change my opinion is talking to a brick wall.

Frankly I can't fathom why anyone would hate me for it, or much less PUNCH ME IN MY FACE. Jesus. Hell I'd admire someone who loved something that much. I hate Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance with a passion (the game), but if I ever met someone who thought it was the most genious game in the world and they had posters of it and action figures and they played it every day....well, shit man, you must really f*cking love that terrible game. Respect knuckles. That person would get respect knuckles from me.

AND I DON'T GIVE THAT SHIT OUT LIGHTLY!

 

[brink's]

I sincerely think Stern was joking, though i do think he goes a little over the top with obscure film references...

Also to Brink's, mate, I'll never grow out of transformers no matter how old I am. And I care not for films that define an age, I care for films that define me. Why on Earth should I ever care what someone else considers a "timeless classic?" Does liking that film, because others like it, enrich my life? Even if I do find a movie an incredible work in the medium, a breakout, an age-defining classic, should that really matter so much? I like the damn thing, don't I?

Opinions are opinions. But, I'm just a little amazed that anyone could like this film as much as you do. If you were to replace the TF's with giant transforming lizards you would probably think this film is sub par at best.

But hey..we like what we like...

PS: I would think that guy was a complete loser lol( given he didn't have other redeemiing qualities)

 

[Darkside55]

Well, giant trasforming lizards make no sense, do they?

We like what we like indeed. Even I couldn't fully articulate why I like the original Transformers movie so much. I can thankfully say it isn't nostalgia glasses. Other things over time have lost their lustre to me...but not that. Never that.

I used to love Ninja Turtles too, bro. Had all the figures and had pajamas and ate weird pizza combinations. But after awhile even that got old...although me and four friends DID dress up with bandanas and fake weapons when the new CGI movie came out, hehe. We were backflipping and tumbling all around the theater lobby; people were digging it, especially the kids around.

But yeah, Transformers is one of the last things from my childhood I still feel like a child about. That's why I defend it with such fervor. It's not a the biggest part of me, it's not something that manifests in my daily life, but if it's attacked? Holee shit.

 

[Unfocused]

Holy shit, what's going on in here?!

 

[Asknoone]

The Stern vs Darkside stops here, thanks.

(Still don't see how anyone could class Transformers as one of the best films of all time...)

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

It had its moments though. xD

 

[CptStern]

What I find laughable is the fact that Stern really tries hard to impress by talking about teaching visual arts, he name drops a few films of reknown to show what a cultured man in front of the screen he is, tells me he has a MINOR in film, does the internet tough guy routine:

"I hope you don't say those opinions in real life, you might get beaten up!"
"You wouldn't say that to my face...I was more of a punching idiots art fag"

then he...wait, I have to f*cking stop. I have to stop. Did you SERIOUSLY just pull an internet tough guy on me? Jesus Christ. You're actually suggesting that someone would get beaten up over their opinion on something as trivial as film, and what's more, had I expressed this opinion to you in person, either now or during your days watching some black-and-white MASTERPIECE!!! that you would have hit me? Holy shit. You know...that really pisses me off. Hunh. Not only are you insinuating that I COULD be beaten up by somebody over my opinion, but that you want to, or might have wanted to do it? Oh. F*cking. Wow.

You don't know me, Stern. I'm not the easiest guy to beat up, I'll tell you that. No matter who the person is or how many of them there are. I could give reasons why but I'm not an e-macho man. I don't like to try and impress people or defend the negative aspects of my personality by saying I could, have, would, or did beat people up. At the end of the day...you're still a pretentious art fag.

Moving on down your post, you continue to attack my opinion, state that because it's just a vehicle (no pun intended) for selling toys that it's worthless and has no meaning, artistic or otherwise; say if I took film at a uni you've lost your faith in the education system (I bet you're f*cking baffled I'm not impressed when you name-dropped Dolce on me and I knew what it was, though, aren't you?! Yeah), you question my age and my mental acumen, and numerous other things.

Well you know what? You're just an old windbag who thinks he's real high and mighty on his pedestal talking about things to a bunch of internet nobodies so he can seem the better of them all. "This guy likes a movie that was hated by critics and the AFI, let me go and bash on his opinion of something he dearly, truly loves while making myself feel good about my knowledge and credibility." I wonder what you see when you look in the mirror, because I can only imagine you to be a bitter human being with no joy other than to rag on others.

You know what message Transformers had? Don't be a f*cking douche, there's the message.

And to keep it on topic...yay Transformers 2.

Mods, don't you dare close this thread or edit my post. Give me infractions if you want; I'll suffer 'em, I don't care. But you leave this thread and message be.


Also to Brink's, mate, I'll never grow out of transformers no matter how old I am. And I care not for films that define an age, I care for films that define me. Why on Earth should I ever care what someone else considers a "timeless classic?" Does liking that film, because others like it, enrich my life? Even if I do find a movie an incredible work in the medium, a breakout, an age-defining classic, should that really matter so much? I like the damn thing, don't I?

I'll love Transformers to the end, regardless of what people think. To me it is, and will forever remain, the greatest movie of all time. Anyone who wants to change my opinion is talking to a brick wall.

Frankly I can't fathom why anyone would hate me for it, or much less PUNCH ME IN MY FACE. Jesus. Hell I'd admire someone who loved something that much. I hate Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance with a passion (the game), but if I ever met someone who thought it was the most genious game in the world and they had posters of it and action figures and they played it every day....well, shit man, you must really f*cking love that terrible game. Respect knuckles. That person would get respect knuckles from me.

AND I DON'T GIVE THAT SHIT OUT LIGHTLY!

:O

you're insane ...no really ..I was mostly joking up to this point, I've said as much from the very beginning ..yet for some reason you've taken this as a personal attack. You completely blew this waaay out of porportion ..anyways that ends this little discussion or at least my involvement in it

what about me stern....ya jerkoff.

sorry I didnt mean it to sound that way, you, samon, absinthe and others commented as well

 

[brink's]

I was just joking dude...

 

[Darkside55]

:O

you're insane ...no really ..I was mostly joking up to this point, I've said as much from the very beginning ..yet for some reason you've taken this as a personal attack. You completely blew this waaay out of porportion ..anyways that ends this little discussion or at least my involvement in it

I certainly don't see why I should've taken your lighthearted banter as a personal attack. You only called me an idiot eighty times, said my opinions were retarded, that there's no way a sane person could think that way, called me too young and/or stupid to be using a computer, tell me I'm irrational...even when I'M making a joke, what's easy to see is an actual joke, (Orson Welles dying because Unicron completed his life) you said you were going to stop joking because my comments were idiotic and stupid and I know nothing about Citizen Kane--because no one could possibly understand the true depth and complexity of it but you--and then you threw in some shit about me getting punched in the face.

I CANNOT POSSIBLY SEE HOW I MISCONSTRUED YOUR POST AS A PERSONAL ATTACK

But, why am I bothering? You ran like a coward and you probably won't even read this message. But in case you do, I want you to know...much as I always try to be civil with everyone, you're an arrogant and pompous ass. And on top of that you're one of those people who cops out by saying, "I was just joking but you took it too far." Yeah, I sure took it too far by never calling you a retard or trying to insult you in my initial posts. For that matter, any discourse I've had with you these past few years on this forum. But you always do, and it generally ends with you declaring yourself the winner of the discussion and you high-tail it out of the thread so you don't see the reply. I don't like you.

I'm done with you too. Waste of energy. Postcount +1. Apologies to Samon; I had every intention of stopping, but I gotta say my peace, brother. I think I'm at least entitled to that. And even though I suppose I'm the only person who actually cares about this news, sorry for dramafying the thread.

 

[CptStern]

samon, sorry I'm just replying to set the record straight

edit: whoops Samon, you edited your last post to be amuch more forceful ..ok pretend I didnt cross that line ...pretty please

I certainly don't see why I should've taken your lighthearted banter as a personal attack. You only called me an idiot eighty times, said my opinions were retarded, that there's no way a sane person could think that way, called me too young and/or stupid to be using a computer, tell me I'm irrational...even when I'M making a joke, what's easy to see is an actual joke, (Orson Welles dying because Unicron completed his life) you said you were going to stop joking because my comments were idiotic and stupid and I know nothing about Citizen Kane--because no one could possibly understand the true depth and complexity of it but you--and then you threw in some shit about me getting punched in the face.

I CANNOT POSSIBLY SEE HOW I MISCONSTRUED YOUR POST AS A PERSONAL ATTACK

But, why am I bothering? You ran like a coward and you probably won't even read this message. But in case you do, I want you to know...much as I always try to be civil with everyone, you're an arrogant and pompous ass. And on top of that you're one of those people who cops out by saying, "I was just joking but you took it too far." Yeah, I sure took it too far by never calling you a retard or trying to insult you in my initial posts. For that matter, any discourse I've had with you these past few years on this forum. But you always do, and it generally ends with you declaring yourself the winner of the discussion and you high-tail it out of the thread so you don't see the reply. I don't like you.

I'm done with you too. Waste of energy. Postcount +1. Apologies to Samon; I had every intention of stopping, but I gotta say my peace, brother. I think I'm at least entitled to that. And even though I suppose I'm the only person who actually cares about this news, sorry for dramafying the thread.

hissy fit more like it ..anyways I've repeatedly said I was joking before you started calling me an artfag, pretentious etc ..you even quoted my "I'm joking, no hard feelings" while at the same time suggesting that I was both pretentious and an artfag ..and I never called you idiotic or idiot ..I said the idea that transformers is the best movie ever was idiotic, I even acknowledged that it you were entitled to your opinion so long as you didnt expect the rest of to think the same way ..which you were when you said it was the best movie ever and no other film could compare to it ..again that was the idiotic part, not you. Anyways you have a bit of persecution complex and went all waco on me for some unknown reason ...oh and I couldnt care less that you dont like me, up until our little discussion on transformers I didnt know who you were

oh and that joke about unicorn and orson wells I didnt get (and still dont) ..didnt even know it was a joke ...in fact I didnt understand that entire paragraph ..cant blame me I didnt know who unicorn was; I'm not a transformers fan

 

[Asknoone]

Well, here's the official STOP line. Lets calm down, and be civil with each other. No more punching threats, no more arrogant's thrown at each other - civil. Can we manage that?

I mean it guys. Please take it to pms, and sort it out between yourselves.

 

[CptStern]

your moving STOP line is awesome ..plus you're cute when you're angry (I'm an artfag)



/me runs

 

[Asknoone]

your moving STOP line is awesome

I did more than that in terms of Moderator intervention, Stern

 

[mastag]

I have no desire to see transformers, to be honest.

Also, why the hell does someone care that someone likes a movie they didn't, or vice versa. Epic forum battle though, I applaud both of you...

 

[Sparta]

Citizen Kane. How many times must I tell you people about Citizen Kane?! Orson Welles only died after Unicron. A man lives by his will alone; will carries a man through life. The urge to live. And when a man has a purpose, his will carries him until that end is achieved, else he dies in the attempt. Orson Welles had a passion for directing, writing, and acting. Did he die after Citizen Kane? NO! He died after Transformers because he saw his life was complete, and therefore the fire went out of him and he was at peace.

F*ck Citizen Kane. You dishonor a dead man's memory by claiming it was his finest work when clearly you know nothing of him. Orson Welles was not a man to be remembered as the director for some boring, boorish, pretentious piece of crap that should be piled into the fire along with Rosebud. All the copies of Citizen Kane could be destroyed, and who would lament? Welles? Critics? So called, "fans of cinema?" PRETENTIOUS ART FAGS, that's who! Sitting around the university lounge in their black beanies and shades discussing the nuances of the movie with so much high-nosed air. Well f*ck them, and f*ck Citizen Kane.

I remember Orson Welles as he should be remembered: a planet that devours everything in its path. A god from before recorded time, trapped in a cage of steel by his brother and arch-nemesis Primus, trapped for countless millenia wherein he learned to twist and reshape his prison into that of a massive, transforming machine designed, nay, DESTINED, to devour the universe. All shall become one with Unicron or be lost to the void. That's a fitting way to remember any man, I'd say.


I do not need to see every movie ever made to know they are of no comparison. Fellini or Hitchcock, compared to Transformers? It is to laugh. Oh, good movies you listed to be sure, but of no comparison.


Lol art fags. College film course...you know what a college film course will tell you? Have you ever been enrolled in a film course at a university? Have you ever been a film major, have you?

A college film course can never tell you how to truly appreciate a movie, or what movies to appreciate. It's all subjective. All it teaches you is how to be a cinema snob. I can be a snob, Stern. You can be a snob. Anyone can be a snob. I'll tell you what you should like and why you should like it, why it's a great work of art, an opus, why you should respect the writer and lick the director's feet and pay homage to the director of photography. Oh, I can tell you all these things, my good capitan.

But what can a snob tell me of giant robots?!


Blindly? Pfft. And this isn't just any summer blockbuster. It's Transformers. I sigh with regret as I post this because no one gets it. Maybe you just can't get it. Perhaps it is impossible for you to understand.

I don't know. You know, Sparta said it's the fanboy in me. He's probably the closest to getting it. As a fanboy I'm somewhat predisposed to liking a franchise, but on the other hand I have this innate hatred for anything that would sully the name. Were this movie unworthy then I would be the loudest hater out of all of you. Believe that. How much stuff after 1986 have I hated of the transformers? It's like they'd never catch a break. You know I too once hated on this movie, believe it or not. When the first pictures started showing up? What in the f*ck was with the designs.

And I got ahold of the script. Oh yes, the script, that terrible script with all the f*cking human characters in it. And this, that, and the other thing. Lots of things in the script bothered me.

And the teaser trailer came out and I was like, "Shit."

And then a leaked picture of Megatron. And as someone very in tune with what the most glorious and revered leader of Decepticons in all of Cybertron's history wants, I loudly told anyone who'd listen, "THIS IS NOT WHAT MEGATRON WANTS!"

I'm on a documentary somewhere, a transformers documentary, filmed saying bad things about the movie. The tape's out there somewhere, I don't know. Maybe it'll never see the light of day, but I was a hater.

And then I saw the movie at the premier. Couldn't miss it, you know, even if it might be a bad movie. Had to be there at the premier, didn't I? They brought the movie up in an armored car. It was pretty sweet. And I sat down in the first row, right up in front of the screen as close as I can get.

And the first time Prime transformed it was like someone had taken my entire childhood, all the memories and fun and laughter, all the awe and surprise and wonder, and they compressed it down into five seconds of a CGI truck transforming into a big robot.

And I cried.

Oh my god.

Oh my ****ing god.

You are completely crazy.

I'm not just "close" when i say your a transformers fanboy, but this post confirms it like it was dropping a nuke on the nail instead of just hitting it on the head with a hammer.

You actually claim that Orson Welles is better remembered for his role as Unicron than for Citizen Kane? Almost universally considered to be the greatest American film ever made? i mean he co-wrote the film when he was 24. It is a masterpiece compared to anything anyone remotely related with any transformers franchise has ever done. Besides himself of course. Go ahead, prove me wrong. Show me someone as respected universally (and not just by transformer fanboys like yourself) as Orson Welles (can't be him) that had something to do with Transformers.

Good luck with that, because i doubt you'll find anyone. And to suggest he died happily because he voiced a character in an animated film about a toy franchise he probably never knew existed up until he was approached to voice it.

And that bullshit about film courses teaching you how to be a snob? I take it you obviously haven't ever been in a film course because it doesn't teach you how to be "an art-fag" who wears beret's with shades and holds their nose up high. All it does is expose you to more cinema you moron.

Besides, if you're gonna mock pretentious art-fags your not even talking about the same kind of films. If you wanna mock art-fags, mock David Lynch's new film "Inland Empire". A film featuring prostitutes dancing the locomotion for no reason whatsoever, followed by cryptic sitcoms where the people are Rabbits in human clothing. That is a pretentious art film. That film is a ****ing mess to anyone whose never seen a Lynch film before (believe me i know, i saw it a few weeks ago and i haven't seen any Lynch films before. It sucked). As for calling people art-fags for liking Citizen Kane. You're mental.

Honestly i hope you were just angry when you posted that crock of shit because if you still stand by it you are so amazingly fanboy that its gotta be almost record-breaking, if there is even a way to measure that sort of thing.

Edit: I take back what i said about coming close to hating you, but you're still crazy.

/end rant.

 

[Absinthe]

I still very much need to see INLAND EMPIRE.

 

[Sparta]

I still very much need to see INLAND EMPIRE.

Are you a Lynch fan? Because i haven't seen Mulholland Drive, but i heard that if you liked Mulholland Drive you'll love Inland Empire.

 

[Asknoone]

I have no power.

 

[Absinthe]

Are you a Lynch fan? Because i haven't seen Mulholland Drive, but i heard that if you liked Mulholland Drive you'll love Inland Empire.

Mulholland Drive rules.

 

[Sparta]

I have no power.

I'm sorry Samon, but i couldn't say nothing as he bagged all film students as pretentious art-fags. I just couldn't.