Michael Bay: No Transformers 2

[Darkside55]

fucking words words words

/end <pathetic> rant.

Sarcasm doesn't work well on the internet. You know I actually tried to carry over the discussion with Stern through PMs, guess he won't answer, but look here:

"I don't know if you took my initial thing about artfags to mean you. Those whole three paragraphs were in jest. Much as I tried to make it obvious, sarcasm doesn't seem to carry well over the internet. Maybe because I quoted you you thought I was lumping you into that group of people. This was not the case. Maybe I should've thrown a smiley or two in there, but somtimes I think I can convey tone through the message itself without a tacky little face."

I guess even the beret-wearing stereotype I threw in there couldn't convey that I was making mock. The Orson Welles thing is, admittedly, something I enjoy saying because frankly I love his damn voice in Transformers, it IS in fact his last role, and in

my opinion

I love Transformers movie more than anything else.

Plus it is funny how everyone creams their pants over Citizen Kane, you really can't deny it. "Almost universally considered to be the greatest American film ever made," yeah, it is. Which is funny you know given the fact that it's just a bunch of people with a hard on for it. Which you also can't deny is one reason so many people like it. That really has nothing to do with the movie itself; it is great, I won't deny it, but it's always one of those things that people like to say so that they seem to be in-the-know. It's like bookfags who talk about Gatsby. Please don't try to deny it because you can't, and to do so would be insulting not only to yourself but to the actual work. It's the problem with "classics"; call it the classics bandwagon, if you will.

In any case I wasn't saying anyone who likes Citizen Kane on its own merits is an artfag or anything like that. It was, actually, a joke. Again, I thought I was using a stereotype common enough (a sort of pseudo-beatnik with an affected air of class, which is in truth undeserved and 'granted' only by the fact that they are pretentious enough to snob anyone who doesn't agree with their tastes in film as they sip lattes and converse symbolism represented in such great celluloid gems) that no one would ACTUALLY be offended by it. Unless you're a bespectacled, beret-wearing virtuoso, Sparta, there's no reason to get up in arms. But maybe you are.

IN WHICH CASE YOU'RE TOTALLY AN ARTFAG, ARTFAG. Oh my God, what an artfag. Nice black turtleneck, artfag.

And actually you're making the same mistake Stern made by suggesting that I'm just a cinema layman who's never been in a film course. In fact I thought I dropped enough hints on the fact that I have, in fact, been enrolled in film classes, however it seems that subtlety is also not something that carries well across a forum.

In any case while the crux of this message is intended to show that I meant no actual malice toward anyone on this board, and that I was indeed just joking, I'm going to switch gears right now.

Sparta. You're seriously a goddamned idiot. You actually are getting mad over something I said about people who study film? "Sorry Samon, but I couldn't say nothing as he bagged all film students as pretentious art-fags. I just couldn't." Boo-hoo Samon, he offended my delicate panty-waist sensibilities. I have to retaliate because I fucking cream my jeans over Citizen Kane and I wish Orson Welles was alive today so he could jizz on my face. I know that everyone else in my film class would love it too.

You pathetic little nobody, I wasn't insulting you. I was making a joke. You can call me a fanboy all you want, see if I care actually, because the difference is I'm not really getting my shit in knots by what someone calls me, or even people in the same GROUP as me. I mean if you offended transfans as all fat balding dorks who want to take Optimus Prime's steaming exhaust stack up their colons, then I'd probably be inclined to agree that the majority of them are like that and I'd laugh along with you. But for you to actually be OFFENDED by what I said? Because I insulted a STEREOTYPE? You're sad.

Furthermore Samon said stop, idiot, but nobody really seems to give a rat's ass what Samon says. Dude's trying to keep the peace but all these people are coming out of the woodwork. This thread's become no man's land. Much as I love screaming, "ANARCHY TO MODS!" even I gotta feel sorry for the guy. Damn.

Also, you've "never gotten to the point of hating someone over their opinions but you're getting pretty close to the edge?" OH MY GOOD GRACIOUS SPARTA MIGHT HATE ME BASED ON MY OPINION? Oh no, oh no, say it ain't so! Whatever will I do if some Leonidas-loving wannabe hates me on an internet message board? How will I ever go on existing? I can't go on, I feel like I'm...like I'm...

Crawling in my skiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin
these wounds they will not heaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal

Shut up, you fuck. I really must admit this thread has become the event of the season. I play such a nice guy all the time I never really get a chance to kick out and argue. Fun, really. But not so fun when you're arguing with 'tardos. You take what you can get I guess.

 

[Polaris]

No Beast Wars? ;(

 

[Darkside55]

Oh, Beast Wars was cool. Check this out, Polaris, you might dig this:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheUltimateOne81

I believe this is every episode of Beast Wars. Enjoy your CG nostalgia.

 

[Polaris]

Thanks! I will check it out.
Can you imagine this in real movie by Michael Bay, with all these amazing movie effects?

 

[Darkside55]

Personally I think it'd be weird. It'd look good, but I'm not so behind the Beast Wars concept that I think it'd be a good live-action movie. Maybe a completely CGI movie, just really well-done CGI. That would be interesting.

 

[Sparta]

Sarcasm doesn't work well on the internet. You know I actually tried to carry over the discussion with Stern through PMs, guess he won't answer, but look here:

"I don't know if you took my initial thing about artfags to mean you. Those whole three paragraphs were in jest. Much as I tried to make it obvious, sarcasm doesn't seem to carry well over the internet. Maybe because I quoted you you thought I was lumping you into that group of people. This was not the case. Maybe I should've thrown a smiley or two in there, but somtimes I think I can convey tone through the message itself without a tacky little face."

I guess even the beret-wearing stereotype I threw in there couldn't convey that I was making mock. The Orson Welles thing is, admittedly, something I enjoy saying because frankly I love his damn voice in Transformers, it IS in fact his last role, and in

my opinion

I love Transformers movie more than anything else. Guess they're all fags then.

Plus it is funny how everyone creams their pants over Citizen Kane, you really can't deny it. "Almost universally considered to be the greatest American film ever made," yeah, it is. Which is funny you know given the fact that it's just a bunch of people with a hard on for it. Which you also can't deny is one reason so many people like it. That really has nothing to do with the movie itself; it is great, I won't deny it, but it's always one of those things that people like to say so that they seem to be in-the-know. It's like bookfags who talk about Gatsby. Please don't try to deny it because you can't, and to do so would be insulting not only to yourself but to the actual work. It's the problem with "classics"; call it the classics bandwagon, if you will.

In any case I wasn't saying anyone who likes Citizen Kane on its own merits is an artfag or anything like that. It was, actually, a joke. Again, I thought I was using a stereotype common enough (a sort of pseudo-beatnik with an affected air of class, which is in truth undeserved and 'granted' only by the fact that they are pretentious enough to snob anyone who doesn't agree with their tastes in film as they sip lattes and converse symbolism represented in such great celluloid gems) that no one would ACTUALLY be offended by it. Unless you're a bespectacled, beret-wearing virtuoso, Sparta, there's no reason to get up in arms. But maybe you are.

IN WHICH CASE YOU'RE TOTALLY AN ARTFAG, ARTFAG. Oh my God, what an artfag. Nice black turtleneck, artfag.

And actually you're making the same mistake Stern made by suggesting that I'm just a cinema layman who's never been in a film course. In fact I thought I dropped enough hints on the fact that I have, in fact, been enrolled in film classes, however it seems that subtlety is also not something that carries well across a forum.

In any case while the crux of this message is intended to show that I meant no actual malice toward anyone on this board, and that I was indeed just joking, I'm going to switch gears right now.

Sparta. You're seriously a goddamned idiot. You actually are getting mad over something I said about people who study film? "Sorry Samon, but I couldn't say nothing as he bagged all film students as pretentious art-fags. I just couldn't." Boo-hoo Samon, he offended my delicate panty-waist sensibilities. I have to retaliate because I fucking cream my jeans over Citizen Kane and I wish Orson Welles was alive today so he could jizz on my face. I know that everyone else in my film class would love it too.

You pathetic little nobody, I wasn't insulting you. I was making a joke. You can call me a fanboy all you want, see if I care actually, because the difference is I'm not really getting my shit in knots by what someone calls me, or even people in the same GROUP as me. I mean if you offended transfans as all fat balding dorks who want to take Optimus Prime's steaming exhaust stack up their colons, then I'd probably be inclined to agree that the majority of them are like that and I'd laugh along with you. But for you to actually be OFFENDED by what I said? Because I insulted a STEREOTYPE? You're sad.

Furthermore Samon said stop, idiot, but nobody really seems to give a rat's ass what Samon says. Dude's trying to keep the peace but all these people are coming out of the woodwork. This thread's become no man's land. Much as I love screaming, "ANARCHY TO MODS!" even I gotta feel sorry for the guy. Damn.

Also, you've "never gotten to the point of hating someone over their opinions but you're getting pretty close to the edge?" OH MY GOOD GRACIOUS SPARTA MIGHT HATE ME BASED ON MY OPINION? Oh no, oh no, say it ain't so! Whatever will I do if some Leonidas-loving wannabe hates me on an internet message board? How will I ever go on existing? I can't go on, I feel like I'm...like I'm...

Crawling in my skiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin
these wounds they will not heaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal

Shut up, you fuck. I really must admit this thread has become the event of the season. I play such a nice guy all the time I never really get a chance to kick out and argue. Fun, really. But not so fun when you're arguing with 'tardos. You take what you can get I guess.

Wow you're crazy. "Leonidas-loving wannabe"? I take it you never heard of the band Sparta? Which i happened to like at the time i signed up, 4 years ago? I got offended when you started calling people art-fags. Last time i checked calling someone a "fag" is an insult, so when your saying people in film courses are "art-fags" its not a surprise that someone like me would be offended by that. Your terrible at sarcasm by the way. Sarcasm is "Wow, that Transformers movie sure was good!". Calling people in film courses fags was when i really started getting offended by that post and thats why i said what i did about coming close to hating you. I was really just angry at the time that you called people like me and my friends fags because we're in a film course and thats all.

I'm not going to continue with this argument because you are insane when it comes to Transformers, and all your posts in this thread prove it. I didn't say anything in my post that was more offensive than what you were already saying about other people and then you go on this page long rant about how i'm a **** because i get uppity that you called me and people like me fags for liking Citizen Kane. Hate to break it to you but a lot more people like Citizen Kane than they do Transformers.

You're crazy.

Shine on you crazy diamond.

 

[Darkside55]

Crazy must be an awesome and fearful insult where you come from. I wish you had a location listed so that I know when to visit, I'll remember the local insult du jour is "crazy" or "insane."

Anyhoo, if you actually think I care that people like Citizen Kane I hate to disappoint you but it doesn't hurt my feelings. In fact the general public couldn't care about Citizen Kane any more than they could about Transformers, so it's all really moot. However I haven't heard of anyone having Citizen Kane conventions. But really I care nothing for the people who attend Transformers conventions either and I'll never go to one...what I'm trying to say is that I'm actually one of those rare breed of people who doesn't give a shit that people don't like what I like, and I'm completely happy loving the Transformers movie. If that makes me insane to you so be it.

Also please point out where I said ALL students enrolled in film courses, current or previous, were art fags. Sure I may be crazy in the coconut, but at least I don't misread sentences to make an argument.

...God, did you insult me by calling me CRAZY? Jesus you can't get a good throwdown with anyone these days. What kind of an insult is crazy? What...I can't even wrap my mind around it. If your intent was to leave me utterly baffled oh good show sir, good show.

Guys, he called me insane as an insult. Good lord. Good lord, hahaha, well, I'll certainly tell you, they don't teach you how to have a drag-out in film courses, I'll tell you that!

Jesus. I've known film courses. I used to aspire to be a DoP. I even have a friend who graduated from film and is going on to the Academy of Arts for it. We've even collaborated on some projects. Now why would I possibly call all art students fags? Does that make sense? You're just mad because you THOUGHT I was calling you and your friends names. That's your entire argument.

"I thought he was calling me and my friends a bad name so I stood up to him (sorry Samon) and then he retaliated and told me that he wasn't calling everyone in film names, but then he started calling me names for real, so I called him insane and left the argument." That's your argument. Go ahead and take a long look at how ridiculous it is. You misunderstood me, tried to fight back, got your ass handed to you, and now we're here. Look at where we are. And I'm the crazy one? You poor bastard.

Why do people leave arguments anyway? Can't hang I guess. Can't hang with insults like insane.

That kind of rhymes. Can't hang when you can only say insane. Can't remain when your insult's, "insane." Can't refrain from being ashamed; your insult is INSANE.

Shine on you crazy diamond.

Holy shit I'm gonna write a song about that. That last line's the chorus.

 

[Sulkdodds]

You are coming off a bit mad. Not because you love Transformers, just your posts are like...vaguely bonkers.

Also all that 'artfags' stuff was blatantly taking the piss. Nobody really hangs around smoking french cigarettes and wearing black roll-neck jumpers and berets anymore, and nobody really thinks that anybody does.

And if a movie makes me cry, then it's good.

Ooh, dangerously close to getting into an argument about the purpose of art here. By the way - Being John Malkovitch, The Truman Show and Eternal Sunshine made me cry, but I doubt Transformers could (not seen it, was away when it came out).

 

[Warbie]

What is it with you guys crying at movies?! You big girl's blouses!

I now prescribe you all a week long rugby course followed by a masculine awareness program that probably takes place in a woods and involves making spears.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Sure, you're a man because you have malfunctioning tear ducts!

 

[Cormeh]

Wait a minute - no one cried when Optimus died? (1986).

 

[Darkside55]

You are coming off a bit mad. Not because you love Transformers, just your posts are like...vaguely bonkers.

Well I'm always like that though, aren't I? You always knew I was slightly skewed; you knew what you were getting into!

...You know that also rhymes. I'm not even trying. Why is that happening?

Also all that 'artfags' stuff was blatantly taking the piss. Nobody really hangs around smoking french cigarettes and wearing black roll-neck jumpers and berets anymore, and nobody really thinks that anybody does.

Exactly. EXACTLY. Thank you!

Did everyone just hear what my good friend Sulk said? Nobody really acts like that stereotype anymore. Nobody. Therefore the entire notion of anyone getting mad at a stereotype that doesn't exist is completely off base. If I used a stereotype that no longer exists as the basis of an insult, it's obviously meant as a joke!

This is why you guys aren't cool. Because your name isn't Sulkdodds. And because your name isn't Sulkdodds, you don't even understand. You just don't GET IT like he does. Just stop trying and form a line to kiss his feet, ye unworthy.

Ooh, dangerously close to getting into an argument about the purpose of art here. By the way - Being John Malkovitch, The Truman Show and Eternal Sunshine made me cry, but I doubt Transformers could (not seen it, was away when it came out).

Truman Show didn't make me cry, but it was a good movie. Generally I hate ambiguous endings, too, but that was quite well done. I regret to say I haven't seen Sunshine.

Also I wasn't bashing BJM, just in case no one got that either. That was also sarcasm. I don't really care for the movie but I wasn't hating on it either. Don't know if that really came across.

And I say that if something makes you cry it's good because it touches you. If something inspires emotion then it's good, that's how I see it. The emotion doesn't necessarily have to be tears, by any means it can be a lot of emotions, but crying is a very strong emotion. "We are moved to tears by the sight of it."

Warbie: they were manly tears. MANLY tears.

Also, total edit: I love you Cormeh. But I cheered when he died because I worship Megatron.

 

[Sparta]

More stuff

I don't mean crazy as an insult, i just really meant that you are flatout crazy. Also you're signature gave me a laugh. Nice.

And it wasn't the stereotype that i cared about, its the fags comment that ticked me off.

 

[Darkside55]

The insult itself or the group I was insulting? If it was the insult itself, it wasn't meant to be derrogatory to people of the homosexual persuasion. Not at all. I'd never mean it to be.

And if it was about the group, well, that's why I threw the stereotype in there. To differentiate between the type of film students I'm talking about. I mean, the actual stereotype in full no longer exists, but you're in film, Sparta...you know the kind of people I'm talking about. You must know. Hence I said that instead of, "the only people who'd care would be film students, and they're all high-nose jackasses anyway." Which is precisely why I didn't say it, because I don't feel that way.

Within any group of people you have subgroups who act a certain way. Snobby film fans. Basement-dwelling Transfans. Wapanese anime fans. Fanboy video game...fans. These people don't define the entire group. They're subgroups. Annoying subgroups that nobody likes. And in the end, isn't that what matters? Can't we all just come together and hate these people?

Let's not fight, damn it. Let's all just get along. If Transformers taught me one (more) thing, it's that you could have just gotten into a fight to the death with a hostile enemy, and then completely made up just by offering them a glowing stick of gum and breakdancing with them.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABGOXvERUiA[/youtube]

Let's breakdance, Sparta.

 

[Warbie]

Sure, you're a man because you have malfunctioning tear ducts!

Tear ducts?! I cut mine out with a sharp rock when I was a lad. Internalise goddamnit!!

Oh, I did cry when Optimus died in the original movie, but that was over 20 years ago. Get out of the ****ing way Hot Rod!!!!!!

 

[Harryz]

Ooh, dangerously close to getting into an argument about the purpose of art here. By the way - Being John Malkovitch, The Truman Show and Eternal Sunshine made me cry, but I doubt Transformers could (not seen it, was away when it came out).

I cried when I watched Transformers. It still hurts.

 

[Asknoone]

Are we going to calm down now and stop with the "YOU ****TARD!" "YOU'RE CRAAAZY!" ?

 

[CptStern]

CRAAAZY ****TARD YOU!!!



a few things ..Darkside the artfag may be a stereotype but you definately used it as a generalization of film society/academia in general perhaps inadvertedly when you said this:

Orson Welles was not a man to be remembered as the director for some boring, boorish, pretentious piece of crap that should be piled into the fire along with Rosebud. All the copies of Citizen Kane could be destroyed, and who would lament? Welles? Critics? So called, "fans of cinema?" PRETENTIOUS ART FAGS, that's who! Sitting around the university lounge in their black beanies and shades discussing the nuances of the movie with so much high-nosed air. Well f*ck them, and f*ck Citizen Kane.

since Citizen Kane is universally seen as the greatest american film you are encompassing ALL film academia

but you deliberately stereotype here by saying they're all snobs (artfags by your definition):

\ It's all subjective. All it teaches you is how to be a cinema snob. I can be a snob, Stern. You can be a snob. Anyone can be a snob. I'll tell you what you should like and why you should like it, why it's a great work of art, an opus, why you should respect the writer and lick the director's feet and pay homage to the director of photography. Oh, I can tell you all these things, my good capitan.

Sparta was justified and you completely went irrationally ballastic on him for it ..I think you owe him an apology (me holds lit match over wick of potential retaliatory powderkeg)


I'll reply to your pm when I get a chance

on transformers movie ..since this thread I've grown not to hate the movie but rather I've become terribly ambivilent towards it ...I mean it's michael bay so on the one automatic suckery is inherent but then there's the enigma of Darkside: I mean if someone is as fervernt about a movie listing it above the greatest films of all time then there must be something to it ..it MUST be cellluloid nirvana. Will I run out and see it? no ..will I rent it on dvd when it comes out? no ...if I'm walking through wal-mart at some point in the near future and there's a line of tvs all playing the Transformers ..i may stop and watch for a minute or two





:O omg ...John Turturro and Jon Voight are in Transformers? ..the stars of such movies as Deliverance, Midnight Cowboy, Catch-22 and O Brother, Where Art Thou?, The Big Lebowski, Barton Fink and Miller's Crossing in Michael Bay schlock ..what a shame

 

[Darkside55]

a few things ..Darkside the artfag may be a stereotype but you definately used it as a generalization of film society/academia in general perhaps inadvertedly when you said this:

since Citizen Kane is universally seen as the greatest american film you are encompassing ALL film academia

Again, unintentional. I really, honestly believed my sarcastic tone was carried in that paragraph. I mean I can't even look at "Well f*ck them, and f*ck Citizen Kane!" without laughing. I figured everyone'd get it.

but you deliberately stereotype here by saying they're all snobs (artfags by your definition)

Again, sarcasm. I mean, if you include the last part of that paragraph:

"But what can snobs tell me about giant robots?!"

Y'know. It's funny. It was supposed to be funny. Plus I said in my last message to Sparta that there are in fact some people who do portray a certain stereotype like that. Not dressed in the clothes and not as snooty as all that, but some people, y'know. Poseurs and bandwagoneers, and then there really are the actual snobs. Yes, the way it's written does seem to generalize EVERY film student as a collective. That wasn't my intent though. It really was just intended to come off mocking in a nonserious way. A rib, if you will.

Sparta was justified and you completely went irrationally ballastic on him for it ..I think you owe him an apology (me holds lit match over wick of potential retaliatory powderkeg)

Nooo, Sparta had a completely different beef with me, the contents of which I won't discuss here unless he chooses to speak of it, but we've already resolved it. It really had nothing to do with what I said but rather with...er...what I said. Well, it's resolved. We breakdanced. It's all good now.

on transformers movie ..since this thread I've grown not to hate the movie but rather I've become terribly ambivilent towards it ...I mean it's michael bay so on the one automatic suckery is inherent but then there's the enigma of Darkside: I mean if someone is as fervernt about a movie listing it above the greatest films of all time then there must be something to it ..it MUST be cellluloid nirvana. Will I run out and see it? no ..will I rent it on dvd when it comes out? no ...if I'm walking through wal-mart at some point in the near future and there's a line of tvs all playing the Transformers ..i may stop and watch for a minute or two

Or you could always catch the trailers that're still playing on TV.

:O omg ...John Turturro and Jon Voight are in Transformers? ..the stars of such movies as Deliverance, Midnight Cowboy, Catch-22 and O Brother, Where Art Thou?, The Big Lebowski, Barton Fink and Miller's Crossing in Michael Bay schlock ..what a shame

John Turturro has only a small role, but he's got some OK scenes. "Criminals are HOT!" His material, admittedly, isn't the best; he's underused for who he is.

Jon Voight...eh, important role, not so important character overall.

TBH, you're not going to care about any of the characters in this movie aside from Sam and the Transformers themselves. Everyone else is one-dimensional and forgettable. You could completely remove everyone else from the movie and still have the movie.

I mean the rundown of the characters is basically:

Sam, aka the only person of any true merit
Obligatory love interest who, realistically, would never get with a guy like Sam IRL
White soldier guy with family you hear about briefly and are supposed to care about
Black soldier, yeah, come get some
Mexican soldier, according to whom crocodile meat is very succulent
Another white soldier of no importance whatsoever
Secretary of Defense (Jon Voight); you're a good actor, here, have like ten lines
Sector Seven agent (John Turturro); you're a good actor, here, have like five lines
Self-assertive woman who is of course the smartest person there is...
Except for fat, comic relief black man who's a super hacker. Please get off his grandmama's carpet.

It's amazing though, at least to me they take nothing away from the movie. I wouldn't necessarily say they ADD anything to the movie...but it's just like they pass by without consequence.

Seriously if you're watching the movie you're watching it for the robots and you really don't care about things like "actors." You're just there to see robots be super cool and beat up on each other.

 

[CptStern]

Again, unintentional. I really, honestly believed my sarcastic tone was carried in that paragraph. I mean I can't even look at "Well f*ck them, and f*ck Citizen Kane!" without laughing. I figured everyone'd get it.

well it didnt sound sarcastic to me (and others) ..you sounded downright irate not sarcastic

Again, sarcasm. I mean, if you include the last part of that paragraph:

"But what can snobs tell me about giant robots?!"

yes but you've stated repeatedly that the Transformers is the best film ever made ..so you cant blame uis for taking that last line at face value ..even now I still dont think it was sarcasim despite your assurances to the contrary

Y'know. It's funny. It was supposed to be funny. Plus I said in my last message to Sparta that there are in fact some people who do portray a certain stereotype like that. Not dressed in the clothes and not as snooty as all that, but some people, y'know. Poseurs and bandwagoneers, and then there really are the actual snobs. Yes, the way it's written does seem to generalize EVERY film student as a collective. That wasn't my intent though. It really was just intended to come off mocking in a nonserious way. A rib, if you will.

well to be fair you're backpeddling ..like you said it does sound like you're saying all academia is full of snobs

Nooo, Sparta had a completely different beef with me, the contents of which I won't discuss here unless he chooses to speak of it, but we've already resolved it. It really had nothing to do with what I said but rather with...er...what I said. Well, it's resolved. We breakdanced. It's all good now.

regardless of your persoanl beef with Spata it doesnt change the fact that he was justified in saying you were overgeneralising to encompass ALL cinema academia

Or you could always catch the trailers that're still playing on TV.

I'd rather watch scenes from the movie than a commercail meant to get people to watch the movie ..traailers are rarely indicative of how good a movie is

I mean the rundown of the characters is basically:

Sam, aka the only person of any true merit
Obligatory love interest who, realistically, would never get with a guy like Sam IRL

shouldnt that be the other way around? realistically, in RL there's no way he'd ever get together with her

Seriously if you're watching the movie you're watching it for the robots and you really don't care about things like "actors." You're just there to see robots be super cool and beat up on each other.

you contradict yourself and completely invalidate your statement that Transformers is the best movie ever made ..you just said you dont watch it for but cool robots bashing each other ...how can it be the greatest movie on that premise alone ..the acting isnt anything steller, the script and screenplay are nothing above average, the only thing that elvates this movie as the great film ever put to film (in your opinion) is the "cool robots" ...sorry but that is not a valid form of determining a films worth ..I mean can you imagine if it was the measuring stick as to what is considered "the best" ..."Apocolyse now was good but ultimately sucked because it didnt have robots" .."Schindlers list would have been better if only cool robots saved the jews instead of Schindler" .. "the scene in Casablanca where Claude Rains (Capt Renault) redeems himself by allowing Rick (Bogart) to escape from the nazis would have been better if it were delivered by giant robots" ...etc. Your reasoning for the Transformers being the best movie ever doesnt hold up

 

[Harryz]

"Schindlers list would have been better if only cool robots saved the jews instead of Schindler" ..

Oh man, that would be awesome - quickly, someone forward this idea to Spielberg for his digital remastered Schindler's List DVD.

 

[CptStern]

Bumble Bee Manbot: "look, Optical Prime I saved 2 jewish kids from the Decepticon-Nazis, they're right here in the palm of my hand" <opens hand only to discover he was holding them a little too tight>

Optimus Primal: Ewwww, poor kids ...where's your messiah now? <har har>

 

[Ridge]

What pisses me off is that I have read this "news" multiple times everywhere, but I have yet to see anybody actually link to Bay's blog where he actually says this...its nothing more than rumor at this point....

 

[Darkside55]

well it didnt sound sarcastic to me (and others) ..you sounded downright irate not sarcastic

One day, tone will be carried over TCP/IP.

I guess it's also that you'd have to know me a little better to understand when I'm actually being sarcastic versus actually raging on something. Compare the way I said those things in my first posts to when I was actually arguing with you and Sparta. Or if you ever happen to see me actually yell at someone on the forum--which isn't often--you should be able to tell the difference. But again, maybe not. Of course I can tell the difference and if I showed it to people who know me (which I did actually show it to people in IRC, because I thought it was a funny thing) they knew I was kidding around.

yes but you've stated repeatedly that the Transformers is the best film ever made ..so you cant blame uis for taking that last line at face value ..even now I still dont think it was sarcasim despite your assurances to the contrary

I suppose I can't at that. I thought it was clear, but I guess it wasn't.

I'm don't want to get sidetracked here but that's an interesting thought for the day: do people ever consider how other people will receive their message, on all levels? I thought I was being clear. It never occurred to me that someone WOULDN'T get it, that the language and punctuation would be the giveaway. Do we as people even consider tone when we type? You said you were joking all the times you said my opinion was idiotic or when you were making jabs at me, but to me it didn't always seem like the case. To you, though, it might have.

That's going to be a brain-melter today. I can't believe I have to wake up to psychoanalytical musings about people conversing over interwebs.

well to be fair you're backpeddling ..like you said it does sound like you're saying all academia is full of snobs

It does. I apologize.

regardless of your persoanl beef with Spata it doesnt change the fact that he was justified in saying you were overgeneralising to encompass ALL cinema academia

Once again, unintended. Why would I do that? I'd have to call a lot of people I know names too.

...Then again I call most of my friends terrible things during the course of daily life. Rat bastards.

I'd rather watch scenes from the movie than a commercail meant to get people to watch the movie ..traailers are rarely indicative of how good a movie is

Stay tuned to the end of this post then!

shouldnt that be the other way around? realistically, in RL there's no way he'd ever get together with her

What? That's what I said. There's no way a girl looking like that would get with a guy like him.

you contradict yourself and completely invalidate your statement that Transformers is the best movie ever made ..you just said you dont watch it for but cool robots bashing each other ...how can it be the greatest movie on that premise alone ..the acting isnt anything steller, the script and screenplay are nothing above average, the only thing that elvates this movie as the great film ever put to film (in your opinion) is the "cool robots" ...sorry but that is not a valid form of determining a films worth ..I mean can you imagine if it was the measuring stick as to what is considered "the best" ..."Apocolyse now was good but ultimately sucked because it didnt have robots" .."Schindlers list would have been better if only cool robots saved the jews instead of Schindler" .. "the scene in Casablanca where Claude Rains (Capt Renault) redeems himself by allowing Rick (Bogart) to escape from the nazis would have been better if it were delivered by giant robots" ...etc. Your reasoning for the Transformers being the best movie ever doesnt hold up

I don't contradict myself. You just can't wrap your head around it. (this is a joke!)

"How can it be the greatest movie on that premise alone?" Because it is. You just have to...argh. How do I even EXPLAIN this? I don't think I can, Stern. I'm sorry. I don't think it's humanly possible for me to articulate into words why this is the absolute, supreme, most awesome concept ever. I once made a quip to someone else in another transformers thread where I said, "All models of human not born in the eighties lack the 'giant robots are f*cking awesome' gene, and therefore you cannot understand." To quote a song (that surprisingly was NOT from the eighties, but was made by children of the eighties):

You dig giant robots
I dig giant robots
We dig giant robots
Chicks dig giant robots

But of course I'm not saying every film should have giant robots, or that films are lacking in some way because there are no giant robots. I could not imagine character dramas with giant robots. I wouldn't want to be watching Shawshank and suddenly have a giant robot break the prison wall down and say, "I have come for Andy, he is innocent."

...

F*ck, yes I would, that shit's awesome! (totally not a joke, omg, why did I put that idea in my head?)

Also, Family Guy says that Optimus Prime was a Jew, and I've read comics where the Transformers existed in WW2 (one of those alternate universe deals), so feasibly...

I know you're gonna hate me Stern but I really can get behind all those ideas you just jokingly talked about. Giant robots fighting Nazis? I'm so there.

What pisses me off is that I have read this "news" multiple times everywhere, but I have yet to see anybody actually link to Bay's blog where he actually says this...its nothing more than rumor at this point....

It's posted...it's in this thread, ain't it? Well, there's always Google, you know.




Anyway, for Stern:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qa8LWyhhwQ&NR=1[/youtube]

Introduces the Autobots and outlines the entire story. Some parts are cut, that's why the transitions seem choppy at times.

 

[Nid Banikeri]

Going back on topic for a sec...dunno if its been mentioned but Michael Bay has gone back on what he said and is back on doing Transformers 2. Its in the original link.

anyways yeh, enjoyed reading Darksides posts haha, some of the best reading i've had here tbh.

Transformers is possibily the best film i have seen (in a cinema), i did not stop smiling throughout the entire film. Might not appeal to the "art fags" as darkside put it haha, but i sure as hell enjoyed it.

 

[CptStern]

transformer is the work of satan, repent sinners



btw just saw that transformers clip ...can you say product placement? from a classic camaro to the shiney new camaro with a close up on the logo? art meets cinema indeed. bravo! eat your heart out Orson

/me golf claps

 

[brink's]

Yea, WTF is with the product placement. Did the execs think 700 million at the boxoffice and uncounted billions in other markets isn't enough? If i was Bay I would try to maintain some artistic integrity & disallow product placement....

EDIT: LOL on the Satanic TF video, some people just should be allowed to operated a camera...

 

[Asuka]

I don't mind product placement at all, i rarely notice it anyway. Better to have real logos then fake ones.

 

[Harryz]

I hate product placment, especially in Casino Royale, we ****ing get it, buy Sony. I'm suprised they didn't show Bond start playing the PS3 in-between fight scenes.

 

[brink's]

I don't mind product placement at all, i rarely notice it anyway. Better to have real logos then fake ones.

Not when those logos are only there because some jerkoff coporation paid some artist( or lack thereof) to slip in their crappy/irrelevant product which had no busniess being there in the first place.

When used purely as a narrative, product placement can be really effective. The Sopranos had tons of PP, the only difference is that it was used to make the world they lived in much more realistic/believable. HBO doesn't officially accept money for product placements.

 

[CptStern]

I don't mind product placement at all, i rarely notice it anyway. Better to have real logos then fake ones.

ya but you're an oblivious consumerist ..when you look for it, it's not so benign ..for example ..that whole scene where bumblebee (I'm assuming the camaro is bumblebee (isnt he supposed to be a volkswagon?) turns into a shiny new camaro was written specifically as an ad for the car ..the advertiser writes the scene therefore any claims of artisitic vision (as if) goes right out the door ..michael bay you whore ..who'd have thunk a grand visionary such as Bay would inject ads into his masterpieces? say it isnt so Bay /me sheds tear

 

[Darkside55]

Volkswagon won't allow their bug to be used as the alt mode for Bumblebee anymore because they "don't want to be associated with war machines." This from a company that wouldn't exist if not for Adolf Hitler.

IMO Bumblebee always sucked in G1 anyway. He was outclassed by the cooler cars. He's actually pretty cool now, though, being a camaro.

 

[CptStern]

Volkswagon won't allow their bug to be used as the alt mode for Bumblebee anymore because they "don't want to be associated with war machines." This from a company that wouldn't exist if not for Adolf Hitler.

IMO Bumblebee always sucked in G1 anyway. He was outclassed by the cooler cars. He's actually pretty cool now, though, being a camaro.

so it's cool that chevrolet an automobile company dictated what Bumblebee would look like in a film? good thing it wasnt a Kia or an AMC Pacer ...so much for artistic expression

 

[DeusExMachina]

Ben Affleck - "Dude, why do you always have me crying in your movies? Michael Bay never makes me cry."
Kevin Smith - "Really? He makes me cry..."

transformer is the work of satan, repent sinners



btw just saw that transformers clip ...can you say product placement? from a classic camaro to the shiney new camaro with a close up on the logo? art meets cinema indeed. bravo! eat your heart out Orson

/me golf claps

Jesus Christ, do you ever stop? I didn't care for the movie either, but making some kind of pseudo-artsy fuss about it is completely pointless. This was a summer Hollywood blockbuster directed by Bay. Done. Finito. Be thankful he will die one day. There's no need to defend art or attack this shit. It shouldn't even be on your radar. Stop acting like you care.

 

[CptStern]

man shut up deus, dont ****ing like it dont read it, really it's that ****ing simple

 

[Ennui]

Calm down please, both of you.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Fine fine...

 

[Darkside55]

so it's cool that chevrolet an automobile company dictated what Bumblebee would look like in a film? good thing it wasnt a Kia or an AMC Pacer ...so much for artistic expression

They didn't dictate what Bumblebee would look like...I'm not sure where you got that information. The transformers designs were done jointly by artists working on the film and Hasbro. There are even old designs of BB floating around the net where you can see the evolution of his design. Bay himself chose the camaro as the alt mode.

 

[CptStern]

They didn't dictate what Bumblebee would look like...I'm not sure where you got that information. The transformers designs were done jointly by artists working on the film and Hasbro. There are even old designs of BB floating around the net where you can see the evolution of his design. Bay himself chose the camaro as the alt mode.

so either bay approached chevy or vice versa ..either way it was created with product placement in mind ..that scene wasnt coincidental, in fact film studios go out of their way to obscure labels unless it's paid for

all I'm saying is that marketing gets in the way of artistic expression ..I'd think you would of all people would be incensed by this casual butchering of transformers lore

 

[Darkside55]

Bay chose Chevy, thus all autobots are GM vehicles (except Prime). It WAS product placement, just like Nokia, Xbox 360, and Mountain Dew placements in the movie.

All transformers are based on real-world objects, though. Or at least, nearly everything. Heck I just found out a few months back the autobot Hot Rod from the '86 movie is based on an actual, obscure Japanese prototype car called the Dome Zero. I always thought it was a fictional representation of a futuristic sportscar, but it actually has basis in the real world.

Optimus Prime was a cab-over semi. Megatron was a Walther P38. Old Ironhide was a Nissan Onebox vanette. Jazz was a Porsche 935 (and would have been a Porsche in the movie too had they not rejected the proposal...their loss, though). These are all very specific objects that you find in real life. What's the point of being a robot in disguise if your disguise is something that doesn't actually exist? What, instead of a GM Hummer it'd be called a Buzzer? Instead of Mountain Dew it'd be Alpine Drops? Pontiac Solstice? No, you're a Chieftain Equinox!

Casual butchering of lore...heh heh. Nothing could be truer in TF than using actual name brands.