Minnesota school shooting! (10 dead)

[Recoil]

Direct access to guns (e.g. not buying, but laying home in a rack) is very motivating, I dare to claim!

 

[CptStern]

And if he wanted guns he could have easily bought them, who doesn't know a black market weapons dealer?(seriously)

I dont, actually no one I know does ...maybe it's common in the US but it's not in canada

btw a very similiar incident almost occured last week in canada ..seems some students were plotting to kill people at their school ...they tried getting explosives but that alerted them to the cops ...if they had had easy access to guns we'd be burying our dead by now

 

[Foxtrot]

I dont, actually no one I know does ...maybe it's common in the US but it's not in canada

You probably just don't know the right people then.

 

[CREMATOR666]

Dont they have anything better to do? Go shoot hostages in CSS instead!

 

[CptStern]

You probably just don't know the right people then.

no, it's just a lot harder to get guns here, legally or otherwise:


btw a very similiar incident almost occured last week in canada ..seems some students were plotting to kill people at their school ...they tried getting explosives but that alerted them to the cops ...if they had had easy access to guns we'd be burying our dead by now

 

[slider3005]

everyone in the US has a black market dealer just for themselves. Its like a 1:1 ratio here.

 

[Foxtrot]

no, it's just a lot harder to get guns here, legally or otherwise:


btw a very similiar incident almost occured last week in canada ..seems some students were plotting to kill people at their school ...they tried getting explosives but that alerted them to the cops ...if they had had easy access to guns we'd be burying our dead by now

It would seem pretty easy to smuggle guns into Canada, they don't do much at the border.

 

[CREMATOR666]

They all ended up killing themselves in the end, what a bunch of suckers...:hmph:

 

[Murray_H]

How many kids have gone apeshit with guns in UK schools?

I can't think of a time that has occured. A school has only been shot up once by a guy with gun, and that was the Dunblane tragedy, carried out by a 43 year old man.

I can understand (not condone) a 43 year old being able to get hold of a firearm, but a teenager?

The fact that people in the UK cannot easily get hold of guns (and not have a rule which allows them to arm themselves against a 'threat') means that they don't get into the wrong hands.

 

[CptStern]

It would seem pretty easy to smuggle guns into Canada, they don't do much at the border.

that's true, our number one source of illegal guns is the US. The difference is that the common civilian doesnt see a need to arm themselves

 

[CREMATOR666]

The US prides themselves with their guns, hell, nearly every New-Yorker are armed.

 

[Recoil]

(...it was a rather tough decision, wether I posted this in Off-topic or Politics, btw...)

 

[CptStern]

(...it was a rather tough decision, wether I posted this in Off-topic or Politics, btw...)

I'm glad you posted it here ..in the politics forum this would have derailed into a second ammendment argument


btw, I find it funny that pro-gun people ommit the first part of the ammendment:


"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

 

[Recoil]

I'm glad you posted it here ..in the politics forum this would have derailed into a second ammendment argument

I fear it will anyway...

 

[CptStern]

I agree, but at least here it wont be prone to the usual pro-gun lobbyists that seem to be taking over the politics forum

 

[KoreBolteR]

too many guns are on this planet.

a ticking timebomb.

 

[Recoil]

Hehe, that opportunity made me post it here

 

[short recoil]

too many guns are on this planet.

a ticking timebomb.

You forgot the other ingredient.

 

[CptStern]

and I thank you for it :E

 

[KoreBolteR]

You forgot the other ingredient.

guns supply the needs of that 'other ingrediant'.

alright then,..ill rephrase.

too many guns in the hands of wrong people these days :thumbs:

 

[Razor]

the chances of this happening in any other civilized nation in the world is slim at best (sure once or twice but this is at epidemic porportions in the US) ...I've said it before I'll say it again, easy access to guns has to have played a big role in this

The Swiss gun laws are even more lax or just as lax as the American gun laws, but crime in Switzerland is almost non-existant. The blame lays at the hands of the American society not at guns, if he hadn't of used a gun, it would of been a machete, if it wasn't a machete, it would of been a butchers knife, etc, etc.

 

[CptStern]

he wouldnt have killed as many if he had a machete ..the murders by guns in the US is almost 5 times that of any other weapon


14,408 murders in 2003, 9,638 of those were commited with firearms only 1,816 of those were knives or cutting instruments and 651 were with blunt objects

 

[KoreBolteR]

he wouldnt have killed as many if he had a machete ..the murders by guns in the US is almost 5 times that of any other weapon


14,408 murders in 2003, 9,638 of those were commited with firearms only 1,816 of those were knives or cutting instruments and 651 were with blunt objects

u think the US shud ban guns?

i do, but its impossible.. america and guns are like peanut butter and jelly.

 

[short recoil]

he wouldnt have killed as many if he had a machete ..the murders by guns in the US is almost 5 times that of any other weapon

And in the UK knife murder outnumber gun murders by over 3 times.
(there are a lot more knife murders per head than in the US btw)

 

[KoreBolteR]

And in the UK knife murder outnumber gun murders by over 3 times.
(there are a lot more knife murders per head than in the US btw)

LOL thats cos guns are Illegal in the UK..

making them illegal does make a difference.. see?

 

[<RJMC>]

no doubt someone will blame videogames or movies or something like that when sure they should blame the people that raised the kid

but no the adults want to say that this current generationg is all wrong

 

[CptStern]

And in the UK knife murder outnumber gun murders by over 3 times.
(there are a lot more knife murders per head than in the US btw)

yes but there's also more knives used in murders in the US than there were murders in the UK

in 2001 for example, 16,037 murders in the US, 850 in the UK ..the population in the US is only 3 times that of the UK ...logic says that accessibility to guns played a bigger role

 

[KoreBolteR]

yes but there's also more knives used in murders in the US than there were murders in the UK

in 2001 for example, 16,037 murders in the US, 850 in the UK ..the population in the US is only 3 times that of the UK ...logic says that accessibility to guns played a bigger role

definately agree with you there. im goin back to saying, guns should stay illegal in the UK.

stern are guns legal in Canada?

 

[short recoil]

LOL thats cos guns are Illegal in the UK..

making them illegal does make a difference.. see?

So you prefer people to have a 8 inch gash in their lungs and bleed to death on the pavement then?
Its ok because we have banned guns isn't it?

It is clear to me that humans cannot blame themselves......of course it isn't the persons mentality, its either games, guns, rap music or something else.

There was hardly ANY violence in the UK 40 years back........and there were a lot more guns around then.
The weapons have not changed, the soceity has.

If people do not accept what is happening then the country will get even worse........its getting worse every year.

The problem is with modern youth and the schooling system/education......students grow up to become rebels, i know it sounds silly but they dont think what shooting/stabbing someone actually does.

I keep on see people going nuts about the guns being available, nothing at all is said about why the person decided to kill people..........its scapegoating and it will not make the situation any better.

I have been bought up by my parents with a 100% honesty and respect system, i own airguns.......i would never have the intention of killing someone other than to save myself or my family. (which you cannot possibly say is wrong, otherwise i may as well not bother living)

Soceity has to change

 

[SimonomiS]

So you prefer people to have a 8 inch gash in their lungs and bleed to death on the pavement then?
Its ok because we have banned guns isn't it?

It is clear to me that humans cannot blame themselves......of course it isn't the persons mentality, its either games, guns, rap music or something else.

There was hardly ANY violence in the UK 40 years back........and there were a lot more guns around then.
The weapons have not changed, the soceity has.

If people do not accept what is happening then the country will get even worse........its getting worse every year.

The problem is with modern youth and the schooling system/education......students grow up to become rebels, i know it sounds silly but they dont think what shooting/stabbing someone actually does.

I keep on see people going nuts about the guns being available, nothing at all is said about why the person decided to kill people..........its scapegoating and it will not make the situation any better.

I have been bought up by my parents with a 100% honesty and respect system, i own airguns.......i would never have the intention of killing someone other than to save myself or my family. (which you cannot possibly say is wrong, otherwise i may as well not bother living)

Soceity has to change

People are unwilling to change themselves, and it is almost impossible to enforce a change in society, whereas guns are much easier to change and enforce. It wouldnt stop crime, but it would have a huge effect on it.

 

[short recoil]

People are unwilling to change themselves,

So they complain about something else.

I find it sickening that us humans have to ban ourselves from using guns because we are so corrupt.

 

[jimbo118]

just saw the news conference on sky,the thing is,he shot his grandfather and his grandfather's partner,his step-grandmother i guess,then went to school,i thought that was weird,like why didnt he kill himself then?

so he then hoped on the bus and went to school and randomly shot people or did he have some kind of weird 'hitlist' at school too?

 

[KoreBolteR]

So you prefer people to have a 8 inch gash in their lungs and bleed to death on the pavement then?
Its ok because we have banned guns isn't it?

if the attacker had a gun, there would be even more injury. more possibility of death.

It is clear to me that humans cannot blame themselves......of course it isn't the persons mentality, its either games, guns, rap music or something else.

i didnt say it was Games or rap music, please stop twisting my words, i honestly believe people use rap and video games as an excuse.. people cant blame a gun like that, so these 2 what you are suggesting are 2 completely different matters...

but this dangerous person had the most dangerous weapon. its far easier to kill someone with a gun than it is with a knife.. Would you see US marines running around the streets of Iraq with knives or axes otherwise?

There was hardly ANY violence in the UK 40 years back........and there were a lot more guns around then.
The weapons have not changed, the soceity has.

do you know that for definate? you got any proof of this?

how can you say there was more guns around then, than it is now?

If people do not accept what is happening then the country will get even worse........its getting worse every year.

hmm so in 1970's and 80's there was no gun crime, everything was lovely, no murders? honestly please know the world your living in? no offence.

i cant see the country gettin any worse year by year tbh, i havnt seen any terrorist attacks here, or increasing gun related crimes on the news channels...

The problem is with modern youth and the schooling system/education......students grow up to become rebels, i know it sounds silly but they dont think what shooting/stabbing someone actually does.

i see what your saying.. but its been like this for the last 20 years mate.. its much worse in other countries that have guns legal by law.

obviously there are going to be some cases where laws are never going to stop these people from thier objective... but thats rare.

I have been bought up by my parents with a 100% honesty and respect system, i own airguns.......i would never have the intention of killing someone other than to save myself or my family. (which you cannot possibly say is wrong, otherwise i may as well not bother living)

same, i have been brought up, and even if i did have an airgun, i wudnt harm anybody.. are you saying being brought up badyl, makes you kill people, cos thats completely insane.

Soceity has to change

the law on guns doesnt need to change here in the UK. :thumbs:

 

[Maxi]

Only in America...



(and Germany)

 

[CptStern]

definately agree with you there. im goin back to saying, guns should stay illegal in the UK.

stern are guns legal in Canada?

yes to a point, handguns are pretty much restricted but anyone with a gun license over the age of 18 can buy a hunting rifle ..assualt weapons, semi/fully -automatic weapons are banned

 

[K e r b e r o s]

this is a ****ing joke!!! I cant believe they've already started to run the "it isnt the gun's fault" propaganda bullshit ...jeez you all have no excuse when this happens on a regular basis ..it's like americans are willfully participating in their own demise

I agree, easy access to guns is not at all what we need. Though I do appreciate our Gun Laws, we have to make a work around were we just dont get too much of them, too quickly, and too easily.

However, I dont believe all Americans are participating in their own demise -- one shooting, does not justify 150 million idiots.

 

[CptStern]

I agree, easy access to guns is not at all what we need. Though I do appreciate our Gun Laws, we have to make a work around were we just dont get too much of them, too quickly, and too easily.

However, I dont believe all Americans are participating in their own demise -- one shooting, does not justify 150 million idiots.

I meant demise as in the quality of life ..not in actual practice

 

[ray_MAN]

Has this turned into an America-bashing thread? Why don't you go **** yourselves? It's not "only in America". It's everywhere.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Has this turned into an America-bashing thread? Why don't you go **** yourselves? It's not "only in America". It's everywhere.

....LOL.. wheres the america bashing? :|

 

[ray_MAN]

Read around. Pages 4 and 5 preferably.