new abuse claims

[Apos]

Wow, if that isnt the utmost extreme liberal on the planet...

Lol, yeah that's why he campaigned for Republicans in New York like Pataki and Guiliani.

You stated that a '3 or 4 star general' would be investigating.

What he forgot to mention is that the reason they had to get a 4 star general is that the two star general originally on the case concluded that the investigation went too high up the chain of command for him to deal with.

Face it: GW has betrayed our country's trust. He has let people out covert CIA agents (you really think he couldn't find out who it was if he wanted to). He has set back our moral authority in the world by decades. Now, when China abuses political dissidents, and we complain, they can point out that we decided to go beyond our own laws on torture when we felt like it. He let a known traitor (Chalabi) into the highest halls of our government, and he, predictably, manipulated us and is now accused of betraying our secrets to Iran: which, by the way, has used our diversion in Iraq and neglect of the war on terror and virtually every other duty, to become a nuclear power.

Only people that want to see the US go down in flames would support this guy.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Lol, yeah that's why he campaigned for Republicans in New York like Pataki and Guiliani.

CptStern did this... riigghhhht

He has set back our moral authority in the world by decades.

I find it hilarious when liberals say this about Bush when who was our prior President?... :rolling:

 

[Apos]

CptStern did this... riigghhhht

Lol, I thought you meant Howard Stern, sorry.

I find it hilarious when liberals say this about Bush when who was our prior President?...

Give me a break: you divert a serious problem with an offhand reference to something that's basically irrelevant to the topic. No one else in the world thinks it a big deal that Clinton got a blowjob in office, or at the very least that it has any bearing at all on any real issues. It's things like breaking treaties, weaseling out of our own claims to moral superiority, and so on, that are killing our authority to speak on various topics and to proceed with the FP we really need to. It isn't just liberals saying this, but experts on foriegn policy from all over the political spectrum. Even the Reagans thought Bush is bad leader.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/13/bush.criticism/index.html

 

[seinfeldrules]

LOL the Reagans? Nah, it was the Deputy State Department Spokesman during Reagan's second term. Not even close! Good lord that is irrelevant. The key thing is: Clinton got the BJ while married. Doesnt look very good for the leader of the free world. You act like Bush commited the acts of violence in the prison. News Flash: I doubt he even heard of Abu Gharib before it happened.

 

[Johan_Tayn]

haha rush limbaugh messenger of truth? more like drug addict of truth... But you just go ahead and believe every word that lying junkie tells you!

you're right! an inspiration to all of us and a double inspiration to those who suffer from the same(easily aquired) addiction. Thank you, Mr. Innervision961!

 

[seinfeldrules]

Meh, I prefer Hannity

 

[Johan_Tayn]

I still don't understand everything about the Reagans, but isn't Nancy a bit of a weirdo? She reportedly tried to raise Washington's wife's spirit for a chat? Something I heard..

Edit: Hannity, Glenn Beck, El Rushbo, Mike Fleming etc.. Conservatives rule talk radio! It's easy for us because liberals like their hip-hop a lot better than news or whatever that stuff they talk about on that there talk radio AM yo bling bling, end quote.

 

[qckbeam]

The key thing is: Clinton got the BJ while married. Doesnt look very good for the leader of the free world. You act like Bush commited the acts of violence in the prison. News Flash: I doubt he even heard of Abu Gharib before it happened.

Ah yes, "Clinton had a blow-job while in office." The last line of defense for a die-hard Republican who has been broken down in every way. Please, give it a break. Who in the name of god cares about what he did with his PRIVATE life, behind closed doors. The affair was between Clinton and his family, it has no bearing on anyone else in any way whatsoever. You honestly think Clintons getting a blow-job paints a picture of America worse than the one the world sees today with George W. Bush in control? Give it up already.

 

[Johan_Tayn]

what a shame to our country he was.. Amoral, plus he lied under oath.. My goodness, he was a CRYING SHAME. Good thing America decided they wanted a moral man to replace him. What a relief and difference. Glad he's gone for good.

Now it's Hillary's turn.. :rollseyes:

Something you might not know if you don't listen to talk radio(they won't talk about some "issues" on TV): Before 9/11, they had Bin Laden pinned down and they were asking permission to snipe him to where he belongs of Clinton, however... THEY COULDN'T FIND HIM and Laden got away. I won't hazard a guess on where he might have been at the time.

 

[not28]

seinfeldrules, you're a brainwashed right-wing republican. shut up.
and don't you dare call me a democrat, because they're just as bad.

(edit) you too, johan_tayn. what is it with you conservatives and liberals? you act like you belong to some exclusive club. cool members only, i see.

 

[seinfeldrules]

The last line of defense for a die-hard Republican who has been broken down in every way.

Ahahahaha really? Maybe you're just trying to downplay it. I was just sick of everyone calling Bush a 'moral monster'. At least he doesnt get BJ's (by a gross chick no less), while married, and then lie about it under oath. Please, get off your horse and come back down to reality with the rest of us. That kind of action while President sickens me. Hell, if it is the 'norm' for you liberals to have affairs on your wives, then maybe you should look upon yourselves before criticizing me.

 

[seinfeldrules]

seinfeldrules, you're a brainwashed right-wing republican. shut up.
and don't you dare call me a democrat, because they're just as bad.

Nah, I classify people like you under the "Naive Moron Party". At least Democrats are, usually, above insulting without posting an argument. Your canidate: Michael Moore.

 

[not28]

yeah, blowjobs are much worse than waging phony wars and sending Americans off to die. dickhead.

 

[seinfeldrules]

yeah, blowjobs are much worse than waging phony wars and sending Americans off to die. dickhead.

See, this is the trouble with people like you. You go ahead and post this garbage without anything to back it up, nor do you read the pages which have already gone over this same topic. Please crawl back into your cave with Osama and save us all a headache. My headache coming from your ignorance, yours from having to think.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

:flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:

 

[Apos]

BJs don't affect anyone's life, especially overseas. It is a plain fact that people overseas didn't see the BJ incident as anything more than an amusement. They are deadly concerned and angry, on the other hand, about the abuse scandal and our flouting of not only our own laws, but international laws, whenever convienient.

It's not like this is a liberal issue. Andrew Sullivan is one of the war's biggest conservative supporters, and he's highly disturbed by what this says about our government as well:
http://www.andrewsullivan.com/

 

[not28]

yeah, just like Bush backed up his irrefutable evidence of WMDs in iraq. eat me, asswipe.

 

[Warbie]

Who cares if your president gets a blow job from his secretary?

I wouldn't give a toss if he hated puppies and tortured insects, aslong as he could run the country ok. For christ sake, so many politicians are corrupt (and commiting far worse offences) that all the fuss made over this minor incident was laughable.

 

[not28]

Who cares if your president gets a blow job from his secretary?

I wouldn't give a toss if he hated puppies and tortured insects, aslong as he could run the country ok. For christ sake, so many politicians are corrupt (and commiting far worse offences) that all the fuss made over this minor incident was laughable.

seinfeldrules only cares about that because his pathetic little right-wing mindset tells him to care about trivial shit like that. thinking otherwise would probably warrent a big lightningbolt to his ass from God.

 

[Apos]

See Lil' Timmy, in a way, people like SR are a lot like die-hard believers. They are absolutely dogmatic about how not to listen and who their opponents are. Nevermind that I voted for Bush last election, and am a small government conservative. No, he's been trained to call anyone that disagrees with whomever he's taking his marching orders from a liberal, and that's that, no need to debate, all debate is pointless, yadda yadda yadda.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Andrew Sullivan is one of the war's biggest conservative supporters, and he's highly disturbed by what this says about our government as well

well then he's probably already been black-listed by the freepers remember, it's not about who you are or what credentials you have.. it's about who you agree with :thumbs:

 

[Lil' Timmy]

no need to debate, all debate is pointless, yadda yadda yadda.

what? on an internet forum??? say it ain't so!!

edit: doh.. i was hoping others would post before my dbl post :x

 

[Glo-Boy]

I know the Americans dont like Farrowlesparrow's view on this. But I agree somewhat.


I dont think they are bad people. I do think the majority know what they are doing and are decent people.


But I also think they do lack discipline.

A friend of my family was a Commander in the Royal Navy. He once told me that he did an exchange with an American aircraft carrier for a few days to train American staff in British ideas and vice versa for mutual benifit.

He commented how undisciplined the general crew was and how they were in no way efficient and basically acted as if the whole thing was for their own ammusement. Basically they were behaving as if part of a cruise liner and not a multibillion $ warship.



On a side note he also pointed out that the guy who was in charge of the on board cruise misiles was also the person who ran the on deck ice cream stall....... lol

America would beat the shit out of Britain *ahem* AGAIN if need be, so I wouldn't be LOLing about how the guy in charge of the cruise missiles had a round of duty in the mess hall.

 

[seinfeldrules]

No, he's been trained to call anyone that disagrees with whomever he's taking his marching orders from a liberal, and that's that, no need to debate, all debate is pointless, yadda yadda yadda.

Wow, thanks for classifying how I eat, think, and breathe over the internet Apos, your insight is amazing! I have responded to every claim I could during this argument. Usually with a link or fact to back up my claim. I resent you say I dont listen, as I have throughout the arguement, the same can not be said for supporters on your side. When confronted with the truth over Prv. Lynch; I backed down. When I confronted them with Saddam's treatment of POWs, they ignored. When presented with solid evidence the war was not over oil; they again refused to change their mindset. You're only seeing my extreme conservative side, because most people opposing me are ridiculously liberal.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Who cares if your president gets a blow job from his secretary?

If you dont care about this, then why care about Iraq? Is it affecting you in any way, shape, or form?

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Wow, thanks for classifying how I eat, think, and breathe over the internet Apos, your insight is amazing! I have responded to every claim I could during this argument. Usually with a link or fact to back up my claim. I resent you say I dont listen, as I have throughout the arguement, the same can not be said for supporters on your side. When confronted with the truth over Prv. Lynch; I backed down. When I confronted them with Saddam's treatment of POWs, they ignored. When presented with solid evidence the war was not over oil; they again refused to change their mindset. You're only seeing my extreme conservative side, because most people opposing me are ridiculously liberal.

actually, he just classified the way you argue, not the rest of that.. oh and why are you still harping on saddam's treatment of prisoners? we (and i do mean WE) already told you that this was some fantastical disagreement that you created for yourself.. no one in this thread has ever claimed that saddma didn't abuse his prisoners.. jesus man.. aren't you listen.. oh.. um.. nevermind.

edit:

If you dont care about this, then why care about Iraq? Is it affecting you in any way, shape, or form?

some would argue that the occupation of iraq is fueling more hatred towards the US and is creating a failed state, which will then become a den for terrorism and force of instability in the middle east.. if that's the case, then yes, i think it's a little more important to me than the president's sexual particulars.

 

[Apos]

If you dont care about this, then why care about Iraq? Is it affecting you in any way, shape, or form?

Well, yeah: it proved to Osama that we could be tricked into doing just what he wanted, which was to have Iraq be a chaotic breeding ground of anti-American sentiment and a country of religious nutjobs rather than a well contained and generally anti-Shiite dictator. It's definately made the world a lot less safe. And that affects me.

 

[not28]

If you dont care about this, then why care about Iraq? Is it affecting you in any way, shape, or form?

if they reinstate the draft to help fight for your bullshit cause then it becomes my problem. ya dig?

 

[seinfeldrules]

actually, he just classified the way you argue, not the rest of that.. oh and why are you still harping on saddma's treatment of prisoners? we (and i do mean WE) already told you that this was some fantastical disagreement that you created for yourself.. no one in this thread has ever claimed that saddma didn't abuse his prisoners.. jesus man.. aren't you listen.. oh.. um.. nevermind.

Did I really imagine it? Wow, this is the third time I have posted this. Again, it isnt seinfeld who isnt listening. Also, he incorrectly classified the manner in which I argue, as I said.

huh? there is no proof that american POW's are treated like that...I might be wrong but I really dont remember anything about american POW's being abused

Throughout my entire argument this was the statement I was disproving. Now, my apology? (I have done so when I was proven inncorrect.)

 

[Warbie]

Because it does effect me, I see the news and it makes me sad. A friend of my family comes from Iraq, and it saddens him too.

A man cheating on his wife has been happening ever since marriage was invented - and will continue to do so. It's none of my business, or anyone elses for that matter, what ppl decide to get up to in their personal lives.

 

[seinfeldrules]

if they reinstate the draft to help fight for your bullshit cause then it becomes my problem. ya dig?

Well bud, the only ones calling for the draft at this point are the extreme liberal democrats. Seems you may wish to rethink your opinion on things huh :rolling:

 

[seinfeldrules]

It's none of my business, or anyone elses for that matter, what ppl decide to get up to in their personal lives.

Well he is the President of my country. It better damn well matter what he does in his personal life. If he can cheat on something so serious as marriage, what else was he cheating as President? Probably the American people and the world.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Throughout my entire argument this was the statement I was disproving. Now, my apology? (I have done so when I was proven inncorrect.)

that quote is not talking about saddam, it's refering to the american soldiers that had been captured by the "insurgents", is that what you meant when refering to saddam?

 

[not28]

Well bud, the only ones calling for the draft at this point are the extreme liberal democrats. Seems you may wish to rethink your opinion on things huh

really? care to post any of that proof (which you seem to be FULL of)? my former German teacher is all for a draft and she's a hardcore republican. better rethink your bullshit political stereotypes :thumbs:

 

[not28]

Well he is the President of my country. It better damn well matter what he does in his personal life. If he can cheat on something so serious as marriage, what else was he cheating as President? Probably the American people and the world.

you mean he was the President of your country, ass. it's in the past. i would rather deal with current problems.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

not28 stop flaming like boy george in the naval academy.. calm down. jesus.

 

[seinfeldrules]

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues...=ua_congressorg


Upon further research my conclusions were proven correct.

Sponsor of the Bill: Rep Rangel, Charles B.

Ahem, one of the most liberal politicans in Washington. This should only show you the lengths to which the Democrats will go to paint the President in a bad way.

Who initiated the second bill?

Sponsor: Hollings, Ernest F.

Another Democrat. Suprising? I think not. I do find it suprising that I did more research on these bills than that website did. They should be ashamed of themselves.

I checked 3 random cosponsors of the bills. All were Democrats. Now who is calling for the draft? Oh, right its the liberals.

really? care to post any of that proof (which you seem to be FULL of)? my former German teacher is all for a draft and she's a hardcore republican. better rethink your bullshit political stereotypes

Is your German teacher a Congressman as those men are?

 

[seinfeldrules]

that quote is not talking about saddam, it's refering to the american soldiers that had been captured by the "insurgents", is that what you meant when refering to saddam?

No, he was referring to Saddam. Check page 1. Then my apology.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

No, he was referring to Saddam. Check page 1. Then my apology.

check page 1 again, stern pointed out that he was refering to this war, not the 13 year old gulf war your link was about. keep waiting.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Ah yes, then your apology as well not28.