Nice work Sgt

[Korgoth]

No one is trivializing it. He made the paper because it wasn't a trivial act. In fact it was an amazing feat of skill and bravery. 1000 yards at a civilian rifle range is a good shot. 1000 yards in combat is astounding.

What did he accomplish? Not much. He killed a guy planting an IED in an Iraqi neighborhood. An indescrimante killing device designed to only disrupt, cause fear and confussion.

I say good job Sgt! And for those who are lifting their nose to this I say you are just realizing that what little of a man you are.

So to you skill = looking through a scope and pulling a trigger, and bravery = killing someone from thousands of feet away?

How is that any different than what the insurgents are doing?
Whether your planting an IED or dropping a bunker buster on a civillian neihborhood, your still killing, and killing is not justifiable.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Post quote: I hope the residents bashed his skulll to less than pulp.

 

[qckbeam]

No one is trivializing it. He made the paper because it wasn't a trivial act. In fact it was an amazing feat of skill and bravery. 1000 yards at a range is a good shot. 1000 yards in combat is astounding.

Yes, you are turning the killing of fellow humans into a sporting contest. I'd say that's trivializing death. Also, what is so brave about shooting a guy with a high-power rifle from over 1000 yards away? Nothing? I thought so.

What did he accomplish? Not much. He killed a guy planting an IED in an Iraqi neighborhood. An indescrimante killing device designed to only disrupt, cause fear and confussion.

Like I said, I understand it's neccesary, and it happens in combat. I'm saying the taking of a human life should not be celebrated and turned into some sort of twisted game.

I say good job Sgt! And for those who are lifting their nose to this I say you are just realizing that what little of a man you are.

Because real men kill other men with sniper rifles from 1500 yards away

 

[bliink]

No one is trivializing it. He made the paper because it wasn't a trivial act. In fact it was an amazing feat of skill and bravery. 1000 yards at a civilian rifle range is a good shot. 1000 yards in combat is astounding.
...
I say good job Sgt! And for those who are lifting their nose to this I say you are just realizing that what little of a man you are.

oh right, so you need to be brave to shoot someone from 1000 yards away..

oh, and killing people/cheering it on makes you a man.. right, no wonder you're all so messed up as a gender...

 

[Tr0n]

For some reason I find this thread funny...seeing how everyone is saying "oh killing someone is bad" or "killing is not justifiable"...Guys wake up!!!!

It happens all the time in this world.It's war... :|

 

[Neutrino]

LOL thx for backing me up :smoking:



look i know what a terrorist is.
a person helping Terrorism Rule the world.
a "threat" to humanity
therefore "eliminate" these "members" of terrorism, by killing them.

look think what happened to afghanistan when it was being ruled by terrorists (taliban)....
and tbh Saddam and co ruling Iraq were terrorists.
murderers , powermad, the world is better off without these "evil madmen". u disagree?

You know, some of the citizens of the early American colonies were probably considered to be "terrorists" by the English government of the time.

It's all about perspective. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, as has been stated already. Yes, many of these people are indeed evil and commit horrible crimes. Yet there are others just fighting for what they believe in. To paint all their motives and intentions with one large brush stroke is the worst kind of generalization. The world is a complex place and is not easily separated into black and white, good and evil.

For example, terrorists attacked the United States and killed many innocent Americans. Then the United States invaded Iraq and killed many times that number of innocent Iraqis. Both acts ended in the deaths of thousands of civilians. Was one act better than the other? Are those deaths deemed "ok" because of our supposed moral high ground? I've noticed many Americans feel terrorists are somehow sub-human and only deserving of death because of the terrorists who were responsible for the deaths of Americans. They think this while at the same time somehow are shocked when, heaven forbid, an Iraqi might feel the same way about the country that has killed thousands of Iraqi citizens. How do you think you would feel if another country invaded your own country and killed your own family? Would you love and accept these invading liberators or would you fight back? And if you did resist would you be a freedom fighter or a terrorist?

It's all about perspective.

Another thing is that the label "terrorist" is becoming one of the worst stereotypes of our time. All that is needed anymore is to label a group as being terrorists and that automatically makes them evil, regardless of the actual situation or circumstances. It's a dangerous way of thinking in my opinion that lends way to much power to governments who are able to manipulate and sway public opinion in their favor with a name, a mere label. Not only does it lead to a governmental power in the form of a political tool, but it creates a severe "us or them" mentality that distorts reality into a deceptively simple idea of good and evil, which leaves no room for compromise or consideration of the real complexities involved between opposing cultures. And where does all this leave "us"?

...to mindlessly celebrate "their" deaths at the hands of one of our own. Just don't be surprised when "they" celebrates "our" deaths just as enthusiastically. But that's ok isn't it? Because after all, we have the comfort of knowing that we cleanse them from atop our white pillar of moral righteousness, while they murder us from the black depths of their evil ways....

...right?

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

oh right, so you need to be brave to shoot someone from 1000 yards away..

oh, and killing people/cheering it on makes you a man.. right, no wonder you're all so messed up as a gender...

Have you ever done anything but post anonymous rantings? You are a coward. He is the epitome of bravery.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Ive always wondered the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist. Reading one of the above posts I came up with one idea that a terrorist will kill his anyone to fight for his own cause. While a freedom fighter only kills the opressing enemy.

Example
Osama bin laden= terrorist
Yassir Arafat = freedom fighter

Agree or disagree?

agree, Down with these Terrorists in Iraq! :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:

 

[Tr0n]

Guys...don't take it to far... :|

 

[Neutrino]

Have you ever done anything but post anonymous rantings? You are a coward. He is the epitome of bravery.

Well I don't know about him, but you're certainly mighty brave, insulting someone over the internet and all. That takes real guts.

 

[Tr0n]

Hmmmm...guys...

*cough*

Not he/him...

 

[bliink]

Have you ever done anything but post anonymous rantings? You are a coward. He is the epitome of bravery.

Hehehe.. Right, I'm opposed to killing, therefore I'm a coward.. people who go and kill are the epitome of bravery..
I'm guessing you're a teenager? is it the testosterone that does this to you?

Wars not a glorious thing, death isnt something you should idolise or cheer on. If you ever see someone die from injury inflicted due to hostile action, you might just begin to understand.
What you're saying is just mindless rhetoric

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Well I don't know about him, but you're certainly mighty brave, insulting someone over the internet and all.

If the shoe fits... You have yellow feet. I've been to Iraq twice little boi.

 

[Tr0n]

Here I will re-post what I said...

For some reason I find this thread funny...seeing how everyone is saying "oh killing someone is bad" or "killing is not justifiable"...Guys wake up!!!!

It happens all the time in this world.It's war... :|

 

[Neutrino]

If the shoe fits... You have yellow feet. I've been to Iraq twice little boi.

Good for you.

Did you learn how to belittle people online to make yourself feel better over there or were you just born with the talent?

 

[qckbeam]

For some reason I find this thread funny...seeing how everyone is saying "oh killing someone is bad" or "killing is not justifiable"...Guys wake up!!!!

It happens all the time in this world.It's war... :|

It happens; I understand what's happening better than those who brush it off as a "nice shot". I understand the severity of it, and see the tragedy in it. I don't understand why it's ok to turn it, death and killing, into a perverted contest or celebration.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Killing is justifiable depending on the instances.

Murder and killing are not the same thing. A murder involves a killing, but not all killings are murder.

Those people DESERVE to be killed. There is a fundamental part of the human brain that can tell right from wrong, regardless of upbringing. The people who perpetrate these acts either A: Lack that. Or B: Have it.. and do not care that it is wrong. These people ARE NOT HUMAN. Most Iraqis aren't like that. It blows the entire 'brought up that way' instances out of the water. Look at that picture for an example of something not human. Pleading for mercy- no, had those folks not caught him, he'd have BLOWN THEM UP when they got in their car to head off to work.

 

[bliink]

If the shoe fits... You have yellow feet. I've been to Iraq twice little boi.

Doing what?
Killed someone before? seen someone killed? ever been in fear for your own life?

EDIT: and this whole "yellow" thing is fitting then, its the typical military attitude of peer pressure pushing each other to kill people and such because no rational person would behave that way..

and dont call me "boi"... i'm not even a guy ffs

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Hehehe.. Right, I'm opposed to killing, therefore I'm a coward.. people who go and kill are the epitome of bravery..
I'm guessing you're a teenager? is it the testosterone that does this to you?

Wars not a glorious thing, death isnt something you should idolise or cheer on. If you ever see someone die from injury inflicted due to hostile action, you might just begin to understand.
What you're saying is just mindless rhetoric

True cowards are those who sit idle while others are being ravaged. This Sgt stopped a massacre. You raised the temperature in your den getting all pissy over my post.

Well done Super Moderator.

 

[Tr0n]

It happens; I understand what's happening better than those who brush it off as a "nice shot". I understand the severity of it, and see the tragedy in it. I don't understand why it's ok to turn it death and killing into a perverted contest or celebration.

So do I, but you have to see the fact that no matter what any of us says it ain't gonna change anything.It ain't gonna stop people from cheering and so on and so on...He did make a good shot...he killed a human being.So yea be sad for the guy that died, but realize it's war and things won't change.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Look, your making out like the terrorists and the coalition is the same by saying "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".

freedom fighter is bs! capturing innocent people and beheading them setting bombs under civilian cars, its attrocious, and to think that some western guys/and girls in here are defending them.... tut

 

[Neutrino]

Look, your making out like the terrorists and the coalition is the same by saying "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".

freedom fighter is bs! capturing innocent people and beheading them setting bombs under civilian cars, its attrocious, and to think that some western guys in here are defending them.... tut

You're missing the point, if you are referring to my post. As I said, yes there are indeed some pretty horrible people that probably must be killed before they do harm to others. However, the point is that to label entire groups as evil terrorists without thinking is wrong. Not every Iraqi is a terrorist as so many people seem to believe.

Also, you say, "beheading them setting bombs under civilian cars, its attrocious." I of course agree. So then do you think that bombing civilians and massacring thousands of innocent Iraqis is not atrocious?

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Look, your making out like the terrorists and the coalition is the same by saying "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".

freedom fighter is bs! capturing innocent people and beheading them setting bombs under civilian cars, its attrocious, and to think that some western guys in here are defending them.... tut

You restored my hope in Brits... Look at the post. It was an amazing shot. If he hadn't made it a lot of innocent people would have died.

Check your attitudes for what you think was the best....

Come back at me and say neither should have died and pull your head out of your (you know)... What I posted was real. Not your communistic fantasy of... "The world should all love one another."

Thank goodness for people like him that risk their lives to preserve freedom around the globe.

 

[KoreBolteR]

You're missing the point, if you are referring to my post. As I said, yes there are indeed some pretty horrible people that probably must be killed before they do harm to others. However, the point is that to label entire groups as evil terrorists without thinking is wrong. Not every Iraqi is a terrorist as so many people seem to believe.

I didnt SAY all iraqis are terrorists?
i know a lot of the iraqis over there are good people.
im talking about the people who support terrorism.
the ones that kill innocent iraqi and worldwide citizens, they deserve to be killed, if they get captured, they will only be criticized and pressed by the world to free them over "human rights".

and think why look after these killer madmen in prison when you can just kill them , we cant look after ALL the terrorists in prison.
eliminate the people , who are trying to eliminate the world!

 

[bliink]

Come back at me and say neither should have died and pull your head out of your (you know)... What I posted was real. Not your communistic fantasy of... "The world should all love one another."

1962 just called, they want their attitude back.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

You're missing the point, if you are referring to my post. As I said, yes there are indeed some pretty horrible people that probably must be killed before they do harm to others. However, the point is that to label entire groups as evil terrorists without thinking is wrong. Not every Iraqi is a terrorist as so many people seem to believe.

Also, you say, "beheading them setting bombs under civilian cars, its attrocious." I of course agree. So then do you think that bombing civilians and massacring thousands of innocent Iraqis is not atrocious?

That Sgt. didn't kill an entire group. He killed a single mad man. And it was truely noteworthy. Worthy of recognition. Everything else read into this was for someone elses benifit.

 

[qckbeam]

Killing is justifiable depending on the instances.

Murder and killing are not the same thing. A murder involves a killing, but not all killings are murder.

Those people DESERVE to be killed. There is a fundamental part of the human brain that can tell right from wrong, regardless of upbringing. The people who perpetrate these acts either A: Lack that. Or B: Have it.. and do not care that it is wrong. These people ARE NOT HUMAN. Most Iraqis aren't like that. It blows the entire 'brought up that way' instances out of the water. Look at that picture for an example of something not human. Pleading for mercy- no, had those folks not caught him, he'd have BLOWN THEM UP when they got in their car to head off to work.

I fail to see how it blows the 'brought up that way' argument right out of the water. The majority of Americans aren't exactly brought up to hate gays for example, but some are. Some people have it drilled into their head throughout their whole life. They have it pounded into their skulls. I don't agree with those people, or think they're correct in their beliefs, but I do understand where it comes from, and I pity them. They were brainwashed. The same thing couldeasilyhave happened in Iraq. Children brought up to hate, fed lies, brainwashed into believing certain things, enrolled into extreme religious groups, etc. Considering the country these people were raised in, I'm not at all surprised this has happened to people, and I can't blame them. If I was born into an extremist family or group in a country such as Iraq and taught to hate, die for my religion, etc. I would have ended up like them. If they were born in my place, they would have ended up like me. It's tragic is all. Neccesary, but tragic.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

1962 just called, they want their attitude back.

Make me think like 'you' Super Moderator. It aint gonna happen. There is good in this world. And believe it or not there is evil in this world. (No reference to religion)...

And it takes good men to put evil men down.

 

[Neutrino]

That Sgt. didn't kill an entire group. He killed a single mad man.

I was speaking in general, not about him.

 

[qckbeam]

So do I, but you have to see the fact that no matter what any of us says it ain't gonna change anything.It ain't gonna stop people from cheering and so on and so on...He did make a good shot...he killed a human being.So yea be sad for the guy that died, but realize it's war and things won't change.

I'm still going to denouce something I think is wrong. Some people won't ever change, but some might.

 

[bliink]

Make me think like 'you' Super Moderator. It aint gonna happen. There is good in this world. And believe it or not there is evil in this world. (No reference to religion)...

And it takes good men to put evil men down.

Taking such a black and white perspective to the world is flawed from the beginning.
Have you not a shred of empathy? or understanding? or are you just blindly following what you're being spoon fed?

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Taking such a black and white perspective to the world is flawed from the beginning.
Have you not a shred of empathy? or understanding? or are you just blindly following what you're being spoon fed?

I have no empathy for:

He should be killed a 1000 times over. You empathize for him do you?

It is black and white through a scope that shows you he's planting a bomb in a market.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I fail to see how it blows the 'brought up that way' argument right out of the water. The majority of Americans aren't exactly brought up to hate gays for example, but some are. Some people have it drilled into their head throughout their whole life. They have it pounded into their skulls. I don't agree with those people, or think they're correct in their beliefs, but I do understand where it comes from, and I pity them. They were brainwashed. The same thing couldeasilyhave happened in Iraq. Children brought up to hate, fed lies, brainwashed into believing certain things, enrolled into extreme religious groups, etc. Considering the country these people were raised in, I'm not at all surprised this has happened to people, and I can't blame them. If I was born into an extremist family or group in a country such as Iraq and taught to hate, die for my religion, etc. I would have ended up like them. If they were born in my place, they would have ended up like me. It's tragic is all. Neccesary, but tragic.

People can see, once they're out of childhood, if things are right and wrong with moral and common sense. If they can't- as I said- they aren't human. I still stand by that.

No one can argue that the terrorist that the Sgt. killed did not help serve the greater good, and possibly save hundreds of innocent people.

I agree Sgt_Shellback, he deserves exactly that. Him and those like him need to wiped off the face of the planet. I hope the citizens gave him what he deserved.

 

[Tr0n]

Taking such a black and white perspective to the world is flawed from the beginning.
Have you not a shred of empathy? or understanding? or are you just blindly following what you're being spoon fed?

Well that's what this world pretty much is...black and white.Whose right whose wrong...

Good vs Evil...question is what side do you take?

 

[KoreBolteR]

Taking such a black and white perspective to the world is flawed from the beginning.
Have you not a shred of empathy? or understanding? or are you just blindly following what you're being spoon fed?

you could say that about you, are you blindly following what youve been spoon fed?

no i havnt been spoonfed actually, my mother isnt into politics, and my father just hates it when innocents get killed (as do i)

 

[Neutrino]

You empathize for him do you?

Depends what you mean by empathize. Is it for the best that he is dead? Probably. But do I consider him less than human as you obviously do? No. I think that attitude makes a person no better than the terrorists themselves.

People can see, once they're out of childhood, if things are right and wrong with moral and common sense. If they can't- as I said- they aren't human. I still stand by that.

Well, I don't wish to get into a big ethics/morality debate, but the idea of an innate sense of morality is quite controversial and something I disagree with.

 

[bliink]

I have no empathy for:


He should be killed a 1000 times over. You empathize for him do you?

Of course I do, he's another person, nothing should stop you at least attempting to see why people would choose to kill.
I'm not saying I would side with the guy.. but empathy is something all humans deserve

It is black and white through a scope that shows you he's planting a bomb in a market.

It most certainly is not... I mean, why would someone plant a bomb? what the story behind it? why are you shooting him? why are you protecting the people he seeks to destroy? and for who are you fighting? who's country is it? why are you there?
What are your motives? what is the context..

 

[CptStern]

i knew youde complain, LOL
look he killed a terrorist
terrorist = person trying to ruin the free world, capture innocent and kill innocent,

so killing these idiots makes sense. :sniper:

how do you know he was a terrorist? could he have been an insurgent? or maybe just some guy carrying an AK for protection? Alright, let's give him the benefit of the doubt and lets say the sgt had intel that said he was indeed a "terrorist" or at the very least suspected of terrorism. Bang! he's dead, Sgt turns to fellow marine and says "ye-haaa I shot that terrorist at over a kee-lometer" (I'm taking liberties with stereotypes for levity's sake here). It's now become a sport.

The soldier in question is proud enough of his accomplishment to let everybody know, or at least a choice few (see pg 1 photo) of how he had taken the life of .. not of a human being ..but of a terrorist. And that is what dehumanizes the whole situation ....... the victem/human/brother/son/terrorist/freedomfighter is reduced to a quick boast of ...."hey look I killed him from over a kee-lometer"







and here I thought you were there to help the people of iraq. This is exactly the same thing as terrorists boasting of killing americans ..the hypocracy is lost on you

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Well that's what this world pretty much is...black and white.Whose right whose wrong...

Good vs Evil...question is what side do you take?

Black and white.... the defeat of asshats like shown above and like the Sgt. vanquished is paramount.

Unless your black.... Super Moderator. What are you?

 

[qckbeam]

People can see, once they're out of childhood, if things are right and wrong with moral and common sense. If they can't- as I said- they aren't human. I still stand by that.

No one can argue that the terrorist that the Sgt. killed did not help serve the greater good, and possibly save hundreds of innocent people.

I agree Sgt_Shellback, he deserves exactly that. Him and those like him need to wiped off the face of the planet. I hope the citizens gave him what he deserved.

Look, I'm not saying the killing wasn't neccesary or the Sgt. is evil or anything like that. I'm simply saying death shouldn't be trivialied and turned into a contest. Most soldiers I've met seem to feel the same way.

Also, we're not talking the US here. In the US someone who's brainwashed to believe something as a child can easily have his eyes opened once he heads out on his own. But we're talking Iraq. The big, evil dictatorship that we had to take down ASAP? Remember that? Totally different country, totally different culture, totally different upbringings. Not exactly easy to get away from it there.