Nice work Sgt

[bliink]

Black and white.... the defeat of asshats like shown above and like the Sgt. vanquished is paramount.

Unless your black.... Super Moderator. What are you?

hehe.. what do you think this is? a cartoon? would you like me to wear a cape??

This is theatre and nothing more.

 

[Neutrino]

Well that's what this world pretty much is...black and white.Whose right whose wrong...

Good vs Evil...question is what side do you take?

The world is black and white, good and evil?

Then how come every issue has thousands if not millions of people on both sides? How come the US is practically split down the center politically and in some cases morally? Is everyone on one side evil? Which side would that be?

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

how do you know he was a terrorist? could he have been an insurgent? or maybe just some guy carrying an AK for protection? Alright, let's give him the benefit of the doubt and lets say the sgt had intel that said he was indeed a "terrorist" or at the very least suspected of terrorism. Bang! he's dead, Sgt turns to fellow marine and says "ye-haaa I shot that terrorist at over a kee-lometer" (I'm taking liberties with stereotypes for levity's sake here). It's now become a sport.

The soldier in question is proud enough of his accomplishment to let everybody know, or at least a choice few (see pg 1 photo) of how he had taken the life of .. not of a human being ..but of a terrorist. And that is what dehumanizes the whole situation ....... the person/father/brother/son/terrorist/freedomfighter is reduced to a quick boast of ...."hey look I killed him from over a kee-lometer"







and here I thought you were there to help the people of iraq. This is exactly the same thing as terrorists boasting of killing americans ..the hypocracy is lost on you

Or maybe we could listen to the people that were there and assume he was planting an IED.

Your take on it Cpt. is much more complelling though. Not so clear cut. And we know how people crave controversy so it's compelling to think that way. But the boring truth of combat is that it's often less than the hollywood premier you like to see.

The boring fact is that he killed a guy planting a bomb.

But agian... The candian sofa version is soooo much more intriguing.

 

[qckbeam]

The world is not black and white. That's just a completely ludicrous thing to say. It isn't Good vs. Evil, it isn't a blockbuster film. Real life is so much more complicated.

 

[Tr0n]

The world is black and white, good and evil?

Then how come every issue has thousands if not millions of people on both sides? How come the US is practically split down the center politically? Is everyone on one side evil? Which side would that be?

Hmmmm...

1.How does US politics relate to what I said?
2.I was being spirtual I guess you could say...
3.I knew I shoulda stayed out of this thread. :|

 

[KoreBolteR]

This is exactly the same thing as terrorists boasting of killing americans

ah, but theres a difference...
innocent americans being killed by Terrorists
and coalition (aka freedom fighters) killing Terrorists

its obvious
well if it was the other way round you think the terrorists would shed a tear for a marine.. dont think so.

whats the difference between an insurgent and a terrorist?

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

hehe.. what do you think this is? a cartoon? would you like me to wear a cape??

This is theatre and nothing more.

Here? Yes.. It's theater. You wear the black cape obviously. Out there it's different. You have no idea what the real world is like.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

how do you know he was a terrorist? could he have been an insurgent? or maybe just some guy carrying an AK for protection? Alright, let's give him the benefit of the doubt and lets say the sgt had intel that said he was indeed a "terrorist" or at the very least suspected of terrorism. Bang! he's dead, Sgt turns to fellow marine and says "ye-haaa I shot that terrorist at over a kee-lometer" (I'm taking liberties with stereotypes for levity's sake here). It's now become a sport.

The soldier in question is proud enough of his accomplishment to let everybody know, or at least a choice few (see pg 1 photo) of how he had taken the life of .. not of a human being ..but of a terrorist. And that is what dehumanizes the whole situation ....... the victem/human/brother/son/terrorist/freedomfighter is reduced to a quick boast of ...."hey look I killed him from over a kee-lometer"

and here I thought you were there to help the people of iraq. This is exactly the same thing as terrorists boasting of killing americans ..the hypocracy is lost on you

No, it is not the same at all.

First of all, knowing how sniping works, it would be confirmed very much so. I've got a story from Somalia, a good family friend of mine was there during the Black Hawk incidents (wasn't on that raid though, not shot down) He was a spotter for a sniper. Later, a few days after the incident, he spotted a Somali wearing a US Flight jacket, with pilot equipment. To get that, he'd have to have been one of the original people swarming the chopper and killing the wounded men.

Bodey called it in for the sniper. Was denied to take him out. You don't have free range to snipe just anyone.

The sniper ended up shooting him anyway right after, but then faced courtmartial (didn't get convicted, but lost everything, kicked out of the army) but that's a different story.

 

[qckbeam]

Here? Yes.. It's theater. You wear the black cape obviously. Out there it's different. You have no idea what the real world is like.

Says the man living in a fantasy

 

[bliink]

Here? Yes.. It's theater. You wear the black cape obviously. Out there it's different. You have no idea what the real world is like.

I think I have a better idea than you.. so far, all you've said is that the world is Good Vs. Evil. A laughable notion at best.

 

[Tr0n]

The world is not black and white. That's just a completely ludicrous thing to say. It isn't Good vs. Evil, it isn't a blockbuster film. Real life is so much more complicated.

Yes it is!Hell what you believe about killing is good vs evil...You say killing is bad (which I agree) that is pretty much evil.Hell if this world wasn't about good or evil humanity wouldn't be where it is now...no?Funny statement about how this is all a "movie"...I wonder sometimes if it is.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Says the man living in a fantasy

Him being to Iraq twice- I don't really think he's living in a fantasy.

 

[CptStern]

No, it is not the same at all.

First of all, knowing how sniping works, it would be confirmed very much so. I've got a story from Somalia, a good family friend of mine was there during the Black Hawk incidents (wasn't on that raid though, not shot down) He was a spotter for a sniper. Later, a few days after the incident, he spotted a Somali wearing a US Flight jacket, with pilot equipment. To get that, he'd have to have been one of the original people swarming the chopper and killing the wounded men.

Bodey called it in for the sniper. Was denied to take him out. You don't have free range to snipe just anyone.

The sniper ended up shooting him anyway right after, but then faced courtmartial (didn't get convicted, but lost everything, kicked out of the army) but that's a different story.

that's completely meaningless in this situation, I accounted for that

 

[qckbeam]

Him being to Iraq twice- I don't really think he's living in a fantasy.

Him talking about the world being black and white- I think he's a bit out of touch.

Yes it is!Hell what you believe about killing is good vs evil...You say killing is bad (which I agree) that is pretty much evil.Hell if this world wasn't about good or evil humanity wouldn't be where it is now...no?Funny statement about how this is all a "movie"...I wonder sometimes if it is.

Sometimes killing is neccesary, sometimes it's evil. It depends on the situation and reason for killing. That's just one example of something that's not in any way black and white.

 

[Tr0n]

Qck...don't say that...each and everyone of us lives in reality and sees it.I know you have had a bad life...(from reaks thread) just like me.We all have seen this world and all the bad and corruption.

So untill one of us walks a mile in a iraqi's shoes...we shouldn't say anything.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

The point I was trying to make was- he was confirmed to be a terrorist.

None of those people should even be considered human, I still dearly stand by that. It's common sense, not perspective. All of you KNOW RIGHT from WRONG, and you know who was horribly wrong here- luckily he's dead now.

 

[bliink]

Him being to Iraq twice- I don't really think he's living in a fantasy.

Yeah, you have any idea how many kids play Blackhawk down and are suddenly vets?

From his expression of opinion, i doubt he's an adult.

 

[CptStern]

The point I was trying to make was- he was confirmed to be a terrorist.

that's completely meaningless in this situation I accounted for that

None of those people should even be considered human, I still dearly stand by that. It's common sense, not perspective. All of you KNOW RIGHT from WRONG, and you know who was horribly wrong here- luckily he's dead now.

you're proving my point

 

[Neutrino]

Hmmmm...

1.How does US politics relate to what I said?

Because many of the issues involved in the recent political split are moral issues or have a ethical component. Gay marriage, adoption, the war in Iraq, etc. These are some of the major moral issues facing our society. The fact that the public is so divided seems to indicate these things are far from black and white.

2.I was being spirtual I guess you could say...

Yes, you could look at it that way. Many religions do hold that there are fundamental rights and wrongs. Only problem is which religion is right and which one is wrong?

3.I knew I shoulda stayed out of this thread. :|

Nah, you bring up good points to discuss.

Yes it is!Hell what you believe about killing is good vs evil...You say killing is bad (which I agree) that is pretty much evil.Hell if this world wasn't about good or evil humanity wouldn't be where it is now...no?Funny statement about how this is all a "movie"...I wonder sometimes if it is.

Hmm, I must disagree. I don't think there is any good or evil. Just us humans.

For instance, yes killing is generally considered as bad. But what about a father killing a person who raped his daughter? Is he evil? There are literally thousands of such situations and circumstances where ethics and morality become blurred and very hard to determine what exactly is right and wrong.

 

[Tr0n]

Yeah, you have any idea how many kids play Blackhawk down and are suddenly vets?

From his expression of opinion, i doubt he's an adult.

Guys don't start judgeing!We don't know what another has done...so shut the hell up.

 

[bliink]

Guys don't start judgeing!We don't know what another has done...so shut the hell up.

hehe, i think we all should, but thats unfair, so i think i shall impose upon myself exile from this hellhole of a thread :cheers: nice debate guys lol

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Look... Go back to the first post and keep in mind this guy killed a terrorist planting a bomb in a civilian neighborhood.

Than justify your objections to saying to the this Sgt. "Good job!"

You can't. You can only do the 'what ifs' and 'coulda beens'. And if 'I' were invloved it would be rose garden.

 

[CptStern]

Yeah, you have any idea how many kids play Blackhawk down and are suddenly vets?

From his expression of opinion, i doubt he's an adult.

nah sgtshellback is indeed a vet we've had our locking of horns in the past ....which makes it all that more disturbing

 

[KoreBolteR]

i just dont see why you lot are defending the guilty ones here, the "civilian killers", the threats to mankind.... as in Terrorists.

u seem to be agains anything going on iraq because you hate bush.
look im not keen on the guy, but im pro-iraq war, but you lot should separate hating bush/to whats going on in iraq.

bush going to iraq was a mistake, right
but as the troops are now IN IRAQ, all the terrorists are there too.

you lot have to start supporting our guys risking thier own lives for a better world.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

nah sgtshellback is indeed a vet we've had our locking of horns in the past ....which makes it all that more disturbing

Thanks Skipper... "I think" lol One error though. I'm not a vet till I'm out and while I'm too old to do anything but train the young guys I'm still in.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

that's completely meaningless in this situation I accounted for that



you're proving my point

Not proving any point towards that. I am not celebrating any deaths here, dancing in the streets for it.. mayhaps firing an AK jubilantly into the air and giving candy out in the streets? No, and I don't think anyone else on the side of those who are right is.

It is not a celebration. It is a relief. I am not glad that he had to die, but I am glad that he now is- because no longer will he be able to kill hundreds of innocents with a bomb.

 

[CptStern]

it's like talking to a ****ing brick wall here, not you necesarily rakurai

 

[Tr0n]

hehe, i think we all should, but thats unfair, so i think i shall impose upon myself exile from this hellhole of a thread :cheers: nice debate guys lol

I'm gonna do the same.

 

[KoreBolteR]

it's like talking to a ****ing brick wall here, not you necesarily rakurai

i agree, you lot just cant see that terrorists need to be eliminated

 

[qckbeam]

Qck...don't say that...each and everyone of us lives in reality and sees it.I know you have had a bad life...(from reaks thread) just like me.We all have seen this world and all the bad and corruption.

So untill one of us walks a mile in a iraqi's shoes...we shouldn't say anything.

That's kind of my point Tr0n...

We don't really know anything about the person that's dead now, other that that he's dead, and it was probably a necessary action on the soldiers part to kill him. He's a person, one that's lived a life we can't even begin to understand. It's reasonable to believe he's just the product of his family, culture and experiences. So why call him scum, and less than human? We don't know that, and it's wrong to cheapen life in such a way. It's a tragedy and it should be treated as such. Someone was killed, it isn't reason for celebration.

If Sgt. Shellback is the way he is because of his life experiences, like I said, I understand it, and frankly feel pity for someone who's obviously lead a rather closed life. It doesn't make his beliefs right though, and it's hardly justification for them. At least he has the opportunity to see things from different view points if he wishes. I'm sure it's more of a chance to change than the insurgents have had.

 

[Neutrino]

i just dont see why you lot are defending the guilty ones here, the "civilian killers", the threats to mankind.... as in Terrorists.

The "civilian killers?"

Seems an odd choice of words. What civillians are we talking about? American civilians or Iraqi civilians?

"Civillian killers....as in terrorists"

Hmm, wait now I'm really confused. Which side do you mean?

 

[CptStern]

i agree, you lot just cant see that terrorists need to be eliminated

that's what they say about you

 

[KoreBolteR]

The "civilian killers?"

Seems an odd choice of words. What civillians are we talking about? American civilians or Iraqi civilians?

"Civillian killers....as in terrorists"

Hmm, wait now I'm really confused. Which side do you mean?

human civilians, all the innocent civilians in the world
what do you mean by "sides"? in "Which side do you mean?"

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

i agree, you lot just cant see that terrorists need to be eliminated

Terrorist need to be elimanted. Extremists on all sides need to STFU. Then these guys would have the eutopia they want. The hard rule of it is though that only dedicated, tough men, can make that happen.

 

[Neutrino]

human civilians, all the innocent civilians in the world

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. So that makes the United States terrorists, no?

 

[KoreBolteR]

that's what they say about you

what do you mean Cpt? :O

 

[Raziaar]

Well, I haven't read any other posts in this thread besides the first few, and i'm surprised. I honestly think Stern smiles every time a US soldier is killed. His behavior of making such a big deal about suspected terrorists being killed who are armed with weapons and yet never even discussing or sympathising with the american soldier casualties who are killed in suicide bombings, etc is what leads me to believe this.

I know i'm going to take alot of heat for saying that, but I stand by it.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. So that makes the United States terrorists, no

no cos i dont see any american in this world capturing and beheading civilians around the world.. :hmph:

Well, I haven't read any other posts in this thread besides the first few, and i'm surprised. I honestly think Stern smiles every time a US soldier is killed.

i dont think stern would smile, its just i think hes a little brainwashed and anti-american , hehe

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

that's what they say about you

No they don't. They know well that we take extreme care around innocents. Thus thier tactics to shield themsleves with innocents and kill innocents to gain power.

They don't say we are the same at all.

 

[CptStern]

Well, I haven't read any other posts in this thread besides the first few, and i'm surprised. I honestly think Stern smiles every time a US soldier is killed. His behavior of making such a big deal about suspected terrorists being killed who are armed with weapons and yet never even discussing or sympathising with the american soldier casualties who are killed in suicide bombings, etc is what leads me to believe this.

I know i'm going to take alot of heat for saying that, but I stand by it.

you really are a dumbass ...sorry, but that is totally baseless and without merit ..do yourself a favour and read the whole thread before you shoot your mouth off