Poll on Abortion

[Absinthe]

I'm for it. Let's kill our problems. Who needs babies anyways?

Your sarcasm aside...

something i've heard:

"All the people who vote pro abortion, have already been born."

i love that saying

It's an effective non-argument.

 

[ALEXDJ]

i actually saw it on a bumber sticker
funny how it stopped all the argument

 

[Sprafa]

The problem is inherent in the system. I always believed we shouldn't be allowed to raise our own kids, because 70% of parents simply carry on their bullshit onto the next generation.

If abortion should be allowed ? Certainly. But as The Mullinator said, just when it's in the early ages. When it's already advanced into a conscient, I believe it should be allowed to conceive and if the mother doesn't wants it, donated to Government institutions.

 

[GiaOmerta]

Your sarcasm aside...

Who says I was being sarcastic?

 

[Absinthe]

If you weren't, then my mistake. It just struck me that way.

 

[ALEXDJ]

The problem is inherent in the system. I always believed we shouldn't be allowed to raise our own kids, because 70% of parents simply carry on their bullshit onto the next generation.

If abortion should be allowed ? Certainly. But as The Mullinator said, just when it's in the early ages. When it's already advanced into a conscient, I believe it should be allowed to conceive and if the mother doesn't wants it, donated to Government institutions.

don't you understand, if a young girl get's pregnet and get an abortion, she is not going to learn her lesson, but if that one careless night is going to ruin her whole life, then she would learn her lesson and make sure her children will learn it too and so on and so on

ban the abortion, end of discussion

 

[ríomhaire]

wtf.. its Illegal in Ireland?

hmm i learn something new everyday.

The constitution says life begins at conception so it is murder.

 

[ALEXDJ]

they are right^

 

[Absinthe]

don't you understand, if a young girl get's pregnet and get an abortion, she is not going to learn her lesson, but if that one careless night is going to ruin her whole life, then she would learn her lesson and make sure her children will learn it too and so on and so on

ban the abortion, end of discussion

So let's rear up the poor child with a shite life just so mom can learn a lesson.

they are right^

That's your opinion. I don't see any reason to believe life begins at conception.

 

[ALEXDJ]

So let's rear up the poor child with a shite life just so mom can learn a lesson.
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trust me, people will be a lot more resposible about sex, and what would you rather see, that poor child never born or have a shitty childhood? i'd rather take the shitty childhood (which i actually had)

 

[Absinthe]

trust me, people will be a lot more resposible about sex, and what would you rather see, that poor child never born or have a shitty childhood? i'd rather take the shitty childhood (which i actually had)

No, I don't think people would be a lot more responsible. I think you'd just find more people resorting to coathangers and seedy illegal abortion clinics.

What exactly is being lost if the child isn't born?

 

[el Chi]

don't you understand, if a young girl get's pregnet and get an abortion, she is not going to learn her lesson, but if that one careless night is going to ruin her whole life, then she would learn her lesson and make sure her children will learn it too and so on and so on

ban the abortion, end of discussion

No, you're wrong. I can't begin to stress how starkly misguided you are.
If you ban abortions outright, you get the rather undesirable practise of back-street abortions. A medical procedure is infinitely better than a wire coat-hanger.

 

[Pogrom]

don't you understand, if a young girl get's pregnet and get an abortion, she is not going to learn her lesson, but if that one careless night is going to ruin her whole life, then she would learn her lesson and make sure her children will learn it too and so on and so on

ban the abortion, end of discussion

Anyone who wants to ban abortion go see the movie Vera Drake.

Then try and argue with any validity that banning abortion is a good thing.

All that will do is move abortions from clinics to back alleys and dingy back rooms. Threat of infection and death will be much higher.

It is a fact that people are going to have premarital sex. And there will always be some who fall pregnant against their wishes, and want an abortion. No amount of education will change that.

And why should the woman be punished for something that is as much the guys fault, if not more? Let's face it, most guys will pressure their girlfriends for sex. Why should the girl always have to be the responsible one?

I propose this: If abortion is outlawed and women are forced to have the babies they don't want, then the man who got them pregnant should be forced to marry them and support both the mother and children for their entire life.

I reckon that sounds about fair.

 

[AzzMan]

trust me, people will be a lot more resposible about sex, and what would you rather see, that poor child never born or have a shitty childhood? i'd rather take the shitty childhood (which i actually had)

Yea and said kid grows up and ends up stabbing you for crack money one night, good job ;D

 

[Beerdude26]

This has probably all been said before, but I would just like to tell my opinion on the situation.

That womand is a dumb *****. She has sex, without a condom I presume (it's not stated in the the message) and then, she wants an abortion. If there was a hole in the condom or the anti-pregnancy pills don't work or whatever, then I would agree. Otherwise, it's just a waste of life, time and money (the three most charished things in the world).

 

[ALEXDJ]

No, I don't think people would be a lot more responsible. I think you'd just find more people resorting to coathangers and seedy illegal abortion clinics.

What exactly is being lost if the child isn't born?

what do you loose if your mom had desided to get an abortion back in the day?

What?

 

[ALEXDJ]

Yea and said kid grows up and ends up stabbing you for crack money one night, good job ;D

i came for a single mom family and my childhood sucked, does that mean i have to go and do crack?

dude, you are just stereotyping and being ignorant, (no offence)

 

[ALEXDJ]

No amount of education will change that.

And why should the woman be punished for something that is as much the guys fault, if not more? Let's face it, most guys will pressure their girlfriends for sex. .

very bold statment

let's face it, girl can always say "no"

it all comes down to education

 

[The Monkey]

very bold statment

let's face it, girl can always say "no"

it all comes down to education

You know, even educated girls want to have fun, and they shouldn't be forces to bear the responsibility of a child because of that, nor should they be forced to carry the child for nine months.

 

[ALEXDJ]

they shouldn't be forces to bear the responsibility of a child because of that, nor should they be forced to carry the child for nine months.

you are responsible for all of your actions, that's the real world

grow up

 

[Absinthe]

what do you loose if your mom had desided to get an abortion back in the day?

What?

I don't lose anything, since I don't exist yet.

you are responsible for all of your actions, that's the real world

grow up

Your definition of taking responsibility places a burden not only on the mother, but the child as well.

You want to talk about the real world? Then accept the fact that people will still have sex for fun and that abortions will take place regardless of their legality. No amount of "education" is going to change that. How's that for a reality check?

 

[The Monkey]

you are responsible for all of your actions, that's the real world

grow up

True, but if there is a safe way of getting rid of the "problem" (let's face it, to many couples it is), then why not use it. That baby was never alive, so therefore you don't kill anything or anyone.

 

[Kebean PFC]

I do take responsibility for my actions, but who's fault is it when the condom breaks? Was it mine? No, I was using it as it was meant to be used. Why should I and my partner have to pay for and raise this child? Becuase plastic/latex'whatever failed? I don't think so.

I also think that every child born should have a good upbringing, and that means parents need to have the time to be with thier child. How can i be with my child when i am working 15 hours a day to pay for him/her? How can i provide for them if i dont have a college degree?

What this turns into is a child being brought up in a slum or ghetto. A child that will know a life of pain, sorrow and guilt. Is that what they deserve? And you prattle about responsibility...

 

[Calanen]

What this turns into is a child being brought up in a slum or ghetto. A child that will know a life of pain, sorrow and guilt. Is that what they deserve? And you prattle about responsibility...

I think its a bit harsh to imply that everyone who lives in a ghetto moves on to a life of crime or is a wasted life. Life is what you make it. You get to choose. Even if you are in a ghetto, you can study at night and work your ass off.

I had very little opportunity given to me as a child, and a lot of disadvantaqes. Now I could have bitched about it and said the world owes me a living and its everyone's fault. Or, I did what I could to get into university and make something of myself.

I drove taxis at night to pay for two university degrees.

And if you cannot afford a college education - join the military. The GI bill gives you a college degree at the military's expense if you are in for 4 years.

The only person really with any excuses is the vegetable in the wheelchair. Everyone else - has to ask - am I doing all I can? And if the answer is No, then they are not doing enough.

 

[Pogrom]

very bold statment

let's face it, girl can always say "no"

it all comes down to education

But that's my point entirely: Why should she have to be the one who says no?

I say we should educate people that the guy is just as responsible as the girl when it comes to pregnancy.

 

[GiaOmerta]

you are responsible for all of your actions, that's the real world

grow up

I agree.

You want to talk about the real world? Then accept the fact that people will still have sex for fun and that abortions will take place regardless of their legality. No amount of "education" is going to change that. How's that for a reality check?

**** em. Your right education wouldnt do it. Their parents giving them a swift kick in the ass will.

 

[ALEXDJ]

I do take responsibility for my actions, but who's fault is it when the condom breaks? Was it mine? No, I was using it as it was meant to be used. Why should I and my partner have to pay for and raise this child? Becuase plastic/latex'whatever failed? I don't think so.

I also think that every child born should have a good upbringing, and that means parents need to have the time to be with thier child. How can i be with my child when i am working 15 hours a day to pay for him/her? How can i provide for them if i dont have a college degree?

What this turns into is a child being brought up in a slum or ghetto. A child that will know a life of pain, sorrow and guilt. Is that what they deserve? And you prattle about responsibility...

as i said before, every time you have sex, no matter protected or unprotected, you have to accept the fact that there is always a chance of getting pregnet

 

[ALEXDJ]

But that's my point entirely: Why should she have to be the one who says no?

I say we should educate people that the guy is just as responsible as the girl when it comes to pregnancy.

why should she HAS to be the one to say no?
well, she doesn't have to if you does want sex, but if she doesn't he just says 'no'

and the guy is just as responsible as the girl, no question in that

as they say 'it takes two'

 

[The Monkey]

as i said before, every time you have sex, no matter protected or unprotected, you have to accept the fact that there is always a chance of getting pregnet

Why should you have to risk destroying your life every time you have sex? Responsibility? Bullocks, they should not be responsable for a child when there are easy ways out.

 

[ALEXDJ]

Why should you have to risk destroying your life every time you have sex? Responsibility? Bullocks, they should not be responsable for a child when there are easy ways out.

because, as an adult, you take responsobility for every action that you do (like having sex)

easy way out means killing a human life?

oooook

 

[el Chi]

ALEXDJ: Just out of interest - do you agree with euthanasia?

 

[Absinthe]

because, as an adult, you take responsobility for every action that you do (like having sex)

And you know how I'd take responsibility? I'd deal with my problem.

How would I deal with my problem? I'd have an abortion.

easy way out means killing a human life?

oooook

It's not life.

 

[AzzMan]

The way I see it, abortion is no more murder than putting antisceptic on a wound to kill bacteria.

 

[GiaOmerta]

Does bacteria have the potenial to become a sentinel?

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Sentient...heh.

If you don't want a baby, don't get pregnant. Seriously, if you don't want a baby that much, then just don't have sex. Honestly, people need to think about the consequences of their actions, and frankly saying "Oh...well I can just get an abortion" is a perfect example of the frivalous atttudes of people today. I don't just mean the loss of life, even though that is massivly important, I mean the way people always look for the quick fix instead of doing the right thing in the first place.

And you know what. If for some reason abortion isn't an option, then what are you gonna do? Messed up your whole life, just because you couldn't think past your sex organs.

 

[ríomhaire]

BTW to all people who think that everyone against abortion is an American fundemtalist there have been to referendoms to try to bring it abortion into Ireland. Both failed.

 

[jimbo118]

BTW to all people who think that everyone against abortion is an American fundemtalist there have been to referendoms to try to bring it abortion into Ireland. Both failed.

yeah their called irish fundamentalists

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

People use the word fundamentalist far too often... its just become another label for those who don't agree with you, and its stupid.

 

[GiaOmerta]

Farrowle, you speak the truth.
I trully this is the orgin to many of the problems which plague humanity. The lack of concern for future generations. Why not conserve the water of the oasis. Why drink it all? We don't need it all, we'll function and coop with what we have and that which we drink, why don't we drink at a balanced rate so the oasis is able to replense in the mean time. If we drink to fast and too much, what will our children drink? Ahhh your solution, Absinthe solves the puzzle. We shall murder our children and we shall drink their blood.

 

[baxter]

We shall murder our children and we shall drink their blood.

Stop talking crap pal; your postings are nothing but flaming and self centred drivel