Robert Pickton found guilty on 6 counts of 2nd-degree murder

[Emporius]

For all of those who have been following the case, I was wondering what your opinion is on the subject. Is this a fair ruling? Should their be more trials?

I am personally annoyed that they didn't manage to catch him on first degree, and that there may not be a second trial for more women.

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Who is he again?

 

[Emporius]

He was a B.C. Pig farmer who murdered around 49 women

 

[Nemesis6]

49 women, 6 counts...?

By the way, even after reading up on first and second degree, I can't see the difference - Does second degree really mean he just bumped into them and killed them with no pre-meditation?

 

[Emporius]

49 women, 6 counts...?

Well they've found evidence of 49 women/ his testimonies, but the case they just finished wa sonly for six

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Send him to das gas chamberz

 

[Nemesis6]

Send him to das gas chamberz

die, not das.

 

[Emporius]

A B.C. Supreme Court jury on Sunday found Robert William Pickton guilty on six counts of second-degree murder in the deaths of women who disappeared from Vancouver's Downtown Eastside.

The seven men and five women on the jury returned to the court in New Westminster with their decision after nine full days of deliberations.

Lead crown prosecutor Mike Petrie, right, and associate Derrill Prevett leave the B.C. Supreme Court in New Westminster, B.C., on Sunday.

Pickton showed no emotion as the verdicts were read.

The 58-year-old pig farmer from Port Coquitlam, B.C., was arrested in 2002 and had been charged with first-degree murder in the six deaths.

He still faces murder charges in connection with the deaths of 20 other women, but no decision has been made on whether to hold a second trial, B.C. Attorney General Wally Oppal said.

The gas chambers would be too good for him

 

[Nemesis6]

If we're gonna discuss appropriate punishments, I have an idea: Chop him up into 8 proportional pieces, spread it on his own farm and let him fertilize his own land.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Lock him up in jail for the rest of his life with no chance of parole.

 

[Pesmerga]

Lock him up in jail for the rest of his life with no chance of portal.

 

[Solaris]

We should draw and quarter him, hangings too good for him! And prisons like a bloody holiday camp!

 

[Viperidae]

Funny how people only pay attention to the crime after conviction. The body count statistics have been around for ages.

 

[Raziaar]

I say you lock him up in prison for life, give him a computer to use, a library to read from and enjoy new activities. Maybe he can have some conjugal visits so he still can enjoy the joys of sex. Maybe he can get out on parole and go back to pig farming and live life anew!

 

[mchammer75040]

We should cart him off to one of our "secret" torture camps where he is raped by mules everyday of his life. If were gonna waste tax dollars on keeping this asshole alive I better see some action out of it. A sequel to M.r. Hands anyone?:naughty:

 

[Saturos]

We should cart him off to one of our "secret" torture camps where he is raped by mules everyday of his life. If were gonna waste tax dollars on keeping this asshole alive I better see some action out of it. A sequel to M.r. Hands anyone?:naughty:

Sounds appropriate, but I expected the first reaction from people on this site to be this...

Lock him up in jail for the rest of his life with no chance of parole.

or...as Raziaar more homorously put it...

I say you lock him up in prison for life, give him a computer to use, a library to read from and enjoy new activities. Maybe he can have some conjugal visits so he still can enjoy the joys of sex. Maybe he can get out on parole and go back to pig farming and live life anew!

which goes along with...

Lock him up in jail for the rest of his life with no chance of portal.

which in this case, if he was an extreme Half-Life2/portal fan this would be quite torturous, but not as much if...

If we're gonna discuss appropriate punishments, I have an idea: Chop him up into 8 proportional pieces, spread it on his own farm and let him fertilize his own land.

However, this is too beneficial, so just salt the entire land and just...

Send him to das gas chamberz

but this is a total waste of money as bullets are much cheaper, and so was that trial a waste of money. Nuff said.

 

[Nemesis6]

I say you lock him up in prison for life, give him a computer to use, a library to read from and enjoy new activities. Maybe he can have some conjugal visits so he still can enjoy the joys of sex. Maybe he can get out on parole and go back to pig farming and live life anew!

 

[CptStern]

disinformation ftl

first of all he was initially charged with 26 counts of first degree murder. He faced 6 charges this time around and in subsequent trials he'll face another 20 charges of first degree murder. This isnt over

and canada long ago abolished capital punishment, not that a quick release would serve any sort of justice

 

[Eejit]

I say you lock him up in prison for life, give him a computer to use, a library to read from and enjoy new activities. Maybe he can have some conjugal visits so he still can enjoy the joys of sex. Maybe he can get out on parole and go back to pig farming and live life anew!

And being raped by other inmates ofc.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

/sees capital punishment debate coming....

/runs away.

 

[Saturos]

disinformation ftl

first of all he was initially charged with 26 counts of first degree murder. He faced 6 charges this time around and in subsequent trials he'll face another 20 charges of first degree murder. This isnt over

and canada long ago abolished capital punishment, not that a quick release would serve any sort of justice

Oh shit, here we go again. Hello Cap'n. Did ya miss me?:angel:

 

[CptStern]

Oh shit, here we go again. Hello Cap'n. Did ya miss me?:angel:

...have we met?

 

[Saturos]

...have we met?

Oh that's great, you already forgot. Well, might as well start over. How do you do? I'm Saturos! Pleased to meet you!

 

[CptStern]

I cant be expected to remember everyone who visits this section ..anyways what was your point?

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Can't quote quotes D:

Anway -snip-

Oh come off it, Prison "Luxury" is incredibly overexxagerated.

 

[Raziaar]

I wasn't serious with what I said. I don't feel such people deserve the privilege of living the rest of their days out in prison.

Horrible torture, followed immediately by painful death is the way to go.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Horrible torture, followed immediately by painful death is the way to go.

Yeah, thats fine.

Bob: "Hey, you know subject A we tortured brutaly last night? The one who has severe physcological damage."
Steve: "Yeah"
Bob: "Hes innocent D:"

It gets even worse with death.

 

[Raziaar]

Yeah, thats fine.

Bob: "Hey, you know subject A we tortured brutaly last night? The one who has severe physcological damage."
Steve: "Yeah"
Bob: "Hes innocent D:"

It gets even worse with death.

There's cases out there where the offended is completely, undeniably guilty, backed up by thousands and thousands of sources of DNA evidence and crime scene forensics. Times where there isn't even a shred of doubt in the slightest.

Those are the situations where I'd support it, so don't give me that crap. I obviously wouldn't back it in a case where there is rampant criticism of police laziness and accidental evidence tampering and the like, or cocksure prosecutors simply looking to win. Those are the situations that innocent people are locked up.


Anyways, I've been watching these shows on TV about prison life in some of the maximum security prisons. Man, these guys eat way better food than I do. :O

 

[CptStern]

ugh what the hell are you eating? ..I spent 17 hours in an american jail ..food found on the floor in the back of an alley has more nutritional value


there are more than a few cases of DNA wrongly convicting someone, it's not foolproof

http://www.innocenceproject.org/docs/newsletter_0607.html

in any event this is canada; no captial punishment

 

[Raziaar]

ugh what the hell are you eating? ..I spent 17 hours in an american jail ..food found on the floor in the back of an alley has more nutritional value

Not saying all prisons have good food. Just that these ones did. The prisoners worked in the kitchen and they were allowed to learn to cook and stuff, and prepared these big meals to feed the other prisoners. Kitchens were clean, food was prepared properly. I'm talking about roasts, lasagna, meatloafs, pizza, all sorts of good looking food. Stuff I'd want to eat.

I don't really often get to eat foods like lasagna, roasts or meatloaf.

A good meatloaf is one of my favorite foods.

It was the furthest thing from buckets of tasteless slop that I've ever seen, which is what I'd hope we'd be feeding our prisoners as long as it meets nutritional requirements.


EDIT: The prison systems apparently demand(and receive) higher quality food than the school systems. That's messed up.


Found this food convention video. In California, heh.

http://www.slatev.com/player.html?id=1182700684

 

[CptStern]

ugh even if I wasnt a vegetarian the thought of meatloaf makes me sick ..hated it when I was a meat eater

still cafeteria food is horrid regardless of where it is and who is serving it ..nothing beats a homecooked meal which I guess is the point of being incarcerated

also raz you should teach yourself to cook the meals you crave ...fresh pizza is extremely easy to make and was one of my staples back when I was a bachelor ..you can buy a dough ball, flatten it add sauce, toppings and stick it in the oven for 20 minutes ..beats any delivery pizza hands down

 

[Raziaar]

ugh even if I wasnt a vegetarian the thought of meatloaf makes me sick ..hated it when I was a meat eater

still cafeteria food is horrid regardless of where it is and who is serving it ..nothing beats a homecooked meal which I guess is the point of being incarcerated

also raz you should teach yourself to cook the meals you crave ...fresh pizza is extremely easy to make and was one of my staples back when I was a bachelor ..you can buy a dough ball, flatten it add sauce, toppings and stick it in the oven for 20 minutes ..beats any delivery pizza hands down

I know how to cook good meals man. It's a matter of being able to get the ingredients in hand, and meat isn't one of the cheapest things around or fresh vegetables and all that jazz.

Pizza however isn't one of those things I know how to make. I'd rather make the dough fresh than buy it from someplace.

Meatloaf though... I can understand not liking it if you've had bad meatloaf, but there are some AMAZING meatloaf recipes. Alton Brown makes delicious meatloaf.

But did you see that video? Inmates are getting much higher quality of food than the kids in our school systems are.

 

[CptStern]

I know how to cook good meals man. It's a matter of being able to get the ingredients in hand, and meat isn't one of the cheapest things around or fresh vegetables and all that jazz.

unless you go to the butcher and get the exact weight you need ..meat shouldnt be the main part of the meal anyways

Pizza however isn't one of those things I know how to make. I'd rather make the dough fresh than buy it from someplace.

that's way too much work, I've done it in the past and it adds at least an hour to prep time

Meatloaf though... I can understand not liking it if you've had bad meatloaf, but there are some AMAZING meatloaf recipes. Alton Brown makes delicious meatloaf.

ugh, it's ground beef, minced even ..with stuff added to it :x

at least roast is real meat

But did you see that video? Inmates are getting much higher quality of food than the kids in our school systems are.

I cant watch it however you said it was in canada, which is weird because we dont have a food in schools program, my son brown bags it to school

 

[Raziaar]

I cant watch it however you said it was in canada, which is weird because we dont have a food in schools program, my son brown bags it to school

Sorry, I meant California. It said California, but I translated as Canada probably because you were mentioning canada previously.

unless you go to the butcher and get the exact weight you need ..meat shouldnt be the main part of the meal anyways

Meat is such a rarity for me these days. I'd like to eat more, I just don't eat much.

ugh, it's ground beef, minced even ..with stuff added to it

Good quality ground beef is real meat. Good quality ground beef has the finest cuts of meat in it, and not crap stuff, at least when you have them grind it for you at the store with select cuts(I learned this from Alton Brown on Good Eats). Besides, I like my meatloaf loaded with vegetables. Tasty stuff, that.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

There's cases out there where the offended is completely, undeniably guilty, backed up by thousands and thousands of sources of DNA evidence and crime scene forensics. Times where there isn't even a shred of doubt in the slightest.

There is no such thing as 100% certainty. DNA records have gone arwy before, as Stern pointed out.

 

[Raziaar]

I'm not talking about DNA Mishaps. <shakes his head>

Geez... you guys have NEVER been familiar with cases that have so much overwhelming evidence, it's impossible to think the guy might somehow be innocent?

Oh come the **** on, you guys are naive.

Never heard of the serial killer David Parker Ray? He's a PERFECT example of a serial killer/rapist that it's completely unfathomable to believe could somehow be innocent. An escaped victim, his custom built shack of horrors, audio clips, pictures, all sorts of crap linking him to the crime.

There are plenty of other serial killers who keep token mementos of their crimes, showing them committing their heinous acts of murder, etc. Some even going so far as videotaping their rapes and murders with them in the scenes, able to be determined to be them by unique identifying skin elements.

You study those cases, look at ALL the evidence against them, and tell me that there isn't 100% certainty the guy committed the acts.


I'm not talking about stupid shit like you guys are, in situations where somebody is convicted based on a pinprick of blood evidence or a single strand of hair in the fingernails of a victim.

 

[CptStern]

yes but that's not how the justice system, all they have to prove is there is no reasonable doubt to his guilt ..what you're talking about would only come during the sentencing phase, and by that time they've already determined whether the crimes are worthy of captial punishment

 

[Raziaar]

yes but that's not how the justice system, all they have to prove is there is no reasonable doubt to his guilt ..what you're talking about would only come during the sentencing phase, and by that time they've already determined whether the crimes are worthy of captial punishment

What's your point?

I'm basically telling you that there are cases out there where there is a 100% certainty the person committed the crimes. Videos, photos of the acts, and confessions sometimes too.

I think it's stupid to think that every case has some doubt in it. And they would, if it weren't for the perversions of suspects who film and basically place show themselves committing the crimes.

 

[CptStern]

What's your point? I'm basically telling you that there are cases out there where there is a 100% certainty the person committed the crimes. Videos, photos of the acts, and confessions sometimes too.

my point is obvious ..being guilty and being 100% guilty isnt a distinction in the eyes of the law ..you either commit a crime that merits captial punishment or you dont

I think it's stupid to think that every case has some doubt in it. And they would, if it weren't for the perversions of suspects who film and basically place show themselves committing the crimes.

who said every case has doubt? all I said was that the crown has to prove without reasonable doubt

 

[Eejit]

I'm not talking about DNA Mishaps. <shakes his head>

Geez... you guys have NEVER been familiar with cases that have so much overwhelming evidence, it's impossible to think the guy might somehow be innocent?

OJ?