Sex Before Marriage?

[Nat Turner]

poseyjmac:

You're running your life based on your unsubstantiated facts and frivolous opinions, and actually denying yourself of pleasure over nothingness. Why are you such a fanatic for your cause? Will you really gain anything? Your "wife" who you don't even know yet has all these opinions? How do you know that she'll care so much? It's all in your mind.

Only fanatics or tools would remain abstinent for the reasons you suggest.

 

[kirovman]

Hmm, I think people who wait for such a "gift" will inevitably end up disappointed.

 

[CptStern]

so then why are you posting right now?

I dont have to justify it but it doesnt prevent me from replying to your insulting remarks

False. ive already agreed that sex is more than a physical act.

whether you agree or not is immaterial if you dont follow through on that agreement

it doesn't make the gift any less meaningful. it just makes her gift not as great.

yet you say that it isnt motivated by selfishness ..it's the same thing as giving a gift so you will receive one back ...and you're attaching purity to a physical act ..the gift is just as pure as it is given out of love ..NOT out of selfishness

you weren't pissed off till you thought i had insulted your wife. but no i didn't do that. btw this is a forum. getting angry won't do you any good but make your posts more sloppy.

I didnt "think" you insulted my relationship with my wife:

I said:

stop being a jackass that's not all there is to it ..with that attitude I really dont feel like elaborating

and you replied:

yeah exactly. go use your penis, don't bother using your brain. your wife doesn't care for that anyway

 

[Nat Turner]

Hmm, I think people who wait for such a "gift" will inevitably end up disappointed.

Yeah, then they almost realize "shit I wasted my whole life", but then go into denial and think it was worth it.

 

[poseyjmac]

poseyjmac has terrible logic and reasoning in what he's trying to say.

At least he's only ruining his own life through abstinence. My theory is that he's psychologically unable to be happy having premarital sex, because he has been brainwashed to a false sense of morality. He would feel guilty. It's really sad.

He has to be happy by not experiencing the greatest pleasure in life during his sexual prime.
I can be happy and also experience this great pleasure.

I kinda feel sorry for him.

edit: clarifying

please don't tell me you're a psychologist or studying to be one. if so, id recommend construction or plumbing.

the fact that im a happy person proves that im not ruining my life.

also to understand where im coming from. im heterosexual, but i don't really go out that much because i prefer playing on the computer, mapping in source, or working out in the garage. i hang out with friends and do songwriting, and that makes me happy. maybe someday ill meet a girl ill fall in love with because i think girls are swell and they are very attractive to me.

but you see my happiness isn't dictated whether or not i have a companion. im self-sufficient, i don't need to rely on another sexually for happiness. but then i don't punish myself, or make myself suffer because of some twisted ideal. i do what feels good to me. that is my ideal. and if i wanted to have sex with a girl every night. well i could very well do it, and i wouldn't have any moral qualms about it, because tbh im a very attractive guy with a bruce lee like physique and a charming personality. but whatever floats my boat is my outlook. and right now i don't want all the baggage that comes with a serious relationship, nor do i want meaningless sex.

 

[Llama]

please don't tell me you're a psychologist or studying to be one. if so, id recommend construction or plumbing.

the fact that im a happy person proves that im not ruining my life.

also to understand where im coming from. im heterosexual, but i don't really go out that much because i prefer playing on the computer, mapping in source, or working out in the garage. i hang out with friends and do songwriting, and that makes me happy. maybe someday ill meet a girl ill fall in love with because i think girls are swell and they are very attractive to me.

but you see my happiness isn't dictated whether or not i have a companion. im self-sufficient, i don't need to rely on another sexually for happiness. but then i don't punish myself, or make myself suffer because of some twisted ideal. i do what feels good to me. that is my ideal. and if i wanted to have sex with a girl every night. well i could very well do it, and i wouldn't have any moral qualms about it, because tbh im a very attractive guy with a bruce lee like physique and a charming personality. but whatever floats my boat is my outlook. and right now i don't want all the baggage that comes with a serious relationship, nor do i want meaningless sex.

4000 posts...insulting Stern, even though he clearly knows more about life than you...
Holy shit, where did you crawl from? :sniper:

 

[poseyjmac]

whether you agree or not is immaterial if you dont follow through on that agreement

well then, you better hire a private investigator to make sure i follow through!

yet you say that it isnt motivated by selfishness ..it's the same thing as giving a gift so you will receive one back ...and you're attaching purity to a physical act ..the gift is just as pure as it is given out of love ..NOT out of selfishness

what makes it valuable is the fact that it isn't summoned up in one sentence of 'i love you' in one minute. they are long years.

 

[CptStern]

well then, you better hire a private investigator to make sure i follow through!

is that supposed to be a response? glad to see all points are getting through

what makes it valuable is the fact that it isn't summoned up in one sentence of 'i love you' in one minute. they are long years.

and you've come to this conclusion how? through years of experience with multiple partners? through multiple long term relationships spanning serval years each? :upstare: ..in every long term relationship I've had I thought I was in love ...I didnt even know what true love was until I met my wife ...had I married the first person I had sex with I'd probably be extremely unhappy or divorced by now

 

[Sulkdodds]

i can take peoples quotes out of context to. but at least make a point off our false contexts.

Out of context? Hardly. The context was:

1. You berated your opponents for being immature. Yet you consistently fail to act maturely. You insult people, you insult their wives, you act like a 13-year old troll trying to goad people into anger.

2. You claim that most people in the thread only care about physical pleasure. Yet most people here consistently triumph the value of sex as an act of connection and devotion, in a meaningful relationship with someone you love.



If you want to abstain from having sex until you're married, that's very admirable. But quite often, life doesn't work out. It isn't a fairytale. If you break up with your first wife, does that mean all later marriages have less value? Because you couldn't make that sacrifice to them anymore?

At first you tell us it's a great gift - to say to someone "I will never, ever, **** anyone apart from you. I never have and I never will." I'm sure it is. But then you start berating everyone else for not doing this, as if a loving relationship isn't possible if you've already had sex.

Now I know what you're going to say. You're going to say 'where did I say that?' You didn't, not in such open terms, but if you didn't believe it, what's with all the preaching?

that is my ideal. and if i wanted to have sex with a girl every night. well i could very well do it, and i wouldn't have any moral qualms about it, because tbh im a very attractive guy with a bruce lee like physique and a charming personality.

No moral qualms, eh? You're certainly showing evidence of your charming personality by preaching to us about how we're all immoral and evil for believing there's nothing wrong with premaritial sex.

 

[jondy]

Posey, mate, quit while you're ahead; or rather, quit while you're only waist deep in your own ****

EDIT: Oh, and <3 Stern

 

[poseyjmac]

and you've come to this conclusion how? through years of experience with multiple partners? through multiple long term relationships spanning serval years each? :upstare: ..in every long term relationship I've had I thought I was in love ...I didnt even know what true love was until I met my wife ...had I married the first person I had sex with I'd probably be extremely unhappy or divorced by now

which is why its not a bad idea to not screw every girl you meet. but then, your wife probably is thankful that you humped so many girls, so that you could be better with her.

 

[Sulkdodds]

This is what I'm talking about. If you have "no moral qualms" about premaritial sex then why are you acting as if you're on the moral high ground and why are you being such a collossal arse?

 

[CptStern]

which is why its not a bad idea to not screw every girl you meet. but then, your wife probably is thankful that you humped so many girls, so that you could be better with her.

now you've graduated to a full punch in the face offense



I'm done with you, you're a ****ing idiot not worth my time

 

[Angry Lawyer]

EDIT: Oh, and <3 Stern

Seconded.

Am I the only one who thinks of Stern having an ultra-chiseled chin, just because the guy in the avatar does?

-Angry Lawyer

 

[poseyjmac]

Out of context? Hardly. The context was:

1. You berated your opponents for being immature. Yet you consistently fail to act maturely. You insult people, you insult their wives, you act like a 13-year old troll trying to goad people into anger.

2. You claim that most people in the thread only care about physical pleasure. Yet most people here consistently triumph the value of sex as an act of connection and devotion, in a meaningful relationship with someone you love.

just because people are angry with what i say doesn't make me immature. the main argument people are pushing here is that you will be inexperienced if you wait till marriage for sex. inexperienced how? oh thats right physically. this is their strongest argument. so yes the physical aspect is very much what they cherish.

If you want to abstain from having sex until you're married, that's very admirable. But quite often, life doesn't work out. It isn't a fairytale. If you break up with your first wife, does that mean all later marriages have less value? Because you couldn't make that sacrifice to them anymore?

life isn't fair is it?

At first you tell us it's a great gift - to say to someone "I will never, ever, **** anyone apart from you. I never have and I never will." I'm sure it is. But then you start berating everyone else for not doing this, as if a loving relationship isn't possible if you've already had sex.

those are all assumptions. but quote me if you find me berating people.

Now I know what you're going to say. You're going to say 'where did I say that?' You didn't, not in such open terms, but if you didn't believe it, what's with all the preaching?

confusing huh? hopefully some people here will learn not to make such large assumptions. maybe the reason for me discussing this has nothing to do with abstaining.

No moral qualms, eh? You're certainly showing evidence of your charming personality by preaching to us about how we're all immoral and evil for believing there's nothing wrong with premaritial sex.

quote me. as they say in forums: put up or shut up.

 

[kirovman]

Seconded.

Am I the only one who thinks of Stern having an ultra-chiseled chin, just because the guy in the avatar does?

-Angry Lawyer

Thirded.

Yes, he does have an Ultra-chiseled chin, I've always thought that too.

 

[Raziaar]

WIthout reading all the other bullshit in this thread, I'd have to say yes, its okay to have sex before marriage.

But I would only ever do it if I loved the woman, truely loved her. I mean, whats the point otherwise except to fullfill some lustful desire? I don't exactly respect promiscuity <chuckles>

 

[poseyjmac]

This is what I'm talking about. If you have "no moral qualms" about premaritial sex then why are you acting as if you're on the moral high ground and why are you being such a collossal arse?

you need to detach the act of abstaining from the person defending it(me).

 

[Pesmerga]

Conclusion - Doesn't matter, your morality is your own so do as you wish. There is no universal right and wrong. It's all society driven, and societies change, and since when did anyone have the right to force your own morality against someone else?

 

[CptStern]

Thirded.

Yes, he does have an Ultra-chiseled chin, I've always thought that too.

hehe, my avatar/name choice is more about celebrating idiocy than anything else ..man you guys should watch Heavy Metal.


btw, Sulkdodds: very well put, you took the words out of my mouth

 

[kirovman]

WIthout reading all the other bullshit in this thread, I'd have to say yes, its okay to have sex before marriage.

But I would only ever do it if I loved the woman, truely loved her. I mean, whats the point otherwise except to fullfill some lustful desire? I don't exactly respect promiscuity <chuckles>

I think you're right, I'm not a fan of casual sex, but I do enjoy being in a deep and meaningful relationship. I think marriage is a piece of paper more than a state of mind nowadays, I don't think marriage is necessarily needed to have a life partner. I certainly don't hold it against people if they want to go out and get sexed up everynight, as long as they are aware of the consequences of what they do and take the neccessary precautions without hurting anyone.

And I can't believe someone would reject another person just for having a partner before. That would be the definition of shallow. What do you do if you find out she's been lying and she's not first time on your wedding night?
Divorce her immediately? I've heard that's what they do in some of the most backwards parts of the world.

hehe, my avatar/name choice is more about celebrating idiocy than anything else ..man you guys should watch Heavy Metal.

I'll have to check that out

 

[poseyjmac]

Conclusion - Doesn't matter, your morality is your own so do as you wish. There is no universal right and wrong. It's all society driven, and societies change, and since when did anyone have the right to force your own morality against someone else?

something i can agree with.

the problem is people are so used to what they think of right or wrong(or valuable) so they deny that other lifestyles can be good or satisfying.

 

[Sulkdodds]

the main argument people are pushing here is that you will be inexperienced if you wait till marriage for sex. inexperienced how? oh thats right physically. this is their strongest argument. so yes the physical aspect is very much what they cherish.

Really? Why don't you look back at that big quotey quote post I made, and read it again, for all the people that argue otherwise.

And you want me to quote you berating people? And preaching? Well what the **** is this, then?

which is why its not a bad idea to not screw every girl you meet. but then, your wife probably is thankful that you humped so many girls, so that you could be better with her.

You still haven't explained why you're so offensive to everyone, too. Pardon me for being blunt in my arguments here but you haven't really endeared yourself to me or anyone by throwing childish insults around.


edit:

the problem is people are so used to what they think of right or wrong(or valuable) so they deny that other lifestyles can be good or satisfying.

This sounds familiar.

 

[poseyjmac]

And you want me to quote you berating people? And preaching? Well what the **** is this, then?

"which is why its not a bad idea to not screw every girl you meet. but then, your wife probably is thankful that you humped so many girls, so that you could be better with her."

you call this preaching? me saying that its not a bad idea to do something? and then i admit that his wife is probably very happy with stern. here you need this: dictionary.com

You still haven't explained why you're so offensive to everyone, too. Pardon me for being blunt in my arguments here but you haven't really endeared yourself to me or anyone by throwing childish insults around.

many people are offended by what i say. this doens't mean that im doing anything wrong. the truth hurts. when discussing this topic, people tend to feel inadequate or that they missed out on something. so being offended comes with this discussion.

and quote me on childish insults. ive been called a ****ing idiot by a moderator to name one blatant insult, but i never blatantly insulted anyone. again, quote me if you want to prove something.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

many people are offended by what i say. this doens't mean that im doing anything wrong. the truth hurts. when discussing this topic, people tend to feel inadequate or that they missed out on something. so being offended comes with this discussion.

Now this I like. People are only offended because you're giving them the cold, hard truth? Maybe, just maybe it's because you said something offensive.

 

[CptStern]

you dont call this insulting?

"which is why its not a bad idea to not screw every girl you meet. but then, your wife probably is thankful that you humped so many girls, so that you could be better with her."

yet you dare to twist what you said into this?

and then i admit that his wife is probably very happy with stern. here you need this: dictionary.com

either you have an extremely short memory or you're backpeddling

 

[poseyjmac]

you dont call this insulting?
yet you dare to twist what you said into this?

im just sharing the happiness your wife has. is that so wrong? can't we all just be happy for one another?

 

[CptStern]

im just sharing the happiness your wife has. is that so wrong? can't we all just be happy for one another?

dont be coy with me, you know exactly what your intent was

 

[Absinthe]

im not surprised that you don't understand this concept.

Because the concept makes no sense.

You should really stop talking out of your ass. It's not healthy.

 

[poseyjmac]

dont be coy with me, you know exactly what your intent was

im sorry for being happy. you've taught me that i should always be angry, like you!

absinthe: you're on empty. give it up.

 

[CptStern]

im sorry for being happy. you've taught me that i should always be angry, like you!

absinthe: you're on empty. give it up.

:upstare: ..you dont know when to quit do you? ..just stop it right now, you're just making a bigger fool of yourself

 

[poseyjmac]

:upstare: ..you dont know when to quit do you? ..just stop it right now, you're just making a bigger fool of yourself

stern, you're more mature than this, you married man, you. you don't have to get in the last word with an immature punk such as myself right?

 

[Sulkdodds]

Oh great, this is the point where no-one bothers to argue properly anymore.

im sorry for being happy. you've taught me that i should always be angry, like you!

Now you're just being facetious. Dictionary.com will tell you that simply means 'jocular' but it won't tell you about the connotations.

 

[jondy]

stern, you're more mature than this, you married man, you. you don't have to get in the last word with an immature punk such as myself right?

I don't think he'll have to; enough of the forum population will walk away from this thread more than a little wiser as to who came off on top.

 

[poseyjmac]

I don't think he'll have to; enough of the forum population will walk away from this thread more than a little wiser as to who came off on top.

i think thats something only sterns home video footage can tell us. :rolling:

 

[jondy]

i think thats something only sterns home video footage can tell us. :rolling:

Go the **** away.

 

[Zeus]

i think thats something only sterns home video footage can tell us. :rolling:

..wtf?

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

.....and we enter thread closing territory.