Smokers.

Murray_H said:
Roy Castle (a trumpet player/tv presenter, who has now died) claimed that he developed lung cancer from year of playing in clubs and pubs - each having very smoky atmospheres. He himself never touched a cigarette in his life.
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Okay, yea -_- Obviously if you're in a smoke fillled rooms for a long time its gonna cause problems

I was speaking more like in general public areas like you'd encounter today. Ie. the original posters restaurant situation or outside an office building
(Stuff that would pertain to the person who i quoted. I assumed since he hates smoking so much he'd be intelligent not to spend prolonged periods of time in smoked filled pubs)
 
mmmmmm weed. its really costly tho. i got 3 grams right beside me, and im buying an ounce really soon. $200.00 $30.00 for the 3 grams. noone cares. just have to share my excitement.
 
Well, I've smoked passively myself, and although I coughed a bit at the time I doubt I'll have any issues in later life. But saying that passive smoking never claimed lives- that was one hell of a sweeping statement to make.
 
Ikerous said:
I can almost guarantee you they didn't...
I'm pretty sure the people conducting the study would take that into consideration.. otherwise it would be a complete waste of funds
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Just did some very brief looking, got a couple of quotes from here:

http://mojo.calyx.net/~olsen/NORML/WEEKLY/97-04-03.html

"No differences were noted between even quite heavy marijuana smoking and nonsmoking of marijuana."

"Researchers classified 131 of the participants as heavy marijuana smokers who did not smoke tobacco cigarettes, while 112 smoked both tobacco and marijuana. An additional 65 men regularly smoked tobacco only and the remaining 86 participants were nonsmokers"

Whilst it says that marijuana does not increase your chances of lung failure, it also doesn't say that it does not harm your lungs.
 
Edcrab said:
Well, I've smoked passively myself, and although I coughed a bit at the time I doubt I'll have any issues in later life. But saying that passive smoking never claimed lives- that was one hell of a sweeping statement to make.
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Lol, yea, to say its impossible isn't exactly accurate
I'm just trying to speak logically here though
The odds of having health problems from casual smoking are minuscule
Darkknighttt said:
mmmmmm weed. its really costly tho. i got 3 grams right beside me, and im buying an ounce really soon. $200.00 $30.00 for the 3 grams. noone cares. just have to share my excitement.
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Damn, lucky bastard
30 bucks for 3 grams is pretty good
I pay about 50 for 1/8
Murray_H said:
Whilst it says that marijuana does not increase your chances of lung failure, it also doesn't say that it does not harm your lungs.
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Perfectly valid point. Perhaps i should find a better study to make my point with :-/

Wouldn't it be rather hard to judge long term lung damage in a few months study...?
 
Ikerous why are you trying to defend something which has been proven to kill you or damage your health severely. Normal smoking and passive smoking are detrimental to your health therefore they are bad things. Same as a gunshot to the head. How can you defend something which has claimed so many lives and continues to do so, while the bosses make so much money from it. They even target younger audiences to reap the biggest rewards. Smoking is for losers...
 
Hectic Glenn said:
Ikerous why are you trying to defend something which has been proven to kill you or damage your health severely. Normal smoking and passive smoking are detrimental to your health therefore they are bad things. Same as a gunshot to the head. How can you defend something which has claimed so many lives and continues to do so, while the bosses make so much money from it. They even target younger audiences to reap the biggest rewards. Smoking is for losers...
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Because it's my firm belief that smoking in moderation won't hurt you nearly enough to cause any serious or fatal physical damage. Of course i say any serious damage. I'm sure it can cause some damage, but nothing that is even worthy of a second thought. Of course this is only if its done in moderation.

I also see nothing immoral about making money... but thats just me.
 
all the cool people at my school smoke, i know u guys are going to say there losers, but there just not at my school and at most schools. all the weed dealers are cool to and there so rich. they even go to other schools at lunch to sell.
 
Darkknighttt said:
all the cool people at my school smoke, i know u guys are going to say there losers, but there just not at my school and at most schools. all the weed dealers are cool to and there so rich. they even go to other schools at lunch to sell.
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Being cool is relative. I've never smoked a cigarette ever, and it hasn't had any harm on my social status.

As much as I sound like a parent, smoking (be it drugs or tobacco) is not cool.
 
Murray_H said:
As much as I sound like a parent, smoking (be it drugs or tobacco) is not cool.
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I personally don't think smoking is cool, it's kinda weird that anyone thinks that :-/

I don't do stuff to be cool, i do stuff because i enjoy it.

And i guarantee ya, smoking pot is neat ^_^
 
But pot actually does something to you. Smoking just does nothing. All I hear is that it calms nerves slightly. Pointless.
 
StardogChampion said:
But pot actually does something to you. Smoking just does nothing. All I hear is that it calms nerves slightly. Pointless.
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Yea, it really doesn't seem like itd be worth the money or potential risk of abuse does it? :-/
To each his own.
 
Im a smoker.

I started smoking when I was 11
friends where.
It was like the big goal to do things your not supposed to right? I mean I was a big man with my pack of cigarettes. LOL

Well now, 19 years later, I could die any year now

Smoking should be outlawed completely Banned anywhere. Its pure "legal" crack dealing

Not only does it hook u like a bitch and kill you, it costs alot of money. Its crack.

You want my advice? Stay the **** away from it. Don't even try it, thats all part of thier plans to own u.
 
StardogChampion said:
But pot actually does something to you. Smoking just does nothing. All I hear is that it calms nerves slightly. Pointless.
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It has been proven to produce a calm in smokers. -the calm is from satisfying the cravings

If you are not a regular smoker, it won't calm you.
 
I think an occasional cigar is okay, cigarettes are disgusting.

Virus -- how old are you? 32?

BTW, I don't smoke either, though.
 
VirusType2 said:
Im a smoker.

I started smoking when I was 11
friends where.
It was like the big goal to do things your not supposed to right? I mean I was a big man with my pack of cigarettes. LOL

Well now, 19 years later, I could die any year now

Smoking should be outlawed completely Banned anywhere. Its pure "legal" crack dealing

Not only does it hook u like a bitch and kill you, it costs alot of money. Its crack.
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It is illegal for ppl that are eleven years old...
And hopefully most people over the age of 18 are good enough at making educated decision on wether or not they should start.

Then again i think crack should be legal, so what do i know? XD
 
Not only does it hook u like a bitch and kill you, it costs alot of money. Its crack.
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QFE.

It's supossed to be harder to quit smoking than coming of heroin. addictive, expensive, filthy habit......time to quit.
 
Anyone have any advice on how to get a parent to quit? My dad started 4 years ago when my parents divorced. I've tried everything. I throw all of his packs out whenever I find them (he tends to hide them in his car).
 
Vigilante said:
Anyone have any advice on how to get a parent to quit? My dad started 4 years ago when my parents divorced. I've tried everything. I throw all of his packs out whenever I find them (he tends to hide them in his car).
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There isn't much you can do. He will quit if he wants to quit. A smoker doesn't care what others think about their habit. When I was a kid I would beg my parents to quit smoking, it made no difference. Eventually both of them quit, but not because of what I or anyone else had said.
 
Parents hardly ever listen, sadly the only cases i know of is when a loved one dies from a smoking related disease, it seems to scare them into quitting which is sad, that someone has to die for them to realise. Hope that doesn't happen in your case though.
 
I agree with Ikerous about the pot, all the way. We get an 1/8 of really good pot for about $35 here, by the way.

However, smoking cigarettes is stupid. Let this be a CIGARETTE thread, because those of us who smoke pot already won in the drug threads a few months ago.
 
I beleive a person should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies, unless a person very close to them wants to take action against it. Other than that, anything done only to yourself should be your decision alone.

However, when you affect other people, such as when you smoke in a public park, it should not be allowed. Private institutions should hold the right to decide for themselves. But I beleive public places such as parks should ban smoking.

I also don't think smoking is so barbaric, but if anyone close to me did it, I would do everything in my power to make them stop.
 
has anyone here done crack i have som here but im scared to try it. i may get rid of it. what does it do to you?!
 
Huh??? I can get 3 grams for 20$ CAN. In Quebec, it's really not that expensive. :D

Back on topic: cigarettes are bad.
 
Thats cuz canada is like pot country....
America isn't nearly as awesome as canada

Canada > America
 
Murray_H said:
Google is your friend, crack, however, isn't.
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Lol, nice XD

If you want info from ppl that have actually done it, i suggest tokeup.com
 
Darkknighttt said:
has anyone here done crack i have som here but im scared to try it. i may get rid of it. what does it do to you?!
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Don't do this. Don't touch this. You get dependent right away.
 
Hectic Glenn said:
Smoking should be banned everywhere, i cant stand it.

You may want to kill yourself, but we don't want to, so we DONT SMOKE, but if you make us have to breathe it in you havent taken that option away from us and killing us. Passive smoking is just as bad, so that guy has a point. Smoke outside, or in places which allows smoking, which are getting less and less each day thankfully.

I don't understand you smokers, theres no benefits at all...
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Actually it isn't. The concentration of the toxins are much, much, much less when they exhale the smoke. So their is a very, very small chance that it even increases the persons chance of getting lung cancer.
 
I also have to take offense at people who think they can throw all rules of courtesy and decency out the window because they've inhaled some smoke over the course of a night accidently. Once isn't going to kill, or even harm, you. Neither will twice, or several dozen times. When you have to worry is when you're chronicly surrounded by it.
 
ericms said:
Actually it isn't. The concentration of the toxins are much, much, much less when they exhale the smoke. So their is a very, very small chance that it even increases the persons chance of getting lung cancer.
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This is bollocks - the smoke that comes off the cigarette doesn't even pass through the filter yet fills the room and everyone breathes it in. It's a fact that passive smoking this smoke alone (not including that exhaled by the smoker) significantly increases chances of lung cancer.
 
lePobz said:
This is bollocks - the smoke that comes off the cigarette doesn't even pass through the filter yet fills the room and everyone breathes it in. It's a fact that passive smoking this smoke alone (not including that exhaled by the smoker) significantly increases chances of lung cancer.
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Find one study that found the same thing...

Occasional passive second hand smoke does not significantly increase your chances of lung cancer.
 
Ikerous said:
Find one study that found the same thing...

Occasional passive second hand smoke does not significantly increase your chances of lung cancer.
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http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=passive+smoking+cigarette+filter&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

Well, that took bloody long.

http://www.aboutkidshealth.ca/ofhc/Article.asp?articleID=2206

Here, have a snippet: -

Sidestream smoke contains 2 or 3 times more harmful chemicals than secondhand smoke because it does not pass through the cigarette filter. At its worst, a child in a very smoky room for one hour with several smokers inhales as many bad chemicals as he would by actually smoking 10 or more cigarettes.
 
lePobz said:
This is bollocks - the smoke that comes off the cigarette doesn't even pass through the filter yet fills the room and everyone breathes it in. It's a fact that passive smoking this smoke alone (not including that exhaled by the smoker) significantly increases chances of lung cancer.
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Concentration is everything bub. Something like vitamins which can be beneficial to you can actually do quite the opposite if taken in excess. Just like we have just the right amount of carbon dioxide, nitrogen and argon for it to keep us going but not enough to harm us.

Smoke inhaled by a cigarette itself is harmful no doubt. That's because the concentration of the toxins are alot greater then when he/she exhales it.
 
I find quite a few very fundamental differences between tobacco (tar/nicotine/etc) and vitamins. Vitamins are beneficial in moderate amounts, yes. Tobacco is not beneficial in any amount. So why smoke it, and give detrimental effects to yourself and everyone around you?

Surely anyone with an IQ over 50 would sort of realise that there's nothing to be gained from smoking that crap. Let me guess, you're a smoker right, "bub"?
 
lePobz smoking it yourself is bad. You don't seem to be understanding my point which I've made in both my previous posts.
 
lePobz said:
I find quite a few very fundamental differences between tobacco (tar/nicotine/etc) and vitamins. Vitamins are beneficial in moderate amounts, yes. Tobacco is not beneficial in any amount. So why smoke it, and give detrimental effects to yourself and everyone around you?

Surely anyone with an IQ over 50 would sort of realise that there's nothing to be gained from smoking that crap. Let me guess, you're a smoker right, "bub"?
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Perhaps because smoking is one of the leading causes of deaths and smoking has a tendency to relieve stress? Ionno, i don't smoke tobacco.

Pot all the way :smoking:
 
Yes, and smoking it around others is just as bad ... unless you've not actually researched sidestream smoke at all. The links right there, bub.
 
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