So, who is going to see Fahrenheit 911?

[CptStern]

Life is becomming more like hollywood every year..

Critics are spewing propaganda all over the place...

The source:
http://movies.yahoo.com/mvc/drv?mid=1808569540&s=rc_d&ys=ws1.yZDrUSoufbz.2kPWVw--

omg! you cant be serious....maybe you didnt see the "user" in front of "reviews"

 

[Joeyslucky22]

Oh! so the "people's" opinion doesn't count??

ONLY the critics are right! ABSOLUTLY!

 

[CptStern]

Oh! so the "people's" opinion doesn't count??

ONLY the critics are right! ABSOLUTLY!

the movie opened today....how many of those "user reviews" are from people who actually saw the movie?

here's an excerpt:

"First of all, this film is NOT a documentary, whatever it boasts. It is a piece-meal of random footage and facts and criticizes our commander-in-chief. Moore, who is an avid liberal democrat supporter, has outlined and summarized the Democrats main political agenda in this film: Anger. Anger is not an intellectual answer to the problems before us as a nation. Nor should this movie be celebrated as such. Don't waste your time here!"

gut feeling or did he actually watch it?

 

[Joeyslucky22]

"I was first in line to see Fahrenheit 9/11 because I am one of the few fans of Michael Moore's movie American Bacon. The theatre was totally packed which I though was a good sign, but it wasn't, as evidenced by the large number of people who left mid movie. This is my description of the movie, extremely boring, hateful and unAmerican. I can see bin Laden enjoying it even if he can't understand English, as you could turn off the sound and it was almost a fasiist cartoon attacking American values. It is very sad to see this type of garbage playing in America. Michael Moore is the modern day Toykio Rose, but unlike WW-ll were paying this traitor for his garbage."

did he watch it? hmm

 

[Lil' Timmy]

stern, stop feeding the troll.

 

[CptStern]

did he watch it? hmm

looks like he forgot to check his bias before he walked into the door.

here is another "user" review:

"Micheal Moor is just pissed that Bush won thats why he came out with the movie.He blames one man for the the war not looking at facts or anything.Moors last documentrys were looking for info and Bowling for Columbine was actually cool.Moor is tryin to brainwash people with untrue facts.You know I wonder why he came out with the movie now.... oh yeah its the eletion. Moor is tryin to get people to vote for Kerry.I dont like him myself but what are ya gonn do.Well if you thought about goin to the movie trust me DON'T.Well thats my review hoped you enoyed....Bush rocks!!"

ya that sounds like an informed opinion


Lil Timmy: I cant help it....I cant sit by and watch someone bad mouth someone based on an uninformed opinion. As the "user reviews" show, there are a lot of people that discount MM based on 2nd hand accounts with little or no basis in fact. He got me the second he said:

"Why dont we just send him to Iraq and have them decapitate him? and we'll make that a movie? ****in dumbshit"

oh and Pathetic: you're a goosestepper who couldnt formulate his own opinion if your life depended on it. It didnt aseem to phase you that the person you are defending called for MM to be decaptiated...yet I'm the one who shouldnt be "flaming"?

 

[pat_thetic]

looks like he forgot to check his bias before he walked into the door.

here is another "user" review:

"Micheal Moor is just pissed that Bush won thats why he came out with the movie.He blames one man for the the war not looking at facts or anything.Moors last documentrys were looking for info and Bowling for Columbine was actually cool.Moor is tryin to brainwash people with untrue facts.You know I wonder why he came out with the movie now.... oh yeah its the eletion. Moor is tryin to get people to vote for Kerry.I dont like him myself but what are ya gonn do.Well if you thought about goin to the movie trust me DON'T.Well thats my review hoped you enoyed....Bush rocks!!"

ya that sounds like an informed opinion

I think we need a independent in this thread....

Cptstern, just the same as joey is spewing shit, so are you. So don't act all high and mighty. And please do not resort to flaming, it always ruins a thread.

 

[Joeyslucky22]

and there are others who have seen it and hate it.

lol this is kind of funny. Moore wants "young" teenagers to watch his R rated film:
"However it turns out, I trust all of you young teenagers out there will find your way into a theater to see this movie."

desperation to get bush out of office is what it is. Sick.

 

[Joeyslucky22]

I think we need a independent in this thread....

Cptstern, just the same as joey is spewing shit, so are you. So don't act all high and mighty. And please do not resort to flaming, it always ruins a thread.

Thank you for stepping in...

 

[pat_thetic]

Eh, I said you were spewing shit.

 

[Joeyslucky22]

well you were the first to actually say something that was not only against me, "the independent"

 

[Rico]

This thread sickens me, not only do you people show that you are being hypocritical for bashing someone with opposing views (when you declare that people should see Moore's film even if it goes against your opinion) but you also do so in an insulting manner. Refute the opinion, the facts, do not refute the person's personality or image.

Me? I'm in the middle of this all. I refuse to give Michael Moore money because I see through the whole "political factor" and just realize and know that this "poor person who wants us to realize the truth" is in reality a millionaire. He owns a million dollar house, he makes films that appeal to people's emotions and tries to pass them off as facts, while I do agree that there may be a mix of facts in the movies, you cannot deny that the majority of the films he makes depend on the appeal to emotions to "make" his argument. This is not the basis of a good argument, if the point of his films if to show people the 'truth' then emotional appeals should not be ANYWHERE in the films, it should be basically a sum of events. Does he have a political agenda? You bet. Does he get paid for advancing it. Wowie wow wow wo he does.

So, while I'm not American, I live in America and a lot of the 9/11 crap has affected my life for the worst. Immigration laws have been tightened (I am on a visa on the US) making it nearly impossible to acquire citizenship here, Patriot act threatens my freedom and so on and so forth. However I haven't failed to see the other side of things and while Bush may not be my favorite president I truly believe he is a much better choice than having Kerry be the next commander in chief. I've seen presidents like this take power in my country... Hugo Chavez ruined Venezuela and guess what, his speeches and BS remind me a lot of what Kerry spews out. Something to think about for all of you.

So basically I won't be seeing this movie in theaters unless I'm invited to it by friends, It's not a choice I intend to make and I'll probably get it if it comes out on DVD as a free rental from some friends who work at a blockbuster. If anything, I might just watch it for laughs because any film that steals a famous name (fahrenheit 451 was a great book) and uses it to sell tickets is worth watching to see how badly it screws up. Does this person dare comment on someone's morality when he is in fact no better than the other party? Ray Bradbury deserves my respect for writing true political commentary in an entertaining manner (go read Fahrenheit 451). Michael Moore does not deserve my money, he already has enough and his movies aren't worth it (I saw bowling for columbine, he did a good job of appealing to the emotions don't you think?).

This post is too long so I'll wrap it up. This is my opinion and I advise people not to take it all as an absolute truth of some sort. In the same manner, I advise you that if you do go see this film you at least see past his political schemes and look at the facts he presents, and ask yourself whether they are truth or fiction. Truth can easily turn into fiction if it is stretched long enough.

Do not let him appeal to your emotions, and if you do, at least do it for the entertainment purposes and not educational. Just keep an open mind to both views on the subject and analyze the facts and make your own mind up about who's wrong or right.

 

[CptStern]

see the thing is that I doubt there will be anything new in the movie that I didnt already know. It's all out there

 

[Rico]

I agree but if people want to go watch it go ahead, just don't come back saying Bush is the devil or something. Don't get brainwashed by the movie, look at it as a movie not a documentary.

 

[DarkStar]

Just got back from Farenheit...

Good movie, I liked it better than Bowling for Columbine. A lot less of Moore's totally unfair ambush tactics which is good. The pacing is a little uneven in places, going from really gripping emotional sections to "here are the facts" sections a little too quickly. I didn't expect it to be so graphic in its depictions of war injuries, there's some really disturbing stuff in there. There are sections that Moore has obviously edited things just to make his point, which he obviously has to do, but can be a little jarring. Some of the points are stronger than others, I mean is it really that surprising that the Bush's have connections to the Bin Laden family? They are only two of the most powerful families in the world, I'd be surprised if there WASN'T some sort of link there.

Overall a good flick. Here's to Kerry winning the election this November.

 

[psyno]

and there are others who have seen it and hate it.

lol this is kind of funny. Moore wants "young" teenagers to watch his R rated film:
"However it turns out, I trust all of you young teenagers out there will find your way into a theater to see this movie."

desperation to get bush out of office is what it is. Sick.

??? What are you on about?? You might note that anyone restricted by a theater from watching an 'R' rated movie is not old enough to vote in the United States anyway.

 

[DreamThrall]

Just got back from Farenheit...

Good movie, I liked it better than Bowling for Columbine. A lot less of Moore's totally unfair ambush tactics which is good. The pacing is a little uneven in places, going from really gripping emotional sections to "here are the facts" sections a little too quickly. I didn't expect it to be so graphic in its depictions of war injuries, there's some really disturbing stuff in there. There are sections that Moore has obviously edited things just to make his point, which he obviously has to do, but can be a little jarring. Some of the points are stronger than others, I mean is it really that surprising that the Bush's have connections to the Bin Laden family? They are only two of the most powerful families in the world, I'd be surprised if there WASN'T some sort of link there.

Overall a good flick. Here's to Kerry winning the election this November.

I saw it this afternoon also... well spoken!

 

[FoxDie]

I hope I can see it tonight with some of my friends...unless my girlfriend wants to go see another movie or something

 

[blahblahblah]

I'm to lazy to read all of these posts. But let me get this straight.

Democrat = Love movie
Republican = Hate movie

But, you can't take the movie at face value because it has some valid facts but has just as many opinions. The movie is also passed along as a documentry even though it isn't.

This movie is more about political beliefs than actual facts.

So how does this benefit America besides giving Michael Moore more money?

 

[Joeyslucky22]

well I didn't pay for the movie, I went with a group of friends, and he was buying. The choice was Fahrenheit 9/11.. I was going to go see a different movie but decided to stay with my friends.

After seeing this movie (and watching 20 people walk out on it ), I stick to my opinion

"Expecting truth in this movie is like expecting a healthy meal at a drive-thru"
ABC said something like this while investigating the "facts" layed out on this movie.

What bugs me too is how Moore showed Iraqis under sadams control, and showed a little girl flying a kite, yet didnt show the amounts of people sadam had murdered and tourtured during his rule... Thats a real fact

If you are Brain-washed (like rico said) by this bowl of warm piss, I am afraid as to which other movies have brainwashed you too.

I hope I can see it tonight with some of my friends...unless my girlfriend wants to go see another movie or something

Actually I'd go see dodgeball

I saw it yesturday.. absolutly HALARIOUS!

Moore's movie will only be decent if you and your girl-friend hate bush as much as you hate McDonald's for making people fat.. or something like that..

Oh and by the way DarkStar,

That "link" between the laden a bush family is already prooven false. I can't send you any links just read around, you'll see it someplace im sure.

 

[Joeyslucky22]

-----Go back a page, sorry, double post-----

 

[FoxDie]

Actually I'd go see dodgeball

I saw it yesturday.. absolutly HALARIOUS!

Moore's movie will only be decent if you and your girl-friend hate bush as much as you hate McDonald's for making people fat.. or something like that.. :|

Really? Maybe it won't be so bad then

I really need to stop editing, I keep confusing people (my post used to say, "Unless my girlfriend wants to see Dodgeball or something" but then I changed it. Same kind of thing happened in the Acronym thread, that's a big no-no )

 

[Joeyslucky22]

Really? Maybe it won't be so bad then

I really need to stop editing, I keep confusing people (my post used to say, "Unless my girlfriend wants to see Dodgeball or something" but then I changed it. Same kind of thing happened in the Acronym thread, that's a big no-no )

yeah, but i dunno.. if you want something to laugh about (and possibly.. get lucky ) go see dodgeball, you wont be missing much

 

[DarkStar]

Oh and by the way DarkStar,

That "link" between the laden a bush family is already prooven false. I can't send you any links just read around, you'll see it someplace im sure.

So you're saying that Moore is just straight up lying in the movie? Well...okay, it would be pretty easy to find out if he was, so I don't see why he would. If that's true I would be pretty surprised.

The thing is that the links between the Bin Laden and the Bush Families just don't really mean much to me. Is it such a surprise that one of the wealthiest oil families in America have links to the largest construction company in the Middle East? Of course there are links. There would almost HAVE to be links. But they're business associations, nothing more. Not only that, the Bin Laden Group doesn't even associate with Osama anymore, he's been cut off from the family.

Michael Moore's at his best when he's examining the United States' buddy-buddy relationship with Saudi Arabia. A state-sponsor of terrorism and the world's largest supplier of oil. Which attribute does the US government think is more important? That's where the real f*cked up shit is.

 

[Sai]

alright, i just got back and i find this. dude, this really is the last post i'm going to do on this thread. when you have this many people against your opinion and you being the only person for it, and may be two other people that are neutral, well, you kinda have to think that something's up. do you honestly believe that you are right against what everyone has said. i mean you freaking quoted a yahoo user review of a guy who didn't even see the movie. why do you just blatantly assume that everyone here that isn't for your opinion is a liberal? if your this judgemental than how can you possibly at all expect to anyone to take anything you say as something intelligent? to be blunt, troll shut the **** up.

TO MR.SLUCKY

 

[DarkStar]

alright, i just got back and i find this, dude, this really is the last post i'm going to do on this thread; when you have this many people against your opinion and you being the only person for it, and may be two other people that are neutral, well, you kinda have to think that something's up, do you honestly believe that you are right against what everyone has said, and i mean you freaking quoted a yahoo user review of a guy who didn't even see the movie, and why do you just blatantly assume that everyone here that isn't for your opinion is a liberal, if your this judgemental than how can you possibly at all expect to anyone to take anything you say as something intelligent, to be blunt, troll shut the **** up

Dude...for the love of God please use sentences. That was completely incoherent.

EDIT: Also, who the hell are you talking to?

 

[blahblahblah]

A state-sponsor of terrorism (Saudi Arabia) and the world's largest supplier of oil.

Actually, Saudi Arabia is one of the few Middle Eastern countries who actual have cordial relations with the United States. I would love to see evidence of Saudi Arabia supporting terrorism. Perhaps you can back up your claims.

 

[Joeyslucky22]

alright, i just got back and i find this. dude, this really is the last post i'm going to do on this thread. when you have this many people against your opinion and you being the only person for it, and may be two other people that are neutral, well, you kinda have to think that something's up. do you honestly believe that you are right against what everyone has said. i mean you freaking quoted a yahoo user review of a guy who didn't even see the movie. why do you just blatantly assume that everyone here that isn't for your opinion is a liberal? if your this judgemental than how can you possibly at all expect to anyone to take anything you say as something intelligent? to be blunt, troll shut the **** up.

TO MR.SLUCKY

Yeah hes talking to me darkstar.. we've been at it for a while

Well if you're not going to post again great! thank you and listen, I DID quote others because they made good points about politics and some DID see the movie! I SAW the movie and i agree with everyones negative feedback and there are a few good points made in the movie but none enough to brainwash me.

I just quoted ABC saying how this is full of lies and little fact, just an opinion filled 'movie' not a documentation.

So MR. SAIL, glad to see you've stopped

troll? where the **** did that come from !

 

[DarkStar]

Actually, Saudi Arabia is one of the few Middle Eastern countries who actual have cordial relations with the United States. I would love to see evidence of Saudi Arabia supporting terrorism. Perhaps you can back up your claims.

Saudi Arabia is a dictatorial state with an awful record on human rights. As for evidence, what about the 28 page section of the official congressional inquiry into 911 that was blacked out by the Bush administration? The section reportedly dealt with Saudi involvment with the 911 hijackers. Saudi Arabia has far deeper involvment with terrorism than Iraq ever did.

Here's a link to the story of the blacked out report. In the interest of being unbiased I give you a link to FOXNEWS, not generally known for it's liberal agenda. Trust me, there are far more damning links I could have provided.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93139,00.html

 

[Javert]

I am going to see Fahrenheit 9/11 tonight. I'll be back with a review, maybe in another thread seeing how bloated this one is.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

I am going to see Fahrenheit 9/11 tonight. I'll be back with a review, maybe in another thread seeing how bloated this one is.

good idea, actual impressions of the movie deserve their own thread :bounce:

 

[el Chi]

Rico, just as an aside - Farenheit 451 was good, but shared many similarities to 1984, which is much much better.

Also: Is Moore's new movie out int' UK yet?

 

[psyno]

Actually, Saudi Arabia is one of the few Middle Eastern countries who actual have cordial relations with the United States. I would love to see evidence of Saudi Arabia supporting terrorism. Perhaps you can back up your claims.

To be honest, I am not so proud to be a citizen of a state with "cordial relations" with the Saudi Arabian government. Why?
http://www.amnestyusa.org/countries/saudi_arabia/index.do

 

[The Mullinator]

Almost every government has relationships to very questionable countries, groups, or organizations. The US really only has more because of its need for oil and for historical reasons relating to the Cold War.

 

[CptStern]

ya saudi arabia has ties to a lot of questionable countries...like the US

 

[Bling]

just got back

awesome awesome movie

More people laughed then most comedy movies (bush statements, and comb over shots) and ive never seen more people cry.

It was a great movie, very touching.

I recommend everyone see it, ill prob see it again ths weekend.

 

[DarkStar]

ive never seen more people cry.

It was a great movie, very touching.

Yeah, that letter that woman read from her dead son was f*cking intense.

 

[Rico]

Rico, just as an aside - Farenheit 451 was good, but shared many similarities to 1984, which is much much better

Yes I have read both books and I also thought 1984 was a great book by George Orwell. Animal Farm by the same author is also a very good short book to read with the same basic principles.

I believe both authors have written some impressive work and deserve every bit of praise they may get.However, I'm afraid I cannot say the same for Michael Moore but I guess everyone has their own views on the subject.

On the topic of these kind of books, for anyone who may not have caught the hidden messages they basically speak out against the ideas of communism. In some areas it may be clearer than others, but any avid reader will certainly catch them. Excellent books, EVERYONE would do well to read them.

 

[DarkStar]

On the topic of these kind of books, for anyone who may not have caught the hidden messages they basically speak out against the ideas of communism.

I wouldn't call the message of Animal Farm "hidden," it's pretty blatant if you ask me. 1984 is a little bit different...doesn't really criticize communism per se, at least not to the extent of Animal Farm.

 

[Pogrom]

In the interests of being 'fair and balanced' here is the very positive review from FOX News:

fox review