Texas bans homosexual foster parents

[KoreBolteR]

excatly, its the parents that are acting like children here, some really need to grop up so the kids can have fun without all the 'hate'.

 

[baxter]

I’m not too sure what the adoption procedure is in Texas but in the UK I believe it is quite rigorous. A case worker liaises with the prospective couple closely and I believe a very strict criteria have to be met before any couple is considered acceptable for adopting a child.

By, my limited knowledge of this process I would assume that any sexually inappropriate tendencies would be noted, whether it be homosexual or heterosexual.

I doubt any case worker worth his salt would allow a child to be adopted by a couple of S/M freaks dressed in leathers with a gimp in their basement, whether that couple be heterosexual or homosexual.

I have always defended homosexuality and will continue to do so. One of my best friends is homosexual. I have no problem with him near or looking after my children.

Extreme sexual deviants would not, I hope ever be allowed to adopt a child in the UK or I hope for anywhere else in that matter. Homosexuality is not extreme.

This seems a silly pointless, knee jerk law.

 

[el Chi]

you know they wouldn't get into any shit if there weren't people like bodacious there to push the subject and spread hate and intolerance... But its apperently the christian way nowadays isn't it.

(notice, this is more for bodacious than you seinfeld.)

Sadly, seinfeldrules is probably right. Kids are bastards, and closed-minded at that.
I think that's the only practical defense of this move, even if it probably is motivated more by thinly-veiled homophobia.

When I was in primary school, a friend of mine's mum was gay and she had two mums. I can't remember - if I knew at all - whether she realised she was gay after having her two daughters or whether they were from a sperm donor (they definitely weren't adopted, not that that really makes a difference). The point is, I personally never gave it a second thought and as far as I recall, neither she nor her sister got bullied or ostracised for it. However, I don't think that would be the case 100% of the time.

On the other hand, I'm sure there are a lot of stable gay couples who could give a supportive, loving home to a child.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

it wont be passed, Texas already gets enough bad press for its death penalty records and such.

 

[kupocake]

..some people are obnoxious regardless of sexual preference ..judge the individual not the entire group.

I personally don't, but the human tendancy is to do so. The average person is a simpleton, and stereotypes allow these people to cope with a world more complicated than their poxy little world views - but why does anyone go and reinforce the stereotype? They almost deserve the crap that they're going to get if they're going to be so overtly horrible and obnoxious...

 

[GiaOmerta]

Hmmmm.
Should ban Christianity or any faith for that matter.
If these fanatics fail to compile they shall be rounded up and executed.
Good counter attack huh?

 

[CptStern]

I personally don't, but the human tendancy is to do so. The average person is a simpleton, and stereotypes allow these people to cope with a world more complicated than their poxy little world views

I wholeheartedly agree

- but why does anyone go and reinforce the stereotype? They almost deserve the crap that they're going to get if they're going to be so overtly horrible and obnoxious...

yes but why do some italian men insist on wearing gold chains on top of wife-beater t-shirts and drive Irocs? surely they must know they are offesive to some people? My point being: why should people change what they are to suit other people's bigoted viewpoint?

 

[Bodacious]

It is not like Texas Legislature sat down and said, "Hey, lets stop kids from going to gay foster parents." No, this bill aslo includes a much needed Child Protective Services reform and a lot of other stuff, not just this.

There are over 30 ammendments to the bill and I doubt anyone here could find the portion that said HBTL couples can't be foster parents.

 

[el Chi]

but why does anyone go and reinforce the stereotype?

All stereotypes come from somewhere, so there'll always be people of whatever group who conform, at least in part, to the respective stereotypes. The point is, one can't apply it to everyone.

 

[Absinthe]

Hmmmm.
Should ban Christianity or any faith for that matter.
If these fanatics fail to compile they shall be rounded up and executed.
Good counter attack huh?

Maybe it would be if it wasn't completely off the mark.

 

[kupocake]

The Texas House of Representatives passed a bill banning homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals from being foster parents.

If the bill gains approval from the Texas Senate, the state will be allowed to investigate the backgrounds of current foster parents and remove children living in non-heterosexual households.

All future foster parents will be required to disclose their sexual preference on an application form, a legislative aide said.

I've only just noticed this: aren't gender identity issues and sexuality two completely different things? Can't families with a transgender parent outwardly appear like a so-called "normal" family, precluding the whole idea that kids without "normal" parents will get bullied because of the gap?

 

[GiaOmerta]

Why is it off the mark Absinthe? I thought Christians were the 'problem'

 

[jondy]

Why is it off the mark Absinthe? I thought Christians were the 'problem'

Your post was a pointed statement... he was addressing it with an appropriate level of disdain

 

[Absinthe]

Why is it off the mark Absinthe? I thought Christians were the 'problem'

Because nobody's advocating the rounding up and execution of Christians. This is about the opportunities of homosexuals being curbed. You attempted to flip that onto Christians, but your argument is far from valid. No Christian opportunities are suffering.

 

[seinfeldrules]

you know they wouldn't get into any shit if there weren't people like bodacious there to push the subject and spread hate and intolerance... But its apperently the christian way nowadays isn't it.

(notice, this is more for bodacious than you seinfeld.)

Have you ever attended Jr. High? It has nothing to do with political leanings.

 

[Absinthe]

Have you ever attended Jr. High? It has nothing to do with political leanings.

Well, I'd say they play a part, but they're not the sole cause. I'd say it has to do with upbringing on the whole. I've known homosexuals in my school since the 6th grade, but they've never been subjected to any kind of mockery, degradation, or exclusion.

Of course, I attend school in Europe, so I can't claim anything about American schools with certainty.

 

[Ennui]

People do make fun of gays, though not nearly as much at my school (as we're very liberal in general).

 

[kmack]

People do make fun of gays, though not nearly as much at my school (as we're very liberal in general).

people used to make fun of black people, but slowly we learned tolerance (very slowly in the south) it's just going to take time for ignorant people (and christians) to realize that they have no right to tell other people how to live their lives. Massachusetts and the north has the right idea, and in about 70 years so will the south (just like slavery).

 

[Locust]

I couldn't imagine having gay parents. If I did, I would probably kill them if I ever saw them kiss or something.

 

[kupocake]

I couldn't imagine having gay parents. If I did, I would probably kill them if I ever saw them kiss or something.

If you had Gay parents, your upbringing would have completely different, and your irrational tendancy to murder the people responsible for your upbringing wouldn't be such an issue ^^

 

[T.H.C.138]

Locust has only seen the "bad" gays...the overly flamboyant "hollywood" gay..the kind that chases any man and grabs any man ass,etc.regardless of the other mans orientation..

Northern California(where I live) is oh soo tolerant,and there is still lots of gaybashing...although its nowhere near what it used to be though..

honestly though you get picked on more for being a white,heterosexual male around here nowadays..especially if you skateboard

my previous posts point was the misconception people (like Locust) have about gays in general,and those gays who reinforce the stereotype..

like a black man wondering why people don't trust him,when he looks and acts like some hardcore gangster..

people see more "thugs" than "non-thugs" and because of this they usually have a tainted view on that "type" of person,which leads to racial profiling,which leads to more garbage..

same thing with any "minority" or "special interest" groups..show everyone that you aren't ghetto trash/flaming queer/nazi/whatever stereotype instead of reveling in the fact..

especially in a "country" setting like Texas

 

[trizzm]

I am incredibly annoyed by people who continuously oppose means put in place by the state to oppose the mass spreading of homosexual culture. I mean how god-damned natural is that. people, especially my fellow heterosexuals, would do well to realise homo people don't make children and therefore don't contribute to the reproduction cycle and letting these people raise children puts a huge influence on the kids, making them think it's "okay" to be homo and that they can be that if they want to. please no "you're born gay", it's strictly influence. find homo children age 3-6 if you want to prove me wrong. by the way this age is one of the peaks of sexual drive especially for girls.

anyway this IS a case of generalisation here, not individualism.

 

[Absinthe]

I am incredibly annoyed by people who continuously oppose means put in place by the state to oppose the mass spreading of homosexual culture. I mean how god-damned natural is that. people, especially my fellow heterosexuals, would do well to realise homo people don't make children and therefore don't contribute to the reproduction cycle and letting these people raise children puts a huge influence on the kids, making them think it's "okay" to be homo and that they can be that if they want to. please no "you're born gay", it's strictly influence. find homo children age 3-6 if you want to prove me wrong. by the way this age is one of the peaks of sexual drive especially for girls.

anyway this IS a case of generalisation here, not individualism.

Care to repeat that without coming off as a bigoted asshole?

 

[baxter]

find homo children age 3-6 if you want to prove me wrong. by the way this age is one of the peaks of sexual drive especially for girls.

Sorry, not wanting to be pernickety but what are you talking about?
My daughter is six and you are suggesting......

 

[short recoil]

I am incredibly annoyed by people who continuously oppose means put in place by the state to oppose the mass spreading of homosexual culture. I mean how god-damned natural is that. people, especially my fellow heterosexuals, would do well to realise homo people don't make children and therefore don't contribute to the reproduction cycle and letting these people raise children puts a huge influence on the kids, making them think it's "okay" to be homo and that they can be that if they want to. please no "you're born gay", it's strictly influence. find homo children age 3-6 if you want to prove me wrong. by the way this age is one of the peaks of sexual drive especially for girls.

anyway this IS a case of generalisation here, not individualism.

As long as it dosn't affect me i don't give 2 ****s.
I see no argument in saying "they won't produce children", there are already enough humans on this planet as it is.
I'm not having kids, ever......and i'm not gay.

The problem with gays fostering a child that i can see is the childs mental wellfare in the future, i mean what the hell is it like growing up with 2 men?
And there is always the fact they will be bullied "YOUR PARENTS ARE FAGS!!!!!!" sort of stuff.
(when i was at school a kids dad had a sex change, he had it ripped out of him)
Anyway, i don't even care much for the childs mental welfare so, whatever.

 

[PickledGecko]

find homo children age 3-6 if you want to prove me wrong. by the way this age is one of the peaks of sexual drive especially for girls.

Women reach their sexual peak in their 30's, men in early 20's. I believe you're referring to the fact that children's sexual development starts earlier than most people realise, but you've gotten your wires crossed along the way. Yes, children do develop a "sexual" interest earlier in their childhood than people realise. This is expressed through exploring their genitals with their hands. The reason for this is because the genitals have a large number of nerve endings, they are there for a purpose and they are there from an early age. It does not however mean that they have a fully developed sex drive. This comes into action in the teens, and yes, there is such a thing as homosexuality in teenagers.

 

[baxter]

Women reach their sexual peak in their 30's, men in early 20's. I believe you're referring to the fact that children's sexual development starts earlier than most people realise, but you've gotten your wires crossed along the way. Yes, children do develop a "sexual" interest earlier in their childhood than people realise. This is expressed through exploring their genitals with their hands. The reason for this is because the genitals have a large number of nerve endings, they are there for a purpose and they are there from an early age. It does not however mean that they have a fully developed sex drive. This comes into action in the teens, and yes, there is such a thing as homosexuality in teenagers.

That's a much better way of putting it thank you PickledGecko.
On that I'll exit this thread and leave him to the rest of his bigorty views

 

[diluted]

I am incredibly annoyed by people who continuously oppose means put in place by the state to oppose the mass spreading of homosexual culture. I mean how god-damned natural is that. people, especially my fellow heterosexuals, would do well to realise homo people don't make children and therefore don't contribute to the reproduction cycle and letting these people raise children puts a huge influence on the kids, making them think it's "okay" to be homo and that they can be that if they want to.

Same stupid argument as usual, because they can't reproduce doesn't mean they should be able to raise children? We'd better take away all those adopted kids in homes with heterosexual parents that are incapable of having their own children, we wouldn't those kids to grow up thinking that being infertile is normal and socially-acceptable, no no.

please no "you're born gay", it's strictly influence. find homo children age 3-6 if you want to prove me wrong.

A male friend I had from childhood always acted "girly" and "feminine" even when he was very young (we knew each other since we were 4 years old). Recently I ran into him, and guess what? He's gay. I suppose you think he made a conscious decision to be gay when he was 4 years old, right?

 

[kupocake]

please no "you're born gay", it's strictly influence. find homo children age 3-6 if you want to prove me wrong. by the way this age is one of the peaks of sexual drive especially for girls.

Who the hell died and left you the nobel prize for science? You've got no grounds for your preference of Nurture Vs Nature, and your "fact" is not only incorrect, but it's bordering on the paedophilic.

Seriously, find heterosexual children between the age of 3 and 6. Children do not have the capacity for any complex and meaningful relations like 'love' with either sex at that age.

 

[Pressure]

I am incredibly annoyed by people who continuously oppose means put in place by the state to oppose the mass spreading of homosexual culture. I mean how god-damned natural is that. people, especially my fellow heterosexuals, would do well to realise homo people don't make children and therefore don't contribute to the reproduction cycle and letting these people raise children puts a huge influence on the kids, making them think it's "okay" to be homo and that they can be that if they want to. please no "you're born gay", it's strictly influence. find homo children age 3-6 if you want to prove me wrong. by the way this age is one of the peaks of sexual drive especially for girls.

anyway this IS a case of generalisation here, not individualism.

What, may I ask you, is "wrong" with being homosexual? You state that being raised by homosexuals will make children believe being gay is "okay". God forbid they think it's okay, you'd rather raise children teaching them hate and bigotry? Just because they think it's "okay" doesn't mean they'll become homosexual themselves.

As for homosexuality being purely influence, you have neither the proof or the expertise in psychology to be making claims like that. Studies show that certain parts of the brain for gay males are similar in size to certain parts of a females brain and vice versa. It is completely possible that you are born gay, but it's almost impossible to say how much influence is caused by their environment.

As for children of that age being homosexual that is impossible. Children of that age do not have a sex drive and therefore, cannot have a sexual preference. If that age was their "sexual peak" then they would continuously be taking part in sexual acts. But seeing as how it is not that is not the case. Children at the age cannot comprehend that kind of stuff. Why do you think victims of molestation at that age are so traumatized?

Could you give me a reason other than realigous reasons as to why you oppose homosexuality? We are not animals, our realations are comprised of more than the need to reproduce. Also, the sole reason for adopting a child is to give them parents. If you want to stand behind your logic, then you should also say that we should leave orphan children to die since they have no parents, seeing an infant cannot survive on it's own.

Whether it be you are gay or not, you have the right as a human being, in my opinion, to love whom ever you want. No one has the right to dictate who you can or cannot fall in love with. The only thing opposing homosexuality does is promote bigotry.

 

[kmack]

yet another option for women who cant afford to take care of a baby taken away. we dont want you to have abortions, and now we are limiting the numbre of people who can adopt your child. So because of religious assholes who believe homosexuality is sinful who suffers? the homosexuals? no they can move. The foster children suffer, the ones who are stuck in the system. this is so selfish it makes me sick.