The Big Bang or God?

The Big Bang or God?

  • The Big Bang

    Votes: 133 84.2%

  • God

    Votes: 25 15.8%
  • Total voters
    158
Ask your teacher why they teach evolution in a Catholic School and not creation
 
May the Goddess have no mercy upon your heretic souls.
 
They dare question SCIENCE! those fools. i would like to see the pope invent nano-technolagy or atomic fision! those sons of bitches, there all like, "OH GOD SAVE ME!" they should say, "OH HAWKING SAVE ME!" hawking FTW 'D dont hate me cus im telling the.....erm..... *runs like hell* (which doesent exist)
 
bleh, considering the choices you give are limited, I'm going for big bang theory with no designer. However one of the arguments against this has been the 'odds' against life evolving from the primordial soup (hehe). It's falst reasoning, but I won't get into that..
 
X_Naruto said:
bleh, considering the choices you give are limited, I'm going for big bang theory with no designer. However one of the arguments against this has been the 'odds' against life evolving from the primordial soup (hehe). It's falst reasoning, but I won't get into that..
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I don't know the proper mathematical explanation for that, but my layman's interpretation is this:

The probability of a so-called "primordial soup" giving birth to self-sustaining life is small. The probability of a billion primordial soups spread across a billion planets giving birth to life at some point over the span of billions of years is approximately 1.
 
Actually, I believe, that life coming from a primordial soup has been proved to be quite likely.
 
Operational said:
Actually, I believe, that life coming from a primordial soup has been proved to be quite likely.
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I agree.

For those who don't understand the big bang theory.. I am sure most know what that is, but for those who wonder, "huh?" I shall explain!

The Universe bagan as an infinitely dense hot fireball, a scrambling of space and time which exploded outward. Within the first second after the bang gravity came into being. The universe expanded rapidly and became flooded with subatomic particles that slammed into one another, forming protons and neutrons. Three minutes later when the temp was down to a mere 500 billion degrees Fahrenheit protons and neutrons formed the nuclei of Hydrogen, helium, and lithium (The simplest elements).

Okay okay, I suppose some of you are grinning by now, because my argument has a HUGE flaw: here we have a 'dense hot fireball'...formed by what? Exactly what is causing the fireball to be a ball in the first place? What force causes it to explode outward? What establishes and sets into motion the laws of physices which causes the Big Bang?

Well I bring it up because that is the question that has dogged scientists for years and years. The only person I know of who has at least found a way out of it is Stephen Hawking...what he has done is question whether the Universe has any beginning at all in terms of space and time. He jokingly refers to this as trying to see into the mind of God. He has postulated that linear time ie progression from past to future did not exist. Like the earth which is round he suggests that time may be the same a circle. So in fact the explosion outwards may in fact be followed billions of years from now by a retraction and the explosion again. It's all physics which is not even a decent area of mine, I'm very poor at physics but Hawking put it this way..."Asking what happens before the big bang is like asking for a point one mile north of the North Pole".
 
i thought the universe was expanding faster than predicted and that it wouldn't contract again, because vacuum energy is pushing it out or something?
 
X_Naruto said:
I agree.

For those who don't understand the big bang theory.. I am sure most know what that is, but for those who wonder, "huh?" I shall explain!

The Universe bagan as an infinitely dense hot fireball, a scrambling of space and time which exploded outward. Within the first second after the bang gravity came into being. The universe expanded rapidly and became flooded with subatomic particles that slammed into one another, forming protons and neutrons. Three minutes later when the temp was down to a mere 500 billion degrees Fahrenheit protons and neutrons formed the nuclei of Hydrogen, helium, and lithium (The simplest elements).

Okay okay, I suppose some of you are grinning by now, because my argument has a HUGE flaw: here we have a 'dense hot fireball'...formed by what? Exactly what is causing the fireball to be a ball in the first place? What force causes it to explode outward? What establishes and sets into motion the laws of physices which causes the Big Bang?

Well I bring it up because that is the question that has dogged scientists for years and years. The only person I know of who has at least found a way out of it is Stephen Hawking...what he has done is question whether the Universe has any beginning at all in terms of space and time. He jokingly refers to this as trying to see into the mind of God. He has postulated that linear time ie progression from past to future did not exist. Like the earth which is round he suggests that time may be the same a circle. So in fact the explosion outwards may in fact be followed billions of years from now by a retraction and the explosion again. It's all physics which is not even a decent area of mine, I'm very poor at physics but Hawking put it this way..."Asking what happens before the big bang is like asking for a point one mile north of the North Pole".
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I don't think that was Hawking's stance on it. What he means with that last part is that asking what was before (a concept directly dependant on time) the creation of time is nonsense. The Big Bang created time and there is no "before" that.
 
I simply see it as:

We dont know. End of. Its all theory. Until we can go back a SEE it happen, we will never know WHAT happened. However, i dont believe in God so im for the Big Bang.

Its something our minds simply cant comprehend, no matter what your IQ is.
 
Our minds were made for surviving, not physics, biology, and chemistry; our language, for screaming defiance at the monkeys in the next tree, not for expressing all senses or to explain why stuff worked. >>
 
If everything explodes outwards how can the particles collide? They should all be rushing away from each other!
D:
 
ĐynastҰ said:
I simply see it as:

We dont know. End of. Its all theory. Until we can go back a SEE it happen, we will never know WHAT happened. However, i dont believe in God so im for the Big Bang.

Its something our minds simply cant comprehend, no matter what your IQ is.
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Yes we can know, we don't have to see to know that.
 
ĐynastҰ said:
I simply see it as:

We dont know. End of. Its all theory. Until we can go back a SEE it happen, we will never know WHAT happened. However, i dont believe in God so im for the Big Bang.

Its something our minds simply cant comprehend, no matter what your IQ is.
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And how can you state that?
Is your brain capable of relaying the correct information here......

Basically nothing can be proven as 100% ever because we could all be perceiving things in the wrong way.
We must however go on what appears to be the most logical theory at the time, although we cannot prove there was a big bang we can observe effects in space and make a strong theory.
 
I believe perception is truth and whatever we are perceiving is worth believing. That should be proof enough. Our simple language is open enough to interpretation that it's slmost impossible to be wrong.
Big? Nothing we know of is bigger than the universe. Bang? The soundwaves would have been too long to hear, but bang is pretty much how the universe works. Energy. Everything explodes in some fashion, at some level.
 
Planetary said:
Big Bang.

With God, there are annoying questions like "Who created It?
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Yeah true, but there's still the question of "What caused the big bang?" and "what was before the big bang?" and so on and so on.

Of course that doesn't validate the existence of a god, but i'm just saying we'll never know what the **** created the universe.
 
In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded.
 
Theres one word popping up here: THEORY

Have people forgotten what theory is? Its basically a GUESS based on findings, facts etc.

So until someone goes BACK at WATCHES something happen, we cant say it 100% DID happen.
 
A theory is not a guess. At least not a scientific theory.

There are different kinds. The theory of gravity is not the same as a conspiracy theory, for instance.
 
ĐynastҰ said:
Theres one word popping up here: THEORY

Have people forgotten what theory is? Its basically a GUESS based on findings, facts etc.

So until someone goes BACK at WATCHES something happen, we cant say it 100% DID happen.
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No a theory is not a GUESS.

A scientific theory is when a hypothesis is suggested, it is rigorously tested by experiments, people try and do experiments to prove it wrong, it explains all the results and is then accepted by the Scientific community.

Learn some Science.
 
ĐynastҰ said:
Theres one word popping up here: THEORY

Have people forgotten what theory is? Its basically a GUESS based on findings, facts etc.

So until someone goes BACK at WATCHES something happen, we cant say it 100% DID happen.
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Oh yes, I guess the Theory of Gravity is technically not 100% proven. However, since you're still standing on this immense hunk of rock, I think we can safely say that it's pretty damn strong.
 
Not to mention how the planets of our solar system always seem to revolving around the same pattern, i would say gravity is pretty certain.
 
You could say instead of gravity you are in a constant acceleration. For example, picture being in an elevator in space, all of a sudden you feel a pull towards the floor. How do you know if your accelerating or in a gravitational field?

Just find this thought experiment interesting.
 
the theory of gravity is dumb, the theory of intelligent falling explains everything sooo much better.
 
We can easily use the physics "theory" of every action having an equal and opposite reaction, to claim the big bang not only destroyed the universe, but simultaneously created it!

As stupid as that is, I haven't yet read a post challenging scientific theories that automatically assumes that "theory" means "guess".
 
ĐynastҰ said:
Theres one word popping up here: THEORY

Have people forgotten what theory is? Its basically a GUESS based on findings, facts etc.
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I hate you, and wish you ill luck.

After everything I've said on this forum to the contrary, people still think a scientific theory is the same as a philosophical theory.
 
"the universe isn't queerer than we suppose, it is queerer than we CAN suppose"
 
Tyguy said:
You could say instead of gravity you are in a constant acceleration. For example, picture being in an elevator in space, all of a sudden you feel a pull towards the floor. How do you know if your accelerating or in a gravitational field?

Just find this thought experiment interesting.
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Gravity is acceleration, though acceleration is not always gravity as you are stating here.

Thing is though, if you were to suddenly enter a gravity feild, you wouldn't feel anything because the constant of gravity would pull equally on you and the elevator. If the elevator were somehow tethered so it would not move, you would not know the difference. I just think that proves gravity is a controlled and very constant form of acceleration.

I don't see how people can have trouble imagining it. It's basically like magnetism, though it affects all matter and energies, and is somewhat weaker yet has a much wider field of operation.

Oh by the way,
in the beginning,
there was nothing,
then God exploded.
 
_Z_Ryuken said:
Gravity is acceleration, though acceleration is not always gravity as you are stating here.

Thing is though, if you were to suddenly enter a gravity feild, you wouldn't feel anything because the constant of gravity would pull equally on you and the elevator. If the elevator were somehow tethered so it would not move, you would not know the difference. I just think that proves gravity is a controlled and very constant form of acceleration.

I don't see how people can have trouble imagining it. It's basically like magnetism, though it affects all matter and energies, and is somewhat weaker yet has a much wider field of operation.

Oh by the way,
in the beginning,
there was nothing,
then God exploded.
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?
You think you can rival 2centuries of physics with that?
 
should have made this public so we could point and laugh at the creationists.
 
Jintor said:
You haven't countered his arguement, just said 'it's shit' and nothing else.
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It screams bullshit to anyone who has so much as a GCSE in physics but hey:

[quotew] Gravity is acceleration, though acceleration is not always gravity as you are stating here.[/quote]
So gravity=acceleration but acceleration=gravity? [/quote]
Thing is though, if you were to suddenly enter a gravity feild,
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A 'gravity field'?
you wouldn't feel anything because the constant of gravity would pull equally on you and the elevator.
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'The constant of gravity'?
Gravity is variable.
If the elevator were somehow tethered so it would not move, you would not know the difference. I just think that proves gravity is a controlled and very constant form of acceleration.
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No it doesn't, I find it ****ing hilarious that you think THAT disproves everything physicists have come to understand about gravity.

Oh dear.

Gravity 101: All mass is attracted to all other mass. It's becuase of something to do with gravitons and curves in space-time.

I don't see how people can have trouble imagining it. It's basically like magnetism, though it affects all matter and energies, and is somewhat weaker yet has a much wider field of operation.
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Solaris said:
It screams bullshit to anyone who has so much as a GCSE in physics but hey:

Gravity is acceleration, though acceleration is not always gravity as you are stating here.
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So gravity=acceleration but acceleration=gravity?
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You misread that. Gravity is always acceleration, but acceleration isn't always gravity. It's like saying all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.
 
_Z_Ryuken said:
I don't see how people can have trouble imagining it. It's basically like magnetism, though it affects all matter and energies, and is somewhat weaker yet has a much wider field of operation.
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Gravity doesn't pull. Gravity is mass that's bending space-time. If space were a blanket (2D surface) and a star was a bowling ball, then gravity would be the blanket forming a pit under the mass of the bowling ball. Then, if you would place a tennis ball on the blanket, it would move towards the bowling ball because it follows the curvature of the blanket, not because the bowling ball pulls. Real gravity just works a dimension higher.
 
Oh just gtfover it. If some people think it was started that way, so be it. Just let it the **** be for crying out loud!
 
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