Krynn72
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The Big Bang or God?
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As much as I am tempted to do the "civilized" thing and agree to disagree, I'm going to resist it. And I mean that with no offensive intent.
The blunt truth of the matter is that we are not on an equal playing field. My absence of religious belief was borne from an absence of a coherent rationale and evidence for the existence of gods. Your religious beliefs are based entirely on faith.
Ignoring how these two positions compare on the whole for the time being, it should be agreed that nothing in the education system should be based on faith. It needs to be explained how and why mathematical equations work. Why certain chemicals react the way they do. The reasons and motives behind acts throughout history. It is imperative that students learn what makes a substantial claim or argument, and the conclusions should naturally follow.
Putting creationism into the curriculum sets a double standard and is absolutely useless in terms of educational merit. It is nothing but the education system bending over backwards to appease theists. Let me make this clear for you. You are comparing the Big Bang - a scientific theory with a lot of thought and time put into it, and is still under debate today - against "God did it". Surely you see the discrepancy? If you're going to allow the teaching of Creationism as valid, then you need to give equal time to every other ludicrous belief. That can number in the millions.
Concerning the education system, it is good that they represent both beliefs, as not all students are atheists. On the same token, not all students will be Catholic, or Jewish, or Buhddists so i guess the school is doing the right thing by the community.
It is absolutely of no concern of mine that not everybody is an atheist. That is totally irrelevant. You are essentially advocating the teaching of unsubstantiated or downright false information just so people can feel comfortable with their religion. You are erecting a barrier to protect it from facts. You are misleading people into believing that their faith-based theories are valid when, in reality, they are not in the slightest. If religious beliefs don't match up with empirical data, then that's an indication that we should abandon such beliefs. Not carve out a safe little hole for them.
We need to stop coddling religious students under this bullshit idea of politeness. We wouldn't do the same with students who think rocks have souls, the Earth is flat, and electricity is actually microscopic sprites pumping magic into our equipment.
There are no two sides to this argument.
Creationism has absolutely nothing supporting it. It has no argument to make. You could say that gravity is actually the force of God pushing you down to Earth with his hands, but there are no "two sides" for the theory of gravity because that alternative explanation isn't worth a sneeze.
Stop supporting the peddling of pseudoscience into the classrooms.
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****ing Gabbleh
that is all.
Can't be ****ed spamming this thread...
GTFon gabbleh.
that is all.
Can't be ****ed spamming this thread...
GTFon gabbleh.
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A question to all the people that defend the religious view on creation:
Have you ever considered the fact that your religion isn't the only one on the planet and that there are multiple myths about creation? How would you explain that? Are the other religions wrong, just like science? Because if so, that is so pedantic.
Have you ever considered the fact that your religion isn't the only one on the planet and that there are multiple myths about creation? How would you explain that? Are the other religions wrong, just like science? Because if so, that is so pedantic.
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...waiting...
Yes shakermaker, refer to the start of the thread.
Yes shakermaker, refer to the start of the thread.
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The start of the thread refers to the Big Bang theory vs. the God-created-Earth-in-six-days-myth. As you might (or rather: might not) know there are multiple religions that have a very different take on creation. Hinduism for example. Hundreds of millions of people believe that. Are they just plain wrong too?
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I found it pretty close to what I think.
I also had a text document with a bunch contradictions in the bible, but it seems I deleted it on accident. Damn.
EDIT: sweet, i just put it in a folder by accident. Dont know if i should post though, since its a little bit off the original topic.
I also had a text document with a bunch contradictions in the bible, but it seems I deleted it on accident. Damn.
EDIT: sweet, i just put it in a folder by accident. Dont know if i should post though, since its a little bit off the original topic.
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Ill post it anyways i guess.
/prays for no ban
see what i did there?
In Genesis 3:16 god punishes all women, innocent or not, with painful
childbirth and subjugation to men.
In Genesis 7:4 god has a bad day at the office, thus decides to drown
innocent babies, and animals both wild and domestic.
In Exodus 4:11 god boasts about making people handicapped.
In Exodus 4:23 god resorts to hostage taking and terrorism in order to
get his own way. He does this via threatening a baby. Soon, he is
slaughtering little babies all across Egypt.
In Exodus 9:19-20 god slaughters Egyptian cattle. Sometimes, cow
tipping just isn't enough.
In Exodus 9:29-30 god kills off innocent babies, and whatever cows he
missed earlier.
In Exodus 20:17 god tells us not to free another's slaves.
Abolitionists beware!!
In Exodus 32:27-28 god tells the sons to slaughter their neighbors:
3,000 men are slain.
In Leviticus 19:20-22 god demands that raping a slave woman is
punishable by scourging the victim. The rapist is to be forgiven.
In Leviticus 25:44-46 god tells his followers to make slaves of their neighbors.
In Leviticus 27:3-7 god helpfully provides a pricing guide. According
to this guide, as a male between the ages of 20 and 60 years (the most
expensive category), I am worth approximately US$25. How much are you
worth to god?
In Numbers 14:18 god's idea of justice is explained: little children
are to be punished for their great-great grandparents transgressions.
In Numbers 31:1-54 god tells his followers to commit genocide,
"sparing" only the virgin girls, who are to be raped. Even god gets
some "unspared" virgins.
In Numbers 33:4 god kills of another batch of Egyptian babies.
Abortion is a sin because...?
In Deuteronomy 2:33-36 god demands genocide again. No mention of
virgin girls this time, unless these children are raped to death...
In Deuteronomy 7:2 god demands more genocide from his followers.
In Deuteronomy 13:12-16 god demands new and improved genocide, now
including cattle. Oh, wait, we've had that before. Damn cows.
In Deuteronomy 32:21-26 god glories in being a psychotic terrorist.
Don't miss the atrocities of Deuteronomy 28, either!
In Joshua 6:18-19 the omnipotent creator is short of cash, again.
In Joshua 8:22-26 god demands more genocide, plus some more slavery as
detailed in Joshua 9:21-27, but this time, in Joshua 10:10-11, we get
slaughter and a chase scene!! Go, god!!
In Joshua 10:28-32 god demands still more genocide.
In Joshua 11:6-17 god still demands more genocide. There are more
exceptions to "Thou shalt not kill" than there are to a rich man's tax
code.
In Judges 1:2-7. god's takes a break from genocide, has his followers
kill "only" 10,000 people, but at least they get to torture and
mutilate somebody by cutting off both thumbs and big toes!
In Judges 1:12-13 Caleb offers his daughter as prize to anyone who
conquers the City of Debir. The girl's cousin wins the contest, thus
the prize.
In Judges 1:17-19 god gets back to good, ol' regular genocide. Killing
innocent people is serious work!!
In Judges 2:14 god has a temper-tantrum and sells Israel into slavery.
In Judges 3:28-29 & 4:15-16 god reverts to, you guessed it, genocide.
In Judges 5:30 god hands out a damsel or two to each of his rapist
soldiers. Booty Call!!
In Judges 10:17 god gets angry at Israel, again, and sells them into
slavery, again.
In Judges 12:6 god slays 42,000 innocent people because someone with a
speech impediment mispronounces the word "shibboleth". I'll bet you
thought the word "lisp" was cruel jest.
In Judges 15:4-8 a "righteous" Samson captures 300 foxes, ties their
tails together, and sets them on fire. Abusing animals is almost as
righteous as killing babies, apparently.
In Judges 19:22-30, after taking in a traveling Levite, the host
offers his virgin daughter and his guest's concubine to a mob of
perverts (who want to have sex with his guest). The mob refuses the
daughter, but accepts the concubine and they "abuse her all night."
The next morning she crawls back to the doorstep and dies. The Levite
mounts her dead body on an ass and takes her home. Then he chops her
body up into twelve pieces and sends them to each of the twelve tribes
of Israel.
In Judges 21:7-23 in order to find wives for the Benjamites, who were
unwilling to use their own daughters, the other tribes attacked and
killed all occupants of a city except for the young virgins. These
virgins were then given to the Benjamites as "wives".
In 1 Samuel 2:10 if god doesn't like you he will send a thunderstorm
to break your body into little pieces. In 1 Samuel 2:31-34, if god
really doesn't like you, he will cut off your arm, consume your eyes,
grieve your heart, and slay your sons & grandfathers. In 1 Samuel 5:6,
9, and 12 we learn that if god really, really doesn't like you, he
will give you hemorrhoids in your "secret parts".
In 1 Samuel 5:11 god wipes out another city.
In 1 Samuel 15:2-3 god demands more genocide, this time as punishment
for some no doubt petty transgression committed hundreds of years
previously by the forefathers of these innocent people.
In 1 Samuel 15:7-34 god goads Saul into torturing & slaying his
prisoner, a King.
In Matthew 5:17 Jesus strongly approves of the law & the prophets. He
hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.
In Matthew 8:21 Jesus shows no compassion for the bereaved, saying to
a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead."
In Matthew 8:32 Jesus abuses animals by sending some devils into a
herd of pigs, causing the pigs to run off a cliff & drown in the sea
below. The acorn does not fall far from the tree. Was there a local
shortage of Egyptian cows? Moo!
In Matthew 10:15 Jesus becomes a terrorist, and threatens genocide
against cities.
In Matthew 10:28 Jesus tries to scare people by telling them that his
dad can beat up their dad.
In Matthew 11:20-24 Jesus threatens more cities.
In Matthew 12:47-49 "Mister Family Values" himself (Jesus) is
disrespectful to his mother and rude to his brothers.
In Matthew 13:41-42 Jesus threatens to send his angels against any who
offend him, and send them straight to hell. Love, peace, tolerance,
and forgiveness are beneath him, apparently.
In Matthew 15:4-7 Jesus commits hypocrisy by demanding all others to
honor their parents. "Sorry about being rude back in Matthew 12, Mom."
In Matthew 18:8-9 Jesus advocates self-mutilation, but for others, not
him. He's perfect, thank you.
In Matthew 18:25 Jesus advocates slavery.
In Matthew 25:29 Jesus proposes a system of economy where the rich get
richer and the poor get poorer.
In Mark 5:12-13 Jesus spooks 2,000 pigs, causing them to jump of a
cliff and drown in the sea. Is this evidence of more animal abuse, or
is the story from Matthew 8:32 getting better with each telling?
In Mark 6:11 Jesus resorts to threatening cities again. Die, innocent
babies, Die!!
In Mark 7:9-13 Jesus criticizes people for not killing their children,
as they should have, according to Old Testament law. The same law
Jesus broke when he was disrespectful to his Mother in Matthew
12:47-49.
In Mark 10:29-30 Jesus will reward men who abandon their wives and children.
In Mark 11:13-14 Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing fruit, even
though it was out of season. Apparently, "Mister Perfect" wasn't much
of an agronomist, or ethicist.
In Luke 8:20-21 Jesus is disrespectful to his mother and rude to his
brothers, again. Or still?
In Luke 8:27-37 Jesus heals a naked man who was possessed by many
devils by sending the devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run
off a cliff and drown in the sea. This messy, cruel, and expensive
(for the owners of the pigs) treatment did not favorably impress the
local residents, and Jesus was asked to leave. This story does get
better with each telling!!
In Luke 10:10-15 Jesus terrorizes entire cities, claiming they will be
violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not
"receiving" his disciples. No doubt these people preferred their pigs.
In Luke 12:46-47 Jesus likens god to a sadistic, diabolical
slave-owner, who will beat you "with many stripes".
In Luke 14:26 Jesus decides that it is not enough for men to abandon
their families; they must actively hate them, too. Where is the love??
In Luke 16:17 Jesus declares that all the vicious, irrational laws of
the Old Testament are binding forever.
In Luke 17:27 Jesus talks about Noah, neatly demonstrating his own
ignorance of science, history, and justice.
In John 2:4 Jesus is, again, rude to his mother. She seems so nice, too.
In John 5:14 Jesus stupidly announces that god handicaps people as
just punishment for their sins.
In John 7:8-10 Jesus lies to his family about attending a feast.
In Acts 5:1-10 Peter, with god's help, kills a man who sold his
possessions, but did not fork over all of the earnings. Why is the
omnipotent creator always short of cash?
In Acts 13:48 we learn that only pre-ordained people would be allowed
in heaven. So much for freewill...
/prays for no ban
see what i did there?
In Genesis 3:16 god punishes all women, innocent or not, with painful
childbirth and subjugation to men.
In Genesis 7:4 god has a bad day at the office, thus decides to drown
innocent babies, and animals both wild and domestic.
In Exodus 4:11 god boasts about making people handicapped.
In Exodus 4:23 god resorts to hostage taking and terrorism in order to
get his own way. He does this via threatening a baby. Soon, he is
slaughtering little babies all across Egypt.
In Exodus 9:19-20 god slaughters Egyptian cattle. Sometimes, cow
tipping just isn't enough.
In Exodus 9:29-30 god kills off innocent babies, and whatever cows he
missed earlier.
In Exodus 20:17 god tells us not to free another's slaves.
Abolitionists beware!!
In Exodus 32:27-28 god tells the sons to slaughter their neighbors:
3,000 men are slain.
In Leviticus 19:20-22 god demands that raping a slave woman is
punishable by scourging the victim. The rapist is to be forgiven.
In Leviticus 25:44-46 god tells his followers to make slaves of their neighbors.
In Leviticus 27:3-7 god helpfully provides a pricing guide. According
to this guide, as a male between the ages of 20 and 60 years (the most
expensive category), I am worth approximately US$25. How much are you
worth to god?
In Numbers 14:18 god's idea of justice is explained: little children
are to be punished for their great-great grandparents transgressions.
In Numbers 31:1-54 god tells his followers to commit genocide,
"sparing" only the virgin girls, who are to be raped. Even god gets
some "unspared" virgins.
In Numbers 33:4 god kills of another batch of Egyptian babies.
Abortion is a sin because...?
In Deuteronomy 2:33-36 god demands genocide again. No mention of
virgin girls this time, unless these children are raped to death...
In Deuteronomy 7:2 god demands more genocide from his followers.
In Deuteronomy 13:12-16 god demands new and improved genocide, now
including cattle. Oh, wait, we've had that before. Damn cows.
In Deuteronomy 32:21-26 god glories in being a psychotic terrorist.
Don't miss the atrocities of Deuteronomy 28, either!
In Joshua 6:18-19 the omnipotent creator is short of cash, again.
In Joshua 8:22-26 god demands more genocide, plus some more slavery as
detailed in Joshua 9:21-27, but this time, in Joshua 10:10-11, we get
slaughter and a chase scene!! Go, god!!
In Joshua 10:28-32 god demands still more genocide.
In Joshua 11:6-17 god still demands more genocide. There are more
exceptions to "Thou shalt not kill" than there are to a rich man's tax
code.
In Judges 1:2-7. god's takes a break from genocide, has his followers
kill "only" 10,000 people, but at least they get to torture and
mutilate somebody by cutting off both thumbs and big toes!
In Judges 1:12-13 Caleb offers his daughter as prize to anyone who
conquers the City of Debir. The girl's cousin wins the contest, thus
the prize.
In Judges 1:17-19 god gets back to good, ol' regular genocide. Killing
innocent people is serious work!!
In Judges 2:14 god has a temper-tantrum and sells Israel into slavery.
In Judges 3:28-29 & 4:15-16 god reverts to, you guessed it, genocide.
In Judges 5:30 god hands out a damsel or two to each of his rapist
soldiers. Booty Call!!
In Judges 10:17 god gets angry at Israel, again, and sells them into
slavery, again.
In Judges 12:6 god slays 42,000 innocent people because someone with a
speech impediment mispronounces the word "shibboleth". I'll bet you
thought the word "lisp" was cruel jest.
In Judges 15:4-8 a "righteous" Samson captures 300 foxes, ties their
tails together, and sets them on fire. Abusing animals is almost as
righteous as killing babies, apparently.
In Judges 19:22-30, after taking in a traveling Levite, the host
offers his virgin daughter and his guest's concubine to a mob of
perverts (who want to have sex with his guest). The mob refuses the
daughter, but accepts the concubine and they "abuse her all night."
The next morning she crawls back to the doorstep and dies. The Levite
mounts her dead body on an ass and takes her home. Then he chops her
body up into twelve pieces and sends them to each of the twelve tribes
of Israel.
In Judges 21:7-23 in order to find wives for the Benjamites, who were
unwilling to use their own daughters, the other tribes attacked and
killed all occupants of a city except for the young virgins. These
virgins were then given to the Benjamites as "wives".
In 1 Samuel 2:10 if god doesn't like you he will send a thunderstorm
to break your body into little pieces. In 1 Samuel 2:31-34, if god
really doesn't like you, he will cut off your arm, consume your eyes,
grieve your heart, and slay your sons & grandfathers. In 1 Samuel 5:6,
9, and 12 we learn that if god really, really doesn't like you, he
will give you hemorrhoids in your "secret parts".
In 1 Samuel 5:11 god wipes out another city.
In 1 Samuel 15:2-3 god demands more genocide, this time as punishment
for some no doubt petty transgression committed hundreds of years
previously by the forefathers of these innocent people.
In 1 Samuel 15:7-34 god goads Saul into torturing & slaying his
prisoner, a King.
In Matthew 5:17 Jesus strongly approves of the law & the prophets. He
hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.
In Matthew 8:21 Jesus shows no compassion for the bereaved, saying to
a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead."
In Matthew 8:32 Jesus abuses animals by sending some devils into a
herd of pigs, causing the pigs to run off a cliff & drown in the sea
below. The acorn does not fall far from the tree. Was there a local
shortage of Egyptian cows? Moo!
In Matthew 10:15 Jesus becomes a terrorist, and threatens genocide
against cities.
In Matthew 10:28 Jesus tries to scare people by telling them that his
dad can beat up their dad.
In Matthew 11:20-24 Jesus threatens more cities.
In Matthew 12:47-49 "Mister Family Values" himself (Jesus) is
disrespectful to his mother and rude to his brothers.
In Matthew 13:41-42 Jesus threatens to send his angels against any who
offend him, and send them straight to hell. Love, peace, tolerance,
and forgiveness are beneath him, apparently.
In Matthew 15:4-7 Jesus commits hypocrisy by demanding all others to
honor their parents. "Sorry about being rude back in Matthew 12, Mom."
In Matthew 18:8-9 Jesus advocates self-mutilation, but for others, not
him. He's perfect, thank you.
In Matthew 18:25 Jesus advocates slavery.
In Matthew 25:29 Jesus proposes a system of economy where the rich get
richer and the poor get poorer.
In Mark 5:12-13 Jesus spooks 2,000 pigs, causing them to jump of a
cliff and drown in the sea. Is this evidence of more animal abuse, or
is the story from Matthew 8:32 getting better with each telling?
In Mark 6:11 Jesus resorts to threatening cities again. Die, innocent
babies, Die!!
In Mark 7:9-13 Jesus criticizes people for not killing their children,
as they should have, according to Old Testament law. The same law
Jesus broke when he was disrespectful to his Mother in Matthew
12:47-49.
In Mark 10:29-30 Jesus will reward men who abandon their wives and children.
In Mark 11:13-14 Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing fruit, even
though it was out of season. Apparently, "Mister Perfect" wasn't much
of an agronomist, or ethicist.
In Luke 8:20-21 Jesus is disrespectful to his mother and rude to his
brothers, again. Or still?
In Luke 8:27-37 Jesus heals a naked man who was possessed by many
devils by sending the devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run
off a cliff and drown in the sea. This messy, cruel, and expensive
(for the owners of the pigs) treatment did not favorably impress the
local residents, and Jesus was asked to leave. This story does get
better with each telling!!
In Luke 10:10-15 Jesus terrorizes entire cities, claiming they will be
violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not
"receiving" his disciples. No doubt these people preferred their pigs.
In Luke 12:46-47 Jesus likens god to a sadistic, diabolical
slave-owner, who will beat you "with many stripes".
In Luke 14:26 Jesus decides that it is not enough for men to abandon
their families; they must actively hate them, too. Where is the love??
In Luke 16:17 Jesus declares that all the vicious, irrational laws of
the Old Testament are binding forever.
In Luke 17:27 Jesus talks about Noah, neatly demonstrating his own
ignorance of science, history, and justice.
In John 2:4 Jesus is, again, rude to his mother. She seems so nice, too.
In John 5:14 Jesus stupidly announces that god handicaps people as
just punishment for their sins.
In John 7:8-10 Jesus lies to his family about attending a feast.
In Acts 5:1-10 Peter, with god's help, kills a man who sold his
possessions, but did not fork over all of the earnings. Why is the
omnipotent creator always short of cash?
In Acts 13:48 we learn that only pre-ordained people would be allowed
in heaven. So much for freewill...
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lol... nup... oh yeah... is there anyone else on this forum who holds religion...?
Don't think that religious beliefs in someway, interfere with the way one would view the world. For instance; you give a scientific subject that is backed by bible bashers and i will usually support the scientific side of it. For eg: Gravity. Duh. God does not control gravity. :hmph:
oh... and yes: I SUPPORT THE BIG BANG THEORY DAMMIT!!! Нет никакой надежды на мир, который я вижу!!!
And yes, there were two sides to the argument.
Don't think that religious beliefs in someway, interfere with the way one would view the world. For instance; you give a scientific subject that is backed by bible bashers and i will usually support the scientific side of it. For eg: Gravity. Duh. God does not control gravity. :hmph:
oh... and yes: I SUPPORT THE BIG BANG THEORY DAMMIT!!! Нет никакой надежды на мир, который я вижу!!!
And yes, there were two sides to the argument.
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Well I believe what I think is more logical. At the moment science seems the most logical to me. But if somebody can show me some solid PROOF that it happened any other way then I will have no problems believing that way.
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Big bang but that's not the whole story, it's an infinitely small part of the whole story in fact.
Jintor
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Problem is, we only comphrehend what we can comphrehend. There could be a shitloud of crap out there that we simply can't (5 senses) and we'd never, ever know it.
I'm not saying it's there. I'm just saying... it *could* be there.
(BIG BANG!)
I'm not saying it's there. I'm just saying... it *could* be there.
(BIG BANG!)
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Although I find a the big bang theory a little mind-boggling and improbable:
Scientific theory drawn up from years of research and evidence collected by some of the greatest minds on the planet > Invisible man in the sky conjured it up in a week.
Scientific theory drawn up from years of research and evidence collected by some of the greatest minds on the planet > Invisible man in the sky conjured it up in a week.
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If I was to walk into a classroom and just make shit up based on a dodgey website I would fail, or at least have to redo said work with a credible resource. Where is religions credible resource?
And I don't mean that strange book written by hundreds of different people at different time periods based on the words of the greatest wacko of them all, Jesus.
And I don't mean that strange book written by hundreds of different people at different time periods based on the words of the greatest wacko of them all, Jesus.
PimpinPenguin
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I was not allowed to do the big bang at school since people found it offensive which was stupid. I belive in the big bang because listening to religion explanations are stupid like God made fossils to fool people.
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Diesm is what it's called. Much better than the "6-days theory" I'm sure everyone will agree (well every logical person anyway)
And Pimpin' Peguin that school sounds like shit. Serously no offence but that sounds terrible. I'm offended that people are dumb enough to believe god created the Earth in 6 days. Religon shouldn't be allowed.
If you haven't figured it out, I believe in the Big Bang (Steven Hawking believes it, along with most intelligent people and I trust them more than some arcaich book), but I don't involve god
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I believe in the big bang too! obviously we don't know what created the big bang, but there's scientific explaination for that im sure!.
You see.. this is the age old discussion that no one wants to bother taking to the next level, of course you can have theories that god created the big bang, you can even have theories that a squirrel did it too, and heck why not David Hasselhoff himself.
The deal here is even scientists are pretty much baselessly contradicting themselves when they believe the big bang came from nothing whatsoever, so it's only human for people to believe whatever the hell they like till anyone finds out otherwise, and in light of our present understanding that is totally acceptable.
You see.. this is the age old discussion that no one wants to bother taking to the next level, of course you can have theories that god created the big bang, you can even have theories that a squirrel did it too, and heck why not David Hasselhoff himself.
The deal here is even scientists are pretty much baselessly contradicting themselves when they believe the big bang came from nothing whatsoever, so it's only human for people to believe whatever the hell they like till anyone finds out otherwise, and in light of our present understanding that is totally acceptable.
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I believe there is a fine line between faith and science and choose to go with both, thats why i believe in both the God theory and the Big Bang theory. I have faith as well as a contemplating science, because i believe there is something more to everything than we can simply see, it baffles me how that makes me stupid.
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No it's not better than '6 days theory'. Lets make them sound as childish as they really are, in fact, we should take out the word theory, becuase a theory is a hypothesis that is rigorously tested and then accepted amongst the Scientific community. Instead of Diest's or Theist's it should be 'creationist nutjobs' or 'mad hatters'.
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Noo don't turn this into another creationist vs atheist debate, done to death sir. Start at something more fundemental like what could of possibly created the big bang, rather than pay any attention to the unobjective 6 days theory, else you just go into a flaming loophole of creationsist are mad nutjobs, and scientific atheists are faithless boobs.
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What caused the big bang?
All the other infinite possibilities did, which, due to being infinite in nature balance out the big bang universe perfectly.
Infinite universes and absolutely nothing coexist (a universal singularity)
How do i know this?
It is the ONLY possibility.
The probability that this exact universe would exist in such a system is 1, it is 100% likely whereas a single universe is about as likely as i am to eat a dog shit.
All the other infinite possibilities did, which, due to being infinite in nature balance out the big bang universe perfectly.
Infinite universes and absolutely nothing coexist (a universal singularity)
How do i know this?
It is the ONLY possibility.
The probability that this exact universe would exist in such a system is 1, it is 100% likely whereas a single universe is about as likely as i am to eat a dog shit.
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Generate a random number between 1 and 1000 000 000 000 000.
The chance of getting that exact number is only 1 in 1000 000 000 000 000, but you will still get a number.
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Actually, Solaris, from the brief overview I read Deism seems like a perfectly fine alternative if you want to combine Reasoning with a belief in God.
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Well yes, but that's actually agreeing with what i said.
Although the 1000 000 000 000 000 should be ∞ and then see what happens.
And anyway, you say generate a 'random' number how is that possible?
Likewise our universe could not be randomly selected from nothing, our universe is too random to have been randomly made.
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Neither one seems very credible.
That should've been an option.
That should've been an option.
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Religion, don`t make me laugh.
If anybody can give me a single shred of proof that there is a higher power, then fair play. That single shred will serve to sway millions, and depending on the validity of said proof, perhaps even me.
Until then, pray all you want, but do NOT expect me to respect your beliefs when you place them on such rickety supports.
Big bang all the way.
If anybody can give me a single shred of proof that there is a higher power, then fair play. That single shred will serve to sway millions, and depending on the validity of said proof, perhaps even me.
Until then, pray all you want, but do NOT expect me to respect your beliefs when you place them on such rickety supports.
Big bang all the way.
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It is too random as it is not just a binary perefectly balanced universe in which we (coherant life forms) would not exist.
The only other way such a 'random' event can occur is if infinite possibilities have always existed and will always exist in a perfectly balanced singularity.
Things don't just happen for no reason.
The only other way such a 'random' event can occur is if infinite possibilities have always existed and will always exist in a perfectly balanced singularity.
Things don't just happen for no reason.
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