The Big Bang or God?

[Adrien C]

Thanks god I'm atheist...

 

[Icarusintel]

It is too random as it is not just a binary perefectly balanced universe in which we (coherant life forms) would not exist.
The only other way such a 'random' event can occur is if infinite possibilities have always existed and will always exist in a perfectly balanced singularity.

Things don't just happen for no reason.

Then how did God happen?

 

[Terminator]

Then how did God happen?

Define 'god'

 

[Sulkdodds]

God (noun)
Short Recoil.

 

[Terminator]

Anything that occurs, does so because of the 'vacuum' if you like left by all the other occurances, the fact that they have occured forces the specific element to exist.

If you like imagine a balanced flywheel, if you add a weight on one side you must add the same weight on the other side for it to remain balanced, things are not however 'created' except in the view of a specific universe, everything has always existed what we experience in this universe as time and movement is moving to one event to another out of an infinitely large series of universes.

 

[ríomhaire]

Stupid poll for a number of regions:
The Big Bang is not the only way the unvirse had to have started without a God.
God could have been said to have caused the Big Bang.

Therefore, this poll fails.

 

[Kyorisu]

This topic in general fails.

 

[<RJMC>]

I find kind of funny how some atheist defend the atheism is such a religious way

 

[Cole]

It is too random as it is not just a binary perefectly balanced universe in which we (coherant life forms) would not exist.
The only other way such a 'random' event can occur is if infinite possibilities have always existed and will always exist in a perfectly balanced singularity.

Things don't just happen for no reason.

Define "coherant life forms". Furthermore define "life". We are just atoms. How are we really any different from a sun besides different atoms and a different structure?

 

[Terminator]

Define "coherant life forms". Furthermore define "life". We are just atoms. How are we really any different from a sun besides different atoms and a different structure?

We're not, that was not my point.

My point is that we (and stars) are unbalanced structures of atoms that would not occur as a 'one off' occurance.

 

[Cole]

My point is that we (and stars) are unbalanced structures of atoms that would not occur as a 'one off' occurance.

I think deep down into it all we arn't unbalanced.

 

[Bad^Hat]

Big Bang?







... Vegeta created the universe? D:

 

[Muffin Man]

Entirely untrue. If you insult people's religions there's always the chance they'll wise up to their own stupidity, rather than having them go on thinking their beliefs have merit. This is one of those rare cases where ridicule helps the situation.

Oh, for ****'s sake, sorry we're not all enlightened like you.

 

[<RJMC>]

Big Bang?







... Vegeta created the universe? D:

no it was good that once went to the toilet and made this huge fart that was the big bang and them god said "holy shit man,lets make stuff whit it2 and them life as we know it begins

 

[NeptuneUK]

no it was good that once went to the toilet and made this huge fart that was the big bang and them god said "holy shit man,lets make stuff whit it2 and them life as we know it begins

 

[Smoke]

Oh, for ****'s sake, sorry we're not all enlightened like you.

You should be.

 

[lePobz]

It's not so clear cut. I don't doubt the big bang theory, but i'm not so ready to dismiss the presence of a greater being/force/intelligence. There's a lot more to life than what we see and feel. There's more to everything than just coincidence and inevitability. Look at anything, from the structure of atoms and the millions of complex mechanisms in every part of science ... things are perfect. We claim to be intelligent but we couldn't begin to copy what already exists.

I'm not religious in that I don't subscribe to any religion. That doesn't mean I don't believe in God ... although saying I believe in God doesn't mean I see God as an old man with a beard who listens to us. I know whatever this God is, it's way over my head. I'm just thankful it's there.

 

[Fliko]

There is always a but... There is a being on another level to our plane - it is that {in my mind} created the big bang. After you get past the BB it begins to be "then what made the Big Bang?"

That's part of the big bang theory

 

[Xendance]

Btw, I believe it was the big bang, yet I partly believe in God.

 

[Geogaddi]

Btw, I believe it was the big bang, yet I partly believe in God.

partly?


By that do you mean you know it's BS but you cling to it anyway?

 

[Krynn72]

I believe there is a fine line between faith and science and choose to go with both, thats why i believe in both the God theory and the Big Bang theory. I have faith as well as a contemplating science, because i believe there is something more to everything than we can simply see, it baffles me how that makes me stupid.

So do you believe that anything that can't be explained or seen yet has to the doing of god?

I believe we are in a time of transition, where science is coming into its own and we are getting more and more proof that there is no supernatural being guiding our lives and controlling things. I find it endlessly infuriating that religious people keep adapting their beliefs instead of admitting there is no god when scientific evidence is laid before them to prove their beliefs wrong.

Religious: "Lightning is what god throws when hes angry at us"
Scientific: "Lighting is just a electrical discharge that happens because of this..."
Religious: "Oh, well god made all that happen"

Religious: "Floods happen when god is pissed at us"
Scientific: "Actually, floods usually occur when there is a large earthquake under the ocean"
Religious: "Oh, well god made earthquakes"
Scientific: "Actually, earthquakes occur because of the tectonic plates of the earth are moving"
Religious: "Oh... well god made the earth, and he did it in six days"
Scientific: "Actually, we have evidence that the earth wasnt built in 6 days, and that it may have been created by what we call the 'Big Bang'"
Religious: "Oh... well god started the big bang"


When the **** is it ever going to end?

 

[Ennui]

For anyone who believes in God and substantiates that belief by saying "What made the big bang / what preceded it / etc?": THATS STUPID. The universe is just as like to exist on its own terms as it is for a God to exist on his own terms in order to create the universe; the main difference is we know there is a universe but there's been absolutely NO indication that there is a god.

Thus, logically and reasonably, there's no reason to believe in god aside from your own half-conceived notions of the importance and validity of faith, which, when also considered reasonably, are similarly baseless and incorrect.

Now, if you acknowledge that it makes no sense whatsoever to believe in God, and that it's really just a way of fooling yourself so you feel better about scary things like death, space, and the nature of the universe, that's awesome and I respect your faith and religion. Otherwise, you're just a deluded ****head.

 

[AKIRA]

BIG BANG ATTACK!!!!

 

[Acepilotf14]

Krynn, it will all stop when noobs stop making forums about this crap and it gets retarded!

NO MORE EVOLUTION THREADS!

 

[ktimekiller]

It looks like everytime a threat of this kind pops up, some nasty arguements happen, i think there should be a religious debate section or something.

 

[Krynn72]

Krynn, it will all stop when noobs stop making forums about this crap and it gets retarded!

NO MORE EVOLUTION THREADS!

That would be bad. MOAR EVOLUTION THREADS!

And what do people expect when they make a thread about religion? There is obviously going to be a debate on it. Especially here where most of us realize how retarded the idea that some imaginary being controls us.

 

[Shift]

So do you believe that anything that can't be explained or seen yet has to the doing of god?

I believe we are in a time of transition, where science is coming into its own and we are getting more and more proof that there is no supernatural being guiding our lives and controlling things. I find it endlessly infuriating that religious people keep adapting their beliefs instead of admitting there is no god when scientific evidence is laid before them to prove their beliefs wrong.

Religious: "Lightning is what god throws when hes angry at us"
Scientific: "Lighting is just a electrical discharge that happens because of this..."
Religious: "Oh, well god made all that happen"

Religious: "Floods happen when god is pissed at us"
Scientific: "Actually, floods usually occur when there is a large earthquake under the ocean"
Religious: "Oh, well god made earthquakes"
Scientific: "Actually, earthquakes occur because of the tectonic plates of the earth are moving"
Religious: "Oh... well god made the earth, and he did it in six days"
Scientific: "Actually, we have evidence that the earth wasnt built in 6 days, and that it may have been created by what we call the 'Big Bang'"
Religious: "Oh... well god started the big bang"


When the **** is it ever going to end?

well you just struck down means nothing to me because thats just not what i believe in, i aint going into the details because i already have on previous threads and just getting boring.

STOP MAKING THESE TOPICS!

 

[Polaris]

Big Bang > God
Stephen Hawking > Jesus

 

[Geogaddi]

well you just struck down means nothing to me because thats just not what i believe in, i aint going into the details because i already have on previous threads and just getting boring.

STOP MAKING THESE TOPICS!

You know that thing that small children do when they're losing an argument?

When they cover their ears and go "NAHANAHANAHN I CAN'T HEAR YOU I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG NHAHNHAHNHA!"

That's what I'm getting here.

 

[Krynn72]

You know that thing that small children do when they're losing an argument?

When they cover their ears and go "NAHANAHANAHN I CAN'T HEAR YOU I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG NHAHNHAHNHA!"

That's what I'm getting here.

Same. It seems like we might be finally getting through to people, since now instead of refuting they are begging us to stop proving them wrong.

 

[The Brick]

I'm glad this poll shows that most of the internet is much smarter than the average American.

 

[Krynn72]

Most americans dont believe in shit ive noticed. They just say they are religious so that their parents dont get pissed. My roomate and a couple friends are like that. I have a feeling that there are more atheists and agnostic than any polls have shown.

 

[<RJMC>]

what I find most funny about all this is how some people treath atheism like a religion

 

[Escaep]

The Big Bang had to come from somewhere. But dont forget, God could have created the Earth in 6 days. I mean, he is God. GOD PEOPLE, GOD. He probably could create the earth like we create maps for HL2. The Big Bang had to start from something. This interests me though. Because the Big Bang started because

If supersymmetry is correct, then at this time the four fundamental forces ? electromagnetism, weak nuclear force, strong nuclear force and gravity ? all have the same strength, so they are possibly unified into one fundamental force.

Now these elements had to come from somewhere. Think about it.

 

[Krynn72]

The Big Bang had to come from somewhere. But dont forget, God could have created the Earth in 6 days. I mean, he is God. GOD PEOPLE, GOD. He probably could create the earth like we create maps for HL2. The Big Bang had to start from something. This interests me though. Because the Big Bang started because Now these elements had to come from somewhere. Think about it.

I have thought about it... and the idea that some magical dude said "hey im gunna make some shit" is still ****ing rediculous. What will you say when scientists find out the truth about where those elements came from? You will probably say "oh yeah, god made it that way." Its the same thing i was talking about before. Back before this mega expansion of knowledge from science people probably said "That lightning set our crop fields on fire. The lighting had to come from somewhere. Think about it." And people would be like "oh yeah... it makes sense! God did it!" without further thought. Thankfully we have emerged from this cattle sacrificing society and can now think more clearly and rationally. Unfortunately we still have a long ways to go before we are truly rid of idiotic ideas like this.

Its just a never ending cycle of avoidance of the truth. Like I said before, just because today's science cant explain it yet, doesnt mean some supernatural being made it. That kind of reasoning just ****ing blows my mind.


Also, i wonder what engine god used to create the map of the universe? DO WANT.

 

[CptStern]

The Big Bang had to come from somewhere. But dont forget, God could have created the Earth in 6 days. I mean, he is God. GOD PEOPLE, GOD. He probably could create the earth like we create maps for HL2. The Big Bang had to start from something. This interests me though. Because the Big Bang started because Now these elements had to come from somewhere. Think about it.

utter nonsense ..what is the length of a day if there is no sun, or earth for that matter? why 6 days? why not instantly; he's god after all ..did god really need to rest because he was tired? ..how can god get tired? too much heavy lifting? if you truely believe any of these fanciful children's stories on creation over measureable and observable phenomenon then this debate is useless as I'd have an easier time convincing a river to run uphill

 

[Geogaddi]

utter nonsense ..what is the length of a day if there is no sun, or earth for that matter? why 6 days? why not instantly; he's god after all ..did god really need to rest because he was tired? ..how can god get tired? too much heavy lifting? if you truely believe any of these fanciful children's stories on creation over measureable and observable phenomenon then this debate is useless as I'd have an easier time convincing a river to run uphill

Maybe, but GOD could make a river run uphill, I mean, he's GOD after all!

Think about it.

 

[Kula Meenur]

Most americans dont believe in shit ive noticed. They just say they are religious so that their parents dont get pissed. My roomate and a couple friends are like that. I have a feeling that there are more atheists and agnostic than any polls have shown.

Welcome to what is left of my family. I love post war serbia.

 

[Cole]

The Big Bang had to come from somewhere. But dont forget, God could have created the Earth in 6 days. I mean, he is God. GOD PEOPLE, GOD. He probably could create the earth like we create maps for HL2. The Big Bang had to start from something. This interests me though. Because the Big Bang started because Now these elements had to come from somewhere. Think about it.

Well then where did "God" come from?
Now if you say "He was always here", why couldn't you say "The Universe was always here".

Think about it.

 

[CptStern]

Maybe, but GOD could make a river run uphill, I mean, he's GOD after all!

Think about it.

could god make a rock so heavy even god couldnt lift it? ...I mean he's god after all he can do anything


Think about it.