The Big Bang or God?

The Big Bang or God?

  • The Big Bang

    Votes: 133 84.2%

  • God

    Votes: 25 15.8%
  • Total voters
    158
CptStern said:
lol definately not a higher power unless you're an inanimate rock or something equally stupid
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Wow your such an ass! A rock is a lot smarter than george bush could ever be! I mean a rock wouldn't have gotton us into Iraq and amplified how much the world hated us. A rock is a higher power compared to george bush.
 
Shift can never participate in any discussion or debate again on HL2.net since we're all just random people on an internet forum, where demonstrating 'inteligence' [sic] is pathetic and logic is a restriction of the mind.
 
Wow, I'm surprised about the results of the poll. Over 87% think Big Bang???
 
a better discussion is what was before the big bang
 
From a scientific point of view..the big bang..to a religious point of view, God. You can't say which is right because they are totally different view points which have nothing in common with each other:

You should not mix RELIGION and SCIENCE TOGETHER .It doesn't make sense.


STOP DOING IT!!!
 
Darkside55 said:
Entirely untrue. If you insult people's religions there's always the chance they'll wise up to their own stupidity, rather than having them go on thinking their beliefs have merit. This is one of those rare cases where ridicule helps the situation.
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You obviously have no idea how religion is supposed to work. It's not about proving anything, it's about belief. You don't need evidence for a BELIEF! I highly doubt anyone would try and compare the big bang to the 6 day earth creating thing. Why would you do that?? Unless your on speed for a week, or you've been hanging around religious extremists for a month. If you're smart, you'll leave religion and science out of the same discussion, because they are completely different subjects which are not meant to be compared to each other.

Science: A way of learning about why things are in the universe. Science uses hypothesis and theories along with evidence and proof to understand our reason for existence plus many other things.

Religion: A set of beliefs designed to guide you in some way or another. Religion gives people a direction in life and helps them cope with extremely hard times in life.


Why would you even try to compare a scientific topic with a religious topic?
 
Why couldn't god have created the big bang?

Maybe he wanted some level of randomness to it all?
 
Kouler said:
The Big Bang theory is full of shit.
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Wow, yoru certainly clever ousmarting hundreds of scientists how have studied it al their lives and have degrees and stuff. It was actually a giant dick called God who farted.
 
xcellerate said:
Why couldn't god have created the big bang?

Maybe he wanted some level of randomness to it all?
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So then do you think the whole big bang thing happened in 6 days? If not then your bible lies to you, and why would you believe in anything written in a book that lies about such a huge issue.

And saying science and religion arnt related is the ****ing stupidest thing ive heard in this thread (besides the god thing). Science, in many many ways, has disproved religion. Therefore THEYRE ****ING RELATED.
 
Yup. Science and religion are most definitely related. They both try to explain the universe, but only one actually succeeds in any capacity.
 
Atomic_Piggy said:
Wow, yoru certainly clever ousmarting hundreds of scientists how have studied it al their lives and have degrees and stuff. It was actually a giant dick called God who farted.
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You can't prove that something came out of nothing. That defies all laws of physics. Matter doesn't just come out of nowhere.
 
It only defies your layman understanding of "all laws of physics". There's all sorts of obscure forces, effects, observations, theories (read: not hypotheses) and so forth that dictate the physics of objects on galactic and sub-atomic scales, most of which are far beyond any common person's mathematical ability to properly comprehend.
 
Kouler said:
You can't prove that something came out of nothing. That defies all laws of physics. Matter doesn't just come out of nowhere.
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Unless it existed for all eternity (infinity), which is pretty much impossible for the human mind to comprehend, hence relying on a thing called god.
 
DEATHMASTER said:
Unless it existed for all eternity (infinity), which is pretty much impossible for the human mind to comprehend, hence relying on a thing called god.
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That still makes no sense. Why should there be matter here in the first place? The same goes for God. Why the hell should there be a God here in the first place?
 
Doesn't the existance of sentinent life defy physics as it is?
 
Religion is basically what science hasnt figured out. After every single discovery, religion somehow find a way to justify itself.

Also, with the amount of contradictions in the bible, since when is it ok to be selectively religious? People will say they dont believe in this but they believe in that. Thats why it annoys me when people say they aren't religious but they believe in god.
 
Moist von Lipwig said:
I mean, you can't treat religion as some sort of Celestial Buffet. You can't say "Oh, I'll have some of the eternal heaven and lots of the miracles, but none of the prohibition of images, they give me gas", right?
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I've probably misquoted it, but that's the gist of it.
 
Krynn72 said:
So do you believe that anything that can't be explained or seen yet has to the doing of god?

I believe we are in a time of transition, where science is coming into its own and we are getting more and more proof that there is no supernatural being guiding our lives and controlling things. I find it endlessly infuriating that religious people keep adapting their beliefs instead of admitting there is no god when scientific evidence is laid before them to prove their beliefs wrong.

Religious: "Lightning is what god throws when hes angry at us"
Scientific: "Lighting is just a electrical discharge that happens because of this..."
Religious: "Oh, well god made all that happen"

Religious: "Floods happen when god is pissed at us"
Scientific: "Actually, floods usually occur when there is a large earthquake under the ocean"
Religious: "Oh, well god made earthquakes"
Scientific: "Actually, earthquakes occur because of the tectonic plates of the earth are moving"
Religious: "Oh... well god made the earth, and he did it in six days"
Scientific: "Actually, we have evidence that the earth wasnt built in 6 days, and that it may have been created by what we call the 'Big Bang'"
Religious: "Oh... well god started the big bang"


When the **** is it ever going to end?
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This stereotype sucks the big one. Seriously.

I don't believe that the Big Bang came out of nowhere by itself. It had to start somewhere, and I know it wasnt there eternally because thats just a load of shit, where did it all come from?

It is quite possible that a higher power (God) initiated the Big Bang. There is also a possibility that the "6-days theory" was somewhat exagerrated, and the original writers of the Bible didn't write about the life forms that existed before us. For all we know, 6 days could have been an exageration, equivelant to billions of years.

However, if one assumes that God does exist, why could it not be possible that he killed off the dinosaurs to make room for humans. After all, the evolution theory is even more full of shit than Big Bang without a creator.

The Earth... quite possibly God's experiment.

It is stated in the Bible, that when Lucifer turned on God to take over, there was a great battle in Heaven, and eventually the devil and his followers were cast down to the Earth. The way I see it, shortly, the human corruption occured, so the dinosaurs were killed off, because they would break the balance of the Earth and the new dominant race (humans) which were cast down.

For all we know, the Big Bang could be the process that God initiated to create the universe. That is the only way it would work. Big Bang without creationism is full of shit.

Lightning discharges etc are not the wrath of God or anything. They do occur as science describes, God only manipulates them to strike someone, most likely for reason, whether it be for something theyve done or something that they would have done.

And one last answer to "why is there evil?". I remember reading somewhere, that Albert Einstein stated that that question is comparable to "what is darkness?". Darkness is just the absence of light. Similarly, evil could just be absence of faith.

Either way, there are multiple factors that you have to take into consideration when talking about this topic. Clearly most atheists here have not done extensive research on the religious side of things, especially the ones that cannot be explained by science (like that house where the walls dripped oil with healing characteristics.)

In conclusion... Big Bang would only work with creationism.

By itself, since matter will never be created or destroyed, Big Bang without creationism is a load of shit.

(Based all of this without bias, and just my basic logic at almost midnight)
 
Kouler said:
This stereotype sucks the big one. Seriously.

I don't believe that the Big Bang came out of nowhere by itself. It had to start somewhere, and I know it wasnt there eternally because thats just a load of shit, where did it all come from?

It is quite possible that a higher power (God) initiated the Big Bang. There is also a possibility that the "6-days theory" was somewhat exagerrated, and the original writers of the Bible didn't write about the life forms that existed before us. For all we know, 6 days could have been an exageration, equivelant to billions of years.

However, if one assumes that God does exist, why could it not be possible that he killed off the dinosaurs to make room for humans. After all, the evolution theory is even more full of shit than Big Bang without a creator.

The Earth... quite possibly God's experiment.

It is stated in the Bible, that when Lucifer turned on God to take over, there was a great battle in Heaven, and eventually the devil and his followers were cast down to the Earth. The way I see it, shortly, the human corruption occured, so the dinosaurs were killed off, because they would break the balance of the Earth and the new dominant race (humans) which were cast down.

For all we know, the Big Bang could be the process that God initiated to create the universe. That is the only way it would work. Big Bang without creationism is full of shit.

Lightning discharges etc are not the wrath of God or anything. They do occur as science describes, God only manipulates them to strike someone, most likely for reason, whether it be for something theyve done or something that they would have done.

And one last answer to "why is there evil?". I remember reading somewhere, that Albert Einstein stated that that question is comparable to "what is darkness?". Darkness is just the absence of light. Similarly, evil could just be absence of faith.

Either way, there are multiple factors that you have to take into consideration when talking about this topic. Clearly most atheists here have not done extensive research on the religious side of things, especially the ones that cannot be explained by science (like that house where the walls dripped oil with healing characteristics.)

In conclusion... Big Bang would only work with creationism.

By itself, since matter will never be created or destroyed, Big Bang without creationism is a load of shit.

(Based all of this without bias, and just my basic logic at almost midnight)
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it really does boggle the mind how someone can reject an entire area of scientific study on one single point: that something cant come from nothing ...yet you happily accept the exact same principle in a religious context: "god has always been there" ..but you even take it further by supporting what amounts to little more than magic and superstition ..I dont mean to redicule but some of your ideas are childish/irrational or just plain insane



In conclusion... Big Bang would only work with creationism.
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"pigs can fly" ...that has about as much weight your statement. Without hard evidence of some guiding hand your statement is as empty and nonsensical as "pigs can fly". Evidence or accept that your opinion is just that: your opinion


God only manipulates them to strike someone, most likely for reason, whether it be for something theyve done or something that they would have done.
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this is like a mental kick to the head of rationality ..for the love of god man do you hear yourself? either god is a complete idiot or a evil bastard because not once have I ever heard of a mass muderer/pedophile/baby eater being struck by lightening ...seriously you hurt my brain with your leaps of faith and fanciful ideas of what amounts to little more than magic and superstition ..wake up man it's the ****ing 21st century ..where do you people come from anyways?
 
I have no trouble believing in the Big Bang, and no trouble denying the existance of any form of higher power.

That is, until I get past the Big Bang. What came before it? Where did it all start?

Isn't there two things science has taught it; everything has a beginning and everything has an end.

The thought of something just "being there for infinite" boggles my mind, but I don't flat out reject it either, because I just don't know. The thought of something having no real definite beginning, such as the creation of matter, is just a painful thought to comprehend.
 
Baal said:
I have no trouble believing in the Big Bang, and no trouble denying the existance of any form of higher power.

That is, until I get past the Big Bang. What came before it? Where did it all start?

Isn't there two things science has taught it; everything has a beginning and everything has an end.

The thought of something just "being there for infinite" boggles my mind, but I don't flat out reject it either, because I just don't know. The thought of something having no real definite beginning, such as the creation of matter, is just a painful thought to comprehend.
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It does indeed boggle the mind, however infinity is the only possibility as i have said before, the multiverse did not ever start, our universe did as the big bang, just like a chemical reaction starts.
The human brain has never had to experience infinity and has trouble comprehending such an idea, as well as nothingness this is why humans invent such ideas as religion and god just as early man would have not understood lightning and thought it was the god punishing him.
 
Baal said:
I have no trouble believing in the Big Bang, and no trouble denying the existance of any form of higher power.

That is, until I get past the Big Bang. What came before it? Where did it all start?

Isn't there two things science has taught it; everything has a beginning and everything has an end.

The thought of something just "being there for infinite" boggles my mind, but I don't flat out reject it either, because I just don't know. The thought of something having no real definite beginning, such as the creation of matter, is just a painful thought to comprehend.
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The exact same thing can be said about God.
 
Kouler, that post was... Do you know what you're talking about?
 
Baal said:
The thought of something just "being there for infinite" boggles my mind, but I don't flat out reject it either, because I just don't know. The thought of something having no real definite beginning, such as the creation of matter, is just a painful thought to comprehend.
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Yeah it's awesome innit, unable to KNOW how matter came into existance, you're really at second 0 of the timeline of everything but you want to look further :D
 
Icarusintel said:
The exact same thing can be said about God.
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Precisely, thats where this argument completely stalemates. Science does indeed educate the fact of everything having a beginning and an end, and no scientist on this earth can confidently say how the Big Bang and everything before it came into existance, the only theory the atheists here can come up with is that everything simply always existed, just as the religious folk say, God always existed.

Both are insane ideas imo, simply because, as people have said, the idea of a higher power or the 'multiverse' being infinite is simply to big a thought for the human mind to make sense out of. It as this point, that both sides of the argument are controversial as each other whether you like or not.

Its simply a waste of time trying to figure out how the universe started because we will never know for sure and talk about living in the past lol. When the heat between religious and atheists comes into this topic, its stupid, because the arguement goes around in circles and always ends up with no conclusion whatsoever. I only have an opinion on how the universe started but thats an opinion that is not said in any amount of confidence just as anyone elses opinion on this topic (and if you feel it is then you need to stop daydreaming), because we just dont know, just as we dont know what happens after death, we only have our opinions. I will always have my opinion in the soul of a human being existing, and at least something happening after death.
 
I dont agree ..it's not like the scientific community came to some consensus out of the thin air as is the case with religious ideology. there was definately something, they just cant formulate what "it" is ..which is understandable because we cant as of yet step outside of our universe and look within

here read this
 
Kouler said:
This stereotype sucks the big one. Seriously.
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So does your mum.
I don't believe that the Big Bang came out of nowhere by itself. It had to start somewhere, and I know it wasnt there eternally because thats just a load of shit, where did it all come from?
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There's an excellent article on that in this months New Scientist.
It is quite possible that a higher power (God) initiated the Big Bang. There is also a possibility that the "6-days theory" was somewhat exagerrated, and the original writers of the Bible didn't write about the life forms that existed before us. For all we know, 6 days could have been an exageration, equivelant to billions of years.
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No it is not. It's extremely improbable.

However, if one assumes that God does exist, why could it not be possible that he killed off the dinosaurs to make room for humans. After all, the evolution theory is even more full of shit than Big Bang without a creator.

The Earth... quite possibly God's experiment.

It is stated in the Bible, that when Lucifer turned on God to take over, there was a great battle in Heaven, and eventually the devil and his followers were cast down to the Earth. The way I see it, shortly, the human corruption occured, so the dinosaurs were killed off, because they would break the balance of the Earth and the new dominant race (humans) which were cast down.

For all we know, the Big Bang could be the process that God initiated to create the universe. That is the only way it would work. Big Bang without creationism is full of shit.

Lightning discharges etc are not the wrath of God or anything. They do occur as science describes, God only manipulates them to strike someone, most likely for reason, whether it be for something theyve done or something that they would have done.

And one last answer to "why is there evil?". I remember reading somewhere, that Albert Einstein stated that that question is comparable to "what is darkness?". Darkness is just the absence of light. Similarly, evil could just be absence of faith.

Either way, there are multiple factors that you have to take into consideration when talking about this topic. Clearly most atheists here have not done extensive research on the religious side of things, especially the ones that cannot be explained by science (like that house where the walls dripped oil with healing characteristics.)

In conclusion... Big Bang would only work with creationism.

By itself, since matter will never be created or destroyed, Big Bang without creationism is a load of shit.

(Based all of this without bias, and just my basic logic at almost midnight)
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All based on a retarded assumption.
 
Kouler said:
However, if one assumes that God does exist, why could it not be possible that he killed off the dinosaurs to make room for humans. After all, the evolution theory is even more full of shit than Big Bang without a creator.
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I can't believe God did such a sloppy job of killing off the dinosaurs to make room for us humans; were still digging up fossils to this day! I can just see him slapping his head(Doh!). I find it even more baffling and to a certain extent bewildering that he spun the wheel of fortune in deciding what he'd take them out with...hell, he couldn't just delete them - he took a big step back and launched an asteroid at Earth! Boom! Sloppy. Just sloppy.

Kouler....your post was filled with such lol that I can't see how it's quite possible to take what you're saying seriously.
 
As you alluded to Shift, the concept of "always existing" plays on both sides of the table.

If an athiest says "things have always existed," and a relgious believer claims "no it didn't, God created it," well where did God come from? And then the God who created him, and the God who created him/her, etc.

Mind boggling
 
the universe has not always existed (sentence structure ftw) ..it's finite: 14 billion years or so
 
yes and a relgious person will say

'ok so how did this universe get created'
reply with
'the big band'
reply with
'ok so how big bang start'

and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on and....
 
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