The Ten Commandments

[Locust]

Religion is the only thing that promises eternity? Speak for yourself. It is my belief that all that remains of us after death is the legacy we leave behind. Religion sure isn't going to help me too much in that regard. When I'm laying on my death bed I want to be able to look back and see that I've done something to make the lives of my fellow men better, richer, more enjoyable. That's an accomplishment. Worshiping some invisible man and hoping for some sort of life after death because you're to afraid to acknowledge the possibility that there is nothing waiting for us but a wooden box and six feet of mud isn't an accomplishment. It's a waste of time that could be spent in other much more valuable ways.

Are you educated in religion? It is a legacy of saving souls. It is good to be remembered, but it is better to be remembered by good and compassionant deeds. Those I remember most are those who have broken free of opression and evil and risen above adversity. This is the basis of christianity. So if you want to leave a legacy, what better way to do it than to do the good deeds that are called from you by Jesus?

 

[Locust]

I plan on becoming a Fire Medic, risk my lives to save others, and give hope to those in great need. I want to help heal the sick, and comfort the dying. I am going to school full time to accomplish this goal.

I looked up that book on Amazon.Com. It doesn't look like a bad read, really,. something that I may agree with as much as I may not approve of paticular wordings.

That is a good thing and I respect it. It is going to be a hard job that will require didication and compassion. It is a fruitful job that will do alot of good for alot of people.

As for the book it is a good read. it gives a great insight into the human psyche and how we relate to one another. I have learned alot from it.

 

[Ikerous]

::Strong believer in Jesus Christ::
Dude abc.. you freak me out.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

So if you want to leave a legacy, what better way to do it than to do the good deeds that are called from you by Jesus?

I'd say it'd be better not to spend your life being bossed around by a guy much less tangible than Pete's Dragon.

Are your accomplishments so great if they were just part of some other guy's pre-planned schedule?

 

[Lil' Timmy]

I'd say it'd be better not to spend your life being bossed around by a guy much less tangible than Pete's Dragon.

enough with the masterbation innuendo ok mecha? cripes!

 

[Raziaar]

Isn't it past your bedtime? I dont hate Christians, and infact already professed my respect for Jesus. I just dont believe in it the bible or Christianity. Can you tell the difference?

Whenever I'm tired, its my bedtime. Lately it ranges from 7-9AM in the morning, cause i'm on a wonky schedule.

And I only said that to get a rise out of you, because you do indeed hate christians. Your posts regarding them in this thread have basically been attempts to diminish them as worthless slaves.

 

[Locust]

I'd say it'd be better not to spend your life being bossed around by a guy much less tangible than Pete's Dragon.

Are your accomplishments so great if they were just part of some other guy's pre-planned schedule?

My accomplishments are not great at all. Im 18 and on my way out into the world. Im just glad that i have something to strive for other than the boring material crap of this world.

 

[Phisionary]

Are you educated in religion? It is a legacy of saving souls.[...]

So, if your legacy you take to the afterlife is saving souls, then what happens if they all get saved? Whoever didn't get a chance to save souls would get jipped. Sounds like a chain letter to me.
:angel:

 

[Lil' Timmy]

stop bogarting all the souls!

 

[CptStern]

this is worse than being forced to go to church

this thread makes baby jesus cry ;(

 

[Phisionary]

My accomplishments are not great at all. Im 18 and on my way out into the world. Im just glad that i have something to strive for other than the boring material crap of this world.

ther are good things in the world that aren't boring material crap that also aren't religeon...

 

[Locust]

It's been fun fellas, but it is time for beddy bed bye. So check ya later

 

[qckbeam]

Are you educated in religion? It is a legacy of saving souls. It is good to be remembered, but it is better to be remembered by good and compassionant deeds. Those I remember most are those who have broken free of opression and evil and risen above adversity. This is the basis of christianity. So if you want to leave a legacy, what better way to do it than to do the good deeds that are called from you by Jesus?

I'm very educated in religion. I went through a rigorous Catholic education, and I do mean rigorous. I don't know what comes after death, and I don't know if we have souls. Logically it doesn't make any sense, at least not with our current understanding of things. I refuse to believe things with no evidence of any merit to prove them. I don't see any proof that points to the existence of a soul, I don't see any proof pointing to the existence of an after-life. So I think it is a waste of time to "save the souls" of people when I 1) Don't really believe in the soul and 2) don't believe there is anything we need saving from. I plan to leave a legacy of good deeds behind, but I won't do it in the name of Jesus or God, and I won't do it because I think the sacrifices of this life will lead to rewards in the next. I rejected Catholicism after having become disgusted with it during my many years of Catholic education. I reject the very concept of religion after seeing how terribly it has touched our world.

 

[Phisionary]

this thread makes baby jesus cry ;(

every time you make baby jesus cry, God kills a masturbating kitten. :x

oh, hell (pun not intended). I'm just spamming now I guess.

 

[Locust]

I'm very educated in religion. I went through a rigorous Catholic education, and I do mean rigorous. I don't know what comes after death, and I don't know if we have souls. Logically it doesn't make any sense, at least not with our current understanding of things. I refuse to believe things with no evidence of any merit to prove them. I don't see any proof that points to the existence of a soul, I don't see any proof pointing to the existence of an after-life. So I think it is a waste of time to "save the souls" of people when I 1) Don't really believe in the soul and 2) don't believe there is anything we need saving from. I plan to leave a legacy of good deeds behind, but I won't do it in the name of Jesus or God, and I won't do it because I think the sacrifices of this life will lead to rewards in the next. I rejected Catholicism after having become disgusted with it during my many years of Catholic education. I reject the very concept of religion after seeing how terribly it has touched our world.

What were you disgusted by?

 

[f|uke]

And I only said that to get a rise out of you, because you do indeed hate christians. Your posts regarding them in this thread have basically been attempts to diminish them as worthless slaves.

I dont hate Christians as people. I really dont. However, when a post like this appears, which challenges me, I challenge back with my perspective on the truth of reality. Really I feel this way about all religions,. they're fantasys created thousands of years ago to control the masses through fear. To me (and pretty much anyone who doesnt believe), thats just fact. In todays times, it is still used as a tool to control the masses by people like Bush, who splits the country on religions issues (gay marrage) and presents himself as an instrument of God. But that doesn't mean you are nessisarily controlled. You may very well think for yourself.. and if you do, kudos to you. In fact, anyone who follows Jesus and strives for his understanding and desire for peace and harmony, is a good person (or at least is trying). I just dont think most Christians understand Jesus's message.

But even if you dont, I dont hate you, I really dont. I think its a shame, but I have no anger for anyone but those who are in control.

 

[Locust]

If you don't believe in religion read a book called Hostage To The Devil by Malachi Martin. If you aren't convinced of the supernatural by that book, I don't know what will convince you. It is a book on posession, 10 times more detailed than the Exorcist. It is also quite the gripper.

 

[Phisionary]

Edit: ditto what f|uke said

 

[Locust]

I dont hate Christians as people. I really dont. However, when a post like this appears, which challenges me, I challenge back with my perspective on the truth of reality. Really I feel this way about all religions,. they're fantasys created thousands of years ago to control the masses through fear. To me (and pretty much anyone who doesnt believe), thats just fact. In todays times, it is still used as a tool to control the masses by people like Bush, who splits the country on religions issues (gay marrage) and presents himself as an instrument of God. But that doesn't mean you are nessisarily controlled. You may very well think for yourself.. and if you do, kudos to you.

But even if you dont, I dont hate you, I really dont. I think its a shame, but I have no anger for anyone but those who are in control.

What about all the recorded mericles of the last 2000 years that have been witnessed by thousands of people?

 

[f|uke]

What about all the recorded mericles of the last 2000 years that have been witnessed by thousands of people?

What about the thousands of people who have been abducted by UFOs?

 

[Phisionary]

What about all the recorded mericles of the last 2000 years that have been witnessed by thousands of people?

Not addressed to me, but I've never heard one I couldn't attribute to drugs, mental illness, lying, and very convincing storytelling.

 

[Locust]

there isn't mass documentation of those cases. Those are isolated to one person, who can easily create a convincing story where as with mericles that are witnessed by thousands of people and there is more than one involved.

 

[Locust]

Not addressed to me, but I've never heard one I couldn't attribute to drugs, mental illness, lying, and very convincing storytelling.

Do a google search.

 

[Ikerous]

You keep spelling "Miracles" wrong...

 

[qckbeam]

What were you disgusted by?

The hypocrisy of the catholic church at first. I always found catholicism to be hatred concealed behind a thin veil of love. I had some first hand experience with that hatred during my years at school, while under the supposedly divine guidance of the catholic church. It was a good thing in a way. Breaking free from religion was the first step to becoming a truly free man.

 

[Phisionary]

Do a google search.

for what? bleeding statues, corn chips shaped like The Virgin Mary? near death experiances? the human mind is capable of coming up with a lot of bizzare things, mass hallucination being one of them. I've never found them to be compelling.

And sorry, I'm Athiest until proven wrong, not the other way around

 

[f|uke]

there isn't mass documentation of those cases. Those are isolated to one person, who can easily create a convincing story where as with mericles that are witnessed by thousands of people and there is more than one involved.

I am sure every one can be explained away, as Phisionary states. How about crop circles? They have been documented, and turned out to be elaborate hoaxes. There are very specific rules to physics. Everything adheres to this order. If there is a God, he can not, and does not, interfere with this, for it is the very essense of his creation. These unbreakable rules are what make everything possible. If God could just do whatever he wanted, then why doesn't he do whatever, and what would be the point of anything? Reality is completely out of his hands, as that is the only way that reality would mean anything to God, instead of just being a figment of his imagination.

 

[Locust]

The hypocrisy of the catholic church at first. I always found catholicism to be hatred concealed behind a thin veil of love. I had some first hand experience with that hatred during my years at school, while under the supposedly divine guidance of the catholic church. It was a good thing in a way. Breaking free from religion was the first step to becoming a truly free man.

Hipocracy? How are they hipocritical. Ive heard of "Catholic" schools that use capital punishment instead of following the bible, but I assure you these institutions in no way represent the teachings of the catholic church.

 

[Locust]

I am sure every one can be explained away, as Phisionary states. How about crop circles? They have been documented, and turned out to be elaborate hoaxes. There are very specific rules to physics. Everything adheres to this order. If there is a God, he can not, and does not, interfere with this, for it is the very essense of his creation. These unbreakable rules are what make everything possible. If God could just do whatever he wanted, then why doesn't he do whatever, and what would be the point of anything? Reality is completely out of his hands, as that is the only way that reality would mean anything to God, instead of just being a figment of his imagination.

I nor you have never seen any documentation that proves miracles to be false. I realize that it is possible that they could be explained away, but Ive seen none so far.

 

[Locust]

for what? bleeding statues, corn chips shaped like The Virgin Mary? near death experiances? the human mind is capable of coming up with a lot of bizzare things, mass hallucination being one of them. I've never found them to be compelling.

And sorry, I'm Athiest until proven wrong, not the other way around

What about when someone just wakes up and doesn't have the cancer that has been plaguing them for longer than they can remember. Just do a search on "Documented miracles" or just miracles in general. I might do the same.

 

[Ikerous]

I nor you have never seen any documentation that proves miracles to be false. I realize that it is possible that they could be explained away, but Ive seen none so far.

I hope i'm not the only person
That is utterly amazed by
This statement...

 

[Neutrino]

I nor you have never seen any documentation that proves miracles to be false. I realize that it is possible that they could be explained away, but Ive seen none so far.

Do a google search.

 

[Raziaar]

The hypocrisy of the catholic church at first. I always found catholicism to be hatred concealed behind a thin veil of love. I had some first hand experience with that hatred during my years at school, while under the supposedly divine guidance of the catholic church. It was a good thing in a way. Breaking free from religion was the first step to becoming a truly free man.

Well I for one am against the way they decide to teach things in the catholic church. Not my religion, but they sure are violent in the ways they try to get people to practice the religion.

In my opinion, the Christian faith at least in the modern age is far less controlling than that of the catholic church. It seems that you are born into your religion if you are Catholic, and you go to special schools with(i've heard all sorts of horror stories) the possibility of very abusive teachers etc. With the Christian faith, at least with mine, noone is controlling me to believe in this stuff. I have the bible, and I base my beliefs off of that, and how I percieve it, not how others tell me to percieve it in schools etc. I wasn't born into my faith either, my parents let me choose, albeit with gentle nudging towards that which they deem most appropiate for me.

<shrug> Anyways, i've had enough political and religious discussions on these forums. Not saying I wont pop in from time to time, but i'll try to keep my head out of them except to post one or two irrellevant posts here and there.

 

[f|uke]

Do a google search.

Sorry, Ab. I am sure many have been proven false. Sure some may have fallen through the cracks, but sometimes theres just no way.. and in those cases, it would be just as impossible to prove it true.

 

[Phisionary]

I nor you have never seen any documentation that proves miracles to be false. I realize that it is possible that they could be explained away, but Ive seen none so far.

Ah see, we're not so different. We're both convinced we're unequivically right, and neither of us is really interested or willing to seek out the information that would prove ourselves wrong. Oh well.

 

[Locust]

Do a google search.

Name one miracle of the New Testament that has been disproven.

 

[Locust]

Ah see, we're not so different. We're both convinced we're unequivically right, and neither of us is really interested or willing to seek out the information that would prove ourselves wrong. Oh well.

I agree.

 

[Ikerous]

Name one thing from LOTR that has been disproven.

 

[Locust]

Name one thing from LOTR that has been disproven.

Oliphants have only one tusk nub.(fiction)

 

[Phisionary]

Just do a search on "Documented miracles" or just miracles in general. I might do the same.

..And I'll find a site run by 'believers' who have had enough tenuous, circumstatial 'evidence' and first hand 'witnesses' (btw, there's a reason prosecutors don't like to rely on "eye witness"es) to make them believe, uhhh. 'even more'. Meanwhile, hundreds of 'miracles' have been proven wrong. They just don't get mentioned. We figured out what they really are. say, gravity maybe

As for the cancer patient... I'm not saying the world (in this case, cellular biology) doesn't work in mysterious ways, I'm saying it's not God pulling the strings...