This has got to stop

[XenoSpirit]

blizzard games are based on hacking and evrey last one SUCKS!!! starcraft blows even thow the game play is high its still filled with hax!!! d2 is just hacked items meph bots cows trade and duals... i got 2 copys and i plan to trade the keys off at NTSG(neo tiberian sniper gang) for cheats and keys to outher games... war3? its so pathetic the unit models suck... the graphics blow... its totally unballanced!! the only thing half decent in war3 is the story... and the cinimatics... ne ways blizzard / thare games blow... but world o warcraft douse look interesting... ne ways back on topic

 

[mrchimp]

blizzard games are based on hacking and evrey last one SUCKS!!! starcraft blows even thow the game play is high its still filled with hax!!! d2 is just hacked items meph bots cows trade and duals... i got 2 copys and i plan to trade the keys off at NTSG(neo tiberian sniper gang) for cheats and keys to outher games... war3? its so pathetic the unit models suck... the graphics blow... its totally unballanced!! the only thing half decent in war3 is the story... and the cinimatics... ne ways blizzard / thare games blow... but world o warcraft douse look interesting... ne ways back on topic

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA








this threads just getting silly now

 

[PainLord]

/me summons Orc horde from underneath house

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

D is the only real community focused developer. They host conventions every year for their fans to come out and play side by side with them, and they converse with their fans and get imput on their next projects. They also let the fans know what they are working on and how it is coming along,

Really? So how is Doom 3 coming along then? Got any development updates? What about an idea of when it's going to be released. Hey, tell me something about the mod tools. Or some of the engine capablities beyond realtime lighting and bump mapping. Oooh - tell me about the storyline! No? You can't?

Well, damn.

 

[Shuzer]

blizzard games are based on hacking and evrey last one SUCKS!!! starcraft blows even thow the game play is high its still filled with hax!!! d2 is just hacked items meph bots cows trade and duals... i got 2 copys and i plan to trade the keys off at NTSG(neo tiberian sniper gang) for cheats and keys to outher games... war3? its so pathetic the unit models suck... the graphics blow... its totally unballanced!! the only thing half decent in war3 is the story... and the cinimatics... ne ways blizzard / thare games blow... but world o warcraft douse look interesting... ne ways back on topic

LOL.....

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Random......




Anyway, I just don't understand how anyone can consider Valve to be anti community. It really really does baffle me.





Bah, I know I said I wouldn't post again a couple of posts ago..... but I felt I had to. I hate people holding such unfounded stupid opinions.......

 

[DarkStar]

Is it still not sinking in that this quote is from last FALL? We already had this exact same brouhaha over this exact same quote once before! How many times do we have to get all worked up over the exact same story recycled months later by a clueless website?

I did not know this. This is reassuring.

 

[Reven]

Random......




Anyway, I just don't understand how anyone can consider Valve to be anti community. It really really does baffle me.





Bah, I know I said I wouldn't post again a couple of posts ago..... but I felt I had to. I hate people holding such unfounded stupid opinions.......

i agree...it pisses me off :sniper:

 

[figge]

Really? So how is Doom 3 coming along then? Got any development updates? What about an idea of when it's going to be released. Hey, tell me something about the mod tools. Or some of the engine capablities beyond realtime lighting and bump mapping. Oooh - tell me about the storyline! No? You can't?

Well, damn.

:naughty:


I love the smell of "pwnage" in the night...

 

[Algor]

Pseudonym

Shut up. Please.
Until you make a better game, stop your whining.
Valve owes you people nothing. They can delay until 2005 and you will STILL buy it.

 

[Pseudonym_]

Valve fostered an enormous mod community around Half-Life

For their own benefit, more people playing mods = more people buying halflife.

Valve bought several mods

In order to cash in on the community.

Valve have consistenly patched Half-Life whenever it has proven necessary

That is expected of any developer, there is nothing community driven about this. This is the minimum expectations.

Valve have kept their mod tools frequently updated
Valve have fostered an entire site dedicated to modmaking for Half-Life (and it's add-ons)

To keep the mod community alive, to fatten their wallets.

Valve have volunteered lots of information to the community (the Info from Valve thread)

To keep the fans baited and hungry for their game. The info thread is a ploy to tease the community and keep them on a short leash.

Valve helped sort out the hosting for this site in a no-strings-attached deal when we had hosting issues

the sorta had to. This is a major hl2 community and without the unity this place provides many of their customers would come to their senses and forget about hl2 for a while, which increases the chances of them not giving a damn when hl2 is released and not buying their game.

Valve are anti-community? Sure......

Sure.


As I said, iD is the only community driven developer because they are the only ones who do things FOR THE SOLE BENEFIT of the community. Valve does a lot for the community, but they do it in their own interest.

 

[Kadayi]

iD is the only real community focused developer. They host conventions every year for their fans to come out and play side by side with them, and they converse with their fans and get imput on their next projects. They also let the fans know what they are working on and how it is coming along, not like valve who keeps their projects under wraps for FIVE YEARS without breathing a word to the community who is left in the dark.

iD started the mod scene with editable WADs, all for the community. With Valve it kind of happened by accident. People think that they are so community driven because the are making Source moddable, in reality it has nothing to do with the community. They learned by halflife that moddability has more to do with longevity than the quality of th eproduct, thats why they are making hl2 as moddable as they are, to fatten their bacnk accounts.

Thats why they devised this ssytem of letting modders sell their mods on steam, who do you think gets a fat cut? Yep, Valve does. Look at the once free mods with the large fan bases, counter strike and DoD. Yep, now bought out by valve and sequels sold at full price, cashing in on the community.

I havn't seen anything done by Valve that is genuinely community driven.

Surely the point of any mod is to make money from it either directly (rights purchase + sales revenue) or indirectly (getting a job) for the mod team?

Can you please refer to your insider information regarding the sales percentage that valve might make with respect to any mods they might host on steam? Perhaps you'll enlighten us with a web link ?

 

[Letters]

blizzard games are based on hacking and evrey last one SUCKS!!! starcraft blows even thow the game play is high its still filled with hax!!! d2 is just hacked items meph bots cows trade and duals... i got 2 copys and i plan to trade the keys off at NTSG(neo tiberian sniper gang) for cheats and keys to outher games... war3? its so pathetic the unit models suck... the graphics blow... its totally unballanced!! the only thing half decent in war3 is the story... and the cinimatics... ne ways blizzard / thare games blow... but world o warcraft douse look interesting... ne ways back on topic

I'm glad you got that out. Roffle.

Good progress, I say. I'd like to see you back next week, though... just to check up... don't forget your money.

 

[Reven]

For their own benefit, more people playing mods = more people buying halflife.
In order to cash in on the community.

ohh yea, i forgot they made CS and DoD retail only games, stupid me.

and you work at valve? only THEN do you know if its in there interest or not, i would not normally say this, becouse i respect most people but please, stfu

edit: i just thought of some thing funny
do you think iD is a non profit organization? that make games for our pleasure?

 

[Shuzer]

Pseudonym_, get a new argument. To say VALVe is out to make money is true, but so is iD.. VALVe making money is primarily their goal, however, in doing so, if they are community driven.. what's so bad about that? Point being, of course they WANT to make more money, but that doesn't mean they HAVE to support the community in the way they do in the process.

As for the patching statement, can you find more than 2 games that are 6 years old and STILL updated?

 

[DarkStar]

As I said, iD is the only community driven developer because they are the only ones who do things FOR THE SOLE BENEFIT of the community. Valve does a lot for the community, but they do it in their own interest.

You do realize that these are "COMPANIES" we are talking about? Every company's primary goal is to make money. End of story. You may think iD is like the Mother Theresa of computer games but they're not. Every, and I mean EVERY action or decision made by ANY company is primarily driven by finances. Sorry, iD doesn't love you any more than VALVe does.

 

[mrchimp]

Stop replying to him he's doing this deliberately.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Bah, do you really think that Halflife would be half as successfull if as it is now considering its age if valve wasn't community driven.



I know this somthing bad to say. And it goes against all my forum posting ethics. But you sir, are beggining to convince me that you are in fact an idiot.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

As I said, iD is the only community driven developer because they are the only ones who do things FOR THE SOLE BENEFIT of the community. Valve does a lot for the community, but they do it in their own interest.

Well, ok. We'll all just take your word for it shall we?

So, to recap, when Valve do things for the community, it's to line their own wallets.

When id do the same things for the community, it's becaue they're acting on purely altruistic motives. Gotcha.

What's really funny is that all your "rebuttals" to what I said Valve have done for the community pretty much equally apply to id.

and this quote really made me giggle:

To keep the fans baited and hungry for their game. The info thread is a ploy to tease the community and keep them on a short leash.

Valve didn't start that thread. We did. It's made up of information that Valve gave to individuals that wrote to them. Those individuals then kindly posted it here.

 

[Shuzer]

Bah, do you really think that Halflife would be half as successfull if as it is now considering its age if valve wasn't community driven.



I know this somthing bad to say. And it goes against all my forum posting ethics. But you sir, are beggining to convince me that you are in fact an idiot.

Just beginning..?

 

[Skullhair]

iD is the only real community focused developer. They host conventions every year for their fans to come out and play side by side with them, and they converse with their fans and get imput on their next projects. They also let the fans know what they are working on and how it is coming along, not like valve who keeps their projects under wraps for FIVE YEARS without breathing a word to the community who is left in the dark.

I'm glad they left us in the dark. Valve didn't leave us in the dark to be pricks; they left us in the dark so we'd be surprised. Nobody knew what they were working on and all of a sudden HL2 was upon us. I'm sure as hell glad they kept it under wraps for five years. You think people are bitching now. Just think what people would be saying if they've been waiting for five years.

iD started the mod scene with editable WADs, all for the community. With Valve it kind of happened by accident. People think that they are so community driven because the are making Source moddable, in reality it has nothing to do with the community. They learned by halflife that moddability has more to do with longevity than the quality of th eproduct, thats why they are making hl2 as moddable as they are, to fatten their bacnk accounts.

If it lets me pay fifty bucks for a game that lasts me five more years. That's fine with me.

Thats why they devised this ssytem of letting modders sell their mods on steam, who do you think gets a fat cut? Yep, Valve does. Look at the once free mods with the large fan bases, counter strike and DoD. Yep, now bought out by valve and sequels sold at full price, cashing in on the community.

So you’re against MOD makers making money? I'm sure MOD teams aren't against this. Do you think the CS, DoD, NS team wouldn't charge for their MODS if they had Steam at the time? Valve gives them the opportunity to do this. Even if they make a small amount by doing so. If you don't like the MOD then don't pay for it. I'd be glad to pay for a MOD if it was worth paying for. I donated money to Flayra and his NS team & NS is free. Not that I had to, but because they took their time and their own money to make us a kickass MOD.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Let me phrase things another way. Did Carmack's Ferraris come from charitable donations?

 

[Shuzer]

Let me phrase things another way. Did Carmack's Ferraris come from charitable donations?

Pi, the community gave them to him for being such community driven saints :angel:

 

[Reven]

I'm glad they left us in the dark. Valve didn't leave us in the dark to be pricks; they left us in the dark so we'd be surprised. Nobody knew what they were working on and all of a sudden HL2 was upon us. I'm sure as hell glad they kept it under wraps for five years. You think people are bitching now. Just think what people would be saying if they've been waiting for five years.

exactly


Bitching now: 67%
Bitching if announced 5 years ago: 450%

 

[mrchimp]

I'm sure they did

EDIT: in reply to an earlier post

 

[Shuzer]

$10 on Pseudonym_ not replying again

 

[Reven]

$10 on Pseudonym_ not replying again

ill raise you 25$ plus 600$ CS cash..

 

[Varsity]

Close thread, please. It's turning into a troll's tea party.

 

[Pseudonym_]

Really? So how is Doom 3 coming along then?

Very nicely.

Got any development updates?

They recently began to wrap up voice recording sessions for the characters, and development is drawing to a close.

What about an idea of when it's going to be released.

Very soon. As you know iD doesn't give dates until the game is going gold because they don't want to un-intentionally jerk the community around like a certain other developer we all know very well, but it is in the final stage of development now.

Hey, tell me something about the mod tools.

The map editing proggie will be a new reworked version of q3radiant. It will allow mappers to walk around inside their map in real time with all lighting information available, so they can test lights and see what it will look like in the game in real time, something hl2 won't be able to do. Also compiling maps will take about 2 minutes, as opposed to hl2 which will take many hours on larger maps.

Also every map that comes with the game will be editable in the map editor. You can open any map and you will be able to view exactly how the develoipers did certain things in the map, something hl2 won't be able to do.

There will be a normal map generator embedded in the game. All one must do is pull down the console and reference the models and the game will generate a normal map that will work for Doom³. Infact, all the tools used to make the content in the game will be provided with them game, other than 3rd party modelling and animation software of course.

Or some of the engine capablities beyond realtime lighting and bump mapping.

Those are major features. hl2 only has one, and not to the extent of Doom³. In hl2 only the occasional surface will have the detail allowed by normal maps, but in Doom³ every surface will be uber detailed and normal mapped. Additionally the AI is much more advanced than most people believe, as you would know if you kept up to date. The sound system is the most advanced in any FPS, and was co-developed by Reznor. The physics system is top notch and rivals any other physics system out there. iD developed it infact because they ddin't consider any 3rd party package was as powerfull as they needed. valve bought hteir physics engine. :naughty:

Oooh - tell me about the storyline! No? You can't?

Why yes, I can. There is much we don't know, since making it known would ruin the game for the fans. But you play the role of a Marine who is stationed at the UAC research facility on Mars. While you are perusing the base something goes wrong and you set out to see what has happened. You quickly find out demons and zombies are somehow invading the base. As you progress you attempt to find out who opened the portal and why. Eventually you discover the Hellspawn has invaded Mars before, and a weapon was made to drive them back. The weapon was captured by the hellspawn and is being kept by them so that it cannot be used against them(it is indestructable). So you mission then becomes to go into Hell and retrieve it. Obviously there is much more to it, but it's better to keep the story under wraps.

But we know more about the Doom³ story than we do about the hl2 story. :naughty:

 

[Kadayi]

Close thread, please. It's turning into a troll's tea party.

I think the troll has left the building (SOP when his fragile conceits get lambasted). :dozey:

 

[DarkStar]

Let me phrase things another way. Did Carmack's Ferraris come from charitable donations?

You mean the 50 bucks I gave to " The Buy Johhny C. a new 575M Maranello Foundation" weren't going to John Cusack? BOOOOOO!

 

[Reven]

Story? just like all the other dooms?

But we know more about the Doom³ story than we do about the hl2 story

that cracks me up, yea value should have like totally like given us the script, so we would like totally not be surprised totally.

i love abusing totally...

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Pseudonym - right, and that's roughly about the same amount of information that is known about HL2 (bar the storyline). So how are id providing more information than Valve are?

 

[jsc1286]

Pseudonym your antagonistic views are leading nowhere. Your arguments are completely untrue. First of all, Half-Life 1 was delayed because it looked like HELL. After completely scrapping it and starting over, look at what they came up with. Game of the Year doesn't come easily. Next, VALVe is anti-community? Bullshit. VALVe has done a great job replying to our requests. Why don't you put Gabe's shoes on for a day and try to reply to the constant stream of "When will we get new information" or "OMG U F*CKIN ASS RELEEESE TEH GAME ALREADY". Get your head out of your ass. iD is a great software company that produces great games but so far, they miss release dates too. In conclusion, your pessimism is quite ludicrous. I'm angry at the delay, but I don't have to blame everything that VALVe did was for their own benefit. When Half-Life 2 comes out, you'll see.

My final words: You = Toolio.

 

[Kadayi]

But we know more about the Doom³ story than we do about the hl2 story. :naughty:

Doom³ has an engine, but story? Surely you jest

 

[Pseudonym_]

I ddin't say iD provides more informatio nthan Valve, I said iD keeps the community informed on what they are working on and Valve does not. iD has been letting the community in on the development of Doom³ al lalong, yet valve keeps thei rfans in the dark FOR FIVE YEARS!

:imu:

 

[Shuzer]

I ddin't say iD provides more informatio nthan Valve, I said iD keeps the community informed on what they are working on and Valve does not. iD has been letting the community in on the development of Doom³ al lalong, yet valve keeps thei rfans in the dark FOR FIVE YEARS!

:imu:

Wow. Had VALVe announced HL2's development 5 years ago, it would've been a disaster.

Honestly, it's been delayed less than a year and everyone acts like its the end of the world. Just imagine 5 years :|

 

[Chris D]

So anyway, what is your point?

 

[Argyll]

I only read the first two posts and already know that this thread is full of ignorance...

 

[Reven]

I ddin't say iD provides more informatio nthan Valve, I said iD keeps the community informed on what they are working on and Valve does not. iD has been letting the community in on the development of Doom³ al lalong, yet valve keeps thei rfans in the dark FOR FIVE YEARS!

:imu:

you are truly an idiot
does information come in one part of your head and exit the other side before its processed? or you cant read very well?

can you IMAGEN the BITCHING that would have happend if they would have announcedm, oh lord