Too Fat To Graduate

[VirusType2]

Pennsylvania's Lincoln University has instituted a requirement that first-year students who arrive on campus with a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or higher must either lower their BMI below 30 or take a one-unit course called "Fitness for Life" in order to graduate.

Discuss.

 

[Raziaar]

Seriously?

What does that have to do with education?

I don't care how you feel about fat people, that's a retarded requirement.

It's a god damn school not a ****ing gym.

 

[VirusType2]

Although obesity is a major problem in America, this is discrimination, isn't it? I think they'll have to make everyone take the "Fitness for Life" class. Though being a private school, it could be a real battle.

Also, I meant to put some sources:

http://www.lemondrop.com/2009/11/30/university-adds-bmi-requirement-for-graduati/

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...fore+graduate&cts=1260160449241&aq=o&oq=&aqi=

 

[theotherguy]

I don't care if you're a ****ing hampster in a robotic body, if you can do the course work and pass it, you should graduate.

 

[Vegeta897]

Well, you'll be a more effective human being with a longer life if you're fit and healthy. Thus making your education more valuable.

 

[Robbo]

I don't care if you're a ****ing hampster in a robotic body, if you can do the course work and pass it, you should graduate.

They are not being stopped from graduating just being further educated which if your massively over weight is not essentially a bad thing.
It is a radial idea but a University is probably the best environment for this to take place as it's their for the sole benefit of the students with none of the ulterior motives that many gyms have.

 

[RidleyRockets]

Are they going to make people with a low BMI put on weight?

 

[dfc05]

That's ridiculous. In high school I was forced to take extra class requirements (4 years of foreign language versus 2, and a "Cultures" class) because I wasn't zoned to the school and all the viciously competitive parents living in that area were able to sneakily get a public high school to give their honors kids a GPA advantage :|. The ironic thing was, that school was in a rich-white+Asian-people neighborhood, and apparently they thought they were more culturally aware than the rest of the entire Houston metropolitan area.

But at least that served some kind of idiotic ulterior motive. I seriously can't think of ANY reason a university would make heavier people take an extra class to graduate. Most places try to get students OUT as quickly as possible to make room for new students. It's none of their business what their students physically look like. They shouldn't even be allowed to force them to provide their BMI.

 

[swan_song1973]

**** that shit, hope this isnt a trend.

 

[Dog--]

I'm not fat nor overly skinny, therefore I care not.

 

[Wanted Bob]

If they made everyone take it, I wouldnt have a problem with it.

 

[Saturos]

Well, you'll be a more effective human being with a longer life if you're fit and healthy. Thus making your education more valuable.

^This

They're only trying to help graduates become more marketable irl. No private industry these days wants to pay for the benefits of an 'at risk' obese person, which is a condition that could be avoided with a little self-discipline. Adapt and overcome fatties.

 

[dfc05]

^This

They're only trying to help graduates become more marketable irl . No private industry these days wants to pay for the benefits of an 'at risk' obese person, which is a condition that could be avoided with a little self-discipline. Adapt and overcome fatties.

That's still no reason to force them to take a class beyond what other students are required to take. If this were about marketability they'd make students take classes on how to bs their way through job interviews.

I can see how they're trying to spin this off as concern for the student's health, but this is a doctor's job, not a school's job. And even a doctor can't force anyone to take fitness class.

Also, if they make fat people take the course solely for health reasons, they should make everyone at risk take the class. For example, my BMI is so low it doesn't even show up on the chart, but I have high cholesterol. Why base it just on weight when there are potentially just as many skinny people who have health issues? I'm guessing that would betray patient confidentiality, which is why I'm still shocked that they managed to get their hands on BMI data in the first place.

 

[Sheepo]

I'm not fat nor overly skinny, therefore I care not.

It's about principles bro.

 

[Wanted Bob]

I can see how they're trying to spin this off as concern for the student's health, but this is a doctor's job, not a school's job. And even a doctor can't force anyone to take fitness class.

It says for first year students so I'm assuming it affects everyone who attends the university from now on. In which case, if people felt that strongly about not taking the course couldnt they just not go to that university?

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Heh, this is kinda dumb.

 

[Sheepo]

Bob: "first-year students who arrive on campus with a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or higher".

Which is much worse. Not to mention BMI is a shitty way to measure fitness. I know several people with no fat on them that would fail that test.

 

[Wanted Bob]

Bob: "first-year students who arrive on campus with a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or higher".

Yeah, I meant that anyone currently enrolled with a BMI over 30 wouldnt be forced to take it, only people who enroll from now on with a BMI over 30. Meaning they can choose not to attend this university.

 

[dfc05]

It says for first year students so I'm assuming it affects everyone who attends the university from now on. In which case, if people felt that strongly about not taking the course couldnt they just not go to that university?

Well following on the discrimination issue that Virus mentioned, that would be comparable to saying that a university should be allowed to force all black or Hispanic or Asian students to take a certain class (further, a certain class called "Learn How To Stop Being The Way You Are Because It's Unacceptable To Us, But Don't Worry, It's All For Your Own Benefit") -- and if they don't want to, they can just go to a different school.

 

[Raziaar]

If this school is so keen on getting students to change their lives for the better, there is a far better way to go about it.

Provide resources for students to lose and manage weight, optional but greatly encouraged.

Don't require something... because that's total bullshit.

Make it a positive, not a negative.

 

[Wanted Bob]

Well following on the discrimination issue that Virus mentioned, that would be comparable to saying that a university should be allowed to force all black or Hispanic or Asian students to take a certain class, and if they don't want to, they can just go to a different school.

Minus the fact that being a certain race does not detrimentally affect your health. This is meant to assist people later on in life, regardless of where they end up.

 

[Saturos]

Besides, they'll be glad the school made them lose few pounds because they'll gain vanity points and love life that much more. Furthermore, everyone was made to take P.E. courses in elementary and junior high, why not college?

 

[dfc05]

Minus the fact that being a certain race does not detrimentally affect your health. This is meant to assist people later on in life, regardless of where they end up.

It's still discriminatory to force people into academic requirements, for purely personal/physical/non-academic reasons. Also, like I said earlier (in an edit... I need to stop editing every single post I make), there are plenty of other people out there who have similar health issues like high cholesterol, but aren't required to take this class.

Besides, they'll be glad the school made them lose few pounds because they'll gain vanity points and love life that much more. Furthermore, everyone was made to take P.E. courses in elementary and junior high, why not college?

Here they're making only people with a certain BMI take the class, not everyone.

And like I said before, regardless of what it does for these students, it's still absolutely NONE of the school's business what their students weigh or whether they should be taking fitness class. Their job is to give these students an education in the particular major they wanted, not to be nosy and apply certain requirements based on weight.

 

[VirusType2]

Besides, they'll be glad the school made them lose few pounds because they'll gain vanity points and love life that much more. Furthermore, everyone was made to take P.E. courses in elementary and junior high, why not college?

Wait. They aren't required to lose weight. They are simply required to take the class

 

[Raziaar]

Minus the fact that being a certain race does not detrimentally affect your health. This is meant to assist people later on in life, regardless of where they end up.

No, that is incorrect.

Certain ethnicities are more predisposed to health complications of various types.

For example, black people are at the highest risk of heart attacks compared to any other.

 

[Krynn72]

I'm all for schools having health and fitness classes, but to make a graduation requirement on a bullshit assessment of health (BMI doesn't mean shit) is ridiculous.

 

[Raziaar]

I'm all for schools having health and fitness classes, but to make a graduation requirement on a bullshit assessment of health (BMI doesn't mean shit) is ridiculous.

Yeah. Make it a positive and not a negative, as I said before.





You're overweight... you're obese. We want to help you, we want you to lose that weight and live a healthier life to enjoy your education with. Therefore, we're going to provide classes and other resources so you can accomplish this.

vs

You're too fat, gtfo.




Oh and... in before Stern. He loves fat people.

 

[Letters]

This is even more retarded than a youtube video showing a fat person breaking the stairs as they climb up to the stage to receive their diploma, which is what I expecting.

I want my money back.

 

[Saturos]

I'm all for schools having health and fitness classes, but to make a graduation requirement on a bullshit assessment of health (BMI doesn't mean shit) is ridiculous.

Sure, BMI means plenty of shit, like how fat you are, and fat is bad because big brother said so!

Seriously, what other way could they curb the obesity epidemic? Ban fast food? Everyone knows that fast food chains are the viruses responsible for the fattyism syndrome, speading like the plague and making everyone fat. But that will never happen because, 'amerikuns' love their greasy foods too much.

Oh yes, being that universities are a public institution, the government has a say on how fat students can be before graduating.

 

[Wanted Bob]

No, that is incorrect.

Certain ethnicities are more predisposed to health complications of various types.

For example, black people are at the highest risk of heart attacks compared to any other.

I suppose you are right, but does that make any race the "healthiest" or "unhealthiest"?

 

[Dog--]

It's about principles bro.

Ok, it's their university, they can do what they want?

I agree with veg, people are too fat these days, would you rather hire a guy who looks average, or some fat guy when they have the same education? The regular guy is more likely to have less problems that you'll have to pay for later on. The people bitching about this are likely the fat people who might have to actually do some physical work to get what they want (education), which is why they are fat in the first place.

 

[Raziaar]

I suppose you are right, but does that make any race the "healthiest" or "unhealthiest"?

Nope.

Ok, it's their university, they can do what they want?

I agree with veg, people are too fat these days, would you rather hire a guy who looks average, or some fat guy when they have the same education? The regular guy is more likely to have less problems that you'll have to pay for later on. The people bitching about this are likely the fat people who might have to actually do some physical work to get what they want (education), which is why they are fat in the first place.

We're not saying they can't do what they want.

We're saying it's ****ing retarded.

And seriously? Calling it like it is means you're probably a fat person?

 

[Dog--]

I never said it wasn't stupid, despite being lazy and fat, they still have a right to an education, but it shouldn't take anyone more then a month or so - of actually seriously trying - to get skinny and healthy.. Only like 5% of fat people actually have some genetic condition that makes them fat, everyone else uses it as an excuse.

 

[dfc05]

We're not saying they can't do what they want.

We're saying it's ****ing retarded.

And seriously? Calling it like it is means you're probably a fat person?

Not only a fat person, but a fat, lazy person, because apparently all fat people are lazy .

And they really can't do what they want, if it infringes upon a person's right to an equal opportunity in education.

 

[Raziaar]

I never said it wasn't stupid, despite being lazy and fat, they still have a right to an education, but it shouldn't take anyone more then a month or so - of actually seriously trying - to get skinny and healthy.. Only like 5% of fat people actually have some genetic condition that makes them fat, everyone else uses it as an excuse.

Being fat translates into being lazy?

 

[Letters]

Dog has a book coming out soon. It's going to make billions.

 

[Dog--]

If they weren't lazy they wouldn't have a problem getting in shape, **** em.

I always wondered how I hate everything, yet I'm so young. I'm going to be one bastard of an old guy.

 

[Letters]

You just haven't met the right fat guy yet. Who knows... lightning could strike.

 

[Raziaar]

<!--I'm right here for you Dog-->

 

[Saturos]

So in conclusion, If fat people wanted an education bad enough, then they'll lose the f**king weigh, bottom line.

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