what do you want to see in cs hl2 port

[111111]

Take out the shield, as on publics there is no team play, and it is not used how it was designed (to cover team mates etc). Instead it has become for people to camp with and wait for the people to run out of ammo then pop them (Very annoying).

-off topic-

I would like to see the acc of guns increased beacuse the game feels much to random

I would also like to see the rates removed from the game (im not an expert on them) but it causes many arguments about 'rate hacking' and it would be more fair if the game itself could work these out for people but be locked so people chant change them (like you can now)

I'm sorry for the lack of grammer and typos i just wrote this quickly to put some points across.

I have lots of other ideas such as, planting the bomb frags. These should be taken away so the person who plants doesnt get 3. But the whole team gets a few frags (this should improve teamplay on public servers)

 

[QuriZ]

Please remove the shield!! it makes the game boring because its totaly bugged etc.. and i mean how fun is it when someone can hide behind a shield and take no dmg, only lame :/ (my opinion)??

if the shield still will be in source i think it should have hitpoints or make some weapons go through it :/.. i mean u can shoot people who are on another side of a fat stone wall but not through the shield :S

 

[cenmocay]

Please remove the shield!! it makes the game boring because its totaly bugged etc.. and i mean how fun is it when someone can hide behind a shield and take no dmg, only lame :/ (my opinion)??

if the shield still will be in source i think it should have hitpoints or make some weapons go through it :/.. i mean u can shoot people who are on another side of a fat stone wall but not through the shield :S

U need a real game ? play Americas Army

 

[flo_Orian]

how about instead of a lound noise, they mute the sound and let it fade back in. if they put a loud ringing noise it might be annoying and even damaging.

I love the idea. Adds a little bit more realism and isnt annoying like hearing 'PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP' all the time :X
Wasnt it like this in the hl2 videos from e3?

And how about make the whole hud customizable? I like the different crosshair and text colors. But whats with hud/radar colors? Come on :>

 

[3d Animator]

What would you guys think if we gave the shield the boot?

Cliffe
VALVe

the shield is allright I find that sometimes is usefull when u have a terro camper with an AWP, and I never seen any shield user make much of a diference on a mach... they allways get knifed,

make the AWP more expensive on the other hand, that would be a good idea.

ta

 

[hJL]

What would you guys think if we gave the shield the boot?

Cliffe
VALVe

I would be very glad, tough i don't play public very often it would be nice to get it off the buy menu

 

[gUZTE]

plz remove the shield.

 

[QuriZ]

U need a real game ? play Americas Army

nahh.. i want a good game... i didnt say cs was bad because it wasnt real? did i no? then why do u open your lil mounth?

i love that you can shoot trough walls but i DONT like the shield and like i said thats my opinion..
the shield is only anyoing and in the way.. ok it was fun the first hour to use it but then it ust went lame since u cant die with it.. and what the *** are t supposed to do if some ct's have some skill and use the shield?


If you like the shield then write that instead of trying to flame me..

well im off to bed night.. and please let me have my own opinion.

 

[Berglund]

boot! make a poll...

 

[eram]

But the shield would look so cool on source .Imagine a group of CT's charging at you with those things,+ its not that to kill someone with a shield

 

[D@$h]

What would you guys think if we gave the shield the boot?

Cliffe
VALVe

No if you guys can fix all the problems it would be kewl to have a sheild and no longer be a noob tool :cheers: oR JUST BE ABLE TO DISABLE IT ON SERVERS

 

[Alchemist]

shield is very unbalanced and slows the game down even more. It doesn't reward practice or skill it just something to hide behind.

I would also love to see 30 foot steel walls not be spam spots. Its great if you can shoot threw a wooden door but concert boxes should give you some cover.

 

[Montrey]

What would you guys think if we gave the shield the boot?

Cliffe
VALVe

I dont believe you need to completely take out the shield. Most of the problems people see with the game can easily be solved by just making almost everything configurable. Most of the arguments can be settled if theres a server command to turn them off. I'm a League player and sometimes league players dont believe that the creators listen to any of their concerns. Although the league play community is small compared to the broader community; I believe its still an important community(espically when it has $150,000 tournaments and changes to the game can affect alot of people). Here are some suggestions i've gathered that would solve many problems if it was implemented in the HL2 port(Or even in the current 1.6 so that players can get used to it and start to love the game again.)

Sever Command Suggestions:
sv_staminajumping 1/0 (Many league players will remember the jumping without being slowed and believe its still the best way for peaking around corners and such. You cant shoot when jumping so theres no need to slow it down. It only makes it easier to be awped or to awp when you stop/slow down. It took skill away from awping because players didnt have to learn how to stop themselves after jumping anymore because the game did it for them.)
sv_awpdelay 1/0 (Some players really didnt and still dont like the new awp delay so just making it configurable server-side would solve the problems because league players would come together and vote on best settings)
sv_shield 1/0
sv_defusekills 1/0 (Some league players dont want to get 3 kills for holding the use key so this would be good)
sv_ambientnoise 1/0 (Some players use an illegal command called 'stopsound' which i've never tried since its illegal but if this command existed i'm sure the leagues would use 0 so it wouldnt be a problem for anyone)

Regular Suggestions:
I believe the sound for switching from gun to nade(Very low static sound) should be taken out. I use the sound to hear if someone is about to throw a nade but if no one could hear it then it would make the game way more intense.(For those who dont even know about this sound then disregard this suggestion)

When inplementing drastic changes to old maps I believe they should just add a 2 to the end of the map name and make it an entirely new map so that league players can continue to play the regular version(de_aztec2).


These were the only ones I could think of for now(With the help of a few other players) but these are the most important. If more options were just configurable then there would be less need for bickering and less need for major updates due to complaints.

If i were to use one word to summarize my whole post it would be: Configurability

 

[land]

remove the shield please and awp delay ... most of the gamers don't like this two changes


there were a voting about the awp when the patch was released and the were over 20000 votes for the old awp..
if gamers like old game what for you change it????

awp = not disbalance .. it is just a part of the game

 

[bobbob]

> no shields
> vehicles stupid idea
> forget cz
> stop making things idiot friendly
> aim at competitive esports scene - not kids playing on public servers
> esports is what makes cs big not the fools running around public servers
> dont need new guns. stop changing existing guns.
> all of u shut up with ur crazy ideas which may make public more interesting
> dont change realism, fine as is
> netcode is excellent - no need to change it
> ask the top teams / event organisers (CPL) to give opinions not these kids.
> forget single player. you have allready got the best single player game in the world, you wont make 2.
> remove awp delay like he said
> make sure HLTV is ported to new engine

 

[hemong]

> no shields
> vehicles stupid idea
> forget cz
> stop making things idiot friendly
> aim at competitive esports scene - not kids playing on public servers
> esports is what makes cs big not the fools running around public servers
> dont need new guns. stop changing existing guns.
> all of u shut up with ur crazy ideas which may make public more interesting
> dont change realism, fine as is
> netcode is excellent - no need to change it
> ask the top teams / event organisers (CPL) to give opinions not these kids.
> forget single player. you have allready got the best single player game in the world, you wont make 2.
> remove awp delay like he said
> make sure HLTV is ported to new engine

I concur 100% percent.

 

[land]

when you released 1.6 with shield and the awp delay many of the gamers who really hated this changes are still playing cs 1.5...
many of the gamers ( include famous progamers ) quited cs because the understood that version 1.5 will not be played anymore and they hated those updates too...
many of the players have already chosen another games - warcraftIII, unrealtournament and so on for the same reason
if you look at the statistic - how many players were when was 1.5 version and how many players are now you will see the difference

so you are loosing the main part of the game - GAMERS...
if you look at the statistic - how many players were when was 1.5 version and how many players are now you will see the difference
the gameplay was exellent since version 1.3 and there was no need to change it..
stop doing it please and make all how it was at the beginning until the main part of the game is not ruined yet


p.s.: and i agreed with bobbob too

 

[jameth]

Originally Posted by cliffe
What would you guys think if we gave the shield the boot?

Cliffe
VALVe

i would love you even more forever.

 

[coyle]

I think there should be an option to turn off the radar. some people never use it even though they know how, sound and common sense can be used instead of a radar.

 

[antzen]

What would you guys think if we gave the shield the boot?

Cliffe
VALVe

Yes, please keep it out of the game... (it's more or less "no-Shield"-only servers out there nowadays...)

... and while you're at it... give us back the "old" awp without the delay... it's really no point of having it... none that I've read/heard anyways...

... just my 2 cents...

/antzen --- old-school since the betas...

 

[antzen]

> no shields
> aim at competitive esports scene - not kids playing on public servers
> esports is what makes cs big not the fools running around public servers
> dont need new guns. stop changing existing guns.
> ask the top teams / event organisers (CPL) to give opinions not these kids.
> remove awp delay like he said

*agreed*

/antzen

 

[antzen]

I think there should be an option to turn off the radar. some people never use it even though they know how, sound and common sense can be used instead of a radar.

... or maybe not ... *rofl*

 

[Alchemist]

sv_defusekills 1/0 would great to have. It really hard to give awards (I do shoutcasting with Teams Sportscast Network) when you have a guy that is 18 and 5 with 5 defuses. I guess its ok for pub play but in a league the team win and players stats have a different meaning.

 

[ImperfectSense]

What would you guys think if we gave the shield the boot?

Cliffe
VALVe

I believe gameplay would be much better if the shield were removed completly. I see and understand the arguments for it's simply being fixed up and made more practical, and while that would I think be an excellent feature in a single player game or a slower-paced game such as ghost recon or something of that nature, I think CounterStrike is in general a fast moving game and as such anything defensive in nature will simply slow down the action. Please remove the shield from CS:Source.

 

[Venger]

Don't change anything but the physics and graphics, remove the shield. Bigger maps slow the game down. Keep em this way. BTW, I'd love to see the original 1337 crew model as well as some others in CSS instead of replacing it with some other model. Its a part of our beloved game. Of course they would be a little more detailed.

 

[Venger]

Agree for a very large part with bobbob. Especially with the strong focus on the Esports Scene, its extremely large.

 

[tUrbulenz]

> no shields
> vehicles stupid idea
> forget cz
> stop making things idiot friendly
> aim at competitive esports scene - not kids playing on public servers
> esports is what makes cs big not the fools running around public servers
> dont need new guns. stop changing existing guns.
> all of u shut up with ur crazy ideas which may make public more interesting
> dont change realism, fine as is
> netcode is excellent - no need to change it
> ask the top teams / event organisers (CPL) to give opinions not these kids.
> forget single player. you have allready got the best single player game in the world, you wont make 2.
> remove awp delay like he said
> make sure HLTV is ported to new engine

101% on this.

 

[Paias]

What would you guys think if we gave the shield the boot?

Cliffe
VALVe

Please remove it. It just slows up the game.

 

[redragon525]

> no shields
> vehicles stupid idea
> forget cz
> stop making things idiot friendly
> aim at competitive esports scene - not kids playing on public servers
> esports is what makes cs big not the fools running around public servers
> dont need new guns. stop changing existing guns.
> all of u shut up with ur crazy ideas which may make public more interesting
> dont change realism, fine as is
> netcode is excellent - no need to change it
> ask the top teams / event organisers (CPL) to give opinions not these kids.
> forget single player. you have allready got the best single player game in the world, you wont make 2.
> remove awp delay like he said
> make sure HLTV is ported to new engine

I definitely DON'T think that they should focus on the "esports scene" or whatever you want to call it...I didn't hear about CS from the "esports scene," I heard it from a friend who had played it at another friend's house. I know plenty of people who heard about CS a while back from half-life sites, etc...

The point is, no matter how you look at it, if the public isn't going to buy it, they probably aren't going to support it, and making it "idiot friendly" or whatever you want to call it *we've all been new at one point in time* isn't going to get the public pumped much about it.

Plus, all cliffe said was whether you guys wanted the shield booted

I think the shield's a great addition, just needs a few bugs ironed out...I think the para would be tons better if it could penetrate the shield, and worth the money too...bet i'd see a lot more paras running around also.

 

[cYberpunK]

Shield:

Alot of crap has been said about this, all I think it's about players not being able to adapt to change. I like the shield because it breaks those maps when all the players whore the AWP. Alot of servers "ban" the shield because it is deemed unfair. It's not true. You still can die with it. Having the shield doesn't make you immortal. You still get damage from HE grenades, knifes and a few good aimed shots from guns. All they need to do is fix the bugs that the shield has and it's gold. All those talk about allowing certain rounds (AWP duh) to penetrate it is another fact that AWP whores complaining.

I say keep the shield. Just fix the bugs.

AWP

It's a one hit kill weapon. It deserves more cons. I have a few suggestions:
1.) You can't jump when you have a sniper rifle.
2.) 2 second "black out" when you scope.

But remove the pistol delay.

Look, I like the awp. But I just plain hate it when the server of ANY map becomes a AWP map. The awp deserves to be an expert player's weapon, make the learning curve of this game be set up a notch higher. True, anybody can pick up the awp and kill with it. But make it so that only the real pros use it.

More machine guns

Hey Valve, it's lame that the machine gun section ONLY HAS ONE GUN. Where's the M60? SAW?

HE Grenade

This damn thing is still bugged. The grenade can fall on your ass and you can recieve ZERO damage from it. It's damage is extremely unrealistic (i mean inconsistent actually). How can anybody get hit by 3-4 HE grenades and NOT DIE?

Weapon damage

All of us have unloaded an entire clip of the GLock and the guy lives to turn around and give you a headshot. Fix this.

Weapon Prices

Submachine guns need to be way cheaper than assault rifles. Pistols need to be cheaper too. And dual berettas for 1k.....why would anybody blow 1 grand for it anyway? Besides looking cool, which only lasts 5 seconds before your ass get's pawned, is there any use for such weapons? Think practical. What is practical for this game?

Ability to prone

DoD has it. Allows concealment, allows more accurate fire especially form machine guns. Allows more advance squad based tactics. But do away with deployment of machine guns ect ect....CS is too fast paced for deployment stuff.

Sorry to say that, i don't want to attack you personally but everything you say sounds like newbie bull$#17 !
Ok here my arguments:
Shield -
Most players don't like it any many leagues have banned it. Thats just because it doesn't really fit the gameplay of CS i think. It's not like every competetive player can't handle gameplay changes or anything but it's such a big change that they just don't want to.
I say kick the shield, like many said before, it's banned in most leagues and even banned from a couple of public servers i've been on (i don't play much public). So i guess the real competetive gamers don't really like it, just the casual gamer that playes CS maybe 2 hours just some days a week. Sure you could say that maybe most gamers are just casual gamers BUT if you piss off all players that play CS because of competetive gaming, CS wouldn't last much longer as what it is today i think.

AWP -
I don't think it's "professional" in any kind of way if you would add an even longer waiting period like a 2sec blackscreen when zooming an i think it's totally not true that a delay has anything to do with professional ! gaming.
I don't think it's an argument that the pro's are just to lazy to adapt, it's just the other way round, if it's that slow more "newbies" and "fun" players will just sit somewhere, zoom and kill the first one that comes around the corner. A "pro" like maybe xeqtr would manage this situation maybe better by taking out a couple of enemys - in the past - now he has no other option to just do the same as any "newbie" can do. Maybe you've guessed, i myself, don't like the AWP-delay either (before i liked the AWP really because it _was_ a weapon for skilled players, like you come around a corner and manage to take out several people because of your fast reflexes and weaponswitching (it's just newbie gossip that there are too many cheaters using awp scripts ... in professional gaming there was never ever such a thing (because of lan gaming and everything))).

Machine Guns -
Sure you could add some new machine guns but would really anybody use these or the other question, would it affect the gameplay too much ?
I think it would be risky for valve as they were many people for sure that would dislike it.

HE Grenade -
I have to say, you don't understand the fundamentals of CS !
Maybe the idea back in the days was to make a realistic game ( i don't really know ) but it evolved to be just competetive like it is. Every competetive player would just hate to see a "realistic" HE Grenade !
You need to keep the game balance and not just change everything that makes CS the game it is.
It's very more teamplay based with the HE's as it is now. Imagine a single HE would kill several full healthed + Armor Enemys that would just suck because it would be to much change of the gameplay that everybody likes (or else you shouldn't play).

Weapon Damage -
Again i have to disagree, the Glock is good as it is and, sorry to say it that way, every "real" player would ****ing hate it to see a terrorist just kill a counter terrorist with one shot or something. That would take away a lot of "skill" as it is called.
Just let the game balancing be as it is and fix the bugs, help the community and stuff but _don't change the game_ (just make new ones or something but don't change things that aren't even criticized by most of the players or something).

Weapon Prices -
First i have to say i think Duals cost 800$ for some time now. And why the hell should anyone change the prices for the weapons ?! I think they are good as they are and too big changes would just scare away too much oldschool players.

Prone -
Simply as that, my opinion is - NO (at least not in CS !)

And at the end my Opinion about what would be liked by the mass of players (or at least by the competetive players (who are the fundament, don't forget that )) -
--- Change AWP back to what it was in the old days (many players still don't like it !! Just because nobody makes new Threads or something doesn't mean the players like it now, they just think it can't be changed anymore since valve has changed it at there own will).
btw the reason why it was changed is a bit erm "silly", i mean just because a lot of newbies where whining when they got AWP killed by better players isn't a real reason or is it ?
Hell give the players a game which they can play and gain better skill after a time, not a game which is so ****ing slow that everyone can almost do the same :|

edit:
If you are to lazy to read my whole comment, it says something like

"NEVER CHANGE A WINNING GAME" :E

 

[MinitroN]

for the love of god get rid of the shield, it slows the game down and makes it sometimes just awful to watch. vehicles just make the game corny, if i wanted cars i'd play gran turismo. it makes cs less of a skill game and more of a stupid game. and stop messing with the guns to please the stupid masses. focus on the elite few at the top, cpl = reason for cs to exist.

 

[tUrbulenz]

Plus, all cliffe said was whether you guys wanted the shield booted

haven't you noticed the forum thread is called "what do you want to see in cs hl2 port?" i believe he is saying what he wants to see in the cs hl2 port, no?

 

[cYberpunK]

I definitely DON'T think that they should focus on the "esports scene" or whatever you want to call it...I didn't hear about CS from the "esports scene," I heard it from a friend who had played it at another friend's house. I know plenty of people who heard about CS a while back from half-life sites, etc...

The point is, no matter how you look at it, if the public isn't going to buy it, they probably aren't going to support it, and making it "idiot friendly" or whatever you want to call it *we've all been new at one point in time* isn't going to get the public pumped much about it.

Plus, all cliffe said was whether you guys wanted the shield booted

I think the shield's a great addition, just needs a few bugs ironed out...I think the para would be tons better if it could penetrate the shield, and worth the money too...bet i'd see a lot more paras running around also.

Yeah sure, don't focus on esport scene but instead focus on public scene, i mean THAT is what make games like tribes 2 and battlefield _this_ popular right ?
Start thinking again please ...

And yeah sure, i heard about CS from a magazine and at the beginning i did not played in leagues and stuff but its simply a lie if you say public makes CS what it is today !

 

[OCybrManO]

Games are popular because they are fun to play, not because they are designed for clan matches. League-specific changes should be purely optional.

 

[cYberpunK]

OCybrManO
Ok point for you, games are mainly designed for fun thats right, but CS evolved about the point where it's just only fun on publics like it was years ago.
I mean i know so many people who only play CS because of competing at LAN's and Online Leagues, simply to win and to be successfull.

The basement is the game, and the game is fun, i think thats why alot of people started playing it.
But like i said before _ i don't think CS would be what it is today if there wasn't big events like CPL and all this competetive stuff !

edit:
And thats why they should focus on the eSport community, because the gamers that play this game hours every day, make the solid fundamental of the CS Community, and not the public playing guy that changes the game everytime there is a new one.

Sure Valve would make more money if they would change the game all the time so the public players would like it ( or maybe not, but i dont really know how much public players are out there ) BUT the community itself would die fast and the game would have never lasted this long.

I mean just watch over to corea and starcraft ...

 

[cYberpunK]

sorry for double posting but my edit button disappeared

What i've forgot to say in my last post ->
Some people are complaining about "pro gamers" that can't adapt to changes like AWP delay.
These are the people that whined before because they got killed by skilled players over and over again so i guess THEY could not adapt the time before the AWP Delay update came...

edit:
And sorry for missusing this thread for this discussion.

 

[DelaZ]

I say boot! Thanks cliffe :x

 

[U_tG]

What would you guys think if we gave the shield the boot?

Cliffe
VALVe

The shield is not allowed on any scrims or matches (at least not in Sweden).
It's also restricted on most public servers so it's not really a part of cs anyway. Sure, just remove it. It won't be missed by 99% of the community.
If you really want to listen to the community though, ask if we want the awp-delay removed.
Maybe you don't want to ask that question, but if you do want to know:

*walkspeed
*jump-delay
*awp-delay

These are the things that most players would like to change back. Maybe the first 2 are slowly being accepted, but if asked I think most people still would like to see them reversed. A never used shield however is not top priority.

 

[dasskonge]

What would you guys think if we gave the shield the boot?

Cliffe
VALVe

That would make us all happy!

 

[omilo]

Remove the shield.
The shield is just to big of an advantage against a AK or AWP or whatever...
If you gonna keep it, atleast make it weaker, an awp should be able to shoot trough it..
Its also lame that you can knife trough it, but if you spray 30 bullets with an AK47 it make 0 damage....WTF is that BS?