Why I hate communists.

[bigburpco]

Of course not. But for the entire nation itself, poverty is a very bad thing. A communist system however, would have been, and be impossible, with people shouting ANTI-COMMUNISM! in the streets.

And being shot.

 

[Kitfox]

I love everybody in this thread.

 

[bigburpco]

DON'T COME NEAR ME.

800

 

[DreadLord]

800

BVASGM

 

[evil^milk]

:naughty:

 

[MultiVaC]

I always thought people were a little hard on Numbers with the whole "brainwashed" thing, but wow, I'm beginning to think it's the only word that fits. If South Korea is really like he makes it seem, Communism is the least of their worries.

 

[99.vikram]

On December 9th, 1978, a villiage was attacked by 120 North Korean Elites.
5 of them went to a house. They asked Lee Seungbok, aged 10, whether he liked South Korea or North Korea.
The boy replied: "I hate communism!"
The soldiers ripped his mouth up and shot him dead.
His brother was stabbed 37 times, but mirculously survived and warned the police.
We now have statues of him.

As reported by South Korean news.

 

[15357]

Which is the truth.


And lol @ the other thread

 

[AiM]

I'd imagine the S.K. government also filters out (or redirects) search words on the internet right?

edit: I find it funny how you bitched about Japan not confessing to their past when at the same time, you're denying that Gwanju was a massacre and rationale it as an actual battle.

 

[Is This Tea]

He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

 

[AiM]

May 17, 1980
After the Coup d'état of December Twelfth (1979) in Seoul, General Chun Doo-hwan declared martial law on May 17, 1980 to suppress student demonstrations around the country. The next day, students in Gwangju protested at the gate of Chonnam National University against the closing of the university, when armed forces blocking the university responded with violent means. After the incident, students moved into the downtown area, where they were joined by the citizens of the city. The growing crowd was met by the use of force, including gunfire, that caused some fatalities.

The armed forces struck first which resulted in deaths of civilians, it's not hard to see why they attempted to strike back (*hint* they were being oppressed / abused *hint*). If I were to guess, this likely goes against everything they taught you about the incident and you'll likely just dismiss this with some form of Korean propaganda. There's lots of interesting information in there and sheds a lot of light to the incident.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwangju_Massacre

 

[15357]

I give up. Its really hard when there are so many biased sources in the world.

I'd imagine the S.K. government also filters out (or redirects) search words on the internet right?

No. Freedom of Information Law.

 

[CrazyJeepDriver]

Wow, this thread is crazy. Just reading through some of the replies...

That kid wins btw.

 

[Sulkdodds]

God WTF? the Gwangju Riot was NOT A MASSACRE. THE CITIZENS RAIDED THE ****ING ARMORY. AND TOOK GUNS, SHOOTING DOWN POLICE.

Citizens do peaceful protest.
Army attacks, causing fatalities.
Citizens go violent and shit hits fan.
That's what every source I can find except your babelfish one says. And that's impossible to read. D:

I give up. Its really hard when there are so many biased sources in the world.

What? They don't agree with your official line...therefore they are biased? Wikipedia is biased (because everybody can edit it so there's no way it'll be balanced out, and because it doesn't have little 'this article is biased' stickers oh no!)? BBC is biased (because they're not suposed to be neutral, oh no, and they would really care about making your country on the other side of the world look bad because they are such commies)?

EDIT: Also, the way you describe the struggle in your home country, like 'everybody believes wholeheartedly in this slightly barmy government and authoritarian culture of ours' but 'oh, of course there's the underclass of subhuman communist supporters who constantly riot and demonstrate and engage in violence...but we're fine!' makes me think the entire of South Korea is actually an early 20th-century dystopian novel (pick a book, any book).

 

[15357]

What struggle did I describe in my country? And why is this so off topic?

 

[Sulkdodds]

You're constantly talking about 'liberals' and 'communists' who are up to no good, going making trouble in your neighbourhood.

 

[Solaris]

I'm a communist, do you hate me numbers,

 

[^Ben]

No. Freedom of Information Law.

Yet earlier on in this thread you said Karl Max books where banned.

 

[Stigmata]

I'm a communist, do you hate me numbers,

Everybody hates Ché. He thinks he's just so cool, what with his fancy beard, and his popular clothing line.... And that hat. :angry:

 

[15357]

You're constantly talking about 'liberals' and 'communists' who are up to no good, going making trouble in your neighbourhood.

Yes..... but is that a struggle? How does that make it dystopic?

I'm a communist, do you hate me numbers,

"There are exceptions in every rule."

Yet earlier on in this thread you said Karl Max books where banned.

As long as it doesn't contradict other existing laws. Its not like we burn them in the streets or anything, we just don't sell/buy them.

 

[AiM]

I give up. Its really hard when there are so many biased sources in the world.



No. Freedom of Information Law.

But you ban books that relate to communism, see any contradictions? It's not freedom when you're not allowed access to a book that doesn't harm anyone.

I did a quick search on your so called "Freedom of Information Law", lo and behold this is what I found:

The government filters the Internet to block access mainly to pornographic websites but also to those that "undermine law and order." The authorities are very sensitive to political opinions expressed online and punish Internet users who go beyond certain limits. But civil society has shown itself able to defend its rights.

...

The country was one of the first in the world, in 1995, to pass a law to monitor the posting and reading of online material. The Information Communication Ethics Committee (ICEC) keeps a very close eye on the content of websites and discussion forums and can recommend that access to them be blocked.

The information and communication ministry called in July 2001 for access to be barred to 120,000 sites it considered offensive for dealing with pornography, violence, information about computer hacking, spreading viruses, cybercrime and euthanasia. The government asked for filters against them to be installed in cybercafés, schools and public libraries. ISPs faced prosecution if they did not install them too. The reason given was to protect young people from exposure to supposedly dangerous content.

In June 2002, the country’s constitutional court struck down article 53 of the 1995 law, along with article 16 providing for its application, after criticism by the Internet freedom group Jinbonet and Lawyers for a Democratic Society. In November, parliament amended Article 53, replacing the term "dangerous content" with "illegal content." But the powers of the ICEC and the ministry to monitor and punish were upheld.

...

Two Users Arrested for "Communism"

Police arrested two communist activists, Kim Yong-Chan and Kim Jong Gon, on 11 July 2003 for possessing books about communism and for downloading from the Internet material including Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto. They were accused of violating national security laws and are still being held without trial.

Censorship in 2003

Regular accounts are given of ICEC censorship activity and the latest, in December 2003, said 18,000 websites had been censored during the year out of 79,000 cases considered. Those censored included 14,131 for pornographic content, 278 for defamatory material and 3,400 for supposedly undermining law and order.

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=10774

I only wanted to highlight the main points but as you can see, pretty much everything suggests South Korea is one huge 'Big Brother' country. Hell I even left out some parts about S.K. Government restricting internet use during elections, arresting students for creating parody's of government officials, or even the NEIS system which S.K. attempted to collect personal data (including health information) of students, parents and teachers WITHOUT their consent!

Believe what you want Numbers, but there's no denying that your so called "Fatherland" isn't quite as 'free' or 'liberated' as you believe.

edit: Here's a updated report of your 'freedom' in South Korea

The case did however confirm that the secret services regularly mount surveillance on journalists. In August, the management of the daily MoonHwa Ilbo complained that its journalists’ phones were being tapped after it published an investigation into corruption within a department of the secret services.

Finally, the law on national security still allows the government to censor publications and block access to websites deemed favourable to North Korea.[/B]

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=17361

 

[15357]

Could you hold on? I'm gonna explain everything in another thread. Thanks.


Btw, I reported one of the arrested guys to the NIS some years ago. Didn't work. Glad to see that they're under lock and Key now, though.


btw2, thats technically illegal.

 

[theotherguy]

This reminds me so much of the communist witch hunts of the 50's. We were once as brainwashed as numbers...but its sad to see that the same thing exists today. You should not hate your neighbors because they have a differing ideology, you should help each other, share resources and have an open relationship. Instead of blocking out communism, export capitalism. That has always worked for the US.

 

[CptStern]

you may not have the evils of communism but there's still plenty of brainwashing going on

 

[Fat Tony!]

Numbers why do you think absolutely everyone else is wrong ? Don't you think it's a little tiny bit strange that everyone disagrees with you

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Numbers why do you think absolutely everyone else is wrong ? Don't you think it's a little tiny bit strange that everyone disagrees with you

They don't.

 

[Fat Tony!]

People that count

 

[Is This Tea]

The Information Communication Ethics Committee (ICEC) keeps a very close eye on the content of websites and discussion forums and can recommend that access to them be blocked.

I hope we don’t get him blocked by promoting the idea of Freedom of Speech/Press too much.
We <3 you numbers!:cheers:

 

[Sulkdodds]

Yes..... but is that a struggle? How does that make it dystopic?

Err, read my post. I said it makes it seem like a dystopic early 20th century novel. Not 1984, but perhaps something like The Sleeper Awakes.

 

[pomegranate]

People that count

LOLHEHEHQFTMFT only grownups, yes.

 

[Flyingdebris]

I don't see why hating communism makes you brainwashed, the same can be said about liking communism.

Ever wondered why its always the people who have personally faced communism, or have family that have faced it that hate it the most? Could it be they have actual experience and knowledge on the subject? It always seems to me that the people who like communism either have 0 experience with it or are on the commie payroll.

Besides, South Korea has a very damn good reason to ban communist literature and behave in a very Macarthy-esque manner. Because they can't afford not to. They have N. Korea and China staring at them 24/7 looking for any excuse to attack. When push comes to shove S. Korea cannot afford to suffer any weaknesses in their resolve due to internal commie drama.

 

[Narcolepsy]

Besides, South Korea has a very damn good reason to ban communist literature and behave in a very Macarthy-esque manner. Because they can't afford not to. They have N. Korea and China staring at them 24/7 looking for any excuse to attack. When push comes to shove S. Korea cannot afford to suffer any weaknesses in their resolve due to internal commie drama.

Sure. But it doesn't change the essential fact that he's brainwashed.

I don't see why hating communism makes you brainwashed, the same can be said about liking communism.

It doesn't - it's the fact that he doesn't actually understand what communism IS yet hates it with a flaming passion, and when taught, his brain refuses to accept the information. That's what makes him brainwashed.

 

[sinkoman]

It doesn't - it's the fact that he doesn't actually understand what communism IS yet hates it with a flaming passion, and when taught, his brain refuses to accept the information. That's what makes him brainwashed.

Kinda reminds you of the Drug War, eh?

 

[Kitfox]

I don't see why hating communism makes you brainwashed, the same can be said about liking communism.

Ever wondered why its always the people who have personally faced communism, or have family that have faced it that hate it the most? Could it be they have actual experience and knowledge on the subject? It always seems to me that the people who like communism either have 0 experience with it or are on the commie payroll.

Besides, South Korea has a very damn good reason to ban communist literature and behave in a very Macarthy-esque manner. Because they can't afford not to. They have N. Korea and China staring at them 24/7 looking for any excuse to attack. When push comes to shove S. Korea cannot afford to suffer any weaknesses in their resolve due to internal commie drama.

My family and I lived in communist Poland.

 

[15357]

Sure. But it doesn't change the essential fact that he's brainwashed.


It doesn't - it's the fact that he doesn't actually understand what communism IS yet hates it with a flaming passion, and when taught, his brain refuses to accept the information. That's what makes him brainwashed.

You're wrong there. I understand completely what communism is. Simply put, its an ideology of shared property, with

 

[sinkoman]

You're wrong there. I understand completely what communism is. Simply put, its an ideology of shared property, with

You know how I can tell you copy pasted that?

Well, it was the

 

[15357]

Could you guys hold judgement for a few hours? I need to find the thing that I typed and saved. I'll post it a bit later, explaning everything about the NSL and ect.

You know how I can tell you copy pasted that?

Lol, I didn't copy paste it. I typed it myself. But I just pressed post after with because I ran out of ideas.

 

[Core407]

The problem with communism is that it's too perfect.

On paper everything works out, but once you apply it to the real world, you soon realize that it's something that cannot be done.

 

[Geogaddi]

Lol, I didn't copy paste it. I typed it myself. But I just pressed post after with because I ran out of ideas.

Doesn't that pretty much prove the fact that you don't know much about it?

 

[15357]

Go read other thread.