2 more states ban gay marriage

abconners said:
we have some funny shit flying back and forth between us but it is all in good humor.
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So you care to respond to my earlier post about Biblical teachings?
 
I'm not christian...but I believe in god.I was raised christian tho...so don't try to pull that shit on me. ;)
 
You know...i'm sensing a lot of TENSION in this thread...maybe some anger...huh, guys? how ya feelin' there, guys? ya want a sooooda?
 
abconners said:
Right, they were masons, who reject God and all his ways. but the declaration of independence still says we are "one nation under God" whether the founding fathers were christian or not. but that is a whole different Masonic conspiracy topic that we could discuss for days on end.
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The declaration of independence doesn't control our country.

Also, see my above post please.
 
Dude, the dark ages were called the darkages for a reason. they were dark, disease ridden, and unappealing. it was the shitty age as one might say. but before the dark ages was the Roman empire, who was saved because of christianity. when it fell, the world fell with it.
 
Neutrino said:
The declaration of independence doesn't control our country.

Also, see my above post please.
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I know the declaration doesn;t, we do. But our country is still rational enough to see that Gay marriage is something that is detestable and should be looked down upon.
 
woo..*wipes sweat beads off his forehead

Anyone need a towel..or some water?

You guys think you can last any more rounds?
:imu: :imu:
 
P-Lo said:
woo..*wipes sweat beads off his forehead

Anyone need a towel..or some water?

You guys think you can last any more rounds?
:imu: :imu:
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cut me, P-Lo, cut me, i can't see
 
abconners said:
Down with homosexuality. Long live hetrosexuality.
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Sucky sucky?5 dolla?Me wuv you long time...
 
abconners said:
I know the declaration doesn;t, we do. But our country is still rational enough to see that Gay marriage is something that is detestable and should be looked down upon.
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Rational? Keep telling yourself that. It's still going to win out in the end, just like every other liberal social movement in US history.

You're also ignoring my other point. I'd like to hear what you have to say about my posts on the Bible and gays.

abconners said:
Down with homosexuality. Long live hetrosexuality.
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It won't happen, sorry to tell you.
 
He_Who_Is_Steve said:
cut me, P-Lo, cut me, i can't see
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/me 'takes care of Steve

Just keep on keepin on! Stick with the jabs son! Now get out there. :imu:
 
This thread is flamebait, you have almost every poster saying they won't change their mind even if proof is presented. Why did you post this at all if you have already decided where you stand on the issue and tell yourself and others you won't change your mind? Are you just trying to flame people who are against gay marriage and preach your sociologically superior bullshit at them without fear of retort?

If you're going to spew out shit like this at least be open to hearing other views on the subject. I don't approve of gay marriage but that doesn't mean I *hate* or dislike the people who practice gay sex, so long as they don't interfere with me.

Marriage is an institution, founded by the church. When you try to snatch away the church's concepts and beliefs and give them to a group of people who don't respect their "laws" then you're basically taking their religion and spitting on it.

Equal rights as everyone yes, "Marriage" as in the actual word and ceremony NO. You can visit your loved ones whoever they are, get their benefits and all the same crap as married couple but when you try to take a Christian belief and make a mockery of it that's going too far, and you better expect resistance because this isn't stuff people take lightly.

Who's to say the guy who has a willing relationship with a 15 year old (and him being 30 let's say) shouldn't get the right to marry her too? What makes what he does wrong and what makes gayness right? Who draws the line?

All of this reeks of hypocrisy...
 
With the under god doesn't mean it was your God post, this may be true. but I believe, as most others do, that the God that the Declaration speaks of is the one and true God of Abraham and Issac.
 
Tr0n said:
Damn homophobes are so funny.
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You provide a compelling argument, we should all listen to your superior wisdom.
 
Is there any chance of a filibuster in this thread?
 
As with agnosticism and athiesm, these religions are apathetic. they aren't willing to put faith in something, so they believe in nothing. But im sure they would believe in God if they saw a mericle or something.
 
Rico said:
You provide a compelling argument, we should all listen to your superior wisdom.
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Well they are, if you have the view of a non-homophobe. *says the obvious
 
As with agnosticism and athiesm, these religions are apathetic. they aren't willing to put faith in something, so they believe in nothing. But im sure they would believe in God if they saw a miracle or something.
 
Rico said:
You provide a compelling argument, we should all listen to your superior wisdom.
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Maybe you should and you wouldn't spew a bunch of fundamentalist bullshit.
 
It isn't the people, it is the practice. All people can change. Im sure almost all homosexuals look back on their life and realize that they made a huge mistake by practicing such a deplorable act.
 
Rico said:
This thread is flamebait, you have almost every poster saying they won't change their mind even if proof is presented. Why did you post this at all if you have already decided where you stand on the issue and tell yourself and others you won't change your mind? Are you just trying to flame people who are against gay marriage and preach your sociologically superior bullshit at them without fear of retort?
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I'm open to evidence. But nobody has ever provided any (un biased) against gays.

Rico said:
If you're going to spew out shit like this at least be open to hearing other views on the subject. I don't approve of gay marriage but that doesn't mean I *hate* or dislike the people who practice gay sex, so long as they don't interfere with me.
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Good to hear.

Rico said:
Marriage is an institution, founded by the church. When you try to snatch away the church's concepts and beliefs and give them to a group of people who don't respect their "laws" then you're basically taking their religion and spitting on it.
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Guess what? There is more than one church. Marrige is not owned by any single religion. This is why legal marriage is secular, not religious. For example I'm an atheist, yet I can marry. Again, legal marriage has nothing to do with religion. Also, no one is forcing churches to perform gay marriages. Your church is free to not support it. But when interfere with other churches who do support it you are indeed spitting on their religion.

Rico said:
Equal rights as everyone yes, "Marriage" as in the actual word and ceremony NO. You can visit your loved ones whoever they are, get their benefits and all the same crap as married couple but when you try to take a Christian belief and make a mockery of it that's going too far, and you better expect resistance because this isn't stuff people take lightly.
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Not that you will pay attention, but I say again, marriage is not solely a Christian institution. Don't pretend that your church has some sort of ownership of it.

Rico said:
Who's to say the guy who has a willing relationship with a 15 year old (and him being 30 let's say) shouldn't get the right to marry her too? What makes what he does wrong and what makes gayness right? Who draws the line?

All of this reeks of hypocrisy...
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Ah yes, the old pedophilia argument. That isn't new you know and it's easily refuted. It has nothing to do with gay marriage. Gay marriage is between two consenting adults, the situation you describe is not. One has nothing to do with the other. There are valid psychological reasons underage children should not be allowed to marry. They are not mature adults yet. You're comparing apples to oranges.

abconners said:
As with agnosticism and athiesm, these religions are apathetic. they aren't willing to put faith in something, so they believe in nothing. But im sure they would believe in God if they saw a mericle or something.
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Atheism is not really a religion. Religion is defined as a belief in the supernatural. Also, what some call apathetic, I call realistic.

abconners said:
It isn't the people, it is the practice. All people can change. Im sure almost all homosexuals look back on their life and realize that they made a huge mistake by practicing such a deplorable act.
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Hahaha...sorry, but you make me laugh. You don't know any homosexuals do you? But of course your an authority on them right?
 
Who says I'm a homophobe? You people like to make a lot of assumptions even though none of you know me, tell me, what makes a person a "homophobe" since you like to throw that term around quite often?

Reverse racism is quite fun isn't it? Maybe I should just call you a racist because you're insulting me, and I'm of South American origin. It's fun to throw labels on people right?

You obviously don't understand sarcasm, either provide me with a reasonable answer refuting my claims or shut your mouth and reply to someone else's posts.
 
abconners said:
AIDS>
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AIDS? What about it? AIDS affects both heterosexuals as well as homosexuals. It's true that anal sex is slightly more dangerious than vaginal sex when it comes to the disease, but that is not evidence against gays. Also, what about lesbians?
 
Rico said:
Who says I'm a homophobe? You people like to make a lot of assumptions even though none of you know me, tell me, what makes a person a "homophobe" since you like to throw that term around quite often?

Reverse racism is quite fun isn't it? Maybe I should just call you a racist because you're insulting me, and I'm of South American origin. It's fun to throw labels on people right?

You obviously don't understand sarcasm, either provide me with a reasonable answer refuting my claims or shut your mouth and reply to someone else's posts.
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Yeah, just because you are against gay sex doesn't mean you are homophobic.
 
Neutrino, who says the child hasn't matured and doesn't know what she's doing?

Maturity isn't something you acquire with age, it's acquired through experiences. This is why you see so many 30 year old morons running around the internet and the world in general, because even though they're 30, they haven't matured yet.

It's really a groundless assumption that everyone matures at 18. Did you know that people used to marry teenagers under 18 back in the old days? Gay relationships were also quite common then, who says what's right and what's wrong? The guy with the gun says so, the person with power. Right now the people are voting for gay marriage bans, this means the majority of them are against it so really, you're in the wrong and they're in the right no matter how you paint it. You're the ones in the wrong mindset because "normality" is defined by the majority. You can't claim being normal if you have 4 arms and 1 leg can you?

You see where I'm going with this?
 
Rico said:
Neutrino, who says the child hasn't matured and doesn't know what she's doing?

Maturity isn't something you acquire with age, it's acquired through experiences. This is why you see so many 30 year old morons running around the internet and the world in general, because even though they're 30, they haven't matured yet.

It's really a groundless assumption that everyone matures at 18. Did you know that people used to marry teenagers under 18 back in the old days? Gay relationships were also quite common then, who says what's right and what's wrong? The guy with the gun says so, the person with power. Right now the people are voting for gay marriage bans, this means the majority of them are against it so really, you're in the wrong and they're in the right no matter how you paint it. You're the ones in the wrong mindset because "normality" is defined by the majority. You can't claim being normal if you have 4 arms and 1 leg can you?

You see where I'm going with this?
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Screw the majority.They can kiss my white alabama ass!Thats where rebels like us come into play...we break that "mindset"... ;)
 
Rico said:
Neutrino, who says the child hasn't matured and doesn't know what she's doing?
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Psychologists, backed up by scientific evidence.

Rico said:
Maturity isn't something you acquire with age, it's acquired through experiences. This is why you see so many 30 year old morons running around the internet and the world in general, because even though they're 30, they haven't matured yet.

It's really a groundless assumption that everyone matures at 18. Did you know that people used to marry teenagers under 18 back in the old days?
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While it's true you can't set an exact age on maturity by any means, you have to set an age somewhere. The whole pedophilia argument is pathetic in my opinion.

Rico said:
Gay relationships were also quite common then, who says what's right and what's wrong? The guy with the gun says so, the person with power. Right now the people are voting for gay marriage bans, this means the majority of them are against it so really, you're in the wrong and they're in the right no matter how you paint it. You're the ones in the wrong mindset because "normality" is defined by the majority. You can't claim being normal if you have 4 arms and 1 leg can you?

You see where I'm going with this?
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Do I see where your going with it? I'm afraid I do. You want to get rid of democracy in this country and form a state religion. That's how it appears atleast.

Question: Do you know what a democracy is and how our country works? Elections are decided by the majority. Individuals' equality and freedoms are not. This is why we have the constitution.

I'm wrong because I'm on the side of the minority? Hmm, that's funny. So I take it you support slavery then? You must also be against women suffrage too. See I always thought slavery was bad and the right for women to vote was good. But I must be wrong by your logic. But alright, I see the errors of my ways. I call for an amendment to the constitution to set these things right and bring back slavery and again oppress women!



You heard it here people! Join rico and I as we fight to bring back racism and gender oppression. Fight the good fight!
 
wow I go off for two hours and a half and there are ten pages (which is expected).

I didn't read all the pages but I will reply to CptStern's post on the 3rd page.

I read this article http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A23722-2001Feb18 top to bottom, I found nothing that resembels an evidence in it. just a regular article.
on the contrary, the article suggests that gays do have bisexual affairs, and that not all scientists believe in the gay gene.

let alone that I don't believe in evolution, which should be obvious. :)

anyway, I googled "Gay gene" and got a website (apparently about homosexuality, or porbably against the aceptance of it), http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html saying "There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is simply "genetic." And none of the research claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do, when speaking in sound bites to the public."
sounds so true to me. but anyway, I don't know that website and I'm not gonna tell you to look at it, because maybe if I look at it some more I will dismiss it. but it's probably a good place if you want to read counter-arguments and counter-opinion.

it also seems to me that these researches that try to find the gay gene are already set on the beliefe that this gene exist and are just trying to find it.

why don't you try this experiment: for a week, or even a month, keep away from straigh sex, and stick to gay sex. What I mean is, stop looking at naked girls etc .. and try to look at naked men instead ..
it also helps if you put yourself in panic mode "omg am I gay or not? no no .. I can't be!! oh nooo! maybe I am!! on nooos!!111" I think it's called obsessive compulsive disease. OCD.

I'm pretty sure after a while you will feel a little more attracted to same-sex.
doesn't mean you will turn gay. I'm not an expert but I think you would need a whole longer to actually want to have sex with males.

the google search also returned this BBC article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/325979.stm
There is no evidence for the "gay gene", a study claims to have found.
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If someone was found to be born gay, it would be a case of someone born with an illness, doesn't make it normal or natural, it's still an illness.

btw, gayness can be cured, just like any other psychological disease.
even if you think gaynes is normal think about this: if you can turn a straight into a gay, then similarily a gay can be turned to straight.
 
Rico said:
Who says I'm a homophobe? You people like to make a lot of assumptions even though none of you know me, tell me, what makes a person a "homophobe" since you like to throw that term around quite often?

Reverse racism is quite fun isn't it? Maybe I should just call you a racist because you're insulting me, and I'm of South American origin. It's fun to throw labels on people right?

You obviously don't understand sarcasm, either provide me with a reasonable answer refuting my claims or shut your mouth and reply to someone else's posts.
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Who said you were a homophobe? I was simply stating the obvious serious answer to your obvious sarcastic remark. If that was pointed at me, then those sentences are flawed. btw, I'm mexican.
 
This conversation is fantastic!

I think gay people are wonderful. They are extremely intelligent and are very open and honest, something that isn't around much anymore.

But I disagree about atheism not being a religion. I think both atheism and agnosticism are religions. I am agnostic and the reason i know it is a religion because i believe that there may or may not be a god. Isn't that what religion is about? Holding true to something you believer? Some people have other religions. Bulimics or aneorexics have a religion too. They believe in "perfection". Sure you may not see these as organized religions but they don't have to be.
 
mortey said:
This conversation is fantastic!

I think gay people are wonderful. They are extremely intelligent and are very open and honest, something that isn't around much anymore.

But I disagree about atheism not being a religion. I think both atheism and agnosticism are religions. I am agnostic and the reason i know it is a religion because i believe that there may or may not be a god. Isn't that what religion is about? Holding true to something you believer? Some people have other religions. Bulimics or aneorexics have a religion too. They believe in "perfection". Sure you may not see these as organized religions but they don't have to be.
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It depends on the person really. Some atheists are probably religious in a technical sense and others are not.

It comes down to the fact there is a difference between believing there is no god and not believing there is a god. The first one is a belief, the second one is not.
 
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