30 second anti-Bush ads.

[Mr.Reak]

"your" system? i see lots of you's and your's there, are you not american or something? and yes, the electoral college is a good thing - it prevents dumbasses from being elected

Nope, not an American, YET. Another 3 years until I get citizenship, to which I look forward. I wonder what kind of test they will make me do? Name all states? Because I sure don’t remember them all

So ghost, to me, electoral college says “people are stupid, they don’t know what they are doing”.

 

[ductonius]

You live in a complex world now, we are beyond Middle Ages, where people hated each other and were ready to take over the land by force.

As far as I know, none of that stuff stopped during the end of the middle ages. In fact, all that crap continues in Europe and the rest of the world to this very day.

The constant of human history is war, what makes you think it has changed?

Everything you do now, affects everyone. UN is not your mother, but you are not a ruler of the world either.

No, but the US is the worlds defacto police force. Who else has the capability to rush troops to anywhere in the world within a week?

 

[Dedalus]

As far as I know, none of that stuff stopped during the end of the middle ages. In fact, all that crap continues in Europe and the rest of the world to this very day.

The constant of human history is war, what makes you think it has changed?



No, but the US is the worlds defacto police force. Who else has the capability to rush troops to anywhere in the world within a week?

to your first point i'll say there are about 5% of the world's countries who are still like that. europe isn't a backwards still running on steam engine place you know.

to your second point there are more than a few nations who can rush troops to anywhere around the world. it's just that they choose not to.

 

[Korgoth]

Ok one more:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/warningmemo020516.html

White House officials acknowledged that U.S. intelligence officials informed President Bush weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks that bin Laden's terrorist network might try to hijack American planes, and that information prompted administration officials to issue a private warning to transportation officials and national security agencies

(damn that took a while i hope my other post doesn't get ignored )

 

[ComradeBadger]

Excuse me people. But cut the flaming, or I'll step in.

I love populist politics

It really doesn't help that being anti-Bush is cool.. I know some of you have genuine reasons for disliking him.

Ask yourself these questions:

The women of Afgahnistan can show their faces, and have rights. And that must be a bad thing.?

The people of Iraq now no longer fear arbitrary arrest and torture. Now, I think thats a bad thing too?

Oh, and the UN is a nice happy idea, but a terrible one anyway...

 

[gh0st]

unfortunately im at school so ill answer as many as i can despite the retarded filters they have here (mostly coming out of my head)

Before becoming vice-president, Cheney headed Haliburton, one the world's largest energy development
companies. Haliburton last week was in the news on allegations it may have overcharged for activities it was
hired to perform as part of the Iraq reconstruction.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Supreme Court has agreed to hear Vice President Dick Cheney's challenge to a court ruling
that would force him to disclose details of meetings between his energy policy task force and the industry.

he used to head haliburton... i dont see the connection now. he has very few motives for doing something like that, not to mention 1) nothing is proved 2) haliburton has the huge task of feeding the thousands of troops in iraq, and is doing a fine job of that, providing them with a full thanksgiving dinner, etc.

U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of
delivering chemical agents. Inspectors recently turned up 16 of them, despite Iraq's recent declaration
denying their existence. Saddam Hussein has not accounted for the remaining 29,984 of these prohibited
munitions. He has given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

even if theres 1, thats still enough to destroy a large american city. 16 cities destroyed? even if a third hit their targets, its a devastating attack.

Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans, this time armed by Saddam
Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day
of horror like none we have ever known.

this is a reason for NOT going into iraq? think you just proved my point, thanks.

Many economists, and many Democrats, have questioned the wisdom of the dividend tax cuts,
which will not take effect soon enough to influence the economy this side of an election, and will
disproportionately benefit the rich.

never heard of a democrat questioning a republican president... contrary to popular belief, not all republicans are rich southern slave owners (though a few of them are )

sorry thats all i have for now, ill respond to the rest when i get home

 

[Mr.Reak]

As far as I know, none of that stuff stopped during the end of the middle ages. In fact, all that crap continues in Europe and the rest of the world to this very day.

The constant of human history is war, what makes you think it has changed?



No, but the US is the worlds defacto police force. Who else has the capability to rush troops to anywhere in the world within a week?

And spend how many billions on it? You know, USA doesn’t have limitless budget.
Plus thinking like that doesn’t help at all. Nazi Germany was the most powerful country in Europe, and we know how this ended.

I know war is our nature, but it doesn’t make it any good. I supported war in Afghanistan, but war in Iraq seems to be based on lies.

 

[gh0st]

And spend how many billions on it? You know, USA doesn’t have limitless budget.
Plus thinking like that doesn’t help at all. Nazi Germany was the most powerful country in Europe, and we know how this ended.

I know war is our nature, but it doesn’t make it any good. I supported war in Afghanistan, but war in Iraq seems to be based on lies.

i would be in support of spending any number of dollars securing myself against terrorists.

 

[waedoe]

Nope, not an American, YET. Another 3 years until I get citizenship, to which I look forward. I wonder what kind of test they will make me do? Name all states? Because I sure don’t remember them all

So ghost, to me, electoral college says “people are stupid, they don’t know what they are doing”.

^ i personally hope that you dont get a citeznship. that way i dont have to share my country with your ideals . Further more, its dip shits like you that make the world intersting. Keep your green card and dont comment about "OUR" system until you get your green card ass, a real citeznship.

 

[Dedalus]

unfortunately im at school so ill answer as many as i can despite the retarded filters they have here (mostly coming out of my head)

he used to head haliburton... i dont see the connection now. he has very few motives for doing something like that, not to mention 1) nothing is proved 2) haliburton has the huge task of feeding the thousands of troops in iraq, and is doing a fine job of that, providing them with a full thanksgiving dinner, etc.

even if theres 1, thats still enough to destroy a large american city. 16 cities destroyed? even if a third hit their targets, its a devastating attack.

this is a reason for NOT going into iraq? think you just proved my point, thanks.

never heard of a democrat questioning a republican president... contrary to popular belief, not all republicans are rich southern slave owners (though a few of them are )

sorry thats all i have for now, ill respond to the rest when i get home

boy i'm glad i was sitting down and i had my popcorn...same for wadoe's post. how old are you fellas? do you watch jerry springer much?

 

[gh0st]

whats wrong with my post?

 

[Mr.Reak]

^ i personally hope that you dont get a citeznship. that way i dont have to share my country with your ideals . Further more, its dip shits like you that make the world intersting. Keep your green card and dont comment about "OUR" system until you get your green card ass, a real citeznship.

And idiots like you turn country into… right, into Nazi Germany. Ha, why? Well, you are all, white, blonde and proud.

I am sorry mister, this is USA, not USSR, where you get shot for different opinion. I didn’t know you were a communist. Or maybe you are fascist. Who cares, you sure ARE not an American.

 

[gh0st]

um reak... i believe that ia ctually offered some arguments which you arent responding to.

 

[Dedalus]

whats wrong with my post?

i'll tell you when you get home...

 

[waedoe]

boy i'm glad i was sitting down and i had my popcorn...same for wadoe's post. how old are you fellas? do you watch jerry springer much?

im 15 and loving it. i rly hope i dont get banned for the way i feel. any how i know the green card post was outa line but its the truth. and no im not a nazi. i dont runn around gassing every one

 

[Mr.Reak]

im 15 and loving it. i rly hope i dont get banned for the way i feel. any how i know the green card post was outa line but its the truth. and no im not a nazi. i dont runn around gassing every one

You would, if you had tools.

 

[waedoe]

And idiots like you turn country into… right, into Nazi Germany. Ha, why? Well, you are all, white, blonde and proud.

I am sorry mister, this is USA, not USSR, where you get shot for different opinion. I didn’t know you were a communist. Or maybe you are fascist. Who cares, you sure ARE not an American.

HAIL MEIN FUHRHER, BTW i have brown hair not blonde

 

[Korgoth]

he used to head haliburton... i dont see the connection now. he has very few motives for doing something like that, not to mention 1) nothing is proved 2) haliburton has the huge task of feeding the thousands of troops in iraq, and is doing a fine job of that, providing them with a full thanksgiving dinner, etc.

haha well they don't even do that right then, cuz the turkey was a fake!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A33090-2003Dec3?language=printer

even if theres 1, thats still enough to destroy a large american city. 16 cities destroyed? even if a third hit their targets, its a devastating attack.

Well he does go on to hint that they also have the means to deliver them through missile to America
which again was false, and the ties to al qaeda are false so I don't see the problem, considering every other government on this earth (just about) has these weapons including us here in the US.
What about North Korea? Or maybe Iran, or even *gasp* Syria. If we are doing it for the reasons he
stated why don't we just start another world war, wouldn't that be nice? It would be the only way to
deal equally with the axis of evil.

this is a reason for NOT going into iraq? think you just proved my point, thanks.

again here i was pointing out that ties to saddam and al qaeda are false and nothing more than
tools of fear to convince the american people that war was the only answer.

never heard of a democrat questioning a republican president... contrary to popular belief, not all republicans are rich southern slave owners (though a few of them are )

Well yes it does say democrat but it also say economists, so i tend to believe they know more about
this than me, i'm sure there are democratic rich southern slave owners as well but that wasn't the
point i was going for.

OKAY AND PLEASE! all the little kiddies let the grown ups talk so that we don't have
to result to insults and name calling, some of us are actually enjoying this debate, don't ruin it for the rest please.

 

[gh0st]

hahaha i know i have a tool.

 

[RandomPING]

I was watching some of these advertisements, while i don't really agree with some of the logic for some of them, they're really well done, especially for amature commercials.

 

[Mr.Reak]

and no im not a nazi

HAIL MEIN FUHRHER

uhm? Or is it a joke, played by teenagers in schools now?

 

[Korgoth]

Mr Reak, coming from an American, by all means I wish you the best of luck on your citizenship. And I really hope your view of Americans in general will not be tainted by the immaturities of some. Good luck to you sir, hope all goes well and you enjoy yourself here, its a fun place to live

 

[Javert]

boy i'm glad i was sitting down and i had my popcorn...same for wadoe's post. how old are you fellas? do you watch jerry springer much?

Dedalus,
so far you have proved the Devil's Advocate on this topic, which I don't mind (I even espouse differing opinions).
But calling people twats, immature, and tin-foil hat wearers, when they are providing arguments (some better than others) AND evidence from the media, does not build your case well at all. gh0st does a much better job.
You have thus far taken the position of deflecting, shooting down and criticizing people's opinions.
Do you have your own arguments and supports for Bush, and what are they?
As for what Bush has done so far, later during the campaign trail (summer), I will release George Bush's resume, which some of you may have already seen. It's quite tragic.

(PS: If you cared to know, I'm 18 years of age)

 

[Mr.Reak]

Mr Reak, coming from an American, by all means I wish you the best of luck on your citizenship. And I really hope your view of Americans in general will not be tainted by the immaturities of some. Good luck to you sir, hope all goes well and you enjoy yourself here, its a fun place to live

Actually, they are not. I have a lot of American friends (even more than Russians), and all of them are nice people. Funny thing, I never meet people like waedoe in real life. Maybe because 15 years old scream like that only on internet or maybe because I live in CA.

But thank you As I said, I don’t have any problems with this country, I just don’t like things Bush does. If I hated USA, I sure wouldn’t be living here.

 

[Dedalus]

Dedalus,
so far you have proved the Devil's Advocate on this topic, which I don't mind (I even espouse differing opinions).
But calling people twats, immature, and tin-foil hat wearers, when they are providing arguments (some better than others) AND evidence from the media, does not build your case well at all. gh0st does a much better job.
You have thus far taken the position of deflecting, shooting down and criticizing people's opinions.
Do you have your own arguments and supports for Bush, and what are they?
As for what Bush has done so far, later during the campaign trail (summer), I will release George Bush's resume, which some of you may have already seen. It's quite tragic.

(PS: If you cared to know, I'm 18 years of age)

well for today i've had my fill of twats and frankly i'm sick of it, so the manners go out of the window. it's bad i know but i can't help it. and for the life of me i never accused anyone of going around wearing tin foil hats...

i've never claimed to make a case on this subject. i've made my case so many other times on previous threads so it's a bit of a pain to have to repeat it all, and innervision's articles/proof pretty much sum up how i feel...i thought i made that clear if not apologies.

if someone posts something absurd, ill-informed and immature, they're going to get the same thrown back at them. normally i wouldn't do this but i'm this close to caving someone's head in. is severely dislike human beings.

PS. i couldn't give a monkey's how old you are, i only asked those two because i was going to point out that because they're young they won't remember back far enough to be able to comment on this stuff (and i'm talking going back to Bush senior's reign). :cheers:

 

[ComradeBadger]

I like how everyone ignores my post.

Read my post

And keep it clean, waedo's behaviour nearly prompted a close :/

 

[Anable]

Has anyone read the book "Lies and the lying liars who tell them" by Al Fraken? It's an amazing book and I suggest that everyone go and read it. It pretty much does all of my arguing for me.

 

[Korgoth]

I read your post mr badger! And true, things may be better for those people. I appreciate their right to a free life. But it could have been handled in a more professional multilateral fashion, thus easing the burden on american troops and american taxpayers. And I don't appreciate being fed false pretenses, and fear to be pursuaded

 

[Sprafa]

Bush has authorized and funded ARPA to develop the next generation Nuclear Weapons with 40 billion dollars, a project his father and Clinton disaproved during their mandates.
He also authorized the mass production of the F-22 fighter and aproved the Harrier sucessor F-35 JSF EOTS lockheed-martin-made vertical-takeoff fighter-bomber, 2 projects that were doomed before for being too expensive.

A little too belicist for my taste.

 

[Dedalus]

i did read your post badger, but i got carried away i admit. please don't hit me *cowers*

anyway, reading innervision's post it reminded me of a quote i found to be quite apt for this situation.

"Trick us do we not laugh, prick us do we not bleed, wrong us do we not revenge."

 

[NC|7]

The ads are funny as long as they are in good humor

The only people that hate bush are influenced by the media wich is very negative now adays

Also all of those anti-war protesters are pretty ignorant because war is a part of life, we cant just sit back and let everyone attack us and throw flowers at them, if gore had been elected then saddam would still be torturing people and threatening us

 

[Korgoth]

The ads are funny as long as they are in good humor

The only people that hate bush are influenced by the media wich is very negative now adays

Also all of those anti-war protesters are pretty ignorant because war is a part of life, we cant just sit back and let everyone attack us and throw flowers at them, if gore had been elected then saddam would still be torturing people and threatening us

Its funny you should say that, because what did the "experts" tell us would happen when we rolled into baghdad? They said the iraqis' would "THROW FLOWERS AT US lol, and I could easily say that people who like bush are influenced by the media. But again thats just opinion from both sides not fact (at least not to my knowledge)

War doesn't have to be a part of life. Yes death is inevitable, but murder is not. No
matter how you spin it killing in the name of anything is not something I agree with
and if everyone thought this way (which will never happen of course) then life would be prosperous and enjoyable. But in the great eternal words of snoop dogg and dr dre, there is just to much drama in the LBC

 

[Wilco]

As far as I know, none of that stuff stopped during the end of the middle ages. In fact, all that crap continues in Europe and the rest of the world to this very day.

The constant of human history is war, what makes you think it has changed?



No, but the US is the worlds defacto police force. Who else has the capability to rush troops to anywhere in the world within a week?

Ah but you see this is the problem. You say you are the worlds police force, but you then refuse to answer to the world ( of which the UN is the main forum).

That is what a police force is, it is run by the people it protects. If not, it's just a private army .

 

[bgesley426]

I think its ludicrus to blame the economy's downfall(or rise) on a residing president. Its most likely the president before that caused it, or no president at all. Ever notice how a presidents economy plan is 10 years long despite him only being able to serve 4 years. THen the next presidential canidate wins by saying "His economy system is flawed, try mine!" regardless if the former presidents economy plan wouild work?

Yes Saddam is caught. Yes the majority of Iraqi people are free and glad that their leader was captured and taken. But we never found any weapons. We went in because he had links ot Al Queda(completely false). I'm still finding it hard to believe that we even went to Afghanistan considering that all the hijackers of 9/11 were Saudi Arabians. Saudi Arabians that took flight classes here to learn how to fly those large planes and crash them. You can't blame that on any president or anyone else for that matter. Firstly placing blame doesn't resolve anything. They just used our system against us.

Bush seemed, to me, to go to war because he didn't want the USA to look weak or vulnerable. The war was a message I think. "You crash planes into our towers and kill innocent lives? We'll start a war and bomb the hell out a country. We're boss."

In 4 months Bush turned the ENTIRE worlds sympathy after 9/11 against us. We had everyone's help but in a few months there isn't a country out there that won't scold us.

I don't think the movies were "in good humor" I think they were more PSA.(Public service Annoncements) But hey they are just movies.

Yes Dedalus you're right, it was Stalin that said that. Funny how it sounds almost exactly the same as what Bush said.

 

[Sprafa]

I've got a plan to demoralize the planet's 1st world population so that I'm not the only one that knows. It is in invisible ink so people who don't want to read it, just don't select it.


It is quite simple - it is possible today to hire a significant amount of mercenaries in the Web. If the money is enough many of them can agree to assasinate a celeb. I mean idiot celebs that give meaningless messages to our youth and always say - this is my most personal\best\greatest movie\album\book like J.K. Rowling; Britney Spears;Avril Lavigne; Limp Bizkit; and most of rock\popstars. Even some Tv presenters maybe. If at least 200 of this kind of people is killed the world would be free of them, all off them would start thinking about the world. And when that happened, i would personnaly make a call to autorities to pick me up that I had been responsible. When they sent task forces I would release chemical agents obtained from some under-paid russian cientist in the air exterminating 1 000 000 people in a few hours. And one person would change the world.

For those that read that I just want to say - if I can do that does the wars in Afghenistan and Iraq changed the terrorist possibities of a kid with 2 000 000 dollars in a bank. NO. And there are many of us. So beware.

This is my point to hate Mr. George Walker Bush, president of the most powerful nation ever but still afraid to do what he has to do.

 

[waedoe]

Actually, they are not. I have a lot of American friends (even more than Russians), and all of them are nice people. Funny thing, I never meet people like waedoe in real life. Maybe because 15 years old scream like that only on internet or maybe because I live in CA.

But thank you As I said, I don’t have any problems with this country, I just don’t like things Bush does. If I hated USA, I sure wouldn’t be living here.

To bad your not here illegally .... then you would have support for bush and his new immigrant laws.

 

[Sandman]

TRIVIA: Who said: "If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves. "

I have no idea... but I saw the quote in Call of Duty

 

[ComradeBadger]

Right, I'm serious, I don't like to keep butting in with warnings

Please... keep the flames to a minimum

 

[Murray_H]

Some of those ads are clever, but if there is one thing i hate its when little kid's voices are used. I just hate it!

 

[ductonius]

to your first point i'll say there are about 5% of the world's countries who are still like that. europe isn't a backwards still running on steam engine place you know.

No, but its still a place full of bigotry and where might makes right. Heard of Serbia? Nice peaceful place where people love each other.....oh wait....it isnt.

This is not to mention the fact that many French newspapers would be concidered anti-semitic in Canada.

IN addition, I cant recall the last politically motivated assaination in either Canada or the US, but there have been in Sweeden and Holland in the last three years.

Also, the rather large number of terrorist organizations native to Europe that are currently operating.

Humans have progressed beyond nothing.

to your second point there are more than a few nations who can rush troops to anywhere around the world. it's just that they choose not to.

The point still stands in any case. If they are unwilling to and the US is, the US ends up being the worlds police force.