Black Mesa

[Spike]

I think that you should return to black Mesa, maybe by mistake a teleport takes you to the wrong place?

 

[Ennui]

I think you should STOP MAKING WORTHLESS POLLS.

 

[WacK]

I think that you should return to black Mesa, maybe by mistake a teleport takes you to the wrong place?

yeah could be cool.. but not for aftermath.. better for HL:3

 

[Angry Lawyer]

There's nothing left of Black Mesa but a huge, radioactive crater. Not the best of settings.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Dalamari]

I think you should STOP MAKING WORTHLESS POLLS.

Ditto.

Now please go disconnect from the internet

 

[Asknoone]

I think that you should return to black Mesa, maybe by mistake a teleport takes you to the wrong place?

Thirded. Follow Dalamari's advice, please.

Black Mesa is a crater.

 

[Spike]

i know Gman set that bomb to blow it all up BUT bits may survive? You should go back and meet those tentacle aliens again.

 

[Asknoone]

i know Gman set that bomb to blow it all up BUT bits may survive? You should go back and meet those tentacle aliens again.

A nulcear bomb.

http://users.aber.ac.uk/rbh/srg/nuclear_explosion.jpg

http://www.projectpeacemakers.org/red nuclear explosion.jpg

http://www.staticfiends.com/galleries/government_galleries/BOOM.jpg

Black Mesa is gone. Its nothing but a crater. Nothing could have survived, besides, you might see the tentacles in Xen again...or during the portal storms. But either way no more black mesa.

 

[ríomhaire]

Eli: We're going back to Black Mesa Gordon
Gordon: ................
Eli: Here we are
HEV: Hazardous radiation levels detected
Eli: AHHHH, AHHHHH, AHHHHH!
Gordon: ................
HEV: You are dead, ha, ha, ha.

 

[Kitfox]

If I recall Op4 correctly then the nuclear bomb was set off on the surface. Black Mesa goes down multiple levels underground. Some areas were bound to surivive.

 

[ríomhaire]

If I recall Op4 correctly then the nuclear bomb was set off on the surface. Black Mesa goes down multiple levels underground. Some areas were bound to surivive.

So you want to walk down half-destroyed, radioactive corridors which are pitch-black because they are underground and there is no elecricity and no ventalation?

 

[Kitfox]

False we can hypothesys millions of scenerios. For example an crtitcal object was recovered from Xen that can shut down combine teleportation once and for all. Unfortuantly it lies at the heart of the destroyed black mesa facility. You mission is to recover the object by powering up th facility from the multiple power stations underground (ie the first time we meet the Gargantuan is one of them) and recover this need object. The destroyed areas of blackmesa would be easily cleared away with the new and improved gravity gun. Since in OP for it was evident that the Xen habitat was leaking onto earth we may or may not find full xenian life hidden in the dark murky areas of the facility etcetra.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Walking through a cloud of radation, with nothing else able to survive it... Sounds like fun.

The reason Gearbox were allowed to blow the Mesa up is because Valve were confident they didn't want to revisit it. And explosions are damn cool.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[DevgruSeal]

Hm..I've never played Op4...Alright..off to revisit Op4 then...

 

[Spike]

who remembers bullsquids? they ate radiation, radiation problem solved....
and maybe black mesacould have become a xenian base and is powered by xen. i liked kitfox's idea about having to go back to black mesa to stop combine teleportation

 

[Angry Lawyer]

The Combine technology, as stated by Mossman, doesn't rely on Xen at all, so it'd make little sense to go back to the Mesa to stop the Combine getting here.

Bullsquids are pretty survivable creatures - they could probably outlive the radiation. However, I don't think anything smarter than it could resist the rads in the air. Assuming they survived the really, really big blast (unlikely).

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Spike]

yeh and they could eat all the radiation and the radiation problem would be solved.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

They didn't "eat" the radiation. They ate Headcrabs. They just liked to wallow in muck, and in Black Mesa, the predominant muck was radioactive glop.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Ownzed]

Yes...

 

[Bob_Marley]

why is every one talking about ONE nuclear bomb? there were loads. all over the facility. remember that big red and white missile shaped thing on the train ride into black mesa? well it may have very well been a nuclear missile. everything in BM is dead, that was sort of the idea of setting off a nuke in a facility full of nukes and or thermo nukes. none of the areas of BM could have survived. in case you dont get my point i dont think going back to a raidoactive crater with a small sighn saying "black mesa research facility" is not a good idea.

 

[Asknoone]

why is every one talking about ONE nuclear bomb? there were loads. all over the facility. remember that big red and white missile shaped thing on the train ride into black mesa? well it may have very well been a nuclear missile. everything in BM is dead, that was sort of the idea of setting off a nuke in a facility full of nukes and or thermo nukes. none of the areas of BM could have survived. in case you dont get my point i dont think going back to a raidoactive crater with a small sighn saying "black mesa research facility" is not a good idea.

The nuclear bomb in Opposing force is the one that people are talking about and the rest...they were just missiles, when you blow one up, it just exploded in a normal fashion that you'd expect any missile to blow up.

 

[UndeadScottsman]

Likewise, if a nuclear explosion hits another nuclear bomb; it just blows it up; it won't set off a chain reaction of nukes.

Plus it wouldn't be that hard to come up with a cheesy McGuffin like Gordon's suit getting upgraded with Combine anti-radiation technology or something.

 

[ReDeemer_]

Maaaaaaaaaaybe ... a time traveling ...

 

[Spike]

Bullsquids DID eat the radioactive gloop. You see them eating it frequently, they can also regurgitate it to spit at you.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Likewise, if a nuclear explosion hits another nuclear bomb; it just blows it up; it won't set off a chain reaction of nukes.

It would probably set off one of the dozens of nuclear and other experimental reactors scattered around the place though. Not to mention gas lines and stockpiled explosives.
Plus, the entire place was already crumbilng because of the resonance cascade.
The place where someone should return is Xen. Not only is it not exploded, but it'd provide much better storyline possibilities, and is the area that most needed a HL2 makeover.

Edit: I've played the game(s) maybe a dozen times, and I have never seen a bullsquid eat the sludge. They eat dead people, and drink water and the blue healing liquid on xen.

And the spit is natural, not radioactive waste. It's an acidic biological toxin.

 

[Danimal]

Bullsquids DID eat the radioactive gloop. You see them eating it frequently, they can also regurgitate it to spit at you.

No.

And no, bullsquids would not survive the blast. Even if they did, there would be no food, no clean water (If they do need to drink it) and the air would be too screwed to breathe.

 

[DevgruSeal]

And there would still be radioactive chemicals in the air that bullsquids could NOT suck up, even if they survived...

 

[Kitfox]

Bullsquids probably don't spit or eat radioactive sludge. But they have proven they can survive in it and even walk on it.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Sitting in a radioactive area is kind of different from having a several megaton nuclear blast hit you. The Bullsquids aren't going to survive that kind of heat.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[UndeadScottsman]

It would probably set off one of the dozens of nuclear and other experimental reactors scattered around the place though. Not to mention gas lines and stockpiled explosives.

I don't think you realize quite what a nuclear blast does; A nuke isn't going to set off a nuclear reactor; it'll destroy it and spread any nuclear material that isn't vaporized out with the rest of the material that the nuke just made radioactive. If a blast is hot enough to destroy the casing surrounding nuclear material, it's going to make mincemeat of the material inside.

Read my lips; no nuclear chain reactions.

And if a nuke is going to set off, say, an normal, everyday missle, then chances are it's already going to do enough damage to the surrounding area that the missle is rather irrelevent. Plus I'm pretty sure the nuclear reaction would destroy the bomb before it could even explode, but my knowledge is a bit more shaky on that.

Also, I should mention that the bomb used in Op4 has a safe distance of 55km; which is a god-damned BIG Nuke. More than likely the entire of BMRF was outright destroyed.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

My point was that the seismic shockwaves and other effects of a nuke could cause enough structural damage and systems failures to an already crippled facility that at least a few of the seemingly hundreds of reactors may have suffered meltdown. Not purely a result of heat. We've all heard of chernobyl. It'd be just like that.

Plus, many of the reactors were experimental, such as the lambda reactor. Who knows what it would take to blow one of those up, let alone the effects the blast would have?

 

[A True Canadian]

Eli: We're going back to Black Mesa Gordon
Gordon: ................
Eli: Here we are
HEV: Hazardous radiation levels detected
Eli: AHHHH, AHHHHH, AHHHHH!
Gordon: ................
HEV: You are dead, ha, ha, ha.

And that's why a return to Black Mesa would be futile. Even with the possibility of reactors or additional nukes going off, the fact remains that the place is heavily radiated. The surface would likely be fine because the explosion triggered underground, but there'd be nothing left inside.

 

[Kitfox]

Would you say the nuke has 55km spherical radius or circular radius. Plus the nuke was set off in a parking garage. Parking garages tend to be closer to the surface rather then deep underground.

 

[A True Canadian]

Would you say the nuke has 55km spherical radius or circular radius. Plus the nuke was set off in a parking garage. Parking garages tend to be closer to the surface rather then deep underground.

Good point. I guess the surface would be irradicated as well. Meaning things would now blow out instead of caving inward.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Why would anybody, especially the G-Man, plant a nuke that wouldn't destroy the entire thing?

Why would anybody, especially Valve, nuke Black Mesa and then suddenly say 'well actually it's not all gone'?

While wandering through the darkened, possibly alien-infested corridors of a post-second-cataclysm black mesa would be pretty cool (thief's cradle anyone?) it would make no sense.

Black Mesa is gone. Get over it.

 

[DevgruSeal]

Just thought of something here..A great idea..maybe a mod idea actually...

Walking through black mesa using nothing but your flashlight (No...not doom3 style) like you did in the Op4 tunnels with those big huge ...emm..i used to know their names...

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Voltigores.

I hated that part of Opposing Force. Seeing nothing but green was painful to my eyes.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Teta_Bonita]

There's nothing left of Black Mesa but a huge, radioactive crater. Not the best of settings.

-Angry Lawyer

actually that would be a f*cking awsome setting, as long as a few parts of the facility are still left.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Walking through a cloud of radation, with nothing else able to survive it... Sounds like fun.

The reason Gearbox were allowed to blow the Mesa up is because Valve were confident they didn't want to revisit it. And explosions are damn cool.

-Angry Lawyer

sure, i have no doubt...but as a gamer, it would be very cool to return to some part of Black Mesa if for nothing else but nostaglia reasons.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

sure, i have no doubt...but as a gamer, it would be very cool to return to some part of Black Mesa if for nothing else but nostaglia reasons.

That's why we have Half-Life: Source, and the few mods trying to revisit it.

-Angry Lawyer