Black Mesa

[Dr. Freeman]

That's why we have Half-Life: Source, and the few mods trying to revisit it.

-Angry Lawyer

right...and im sure they will do a good job but lets give Valve the benefit of the doubt in saying that Valve knows Black Mesa much better than anyone else out there and thats my point

 

[Spike]

Why would anybody, especially the G-Man, plant a nuke that wouldn't destroy the entire thing?

Why would anybody, especially Valve, nuke Black Mesa and then suddenly say 'well actually it's not all gone'?

While wandering through the darkened, possibly alien-infested corridors of a post-second-cataclysm black mesa would be pretty cool (thief's cradle anyone?) it would make no sense.

Black Mesa is gone. Get over it.

I won't get over it, the setting of HL2 sucked badly, HL1 was absolutely amazing, possibly the best game i've ever played, but Hl2 ? Never. Mnay people agree with me, valve needs to have a return to Black Mesa or HL will become less popular. You should DEFINETELY return to that lobby with the large golbe picture which u go to a couple of times in the game or the experiment room.

And to those who said that black mesa would would be completely destroyed...WRONG. BLACK MESA is HUGE!!!!!!! you only go to about 1/70th of it in all the HL games combined!!!!

 

[Spike]

wake up every1 and know what u want, i want BLACK MESA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Max35]

How about Black Mesa in a parellel universe?. Hey, it wouldn't really be that out of place. There is some (if I'm not mistaken) theories forming around the ideas of parellel universes. Or a more simple solution would be that once the humans gain control of Earth again, they build another research facility to serve the same purpose as Black Mesa, but this time they would be on the offensive (using the teleport for military purposes/assaulting other worlds/trying to recapture Xen), not caught unaware like in HL.

 

[Asknoone]

I won't get over it, the setting of HL2 sucked badly, HL1 was absolutely amazing, possibly the best game i've ever played, but Hl2 ? Never. Mnay people agree with me, valve needs to have a return to Black Mesa or HL will become less popular. You should DEFINETELY return to that lobby with the large golbe picture which u go to a couple of times in the game or the experiment room.

And to those who said that black mesa would would be completely destroyed...WRONG. BLACK MESA is HUGE!!!!!!! you only go to about 1/70th of it in all the HL games combined!!!!

No, no and no. HL will not be less popular if there is no return to Black Mesa.

Black Mesa...BOOM.....gone.

 

[Sulkdodds]

the setting of HL2 sucked badly

Well, I thought it was pretty cool. WW2 Stalingrad/Berlin style cityfighting, urban decay, expansive baltic countryside...

And to those who said that black mesa would would be completely destroyed...WRONG. BLACK MESA is HUGE!!!!!!! you only go to about 1/70th of it in all the HL games combined!!!!

Yes. Black Mesa is huge. But even your smallest thermonuclear warhead has a sperical range of just under 30km. I don't think it's quite that big. 1/70th? Considering how much sheer ground you cover in Half-Life alone, I think it's safe to say that for your claim to be true, Black Mesa would literally have to be as big as the entire British Isles.

And answer me this, Spike: why the hell would Valve nuke black mesa and then say to us "actually it wasn't destroyed, just some of it." They wouldn't intentionally make it really obvious that it was destroyed and then say 'ahahah tricked you.'

Have you even played Opposing Force? Seen the big nuke in the back of the truck? Seen the G-Man activate it? Seen the immense flash of light? Heard the G-man say that all the loose ends, including black mesa, have been tied up?

 

[Asknoone]

I think it's safe to say that for your claim to be true, Black Mesa would literally have to be as big as the entire British Isles.

Which we all know is bullshit

 

[Spike]

Have you even played Opposing Force? Seen the big nuke in the back of the truck? Seen the G-Man activate it? Seen the immense flash of light? Heard the G-man say that all the loose ends, including black mesa, have been tied up?

I have Opfor it was cool, i remember the bomb. BUT that bomb was near the surface. Many floors under it would still be there

 

[Spike]

And Black Mesa is not as big as the british Isles but is nonetheless absolutely massive. ANd a lot of experiments involving radioactive materials went on in Black Mesa some rooms would be designed to withstand radiation

 

[Asknoone]

Regardless the bomb was under ground....it would have rippled through the entire complex, destroying supports and structures.

STOP DOUBLE POSTING.

 

[ríomhaire]

But the top would that would have contained the entrances to the lower levels is gone, meaning no access to the lower levels. Plus no power or ventalation due to no power.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Plus, a room cannot be built to withstand a nuclear bomb. A nuclear bomb destroys atoms.

Does the G-Man seem the kind of person to plant a bomb that might not actually destroy the whole place? Does he seem like the kind of person to make mistakes? :|

PS: STOP DOUBLE POSTING. The edit button is your friend.

EDIT: (see?)

Plus no power or ventalation due to no power.

Which reminds me. A nuclear bomb sucks all air into its epicentre...and with no ventilation there'd be no air at all down there even if anything was left.

 

[Asknoone]

We've delivered the smackdown.

EDIT: Along with this glorious edit button.

 

[oldagerocker]

We should never return to BlackMesa. Leave that to half-life and its exansions. Plus, endless corridors wouldnt get any future Half-life fan many new fans... doom3 got boring quick, so would more endless corridors of blackmesa.

Valve need to and are inventing much better environments

 

[pomegranate]

It would be cool to return to Black Mesa, but there is absolutely no way there is anything worthwhile left now. Yes, the facility is massive, but if you think that some of it remains intact, you clearly don't know much about the effects of the forces of a nuclear explosion. Apart from the initial heat blast, the explosion would immediately create a high-magnitude earthquake which would cause geological disruption and structural annihilation of anything underground around BM. Just imagine the effects of several millions tonnes of Mesa shakin its booty on top of your facility.
If you've ever seen footage of underground test detonations of a nuke, you'll know what I'm talking about.
I don't think BM went down that far, I did a bit of mapping and I reckon it had a depth of about 10-15 levels tops, with the rocket test chamber with the Tentacle in it being the lowest areas.

So, with a visit to a post-Incident BM out of the way, all that is left is... A visit before the incident! Yes kids we're talkin' time travel!
Horrid sci-fi cliche aside, we've seen that the G-Man has some control over time, so I think, with care, it could be done without being embarrasing. HL2 always seemed very unreal, dreamy, to me, so as far as I'm concerned they could do almost anything and it wouldn't seem too silly. I'm thinking seeing Black-Mesa reimagined as a bustling, busy facility with tons'a shit going on around... as you (hmm...) take the place of some anonymous scientist and you have to change something crucial in order to defeat the Combine... or the rebellion - depending on who wins your contract... LOLERZ!!: maybe you have to assasinate a young Alyx before she can become the leader of the human resistance against the Machines- ahem I mean the Combine...

 

[Mith']

Plus, a room cannot be built to withstand a nuclear bomb. A nuclear bomb destroys atoms.

Uh... Since when?

Some parts may have survived, but the ways down there would probably have been sealed off due to the blast..

 

[Max35]

So, with a visit to a post-Incident BM out of the way, all that is left is... A visit before the incident! Yes kids we're talkin' time travel!

Actually, I think I mentioned that earlier in the thread (wait, it was the parellel universe theory). Well, on a different note anyone hear of "Space-time?" a theory in which the universe keeps a record of all past and future events?. So, maybe there are "Time bubbles", and Gordon can select a destination from his own personal stream of time (ie, before the Black Mesa incident). But, if he chooses someone else's stream of time, it decays and warps and the present erupts in chaos.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Actually, I think I mentioned that earlier in the thread (wait, it was the parellel universe theory). Well, on a different note anyone hear of "Space-time?" a theory in which the universe keeps a record of all past and future events?. So, maybe there are "Time bubbles", and Gordon can select a destination from his own personal stream of time (ie, before the Black Mesa incident). But, if he chooses someone else's stream of time, it decays and warps and the present erupts in chaos.

or it could be something as simple as "flashbacks" even tho there haven't been any so far in the HL series.
Valve are creative people who like to do new things in games...and since they haven't done a "flashback" it would be something new for them to try...its not out of the realm of possibility.

 

[Sulkdodds]

A nuclear bomb destroys atoms.

Uh... Since when?

Since they invented the A-bomb?


Basically, it would actually be really really really cool to go back to Black Mesa, some part of it long sealed off underground...but I just don't think it's going to happen. Mainly because if it was, Valve wouldn't have allowed Gearbox to nuke it!

If Valve had wanted a return to Black Mesa, they would have left it alone. A return to Black Mesa when it hadn't been nuked would be like that - dark tunnels, long since forgotten, etc etc. But they let Gearbox atomise it. Somehow, I doubt we'll be going back.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

If Valve had wanted a return to Black Mesa, they would have left it alone. A return to Black Mesa when it hadn't been nuked would be like that - dark tunnels, long since forgotten, etc etc. But they let Gearbox atomise it. Somehow, I doubt we'll be going back.

oh bleh :hmph:
just admit it, u just want to make those of us cranky who want to see Black Mesa again

 

[Spike]

u should still return and Gman does make mistakes...... he is a weird character. I always had an idea that in the last level of the LAST half-life, Gman would suddenely send u back in time to black Mesa to do everything correctly. Just after defeating a combine base or something gman teleports you back to that ever so famous tram you go in in the start of HL1 and everything is the same as it was the first time. The game then ends when the tram stops and barney says hi.

i think that would be the best ending valve could do and if it happened i would spend a million years screaming about how good it was. it would be a massive step forward for valve. In short it would be an IMMENSE ending!!!!!!! Who agrees?

 

[Asknoone]

I don't agree, its a stupid idea and Gman can't transport you back in time...thats a lame idea, something Valve simply wouldn't do...it contradicts the entire series.

And your double post spamming nonsense has been reported. Have a nice day.

 

[W4E]

I always thought that op4 didnt have any effect on the half-life series, IE, no race-X..

Time travel would be cool, but i dont see valve going there. Bit of a cliche

 

[Asknoone]

I always thought that op4 didnt have any effect on the half-life series, IE, no race-X..

Time travel would be cool, but i dont see valve going there. Bit of a cliche

I concur, time travel is a pretty poor idea, super cliche. Also, OP4 did have an affect, its been confirmed - Race x exists etc, its just they won't be continued.

 

[Max35]

Alright, there's been an increasing amount "going back to black mesa" threads. So, to cure the insanity, I'm going to create a fanfic based on the idea. And for all you who are worried about cliche, don't worry, it won't contain time travel in the slightest.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Cure the insanity? If your fanfic is any good, it'll provoke even more people to want to go back there!

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Max35]

Cure the insanity? If your fanfic is any good, it'll provoke even more people to want to go back there!

-Angry Lawyer

Was that an implied challenge?, hehe

Oh, and the "cure the insanity" comment was mildly sarcastic, just a lame excuse for me to create a fanfic about going back to black mesa.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Fanfics don't need excuses; just a creative mind and lots of alcohol.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Sulkdodds]

Alcohol. Yes.

 

[Spike]

I'm not double posting

and since when was i a newbie??????
whoever did this is a gay IM NOT A NEWBIE!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sulkdodds]

Calm down, man. It's just a bug, happens all the time.

I'm not double posting

Good.

ON TOPIC: I mean, basically, the thing is, Valve nuked black mesa. They showed us a scene where Black Mesa disapeared in a blinding flash of light. If they didn't want us to assume that it was completely and utterly atomised, why would they show that to us? Answer: they wouldn't.

 

[Asknoone]

Calm down, man. It's just a bug, happens all the time.

He's had his post count rest

 

[ComradeBadger]

I'm not double posting

and since when was i a newbie??????
whoever did this is a gay IM NOT A NEWBIE!!!!!!!!!!!!

On the contrary..

 

[Asknoone]

On the contrary..

Rofl Badger owned!

 

[Chris D]

I'm not double posting

and since when was i a newbie??????
whoever did this is a gay IM NOT A NEWBIE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually, yes you were double posting. And triple posting. But myself and other moderators kept having to go back and merge your posts into one. After about the fifth incident of it in a day, I decided to reset your post count as you obviously seem to want to inflate that as you obviously seem very concerned about whether you're a "Newbie", "Member" or "Senior Member".

Additionally, not that it matters, I'm not a homosexual so I'm not sure where you came to the conclusion that I'm "a gay".

And, yes, you are a Newbie. You've only been here a month.

 

[Lamer]

the final boss in half life 3 shuld be fought in black mesa

before that g-man shuld say something like "it's time mr. freeman,.... time to go... where all has begun" *using creepy voice* than you get teleported and metal music starts playing in the backround- all u get it some sort of über crowbar which you use for defeating the synth who is in command of the force attacking earth

 

[Asknoone]

the final boss in half life 3 shuld be fought in black mesa

before that g-man shuld say something like "it's time mr. freeman,.... time to go... where all has begun" *using creepy voice* than you get teleported and metal music starts playing in the backround- all u get it some sort of über crowbar which you use for defeating the synth who is in command of the force attacking earth

No. Not back in time.

 

[Bob_Marley]

No time travel, no black mesa! You dont just set off a 5 magaton thermonuke and then say 'acctually a small part survived and isnt irraidiated to an insane level' and there has never been any mention of time travel in HL so far so why start now? and has anyone noticed that when ever time travel is used in a game to alter the past something goes terribly wrong?(see C&C Red Alert + others) the only reason they'd use it is because they'd run out of ideas and needed to create an entirely differnt time line so they could keep making the games to stay in profit.

 

[gabriel]

what in the world? 65% for yes? why on earth would you ever return to black mesa?

 

[Edcrab]

I could've sworn that, at some point, Gabe or another developer hinted at some sort of flashback scene- involving Black Mesa- in an interview. I suppose that, strictly speaking, the images of the Resonance Cascade behind the G-man's face count as a flashback, but physically revisiting the place (i.e., getting to walk around it even if it was just a hallucination) would've been neat.

It'd make no sense at all, but just for nostalgia's sake I'd like to see the ol' BM facility again. Admittedly half of it will be pulverised, but hey, it'd be pretty damn atmospheric to revisit it post-nuke.

Then again we're talking about a partially-shielded secret facility the size of a small city, who am I to say what has or hasn't survived a bomb of unknown power...