Black Mesa

[Pumm4]

What, like 50 cent?

Seriously, there is no material that can withstand a nuclear blast unless it's REALLY thick. Nuclear shelters give shelter because A. They have very thick concrete walls and B. They are UNDERGROUND. Most so-called 'shelters' would collapse if a nuke actually hit within five miles of them. And they would certainly be destroyed if a nuke went of inside them. :upstare:

Well in games everything is possible and most games are not 100% realistic...Let's say that facility would be 1000m2 right? And the wall's were 25m thick with an special high-tech wall-proff substance...:upstare:

 

[Sulkdodds]

25 metres thick? What the hell?

PS: The nuke was inside Black Mesa. INSIDE IT.

 

[Asknoone]

Black Mesa IS NO MORE.

 

[Pumm4]

Lol, I know BS is no more...When I'll get back home, I'll make a simple sketch so you'll understand

-Peace =)

 

[Spike]

There will be no expansion packs or mods,

there is a mod for black mesa, BLACK MESA:SOURCE.

 

[Bob_Marley]

there is a mod for black mesa, BLACK MESA:SOURCE.

WHICH IS SET DURING THE BMI! Acctually it's going to be the game that half-life source should have been. So no, we're never ever going back to the BMRF. Ever.

 

[iMMuNiTy]

there is a mod for black mesa, BLACK MESA:SOURCE.

I meant that there won't be mods/episodes where you would return, mark the words, return, not replay. There will also be Opposing Force: Source, where you will also play as Adrian in Black Mesa. Now those I'd play. But G-Man sending Gordon back in time to BM, or to the crater it is now, no.

 

[Pumm4]

So here are 2 sketches created in 11min. Those two are going to explain my previous post...

http://img269.imageshack.us/my.php?image=map17qv.jpg
http://img281.imageshack.us/my.php?image=map20wr.jpg

Have Phun

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Nihilanth was NOT Combine.

ZING! You're my new favourite person in this sub-forum. Apart from Samon, Sulkdodds, Jandor, and a few others, who already saw through the "ZOMG XEN = COMBINE LOL!" shenannigans.

And Sulk, I'd say the Nihilanth is closer to the Controllers than the Vortigaunts.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[iMMuNiTy]

Why I'm very honoured.

Anywho, I'd say Nihilanth is quite close to Controllers because he floats, he has a similar body structure including skin tone, he attacks similarly (except Controllers don't shoot teleports). Nihilanth is as close to vortigaunts as Gordon is to G-Man.


Oh, and I learned how to spell shenannigans.

 

[Boogymanx]

ZOMG NIHILANTH IS A VORTIGAUNT LOLOL!!!111!1oneone!!!!eleventyfirst

 

[Absinthe]

So dudes, I heard that HL3 will bring you back to Black Mesa. You'll fight mutant houndeyes and shit.

 

[iMMuNiTy]

Really? No mutated bullsquids? Aww.

 

[halflifeguy]

wow this is all pure specualtion.............why is this thread in the Aftermath Forum when it is already confirmed that all of Aftermath takes place in City 17?

 

[pomegranate]

Anywho, I'd say Nihilanth is quite close to Controllers because he floats, he has a similar body structure including skin tone, he attacks similarly (except Controllers don't shoot teleports). Nihilanth is as close to vortigaunts as Gordon is to G-Man.

We have no real reason to believe that Gordon and the G-Man are not the same species. Is this what you're saying?

 

[iMMuNiTy]

We have no real reason to believe that Gordon and the G-Man are not the same species. Is this what you're saying?

I'm saying that G-Man is not Gordon. Period.

 

[Bob_Marley]

and he's right damn it. and if anyone says other wise i'll beat them senceless with a cricket bat. Even if Laidlaw says it.

 

[pomegranate]

Well, clearly they're not the same person, but that doesn't really illustrate anything about the relationship between the Vorts and Nihilanth. It's a just a lame comparision, that's all

 

[iMMuNiTy]

I see nothing lame.

Nihilanth is as close to Vorts as G-Man is to Gordon. Both Nihilanth and Vorts, and G-Man and Gordon - they all differ between greatly.

Ah, whatever. Nihilanth isn't Combine, and G-Man isn't Gordon. And Black Mesa has been nuked. Case closed.

 

[Absinthe]

But the mutant houndeyes!

 

[iMMuNiTy]

Nuked.

 

[Bob_Marley]

correction: Thermonuked! that means big boom! really big boom! Those things that they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they're nothing compared to what was unleashed on Black Mesa with that 5 megaton device. The BMRF is nothing but a fallout filled creater. It's gone. Live with it.

 

[Max35]

What I would like to see is an extension of the Black Mesa facility, somewhere FAR away where the main facility was nuked, like two (for lack of a better word) sister facilities co-existing, only one was wiped out, the other is just dilapidated and abandoned. Maybe in a future HL title, it could be the epicenter of research, just like Black Mesa, but there is a lingering history you need to discover.

 

[Asknoone]

What I would like to see is an extension of the Black Mesa facility, somewhere FAR away where the main facility was nuked, like two (for lack of a better word) sister facilities co-existing, only one was wiped out, the other is just dilapidated and abandoned. Maybe in a future HL title, it could be the epicenter of research, just like Black Mesa, but there is a lingering history you need to discover.

That might suck, I think...there really is little to discover regarding what went on at Black Mesa at this point. *Shrugs*

 

[iMMuNiTy]

That might suck, I think...there really is little to discover regarding what went on at Black Mesa at this point. *Shrugs*

QFT.

What I would like to see is an extension of the Black Mesa facility, somewhere FAR away where the main facility was nuked<...>

Like where? Houston?

<...>like two (for lack of a better word) sister facilities co-existing, only one was wiped out, the other is just dilapidated and abandoned.

Only one Black Mesa Research Facility existed. The only "sister" of it was Lambda. There were 4 official expansion packs, and none them included a BMRF's secondary facility which would be far enough away from a nuke, but close enough to Administrator's reach.

Ok, now let's say miraculously there was a secondary BMRF, which was abandoned. And let's say it miraculously survived the blast (it can't be too far away and be abandoned - Breen would be bancrupt having that many lands! Especially if it only serves as a home to a non-working Facility). But I, as Dr. Breen, would make sure everything in common with BMRF would be wiped off the surface of Earth. Because if anybody found out that I set the resonance cascade up, I'd be finished as an interim Administrator of Earth (or whatever position Breen takes in Half-Life 2). So even an abandoned research facility would be in need of cleansing.

So no, no returning to Black Mesa. Or Lambda. Or Black Mesa R Us.

 

[Asknoone]

So no, no returning to Black Mesa. Or Lambda. Or Black Mesa R Us.

Exactly.

 

[Max35]

So no, no returning to Black Mesa. Or Lambda. Or Black Mesa R Us.

There could be another "branch" of BMRF, dedicated to a different level of research. Its highly possible. And why would Dr. Breen be concerned with wiping anything BM related out the window?. He (was) in control until Gordon came into the picture, it really wouldn't matter if there was a shred of evidence left. There was very little the citizens could have done (until Gordon came, that is). And Breen wouldn't be "bankrupt", BMRF was government funded.

Companies have different locations and branches, so why not BMRF?. I'm saying going back to Black Mesa is "possible" in a sense. Would it be necessarily worth telling, probably not, but its possible.

 

[Polaris]

Companies have different locations and branches, so why not BMRF?. I'm saying going back to Black Mesa is "possible" in a sense. Would it be necessarily worth telling, probably not, but its possible.

In real life is Black Mesa something like famous center S-4 in Area 51 - Groom Lake, Nevada.

 

[iMMuNiTy]

There could be another "branch" of BMRF, dedicated to a different level of research. Its highly possible. And why would Dr. Breen be concerned with wiping anything BM related out the window?. He (was) in control until Gordon came into the picture, it really wouldn't matter if there was a shred of evidence left. There was very little the citizens could have done (until Gordon came, that is). And Breen wouldn't be "bankrupt", BMRF was government funded.

Companies have different locations and branches, so why not BMRF?. I'm saying going back to Black Mesa is "possible" in a sense. Would it be necessarily worth telling, probably not, but its possible.

There is no branch of BMRF. Get over it. We both know, that there was only one Black Mesa Research Facility, and one Lambda Team. Black Mesa was large enough to fund and do most of the researches. All gaps were filled by Lambda Team, which specialized in all hi-tech, experimental weapons, etc. Making what you suggest would turn Half-Life into soap opera.

"ZOMFG there's a secret abandoned BMRF which left unnuked, and Combine uses it to turn Gordon into G-Man! We must stop them! Deploy super uber jetpacks! C'mon HEV-Boy, trouble awaits!"

Breen needed to eliminate every little piece of info which could be used against him later on. If the info that he set the resonance cascade up would surface, I doubt he'd hold long in his position, and the Combine would find someone else who could serve them. I see you're not much into politics - many gaps which Presidents leave behind them are used against them later on.

How come BMRF was government funded? Where is it written? I don't know for sure, but isn't BMRF supposed to be kept as a secret? Really, weapon testing, animal testing, alien testing (and they're held captive, too), teleport testing with live beings... Would government support all this? I seriously doubt it. However, if you have proof for this, go right ahead.

Going to Black Mesa is impossible. Companies do have branches, secret research facilities don't. There was one and only Black Mesa. There was one and only Lambda. Nuked. Thermonuked. Pwned.

Forget it. It is impossible to return there. As I said earlier, you may think of crazy shiznit to make the player return to Black Mesa (in whatever way), but the storyline would suck bigtime.

 

[Max35]

Breen, if anything would have assisted the Combine to Earth, it has nothing to do with politics. They would have rewarded him with anything, and they did, he became Interim Administrator of Earth. Like I said, it is possible, and the story would probably suck.

Well, come to think about it, G-Man would have nuked anything pertaining to Black Mesa as shown in Op4. So, I guess I just cancelled myself out. This is humbling.

But to quote Cartman from South Park "This isn't over, oh no, not by a long shot".

 

[Asknoone]

Christ...Spikes thread reached 13 pages? Bloody hell.

 

[iMMuNiTy]

It's going to continue to 23 pages if Max35 keeps it up. Urgh.

Black Mesa exists no more. Period. End of Thread. Thank you for your co-operation.

Anybody who continues to argue will be violently shot.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Really, weapon testing, animal testing, alien testing (and they're held captive, too), teleport testing with live beings... Would government support all this?

Err, yes. It's supposed to be Area 51 in all but name.

But it was nuked anyway!

 

[Sui]

Nuked or not, I think it's a cool idea- I mean, think of what could have happened to it. It was the origin of all this- could you imagine it all organic, like Xen has somehow seeped into this world? That'd be cool.

 

[Bob_Marley]

It has been nuked. Why the hell would anyone, let alone the G-man leave a loose end on somthing that big? If there was another "branch" of the BMRF (which there isnt), he would have had that nuked as well. Or the black ops would have nuked it. what ever. It's all gone. all of it. It's nothing but a highly raidoactive crater. And we're never, ever going back. Nuked, understand? Gone, finito, demolished, eradicated, destroyed. do you understand?
Thread closed.

 

[pomegranate]

You know what, I don't care about this at all anymore.
I'm playing System Shock 2 again, and it's a whole other universe of game to Half-Life 1 or 2. Forget that bangy-bang console-esque hair-trigger stuff. It's for kids AMA.

 

[Max35]

It has been nuked. Why the hell would anyone, let alone the G-man leave a loose end on somthing that big? If there was another "branch" of the BMRF (which there isnt), he would have had that nuked as well. Or the black ops would have nuked it. what ever. It's all gone. all of it. It's nothing but a highly raidoactive crater. And we're never, ever going back. Nuked, understand? Gone, finito, demolished, eradicated, destroyed. do you understand?
Thread closed.

And how do you know that, are you LaidLaw?. Its possible we could go back, I mean he could have an aneyrism (<spelling) and suggest Gordon goes back to Black Mesa via time travel:rolling:

Actually, I read something quite awhile ago that Valve was thinking of doing a prequel to HL (in BM), then thought of the C17 scenario (old interview). So, it has crossed Valve's mind before I think. And in HL2, they were going to have the player visit BM, but cut it out.

Thing is, if Valve really wanted to, they could bring BM back, using some crazily concocted scenario. It is *possible*.

 

[Asknoone]

Actually, I read something quite awhile ago that Valve was thinking of doing a prequel to HL (in BM), then thought of the C17 scenario (old interview). So, it has crossed Valve's mind before I think. And in HL2, they were going to have the player visit BM, but cut it out.

No, they were not going to have you go back to Black Mesa in HL2, thats such shit. I don't where you read these things. And Valve has never openly talked about a prequel, I'm sure of that too.

 

[iMMuNiTy]

And how do you know that, are you LaidLaw?. Its possible we could go back, I mean he could have an aneyrism (<spelling) and suggest Gordon goes back to Black Mesa via time travel:rolling:

Actually, I read something quite awhile ago that Valve was thinking of doing a prequel to HL (in BM), then thought of the C17 scenario (old interview). So, it has crossed Valve's mind before I think. And in HL2, they were going to have the player visit BM, but cut it out.

Thing is, if Valve really wanted to, they could bring BM back, using some crazily concocted scenario. It is *possible*.

Bullshit thread!

Kid, Black Mesa has been nuked to a crater. All what's left of it are pebbles. You're thinking up stuff just to save your ass.

 

[Max35]

No, they were not going to have you go back to Black Mesa in HL2, thats such shit. I don't where you read these things. And Valve has never openly talked about a prequel, I'm sure of that too.

It was an old interview with Valve's art director, Viktor Antonov on Gamespy I believe. Give me time, I'll find it.