Comprehensive Look At Direct X10, LongHorn, And Palladium!

Maxi · Dec 10, 2003

Yep, some people do, yet still we find time to post here, strange isn't it?

poseyjmac · Dec 10, 2003

alright maxi. is today going to be one liner comments, or do you want to address my posts

Maxi · Dec 10, 2003

Hmm im a bit tired today, but ill catch up and then respond.

Maxi · Dec 10, 2003

Originally posted by poseyjmac
1. then its happening today. as most games only run on a MS os, and more and more games only support directx. does this have you up in arms? an online cdkey check is a policeman checking to see if you have bought a legit product, this policeman doesn't trust that you will have it tomorrow, but checks WHENEVER you want to play online. doesn't this piss you off?

2. if you ignore the piracy issue, you are ignoring one of the main benefits to longhorn and palladium. if it weren't for this system, i wouldn't be so stoked about longhonr/palladium. but this means companies can now get what they deserve. are you guys THAT selfish to regard that as trifle? nevermind dont answer that.

1.Not exactly like a police officer, more like a parol officer that you have to "visit" to make sure your using a legal piece of software, what palladium does is it brings him right behind your shoulder. Im not totally against the anti-piracy thing, I just don't like it that microsoft can make programs not work on my computer, both of wich i have bought. Also I dont like the hardware verification and that dx10 will only be available for longhorn.

2.Companies should get money from what sofware they produce, but they shouldn't have to have microsoft to get it for them, they should enforce theyr own anti-piracy stuff.

poseyjmac · Dec 10, 2003

Originally posted by MaxiKana
1.Not exactly like a police officer, more like a parol officer that you have to "visit" to make sure your using a legal piece of software, what palladium does is it brings him right behind your shoulder. Im not totally against the anti-piracy thing, I just don't like it that microsoft can make programs not work on my computer, both of wich i have bought. Also I dont like the hardware verification and that dx10 will only be available for longhorn.

2.Companies should get money from what sofware they produce, but they shouldn't have to have microsoft to get it for them, they should enforce theyr own anti-piracy stuff.

1. well its good to hear you aren't totally against companies actually getting paid for the software they make....

elaborate on how microsoft can make programs not work on your computer? how is that different from how it is now? the majority of games only run on windows. they are FORCING you to use windows, like a police officer.

2. and what is inherently wrong with companies seeking outside help with security? do you also believe that a country's people should defend themselves when another country's army invades while their country's army stands by and does nothing?

do you also think that valve is weak and stupid for not making their own physics engine and using havoks?

Maxi · Dec 10, 2003

Originally posted by poseyjmac
1. well its good to hear you aren't totally against companies actually getting paid for the software they make....

elaborate on how microsoft can make programs not work on your computer? how is that different from how it is now? the majority of games only run on windows. they are FORCING you to use windows, like a police officer.

2. and what is inherently wrong with companies seeking outside help with security? do you also believe that a country's people should defend themselves when another country's army invades while their country's army stands by and does nothing?

do you also think that valve is weak and stupid for not making their own physics engine and using havoks?

Well, thats what some people said was one of palladiums features, that they had to go through microsoft to get theyr app "approved" to run on longhorn...

They aren't forcing me to use windows, i choose to because it is the best gaming os at this time.

They havent asked MS to make palladium they decided to, some companies might even be against it.

And why would the countries army do nothing? i dont get your example.

No, i think it was a smart move, they using something a more specialized company made for theyr own project, hence improves the main product, but i dont get what this has to do with this thread...

OCybrManO · Dec 10, 2003

"No, i think it was a smart move, they using something a more specialized company made for theyr own project, hence improves the main product, but i dont get what this has to do with this thread..."

He's saying that developers won't have to bother with spending all that time writing anti-piracy stuff into their software because it will be built into Windows.

I have mixed feelings about all of this stuff... on one hand developers will get more of the money they deserve, but on the other hand it's one step closer to Big Brother.

poseyjmac · Dec 10, 2003

Originally posted by MaxiKana
Well, thats what some people said was one of palladiums features, that they had to go through microsoft to get theyr app "approved" to run on longhorn...

They aren't forcing me to use windows, i choose to because it is the best gaming os at this time.

They havent asked MS to make palladium they decided to, some companies might even be against it.

And why would the countries army do nothing? i dont get your example.

No, i think it was a smart move, they using something a more specialized company made for theyr own project, hence improves the main product, but i dont get what this has to do with this thread...

....

let me get this straight.

you said companies shouldn't ask for help with security from microsoft.

so you think companies shouldn't ask for things that can benefit them from another company? why?

Maskirovka · Dec 10, 2003

lol...now i'm being called "bitter"

and i've been ignored again :\

and FYI, i have a job and i've been studying for finals all day.
that still doesn't address the fact that you've ignored virtually all of my posts :\

poseyjmac · Dec 10, 2003

Originally posted by OCybrManO
"No, i think it was a smart move, they using something a more specialized company made for theyr own project, hence improves the main product, but i dont get what this has to do with this thread..."

He's saying that developers won't have to bother with spending all that time writing anti-piracy stuff into their software because it will be built into Windows.

I have mixed feelings about all of this stuff... on one hand developers will get more of the money they deserve, but on the other hand it's one step closer to Big Brother.

im not too fond of big brother either. but you can blame the pirates. its their faults this is progressing the way it is. its like not voting, and then complaining about who the elected president is. no right

poseyjmac · Dec 10, 2003

Originally posted by Maskirovka
lol...now i'm being called "bitter"

and i've been ignored again :\

im paying attention to those who are civil. if you want to try and act civil while posting content. ill hear it out. you start with personal attacks. i wont give you the time of day.

Maskirovka · Dec 10, 2003

lol you're the one who started it...i've made tons of "civil" posts. you've ignored all of them.

let me do some pasting....again :\

poseyjmac · Dec 10, 2003

Originally posted by Maskirovka
you're the one who started it...

one more childish post. and ur on ignore

Maskirovka · Dec 10, 2003

read pages 35 and 37 again.

specifically my posts, but others make comments worthy of reading as well.

and i don't really see how me asking you to read and consider my posts is being childish. you ignored me for several pages, and you respond to just about everyone but me. none of my posts are flames. they're good arguments that many of the others agree with.

then i complained about being ignored and suddenly i'm childish and bitter...forgive me if i don't understand how that makes any sense. i'm honestly trying to undertsand and i would be thrilled if you could explain it to me.

poseyjmac · Dec 10, 2003

read some from 37, element alpha is in a world of his own and thinks copyrights should be done away with so everything in the world can be free! yeay! im not even going to bother replying to his bullshit. he apparently has never been involved making anything of value.

ill bbiab gotta go to a coffee shop with someone for a little while.

Maskirovka · Dec 10, 2003

Originally posted by poseyjmac
read some from 37, element alpha is ...ill bbiab gotta go to a coffee shop with someone for a little while.

again...didn't read my post :\

please don't say you didn't read it because you have a life or something...that's a lame excuse...most of us have lives other than these forums...especially me.

I have a job and a girlfriend of 4 years, i exercise regularly, hang out with friends, watch the news, read, play paintball, snowboard...i could go on. please don't imply that i don't have a life besides these boards again...you have no factual basis for that claim and i consider it a borderline flame.

flaming to me is saying anything about others that has no factual basis whatsoever in order to demean what they're saying...it's anything that's avoiding the real issue and just resorting to insults. a flame doesn't have to be "OMGZ UR A RETARD FGT NEWB!!!111"

i just enjoy taking time out to discuss issues i feel are important to society. i'm sure everyone can tell that i enjoy politics and all decision-making processes. i argue because i like to understand how people think

i understand if you have something else to do for right now, but please respond to what i said...i pretty much summed up what everyone is thinking about this subject

Shuzer · Dec 10, 2003

Originally posted by poseyjmac
read some from 37, element alpha is in a world of his own and thinks copyrights should be done away with so everything in the world can be free! yeay! im not even going to bother replying to his bullshit. he apparently has never been involved making anything of value.

ill bbiab gotta go to a coffee shop with someone for a little while.

Mask said to read pages 35 and 37.. specifically HIS posts, not element's. He's been questioning you for pages and pages and you ALWAYS ignore his posts.

Furthermore, I have yet to see anything childish or bitter from Maskirovka. I find it pretty funny that you replied to my one post that SPECIFICALLY pointed you to Maskirovka's post directly above it, yet a page later you say you can't be bothered to read everyone's posts.

Kadayi · Dec 11, 2003

Originally posted by poseyjmac
one more childish post. and ur on ignore

LOL. It's a shame we can't set your posts to rational.:dozey:

Kadayi · Dec 11, 2003

Originally posted by poseyjmac
some people have things to do besides this forum, like WORKING, and STUDYING for classes. so just calm down your bitter self.

They making you clean the chalk dusters at the Kindergarden again? Well at least your reward will be fingerpaints and an afternon nap

Element Alpha · Dec 11, 2003

Why do you guys care so much about what he has to say? apparently, if you don't agree with him, you live in "a world of your own".

The copyright system was invented in the 20th century, even after the first movies were made. The only existing copyright were about inventions back then, and even those aren't that old. There were musicians before copyrights ever existed. How did they do it? They didn't have to sell cd's, now did they? Even tho you may find a mozart or beethoven cd, it doesn't mean they recorded it. So who recorded it? Who the hell plays those tracks you hear when you play their cd's? Well, to bad Beethoven or Mozart didn't own copyrights, or they could have kept all their music for themselves and never allowed any of us to listen to their talent, since noone would be allowed to reproduce it.

Free your mind of corporate bullshit. If not they'll have you right where they want you.

Life is made out of sweat, emotions, lust, bones and blood. You try to build a wall around that, you get to see the fireworks. Shit will hit the fan, no doubt.

Just think about it: about half a globe away from where you live, people are blowing themselves up in the name of an imaginary god. Don't underestimate the human mind, it can be very strong and stubborn. Much stronger than any corporation or governement could ever be. But it doesn't appear in hours, days nor years. It evolves in and between generations to burst out in all its fury. Ladies and gentlemen, an applause is in order for the human mind. The one thing that beats water at splitting rocks.

"You longhorn me, I'll longhorn you too." - old chinese proverbe

poseyjmac · Dec 11, 2003

Originally posted by Shuzer

Furthermore, I have yet to see anything childish or bitter from Maskirovka.

Originally posted by Maskirovka
"you're the one who started it..."

shit, i remember saying that and hearing that in the 1st grade. if you can't account for your own actions and blame others for them, you need to grow up.

so whos ignoring who shuzer?

btw. polkavich is acting like a child right now with his smart little one liners. he doesn't deserve a single post from me anymore. oh but you will have conveniently missed that i bet.

poseyjmac · Dec 11, 2003

Originally posted by Element Alpha

The copyright system was invented in the 20th century, even after the first movies were made. The only existing copyright were about inventions back then, and even those aren't that old. There were musicians before copyrights ever existed. How did they do it? They didn't have to sell cd's, now did they? Even tho you may find a mozart or beethoven cd, it doesn't mean they recorded it. So who recorded it? Who the hell plays those tracks you hear when you play their cd's? Well, to bad Beethoven or Mozart didn't own copyrights, or they could have kept all their music for themselves and never allowed any of us to listen to their talent, since noone would be allowed to reproduce it.

im curious. who here agrees with this point of view?

JonTheCanuck · Dec 11, 2003

Originally posted by poseyjmac
Originally posted by Maskirovka
"you're the one who started it..."

shit, i remember saying that and hearing that in the 1st grade. if you can't account for your own actions and blame others for them, you need to grow up.

so whos ignoring who shuzer?

btw. polkavich is acting like a child right now with his smart little one liners. he doesn't deserve a single post from me anymore. oh but you will have conveniently missed that i bet.

the point is posey, u've still continued to ignore mask, he hasn't been bitter, or flaming, or anything along those lines, he's got a strong argument, and because u dont know how to defend your side of the argument, u simply dodge the question or say he's being childish. Answer his posts if u want anyone to take you seriously.

poseyjmac · Dec 11, 2003

Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
the point is posey, u've still continued to ignore mask, he hasn't been bitter, or flaming, or anything along those lines, he's got a strong argument, and because u dont know how to defend your side of the argument, u simply dodge the question or say he's being childish. Answer his posts if u want anyone to take you seriously.

i haven't ignored him. but i dont care enough about this discussion to read every single word. i dont just have this window open and i am f5ing till replies come. i have other things im doing. if you really want my response, you might want to paste a chunk here, and ill give my view on it.

and i will address the issue when people are civil, not when people act immature. this will only tell them, that by being childish they get their way. the truth is you are ignoring how each other are acting towards me because you share the same view. when you wake up and realize that some of you are not being civil in this discussion, ill take you more seriously.

theres a forum at hardforum.com. it was nice there before they took out the 'soapbox' forum, which is where debates were. we could have a discussion without all the extra chidlish insults that are happening here, and id be more inclined to address more things if you guys were more mature like they used to be over there. your call.

JonTheCanuck · Dec 11, 2003

*sigh* odd how u keep missing the ones that are repeated

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Originally posted by Maskirovka
so, posey...if the economic reasons why prices will go down if piracy stops are "simple economics" then why is it so hard for you to tell us all about that "simple" concept?

now, you also conveniently allow for nothing to happen (i.e. prices stay the same) in your "theory" whereas before you stated that they would certainly go down to some imaginary price that would exist without piracy.

yet you again conveniently ignored several posts by people stating that games have stayed at a steady $50 US ever since the days of Nintendo.

hmm...i don't seem to remember Nintendo cartridge piracy being "rampant"

also, CD prices have always been about $16-20, yet CDs continually cost less and less to produce as the CD-stamping indurstry gets better and better at doing it. yet CD costs stay exactly the same.

how's that for simple economics?

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http://shumans.com/archives/000028.php

and that proves my point about "option B" just making people want to choose the "wrong" decision even more...

when the RIAA starts suing everyone left and right, including barber shops (who let their patrons listen to music while getting their hair cut) because it was "commercial use" of their music, everyone just starts hating the RIAA for whatever reason and they cite that as reason enough to pirate music.

it's not that i think music piracy is ok just because the RIAA is corrupt or something...of course that doesn't make it right. but you do have to realize how people think and try to work within that system of though to try to change their minds.

eradicating piracy through force will only make it stay the same or get worse, just like the war on drugs.

i was talking to my mom the other day (she's 55) and she said they've been "fighting the war on drugs" since she was in high school. 40 years and they've done nothing whatsoever but waste everyone's money spraying coca crops and bullshit like that.

it's time to start trying to find the real reasons for problems instead of applying these bullshit solutions. and microsoft's palladium is one of these band-aid bullshit solutions that isn't going to stop piracy at all.

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feel free to stop by #ircforum on gamesnet to discuss this or whatever else you want...everyone is welcome.
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Originally posted by OCybrManO
If you knew people would pay $50 for your product would you only charge $30 for it?

Now, IF one major publisher lowers their prices considerably... then that would force the others to either lower their own prices or lose customers.
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Originally posted by Element Alpha
(palladium chips will have to be integrated in every component for the MS model to work). What gives MS the capability? Money. What gives them the right? The voices of voting citizens (LIKE POSEYJMAC - added by Maskirovka) who don't truely grasp the meaning of all this.

-DirectX: the mere fact that ALL multimedia apps that use it, can't possibly be ported to another platform, means MS has a very tight grip on the market, . So there, the pc just turned into a gaming-console

If you care so much about copyrightholders, I suggest you start caring about the kids dying from wars, famin, thurst, hunger and diseases in 3rd world countries.
The copyright model is old, and should be removed, plain and simple. If a musician wants to make money, he should give concerts, sell t-shirts maybe, and sell cd's to those who are WILLING to pay for it. And certainly not sue people.
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poseyjmac · Dec 11, 2003

Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
*sigh* odd how u keep missing the ones that are repeated

you dont learn do you? its comments like this that will keep this thread from having a civil discussion. i dont deal with children, lose the chidlish remarks and try again. for now im going to try out unreal2 xmp.

bbl

JonTheCanuck · Dec 11, 2003

lol i like how u avoided those points just like u avoided the age issue, good job. Its not really hard to see what you're doing, although if u had an answer to strengthen your argument i'm pretty sure u'd say it, its unfortunate that u dont.

Lil' Timmy · Dec 11, 2003

yeah, after 586 posts, it's pretty clear that posey is just yank you guys along. it's still a funny thread, but even i never invisioned that it would grow to these proportions. someone kill it plz, now i'm afraid :|

poseyjmac · Dec 11, 2003

now, you also conveniently allow for nothing to happen (i.e. prices stay the same) in your "theory" whereas before you stated that they would certainly go down to some imaginary price that would exist without piracy.

yet you again conveniently ignored several posts by people stating that games have stayed at a steady $50 US ever since the days of Nintendo.

hmm...i don't seem to remember Nintendo cartridge piracy being "rampant"

ill address this chunk first

just because i didn't mention prices could stay where they were in my first few posts doesn't mean i meant it was a sure thing that they would go down. its true that they will either go down or they will stay the same.

can you prove that games wouldn't be less than $50 today if it weren't for piracy?

if your answer is yes. please do so.

if your answer is no. just say no, and ill move on to the next chunk

Maskirovka · Dec 11, 2003

Originally posted by poseyjmac
ill address this chunk first

just because i didn't mention prices could stay where they were in my first few posts doesn't mean i meant it was a sure thing that they would go down. its true that they will either go down or they will stay the same.

can you prove that games wouldn't be less than $50 today if it weren't for piracy?

if your answer is yes. please do so.

if your answer is no. just say no, and ill move on to the next chunk

everyone already proved that to you by telling you that CD prices have stayed the same ever since CD burners became popular.

several people (including myself) stated that video games have cost $50 ever since the original nintendo. i don't seem to remember rampant pirating of nintendo cartridges in the 80s.

these prices were established before piracy was a problem, and piracy hasn't increased them one bit...so there's no justification for your statement that the elimination of piracy would return prices to some envisioned "pre-piracy" level.

poseyjmac · Dec 11, 2003

Originally posted by Maskirovka
everyone already proved that to you by telling you that CD prices have stayed the same ever since CD burners became popular.

several people (including myself) stated that video games have cost $50 ever since the original nintendo. i don't seem to remember rampant pirating of nintendo cartridges in the 80s.

these prices were established before piracy was a problem, and piracy hasn't increased them one bit...so there's no justification for your statement that the elimination of piracy would return prices to some envisioned "pre-piracy" level.

now you are ignoring my question. please answer it

Shuzer · Dec 11, 2003

Originally posted by poseyjmac
Originally posted by Maskirovka
"you're the one who started it..."

shit, i remember saying that and hearing that in the 1st grade. if you can't account for your own actions and blame others for them, you need to grow up.

so whos ignoring who shuzer?

btw. polkavich is acting like a child right now with his smart little one liners. he doesn't deserve a single post from me anymore. oh but you will have conveniently missed that i bet.

You're guilty of pulling one liners yourself. Just because "you started it" is said by little kids doesn't mean it can't be said by fully grown individuals (Don't take this seriously, I'm just joking here, sarcasm doesn't show well through the net)

I haven't missed any posts in this thread, some aren't needed to be replied to (ie. Polokov's one liner about kindergarten), but Maskrovika's posts aren't about one liners. You only replied to Mask's ONE post that had a "one liner," the rest of his posts you've seemingly ignored.

Originally posted by poseyjmac
i haven't ignored him. but i dont care enough about this discussion to read every single word. i dont just have this window open and i am f5ing till replies come. i have other things im doing. if you really want my response, you might want to paste a chunk here, and ill give my view on it.

and i will address the issue when people are civil, not when people act immature. this will only tell them, that by being childish they get their way. the truth is you are ignoring how each other are acting towards me because you share the same view. when you wake up and realize that some of you are not being civil in this discussion, ill take you more seriously.

You don't care enough about this discussion to read every single word? That's pretty odd considering you're rather selective in replying to posts. I guess you're just getting lucky on which posts you read, huh? You're also not exactly the prime example of civility.

Originally posted by poseyjmac
you dont learn do you? its comments like this that will keep this thread from having a civil discussion. i dont deal with children, lose the chidlish remarks and try again. for now im going to try out unreal2 xmp.

bbl

Again you pull this stunt? Getting a little old seeing the same old excuses for not giving valid arguments..

Originally posted by poseyjmac
ill address this chunk first

just because i didn't mention prices could stay where they were in my first few posts doesn't mean i meant it was a sure thing that they would go down. its true that they will either go down or they will stay the same.

can you prove that games wouldn't be less than $50 today if it weren't for piracy?

if your answer is yes. please do so.

if your answer is no. just say no, and ill move on to the next chunk

As Mask said above, games have always been $50 (or around there). Some games used to sell for $40 or even $30, that's not as common these days, but it still happens (perfect example would be Freedom Fighters, that sold for $20 right off the bat and was still a quality game). Game prices haven't changed over the years.

Originally posted by poseyjmac
now you are ignoring my question. please answer it

His anwer is a response in itself. Games were $50 and still are. If that's not proof enough, there's no way we can win this argument.

Maskirovka · Dec 11, 2003

can you prove that games wouldn't be less than $50 today if it weren't for piracy?

my answer was yes, and i did prove it. people have thought $50 was a fair price for a video game for a long time. the introduction of piracy hasn't affected the price so far, so of course the companies aren't going to lower their price if piracy went away...people would still think $50 is a fair price because it's the traditional price for video games.

OCybrManO · Dec 11, 2003

If anything piracy might possibly be keeping the prices down if the companies understand that the reason many people pirate their games is because they can't justify spending $50 on a game they might get tired of in a week or two.

Shuzer · Dec 11, 2003

Originally posted by OCybrManO
If anything piracy would lower prices if the companies understood that the reason many people pirate their games is because they can't justify spending $50 on a game they might get tired of in a week or two.

Careful, posey will more than likely lash out and call you a pirate because of that comment :dozey:

poseyjmac · Dec 11, 2003

Originally posted by Maskirovka
my answer was yes, and i did prove it. people have thought $50 was a fair price for a video game for a long time. the introduction of piracy hasn't affected the price so far, so of course the companies aren't going to lower their price if piracy went away...people would still think $50 is a fair price because it's the traditional price for video games.

no, you didn't prove it. and lets face it, you can't.

because there could have been a situation that when piracy was gaining popularity, a company was planning on lowering prices. BUT since they had to factor in that some part of the population was going to pirate the material, they would have to adjust their prices accordingly. thus keeping the price the same and not lowering it as planned. then to the general public, it would look like nothing had happened and that the prices had not been affected. because of this possibility, you can never prove piracy had no effect on prices.

do you want me to move on to the next chunk, or do you want to waste more time on this?

OCybrManO · Dec 11, 2003

If you take the condition of the economy, inflation, greedy publishers, and supply & demand into consideration then the price may very well have risen without piracy (or it could have been the "$50 tradition").

Your "proof" is based on some idea that developers and publishers are willing to drop the price of video games when they have grown to overshadow even the movie industry in terms of total sales.

If the economy is starting to gain strength, a product is steadily growing in popularity, and is selling in record numbers then you probably don't need to lower the price on it. If piracy never existed the demand would have been even higher. How much higher? No one knows for sure. High enough to raise prices? Possibly.

I just don't see how more people buying something leads to lower prices. Unless it is a new technology that needs better manufacturing processes. An example of this would be LCD monitors. Early LCDs were very expensive because out of a batch of a dozen or so they would only get several working LCDs. As they got money from sales they could research better production methods that had higher yields. Allowing them to sell the new LCDs for much less while keeping the same amount of profit per batch. Sadly, this does not apply to video games.

Lil' Timmy · Dec 11, 2003

Originally posted by poseyjmac
there could have been a situation that when piracy was gaining popularity, a company was planning on lowering prices. BUT since they had to factor in that some part of the population was going to pirate the material, they would have to adjust their prices accordingly.

lol, good one posey, jesus.. ;(

someone plz delete this thread, it's making people more stupid!

poseyjmac · Dec 11, 2003

Originally posted by OCybrManO

I just don't see how more people buying something leads to lower prices.

it may not lead to lower prices. but the point is it wont lead to higher prices, which is a good thing. were talking about software here, not cars. its easy to make a few hundred thousand more copies and ship them out if demand increases in a short period of time.

Maskirovka · Dec 11, 2003

right...you're relying solely on a hypothetical situation to "prove" your point. you can say "what if?" for anything...as you proved earlier in the thread by asking someone to prove that aliens don't run microsoft. this type of logic is flawed and proves nothing.

you act like you're joe pesci in "my cousin vinny" with his new york accent saying, "i'm done with this guy!!" after proving each witness wrong...when your type of argument is full of holes.

you can back up concrete evidence with hypothetical situations, though...but your general "what if stuff happened and that made you wrong?" type of argument doesn't hold water.

you're still not providing any motive for the companies to lower prices when people are perfectly happy paying the current price. like cyberman pointed out, video games sales are continously increasing despite piracy. they are a billion dollar entertainment industry. therefore your comments make no sense.

you can move on if you want to, now :\
...i think i've proven my point even if you don't agree.

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