Comprehensive Look At Direct X10, LongHorn, And Palladium!

[Maskirovka]

Originally posted by mrchimp
Thats basically what the entire problem is, choose microshaft or choose not to play games on your pc.

lol...you're saying "choose microsoft or i won't be able to play games on my PC because i don't legally buy any games...i pirate every single one"

i dunno about you, but i buy good games....i just pirate some to avoid getting totally shafted all the time. before i started pirating games, i spent several hundred dollars on worthless games that weren't as good as advertised. i can't count the number of times i felt cheated...saying to myself, "i paid for this crap?" and don't tell me how i could've played it at a friend's or i could've downloaded a demo...that's just a crap argument. demos can be misleading and the friends thing...uh no.

now, i only buy games that i really feel deserve my money. i guess some people like you play on cracked servers and stuff like that for multiplayer. now that's lameness to the extreme :\

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Lil' Masky has no friends? ;(

yeah, honestly, i have used hacks as a type of game rental service. usually there's music, sounds, movies or whatnot that are ripped from those releases anyway. i first played the original halflife, homeworld, and splinter cell as hacks, and later bought them. i've also dld shit games and was thankful for not shelling out money for them. i haven't done this in awhile though, been too busy. of course with palladium, i guess i will have to rely on demos, but judging from the reaction i've seen to dx2, demos still don't seem to represent their games very well.

ah, i'm sure palladium will get the shit hacked out of it in a matter of hours after it's released, no worries.

 

[Shuzer]

Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
Lil' Masky has no friends? ;(

yeah, honestly, i have used hacks as a type of game rental service. usually there's music, sounds, movies or whatnot that are ripped from those releases anyway. i first played the original halflife, homeworld, and splinter cell as hacks, and later bought them. i've also dld shit games and was thankful for not shelling out money for them. i haven't done this in awhile though, been too busy. of course with palladium, i guess i will have to rely on demos, but judging from the reaction i've seen to dx2, demos still don't seem to represent their games very well.

ah, i'm sure palladium will get the shit hacked out of it in a matter of hours after it's released, no worries.

Coulda sworn you were anti-piracy just a few pages ago.. maybe I imagined it? hmm.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Originally posted by Shuzer
Coulda sworn you were anti-piracy just a few pages ago.. maybe I imagined it? hmm.

well, i'm usually just jumping on someone's bandwagon :thumbs: earlier i was mainly taking issue with the ludicrous claim that MS was "forcing" people to do whatever. personally, i think piracy is wrong in general, but it's a fairly complex issue and i'm not going to pretend i don't have mp3s and hacks and whatnot. in the case of technology, i think piracy may be a good thing in the long run, b/c it can drive innovation. like most people, i'll sit here and say i'm buying halflife2 or whatever, and then listen to my i'll gotten music. but hypocritical behavior doesn't preclude me from seeing the merits/pitfalls of the issues.

 

[Maskirovka]

Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
well, i'm usually just jumping on someone's bandwagon :thumbs: earlier i was mainly taking issue with the ludicrous claim that MS was "forcing" people to do whatever. personally, i think piracy is wrong in general, but it's a fairly complex issue and i'm not going to pretend i don't have mp3s and hacks and whatnot. in the case of technology, i think piracy may be a good thing in the long run, b/c it can drive innovation. like most people, i'll sit here and say i'm buying halflife2 or whatever, and then listen to my i'll gotten music. but hypocritical behavior doesn't preclude me from seeing the merits/pitfalls of the issues.

damnit timmy why don't you always make intelligent comments like this instead of 90% dry sarcastic childish comments? i mean i'm up for some good fun just as much as you, but less random spam about making the thread huge and stuff like that.

by the way...why am i a hydra now? i was a combine yesterday...is hydra > combine now?

 

[iamironsam]

Timmy is the king of thread sabatoge.

 

[Damaged]

What bothers me is that Microsoft will have a very strong tool for screwing over any company that does not comply to their wishes.


Example: Say that a game company is about to release a game in the next few months, and Microsoft wants that game for the Xbox. What if the company decideds that they dont want to make a port for the Xbox? Microsoft could simply make it so that that companys games would not run on the new OS.

Or maybe Microsoft will partner up with ATI or Nvidia and effectivly shut out the compatition by making only one companys card work with the O/S, allowing the price of the cards to skyrocket because they KNOW that they no longer have any compatition. (ok maybe just a little far feched, but it would be possible)


Dont really know if these examples are relevent or not, but with MS new OS the above examples may become a reality.

 

[Maskirovka]

Originally posted by Damaged
Dont really know if these examples are relevent or not, but with MS new OS the above examples may become a reality.

no, those types of business practices are against antitrust laws.

 

[mrchimp]

Originally posted by Maskirovka
lol...you're saying "choose microsoft or i won't be able to play games on my PC because i don't legally buy any games...i pirate every single one"

i dunno about you, but i buy good games....i just pirate some to avoid getting totally shafted all the time. before i started pirating games, i spent several hundred dollars on worthless games that weren't as good as advertised. i can't count the number of times i felt cheated...saying to myself, "i paid for this crap?" and don't tell me how i could've played it at a friend's or i could've downloaded a demo...that's just a crap argument. demos can be misleading and the friends thing...uh no.

now, i only buy games that i really feel deserve my money. i guess some people like you play on cracked servers and stuff like that for multiplayer. now that's lameness to the extreme :\

That has nothing to do with what I was talking about, I was saying you can only play games on windows becuase of DX. You can play some on Linux but it's not practicle to say the least.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

huh? wha? ppl talkin bout me again? well, first of all, i make plenty of serious posts, more than enough, imo. the thing is i'm just entertaining myself. and i found this thread to be growing with stupidity, which i find funny, so wanted to encourage it. perhaps not the nobelest of pursuits, but then again, this is OT-forum on a game forum.. sorry if i don't take it as seriously as others. i usually speak my piece a few times, but the stupid kids don't yeild to my logic, so i just go apeshit. i don't see my pattern changing until they ban me! oh and i'd encourage you all to vote in my poll called "i want to know" on this forum. theenks!
:cheers:

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by Damaged
What bothers me is that Microsoft will have a very strong tool for screwing over any company that does not comply to their wishes.


Example: Say that a game company is about to release a game in the next few months, and Microsoft wants that game for the Xbox. What if the company decideds that they dont want to make a port for the Xbox? Microsoft could simply make it so that that companys games would not run on the new OS.

Or maybe Microsoft will partner up with ATI or Nvidia and effectivly shut out the compatition by making only one companys card work with the O/S, allowing the price of the cards to skyrocket because they KNOW that they no longer have any compatition. (ok maybe just a little far feched, but it would be possible)


Dont really know if these examples are relevent or not, but with MS new OS the above examples may become a reality.

yes you are correct, they COULD. in the same way bill gates could grow a hitler mustache and announce that microsoft are nazis. but if you have no proof of such tactics, you're just blowing hot air.

 

[iamironsam]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
yes you are correct, they COULD. in the same way bill gates could grow a hitler mustache and announce that microsoft are nazis. but if you have no proof of such tactics, you're just blowing hot air.

Little Willy Gates can't grow facial hair.

 

[mrchimp]

i don't think you need to prove that microsoft would have a monopoly over competition regardless of how it gets that monopoly. Don't view microsoft as something that has morals, don't think that bill Gates makes all the decisions. Any corperation will try anything it can to get ahead of the competition as long as it can get away with it.

So give M$ the chance to do something like that and they will, if declareing themselves as Nazi's would make them even richer and more powerful they would do it.

 

[Kschreck]

Microsoft Drops support on Windows 98 and other software. They won't even be selling it anymore. Article right on MSNBC:



http://www.msnbc.com/news/1002736.asp?cp1=1

 

[Shuzer]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
yes you are correct, they COULD. in the same way bill gates could grow a hitler mustache and announce that microsoft are nazis. but if you have no proof of such tactics, you're just blowing hot air.

Hey look; this sounds like us telling you that you have no proof that software costs will drop once Longhorn hits! Until you have proof of such "tactics," you're just blowing hot air.

Originally posted by Kschreck
Microsoft Drops support on Windows 98 and other software. They won't even be selling it anymore. Article right on MSNBC:



http://www.msnbc.com/news/1002736.asp?cp1=1

Hopefully they'll continue to provide security patches.. I have 98 dual booted

 

[iamironsam]

Originally posted by Shuzer
Hopefully they'll continue to provide security patches.. I have 98 dual booted

Nope.

 

[Shuzer]

Originally posted by iamironsam
Nope.

Yeah, well, THAT'S ONLY ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE!

Actually, it doesn't really matter to me, but, does that mean 98 won't even work at Windows Update? Sucks for anyone who reformats 98 =/

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Originally posted by Shuzer
Yeah, well, THAT'S ONLY ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE!

Actually, it doesn't really matter to me, but, does that mean 98 won't even work at Windows Update? Sucks for anyone who reformats 98 =/

sounds like you're being forced to upgrade to me! i'm pretty sure that entitles you to a free hack of XP if you're interested

 

[Shuzer]

Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
sounds like you're being forced to upgrade to me! i'm pretty sure that entitles you to a free hack of XP if you're interested

nah.. I only use 98 for a PSX emulator I have (best emulator ever.. just pop in a PSX disc and bam, works perfectly.. no configuration for sound, graphics, controller, etc, all you gotta do is map your keys/buttons), other than that I use XP for everything else.. like I said, I have dual boot set up

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by Shuzer
Hey look; this sounds like us telling you that you have no proof that software costs will drop once Longhorn hits! Until you have proof of such "tactics," you're just blowing hot air.




Hopefully they'll continue to provide security patches.. I have 98 dual booted

my proof is based on simple economics. i said also said it will either lower or stay the same.

so what have you pirated lately shuzer?

 

[Shuzer]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
my proof is based on simple economics. i said also said it will either lower or stay the same.

so what have you pirated lately shuzer?

Weee, I love you, posey, you're so cool. Honestly, personal digs such as that are nothing but flamebait. Go away, troll.

 

[Kadayi]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
my proof is based on simple economics. i said also said it will either lower or stay the same.

so what have you pirated lately shuzer?

Show us your proof!! Show us, show us, show us !! and don't forget your age and occupation. :dozey:

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by Shuzer
Weee, I love you, posey, you're so cool. Honestly, personal digs such as that are nothing but flamebait. Go away, troll.

im genuinely interested in hearing about your life, whats so wrong about that? well i never!

 

[Maxi]

Always show us your source....

and age and occupation.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Originally posted by Shuzer
Hey look; this sounds like us telling you that you have no proof that software costs will drop once Longhorn hits! Until you have proof of such "tactics," you're just blowing hot air.

drop, or stay the same.. doesn't matter.. as soon as someone hacks Longhorn there goes Posey's fantasy economics of prices dropping or staying steady..

Originally posted by poseyjmac
my proof is based on simple economics. i said also said it will either lower or stay the same.

simple economics may work wonderfully in a class room.. but in the reality called life (where every single thing can be as complex as u want it to) , simple economics is hardly the idea to work always...

yes.. hot air.. go breathe some

 

[Lil' Timmy]

here's posey's "simple" economics

case 1: no hacking) price = lowerish

case 2: hacking) price = more higherer

see? simple. :cheers:

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
here's posey's "simple" economics

case 1: no hacking) price = lowerish

case 2: hacking) price = more higherer

see? simple. :cheers:

Posey-conomics?

 

[Kadayi]

Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
here's posey's "simple" economics

case 1: no hacking) price = lowerish

case 2: hacking) price = more higherer

see? simple. :cheers:

'Higherer'. ROFLMAO, I can imagine him saying that as well (although obviously not age or occupation):dozey:

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by Dr. Freeman



simple economics may work wonderfully in a class room.. but in the reality called life (where every single thing can be as complex as u want it to) , simple economics is hardly the idea to work always...

yes.. hot air.. go breathe some

and of course you have to think that way, otherwise you might feel bad about ripping off hard working peoples work.

 

[OCybrManO]

I doubt prices would drop. They know the customers will pay that much for their products. If you knew people would pay $50 for your product would you only charge $30 for it?

Now, IF one major publisher lowers their prices considerably... then that would force the others to either lower their own prices or lose customers.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
and of course you have to think that way, otherwise you might feel bad about ripping off hard working peoples work.

u know Posey just cause someone opposes ur views, u automatically assume they pirate software.. why is that? u like making an ass out of urself when u assume this?

through the whole thread u just ignore reasons why pple are opposed to Longhorn even tho they have been posted many times and u just assume they are all pirates.. why? i don't get it..

 

[MooCow]

Look it works like this if you forcefully eliminate piracy you raise demand that the whole point right? Even if only 10% of the people who pirated are forced to buy that’s still an increase in demand.

Now absolutely simple fundamental basic economics states if demand increases prices rise.

The only way computer games prices are coming down is if demand suddenly drops or supply increases drastically, neither of which are likely to happen.

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by Dr. Freeman
u know Posey just cause someone opposes ur views, u automatically assume they pirate software.. why is that? u like making an ass out of urself when u assume this?

through the whole thread u just ignore reasons why pple are opposed to Longhorn even tho they have been posted many times and u just assume they are all pirates.. why? i don't get it..

because i know how pirates think

and they furiously are against things like longhorn because they are afraid some day they might have to pay for software they want. and they continually ignore that companies will benefit from something like this.

 

[OCybrManO]

I can understand where the pirates are coming from with some little applications that do one thing that can be done just as well with freeware but they insist on charging $25 because theirs has a slightly better interface.

... or the people that want to charge $10-15 for some simple game like Ski Stunt Simulator or yet another PDA tetris variant.

People like that are asking to have their software pirated.

 

[Maskirovka]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
my proof is based on simple economics. i said also said it will either lower or stay the same.

so, posey...if the economic reasons why prices will go down if piracy stops are "simple economics" then why is it so hard for you to tell us all about that "simple" concept?

Originally posted by poseyjmac
i think they would lower the prices back to what they were originally envisioned before piracy became rampant. which is what have WOULD have been the norm.

now, you also conveniently allow for nothing to happen (i.e. prices stay the same) in your "theory" whereas before you stated that they would certainly go down to some imaginary price that would exist without piracy.

yet you again conveniently ignored several posts by people stating that games have stayed at a steady $50 US ever since the days of Nintendo.

hmm...i don't seem to remember Nintendo cartridge piracy being "rampant"

also, CD prices have always been about $16-20, yet CDs continually cost less and less to produce as the CD-stamping indurstry gets better and better at doing it. yet CD costs stay exactly the same.

how's that for simple economics?

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http://shumans.com/archives/000028.php

and that proves my point about "option B" just making people want to choose the "wrong" decision even more...

when the RIAA starts suing everyone left and right, including barber shops (who let their patrons listen to music while getting their hair cut) because it was "commercial use" of their music, everyone just starts hating the RIAA for whatever reason and they cite that as reason enough to pirate music.

it's not that i think music piracy is ok just because the RIAA is corrupt or something...of course that doesn't make it right. but you do have to realize how people think and try to work within that system of though to try to change their minds.

eradicating piracy through force will only make it stay the same or get worse, just like the war on drugs.

i was talking to my mom the other day (she's 55) and she said they've been "fighting the war on drugs" since she was in high school. 40 years and they've done nothing whatsoever but waste everyone's money spraying coca crops and bullshit like that.

it's time to start trying to find the real reasons for problems instead of applying these bullshit solutions. and microsoft's palladium is one of these band-aid bullshit solutions that isn't going to stop piracy at all.

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feel free to stop by #ircforum on gamesnet to discuss this or whatever else you want...everyone is welcome.

 

[Shuzer]

^^^^
READ THE ABOVE POST POSEY

Originally posted by poseyjmac
because i know how pirates think

and they furiously are against things like longhorn because they are afraid some day they might have to pay for software they want. and they continually ignore that companies will benefit from something like this.

And you know this how? Unless you're a pirate at heart

Anyhow, it's funny that you say stuff like the aforementioned paragraph; no one here is really concerned over not being able to pirate software. Some might have concerns over that, however, most of us are concerned over Microsoft having TOO MUCH CONTROL over what you can and can't run on your system.

Should I HAVE to run Longhorn just to play the newest games? Should I HAVE to run Longhorn to use the latest and greatest image editing software? I don't like the idea of Microsoft potentially monopolizing the software market, not just the operating system market.

Picture this: VALVe wants to make HL3 using DX10, but it's a Longhorn exclusive. VALVe gives in to that, but before Microsoft allows them to use DX10, they have to agree to make HL3 run on Pallidium only. I don't like that, at all.

Now, I'd like to see constructive replies from you, posey, not stupid posts such as "omg wut hav u piratid in teh past week?? LOLZ," it makes you look stupid. You seem to think I'm a rampant pirater because I didn't pay for Windows XP, but this isn't the case. Stop talking down to people, please.

 

[Maskirovka]

careful, shuzer...he might ignore my post because you posted after me...he likes to ignore things he has no answer for.

 

[Shuzer]

Originally posted by Maskirovka
careful, shuzer...he might ignore my post because you posted after me...he likes to ignore things he has no answer for.

He'll probably ignore it regardless, but here, lemme make a nice little edit of mine

 

[Maskirovka]

Originally posted by Shuzer
He'll probably ignore it regardless, but here, lemme make a nice little edit of mine

wait...next he'll say how we're being somehow bad because we keep asking him to answer relevant questions.

except he'll say "get off your high horse and stop pirating stuff! i don't have to answer your pirate questions! pirates are piraters!"

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
because i know how pirates think

and they furiously are against things like longhorn because they are afraid some day they might have to pay for software they want. and they continually ignore that companies will benefit from something like this.

everyone hail to the "all-knowing" Posey :upstare:

seriously, its a waste of time to discuss anything with u on this topic because only ur reasons, ur views are in the right .. well according to u at least.. so have fun discussing with urself since what anyone else seems to point out does not matter to u.

Originally posted by Maskirovka
feel free to stop by #ircforum on gamesnet to discuss this or whatever else you want...everyone is welcome.

even Posey's fantasy economic system is welcome there? /oh boy i gotta go there! :upstare: