Do you believe in spanking?

This is the question!

  • To spank!

    Votes: 79 60.3%

  • Or not to Spank!

    Votes: 52 39.7%
  • Total voters
    131
It's illegal here too I think.

Bring back the cane for chavs though.
 
Spanking is a dumb way to dicipline a child, it's better just to pistol whip the little bastard and say you don't love him
 
Recoil said:
I suppose this regards one's own children...: when you really gotta hit'em, you've done something wrong.
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I disagree completely, that would mean that children haven't had the room to grow and push the boundaries and to make mistakes. A child should be stopped from making big mistakes and guided gently in the right direction, but a child should make mistakes though, so they can see the outcome of their mistakes and learn from it. But i also suppose it's just a different way of looking at it.

Also, one doesn't require children to have a point of view on how to raise them and just because someone has children, doesn't mean their opinion is worth anymore than anyone elses. There are people out there who aren't parents who would make better parents than a quite a far bit of the actual parents out there, they just haven't had that opportunity just yet in their life.

Never, mostly because the country i come from its illigal to even tuch your children in a violent way. Lets say a dad spanks his kid...he gets like, 2-5 years in jail i think. Can some swede here get some info? im to lazy.

Spanking ur own children is sick...just talk reason into them instead.
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That is an absolutely horrible country, but then i don't think the UK is much better. And anyway, people can pull all of the crackpot theories out of their arse they like, a good spank to a child that has done wrong is a darnsite better then screaming at them for 5 minutes and calling them everyone name under the sun - physical punishment done right is quick slap across the back of the legs, the child learns his/her lesson, feels a little sore and is made to understand both before and after why he/she is getting spanked and that the parent is doing it for the childs good and is doing it because they love the child. A lot of people in here, even some who are so called parents, are seeing spanking as a violent act of abuse where a child is grabbed, beaten and thrown in the corner and not what spanking should be. A good spank is also, in my opinion, a lot better than being screamed and shouted at for five minutes and where the child just walks away hating the parent even more due to a)not understanding why they're being shouted at, and b) seeing it as an act of demeaning them.
 
Farrowlesparrow said:
I think a big problem here is that...nobody is really sure what everyone else means when they talk about spanking.

Slap a baby when its done something wrong, is part of nature. If a baby touches a fire, because it doesn't know better, then the fire doesn't sit it down and talk it out...it burns it. If a baby kicks you when you're putting its nappy on, then you just slap its leg. Not hard, but just so it knows that if it kicks you, then it'l get what it dealt out.

Spanking doesn't work past a couple of years really, unless its really hard in which case I think you can use the word beating. Though, if the parents have been moderate with the physical punishment, then really just the idea that your parent is willing to hit you, is enough to make you think twice because (and I'm talking about when you're at the age when you can start to reason) you know they must be really mad, and you must have done something really wrong.

This has been my experience :)

(Then theres a whole range of other things. Like my fighting with my older brothers and father. It was never "I'm trying to kill you" but we did often bruise each other...but thats just part of toughening you up :p Lead by example, and teach by experience.)
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Agreed 100%.
 
No, i think Hazar thought came up with a really witty remark that he must be applauded for but had to dig up a 2 year old thread to do it.
 
Spanking and screaming are both retarded ways to punish a kid. You want a kid to stop pushing mom and pop around, cut his privileges, and do it properly (no "last chances"). Explain to them why it's wrong and what happens if they continue doing it.
 
99.vikram said:
Spanking and screaming are both retarded ways to punish a kid. You want a kid to stop pushing mom and pop around, cut his privileges, and do it properly (no "last chances"). Explain to them why it's wrong and what happens if they continue doing it.
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Some kids don't react to that sort of thing, trust me. I have been WITNESS to one kid going to their room screaming when something was taken away, and start kicking and pounding on the walls in a temper tantrum. I wasn't there for after the fact, but I heard later that it went on for several days until the parents caved in.

You take away the favorite things of some kids, and they STILL don't do what they're told, or what they know they have to do. I had my games taken away for quite a while one time, because my grades were suffering tremendously. They still suffered long after the fact. Why? Because I was still rebelling and not doing the work, JUST because I had my games taken away. I knew that they couldn't keep me off my games forever, and they didn't.


WHATEVER the method... It needs to be reinforced completely and with lots of commitment. Kids that grow up with total disregard to society, the people who live in it, and the authorities that are around because their parents always were too lenient or just not persistent enough... those are the problems of many societies. Chavs are a good example. I'm sure most of them had parents that just buckled under their tantrum ways, then they got into hanging out with others like themselves, and things just spiralled out of control.
 
Spanking is wrong because it teaches children that violence is a valid way of getting someone to behave as you wish them to.

End of.
 
Raziaar said:
Some kids don't react to that sort of thing, trust me. I have been WITNESS to one kid going to their room screaming when something was taken away, and start kicking and pounding on the walls in a temper tantrum. I wasn't there for after the fact, but I heard later that it went on for several days until the parents caved in.
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You've seen a kid do that? I had to live with a kid like that for almost a month during my hols. If the kid is particularly unresponsive, just ignore him/her completely for a couple of days. Sorts them out real good.
 
Raziaar said:
Some kids don't react to that sort of thing, trust me. I have been WITNESS to one kid going to their room screaming when something was taken away, and start kicking and pounding on the walls in a temper tantrum. I wasn't there for after the fact, but I heard later that it went on for several days until the parents caved in.
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several days ..i find that extremely hard to believe ..I've worked with some of the most violent kids you'll ever meet ..an example one of the students had strangled every last one of him pets to death ..from a bunny rabbit to a parakeet in a single sitting at the age of 6 ..another one was removed because he stabbed his mother with a fork several times and you're trying to tell me a "normal" kid cannot be reasoned with, come on, even my worst students could be talked down out a situation with enough effort ..and guess what? not once did I spank any of my students ..there was this one kid ..5'6" 240 pounds who when angry would literally scream for 2 hours straight to the point that he'd lose his voice/blood vessels around eyes would burst ..and the things he said would make a sailor blush "you motrher****ing bastard cock ****ing mother****er **** you mother ****er " ...on and on and on

I'm sorry guys but until you are faced with whether to spank or not all this is mere speculation ..you dont know how you'll react till you're faced with it

razor said:
Also, one doesn't require children to have a point of view on how to raise them and just because someone has children, doesn't mean their opinion is worth anymore than anyone elses.
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I'm sorry but you're completely wrong ..your opinion is invalidated because you really have nothing to draw experience from ..everything you think about child rearing throw it out the door because you're not prepared for no matter ow much you plan ..it really is life/attitude changing

believe it or not at the age that some of you are I too believed a little spanking was harmless ...I dont believe that now

Razor said:
And anyway, people can pull all of the crackpot theories out of their arse they like, a good spank to a child that has done wrong is a darnsite better then screaming at them for 5 minutes and calling them everyone name under the sun - physical punishment done right is quick slap across the back of the legs, the child learns his/her lesson, feels a little sore and is made to understand both before and after why he/she is getting spanked and that the parent is doing it for the childs good and is doing it because they love the child
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please do not have children ..if you cant deal with a screaming child for 5 minutes you're not fit to be a parent ..that comes with the territory ..if a kid doesnt scream bloody murder/throw tantrums on a weekly if not daily basis there's something wrong with them

oh and crackpot theories? I puit my "theories" to practice on a daily basis ...you? I know they work
 
My dad spanked me, when I did something bad.

It hurt, but I didn't do it again.



Have you ever heard of the saying...

"The poison is in the quantity"

Apples are poisoness if you eat enough of them. Same with spanking; disiplinary actions are good if given in measured doses for good reasons. It isn't a black and white issue, like most things in life. It is more of a question when it is appropriate, and when it isn't.
 
I was hit on the ass whenever I did something wrong, and I turned out better than everyone on this forum :)

I think spanking children on their butt (not incredibly hard) should be allowed. As soon as animals touch an electric fence, they know never to do it again. Very simple.

A lot of guys I know that didn't get hit turned out to be spoilt bastards that didn't listen to anything their parents said, and were on pot at 14. Before the age of 18 I would never have dared even swear infront of my parents.
 
several days ..i find that extremely hard to believe ..I've worked with some of the most violent kids you'll ever meet ..an example one of the students had strangled every last one of him pets to death ..from a bunny rabbit to a parakeet in a single sitting at the age of 6 ..another one was removed because he stabbed his mother with a fork several times and you're trying to tell me a "normal" kid cannot be reasoned with, come on, even my worst students could be talked down out a situation with enough effort ..and guess what? not once did I spank any of my students ..there was this one kid ..5'6" 240 pounds who when angry would literally scream for 2 hours straight to the point that he'd lose his voice/blood vessels around eyes would burst ..and the things he said would make a sailor blush "you motrher****ing bastard cock ****ing mother****er **** you mother ****er " ...on and on and on

I'm sorry guys but until you are faced with whether to spank or not all this is mere speculation ..you dont know how you'll react till you're faced with it
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Yeah, way to call me a liar captain stern. You just assume i'm lying because you've worked with violent kids? Puh-lease.... I wasn't lying.


I like my uncles technique though... he calls it "the wall". He straps the kid up onto the wall, suspended upside down by duct tape, and throws knives at them until they scream and pass out.


But seriously, he makes them stand against the wall, nose touching at all times. If they sit down or turn around or anything, he just increases the time that they have to stand against the wall.

I must have spent a good 30 hours total standing against the wall when I lived in alaska, for some of the shit I pulled. Heh. Between the ages of 9 and 12.
 
A good spanking did me no harm....

But I have a question, does spanking determine your sexuality?
 
I would rather children obey their parents out of respect than out of fear of punishment.
 
Some kids I see that didnt recieve corporal punishment sometimes turn out quite bad, and very disrespectful to others, and most kids ive seen that recieved some kind of it, usually are very respectful, but thats just what I saw in my own experience.
 
Raziaar said:
Yeah, way to call me a liar captain stern. You just assume i'm lying because you've worked with violent kids? Puh-lease.... I wasn't lying.
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I wasnt calling you a liar ..all I'm saing that it's highly unlikely ..and yes I'm speaking from experience working with some of the worst kids imaginable ...and I still dont believe ...I dont think you're lying but I think it's either exaggerated or hearsay
 
imo i dont see much wrong with an occasional (rare) spank :p, people have been using corporal punishment-spanking for their kids for thousands of years, all of a sudden these last few years its: "OMG YOU CANT SPANK A KID!! TRAUMA'S OMG"
 
Ome_Vince said:
imo i dont see much wrong with an occasional (rare) spank :p, people have been using corporal punishment-spanking for their kids for thousands of years, all of a sudden these last few years its: "OMG YOU CANT SPANK A KID!! TRAUMA'S OMG"
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people have been sacrificing virgins to the moon gods for eons as well ...times change


I'd like to point out that it is FAR more difficult to raise a kid without spanking than it is to spank them
 
@Sterno, i agree its harder without, and very possible.
But i dont think its wrong per definition.

Also, your being rediculous with that example -> Sacrificing virgins to moon gods and corporal punishment-spanking for children are worlds apart.
If corporal punishment-spanking was per definition wrong, and causes trauma or whatever, complete generations (lets take the last 100 years as example) would have been ruined, miraculously, kids being spanked or not in their youth hasnt altered the amount of wako's or "good people" that walk around aye?
 
Did you know in bad cases of ADD they give kids highly addictive and destructive drugs? Whats worse, spanking your kid so they behave or giving them destructive and addictive drugs? Child abuse isn't always in the form of bruises.
 
Ome_Vince said:
@Sterno, i agree its harder without, and very possible.
But i dont think its wrong per definition.

Also, your being rediculous with that example -> Sacrificing virgins to moon gods and corporal punishment-spanking for children are worlds apart.
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I thought it was obvious that I wasnt directly comparing them

Ome_Vince said:
If corporal punishment-spanking was per definition wrong, and causes trauma or whatever, complete generations (lets take the last 100 years as example) would have been ruined, miraculously, kids being spanked or not in their youth hasnt altered the amount of wako's or "good people" that walk around aye?
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50 years ago most men held the idea that women were inferior ..there wasnt an epidemic of women being raped/beaten/bartered/etc
 
Most times the threat of a spanking will calm child down. Still, it's personal choice to spank or not. Arguing personal opinions won't get this thread anywhere.
 
except mine isnt a personal opinion ..it's an opinion held by the majority of educators. child pyschiatrists etc
 
CptStern said:
please do not have children ..if you cant deal with a screaming child for 5 minutes you're not fit to be a parent ..that comes with the territory ..if a kid doesnt scream bloody murder/throw tantrums on a weekly if not daily basis there's something wrong with them
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Who are you to judge my parenting skills from one post, for that matter, only knowing me through an internet based forum. You seem to be very confrontational with everyone, i hope you never have children.:rolleyes:

And i have been raised with brothers and sisters and children and a child that screams and shouts everyday or once a week is not a normal child. And why exactly are those children you are looking after that way, is it through parents who haven't displined their children correctly i.e. no discipline at all or very bad discipline i.e. regular beatings or psychological abuse. Spanking is a last resort for any parent.
 
Razor said:
Who are you to judge my parenting skills from one post, for that matter, only knowing me through an internet based forum. You seem to be very confrontational with everyone, i hope you never have children.:rolleyes:
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too late, I have 2 of them

oh and I was being general when I said dont have children ..as in "if you cant handle crying for 5 mins you shouldnt be a parent" ..like you said I dont know you and I'm not going to make a snap judgement based on what little I do know

Razor said:
And i have been raised with brothers and sisters and children and a child that screams and shouts everyday or once a week is not a normal child.
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I'm talking from birth on

Razor said:
And why exactly are those children you are looking after that way, is it through parents who haven't displined their children correctly i.e. no discipline at all or very bad discipline i.e. regular beatings or psychological abuse. Spanking is a last resort for any parent.
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those kids came from different backgrounds ..some had loving responsible parents others did not ..all had psychological/emotional problems and every one of them were mentally handicapped ..everything from fragile x to autism to downs syndrome
 
CptStern said:
I thought it was obvious that I wasnt directly comparing them
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No, but your counter-example was rediculous and not even close to the same scale as giving a kid a spank when he/she's extremely naughty :)

Its like me saying: "People made fires with sticks and stoned for thousands of years, it worked pretty good"

Your response: "o yeah, well in the past they thought certain women were witches and used to drown them in lakes"

:p Your taking a rediculed example to counter using the past as example.
Kids have been raised with/without spanking (dependant on the parent/child) for thousands of years and i cant say i've seen less loonies around now ppl see spanking kids as "o noes you cant do that".

CptStern said:
50 years ago most men held the idea that women were inferior ..there wasnt an epidemic of women being raped/beaten/bartered/etc
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Clearly you didnt get what i'm saying. I'm saying not-spanking a kid or spanking kids as an accepted method of correction, hasnt changed a dam thing -> hasnt changed the amount of wako's around (positive of negative), or decreased/increased the amount of people with psychological problems.

Each kid is different and requires adjustment. There are kids that are extremely easy to raise/correct, and there are kids that sometimes require alternative methods.

I'm not pro-spanking, dont get me wrong, but i'm not against it either. Preferbly without, but if certain kids require an occasional spank to keep in line, then let it be.
Spanking is not abusing or molesting or something...
 
Ome_Vince said:
No, but your counter-example was rediculous and not even close to the same scale as giving a kid a spank when he/she's extremely naughty :)

Its like me saying: "People made fires with sticks and stoned for thousands of years, it worked pretty good"

Your response: "o yeah, well in the past they thought certain women were witches and used to drown them in lakes"

:p Your taking a rediculed example to counter using the past as example.
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ummmm no I'm not ..all I said was times change ...I even mentioned it at the time


Ome_Vince said:
Kids have been raised with/without spanking (dependant on the parent/child) for thousands of years and i cant say i've seen less loonies around now ppl see spanking kids as "o noes you cant do that".
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says who? the majority of people here are for spanking ..obviously spanking hasnt been eradicated so your point doesnt really hold up ..now were everyone to follow the exact same methodology and after 20 years we returned to compare how the the 2 groups fared you'd have a point ..but as it stands there is NO set forumla for child rearing



Ome_Vince said:
Clearly you didnt get what i'm saying. I'm saying not-spanking a kid or spanking kids as an accepted method of correction, hasnt changed a dam thing -> hasnt changed the amount of wako's around (positive of negative), or decreased/increased the amount of people with psychological problems.
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you couldnt possibly come to such a conclusion because there is NO standardized method of rearing children ..without any sort of measuring stick we couldnt accurately tell you what effects what

Ome_Vince said:
Each kid is different and requires adjustment. There are kids that are extremely easy to raise/correct, and there are kids that sometimes require alternative methods.
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I've worked with the worst children imagineable .."alternative methods" do nothing ..spanking a child who is that far gone is completely ineffectual ..they learn absolutely nothing

Ome_Vince said:
I'm not pro-spanking, dont get me wrong, but i'm not against it either. Preferbly without, but if certain kids require an occasional spank to keep in line, then let it be.
Spanking is not abusing or molesting or something...
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spanking is humiliating, it produces pain, it gives children less self worth ..not something I'm willing to do with my children
 
I know a lot of people who I really really wish had gotten spanks when they were little.
 
CptStern said:
I've worked with the worst children imagineable .."alternative methods" do nothing ..spanking a child who is that far gone is completely ineffectual ..they learn absolutely nothing
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Well of course... their brains do not work quite the same as other children who do not suffer from the conditions.
 
I was brought up with the idea of if I didn't something I knew was wrong and I REALLY shouldn't have done, then I was going to get the switch/belt. It tought me that I can't go through life without thinking the wrongs I do have no consequences. I didn't use it with the idea that causing pain makes people bend to my will. I find the lack of discipline in this world these days is the reason the children here, for lack fo a better word, suck. They go around doing whatever they want, acting however they want, not giving a rats ass wh at everybody else thinks/does.

People may have done studies and all the fancy stuff about spanking the child, but the fact remains, it was huge with your grandpa/father, and they turned out, for the most part, well rounded, decent people. It can't be near as bad as everybody is holding it out to be if the world has lived with child discipline that way for hundreds of years and the world is still spinning.
 
Raziaar said:
Well of course... their brains do not work quite the same as other children who do not suffer from the conditions.
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I've seen it with "normal" kids as well



I think people equate not spanking a child with letting them do whatever they please, which just isnt the case ..the opposite in fact is true ..you have to work that much harder because you dont use spanking as the be all and end of discipline
 
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