Doctor Who: Season 4

[Asknoone]

I've watched the show a few times this season, if only out of pure boredom and like for Tennant, and I must say, what crock. I can't seem to fathom why anyone actually likes Dr. Who. Granted, I have never liked it, but right now it's just so bad. It reeks of the arch-typical, badly written and low budget British attempt at a serious show to appeal to a majority of people – hello People Of Britain – without any standards. It is the epitome of bad science fiction and in this regard it is worse than Star Wars. It's so distasteful and cliche. Davies is such a talentless hack.

What is good about it? Apart from Tennant. He doesn't count.

 

[-Psy-]

The theme tune.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

These

 

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daleks
cybermen
the master
davros

 

[ríomhaire]

Some writers are better than Davies. Davies is the man in charge but thankfully he doesn't write all the scripts.

 

[Eejit]

What is good about it?

It doesn't take itself too seriously.

 

[stemot]

I've watched the show a few times this season, if only out of pure boredom and like for Tennant, and I must say, what crock. I can't seem to fathom why anyone actually likes Dr. Who. Granted, I have never liked it, but right now it's just so bad. It reeks of the arch-typical, badly written and low budget British attempt at a serious show to appeal to a majority of people ? hello People Of Britain ? without any standards. It is the epitome of bad science fiction and in this regard it is worse than Star Wars. It's so distasteful and cliche. Davies is such a talentless hack.

What is good about it? Apart from Tennant. He doesn't count.

Again, I get tired of saying this, because you consider it badly written crap, doesn't mean it is, I mean, we all know you pretty much hate everything as it is anyway, so I'm not going to waste by breath.

Your entitled to your opinion, but 7+ million viewers every ep would disagree.

 

[Asknoone]

Again, I get tired of saying this, because you consider it badly written crap, doesn't mean it is, I mean, we all know you pretty much hate everything as it is anyway, so I'm not going to waste by breath.

Your entitled to your opinion, but 7+ million viewers every ep would disagree.

Like it all you want, love it all you want, but that does not change the fact that the writing is mediocre. And the latter point is moot. See Coronation Street/Eastenders/similar shite viewership.

And I respectfully disagree, my good man, I do not hate everything. I simply have refined taste!

It doesn't take itself too seriously.

I think it does, actually.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

This is all mis-directed anger because you're ashamed of your heritage, Samon... it's tragic, really.

 

[Eejit]

I think it does, actually.

"Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey".

 

[stemot]

Like it all you want, love it all you want, but that does not change the fact that the writing is mediocre. And the latter point is moot. See Coronation Street/Eastenders/similar shite viewership.

And I respectfully disagree, my good man, I do not hate everything. I simply have refined taste!



I think it does, actually.

No, the writing is mediocre in your eyes, in many other peoples eye's it is not, you are not the final word on what is bad and what isn't, your opinion, not fact.

Also, yes, admit it, you do pretty much hate everything, go on, you know it's true you are hate filled

 

[knut]

That's what I don't get, you say "It's hard to take his upbeat attitude seriously when, compared to Tom Baker, it pales somewhat. " as if that's the only thing Tennant has in his repertoire as The Doctor but as we dicussed earlier, Tennant has more than that up his sleeve, also, isn't comparing to Tom Baker and finding he comes up short a little harsh, considering that every Doctor that came after him was, against Tom Baker, sub standard. In fact Eccelston and Tennant are the probably the first Doctors that can even compare with him.

Whether you used to watch the show religiously as a kid or not, if your not enjoying it, then it's time to stop watching, the direction the show has taken has proved successful and I think will continue to be this way, which for me at least, is a good thing, as I think it's better than it ever was.

How can it be harsh to compare him when, in your own words, the two latest have been the only ones that can compare with him? I can't explain it, I just find him to very unappealing.

I've already said why I still watch it - sometimes, it can be alright. Blink, for instance. What if I had stopped watching and missed that fantastic episode? It's not like I'm short for time so I relish the chance to sit down and watch some TV.

Whether or not the shows direction has proved successful isn't going to sway my opinion of the show. Maybe I'm the spanner in the works but I don't like the flashy, overly dramatic BIG EXPLOSIONS AND EPIC MUSIC LOL JOKES direction it has taken.

 

[stemot]

How can it be harsh to compare him when, in your own words, the two latest have been the only ones that can compare with him? I can't explain it, I just find him to very unappealing.

I've already said why I still watch it - sometimes, it can be alright. Blink, for instance. What if I had stopped watching and missed that fantastic episode? It's not like I'm short for time so I relish the chance to sit down and watch some TV.

Whether or not the shows direction has proved successful isn't going to sway my opinion of the show. Maybe I'm the spanner in the works but I don't like the flashy, overly dramatic BIG EXPLOSIONS AND EPIC MUSIC LOL JOKES direction it has taken.

Ah, weel, spose at the end of the day, if you dopn't like it you don't like it, but I ****in love it

 

[Iron Kat]

I've just set a great challenge for my parents! I've challenged them name at least one person in each episode who has died, except for four of the episodes. In series' one and two there are for episodes that do not have any deaths. They have to identify these episodes as well. That's 54 episodes in total (including the four with no deaths) that they have to identify.

 

[Eejit]

Father's Day, The Doctor Dances (just for once, everybody lives!), Blink, not sure which other off the top of my head.

 

[Iron Kat]

Father's Day, The Doctor Dances (just for once, everybody lives!), Blink, not sure which other off the top of my head.

Wrong. In Blink both Sally's friend Cathy and the police officer Billy Shipton die. For Father's Day I actually thought of the Groom's father, but maybe that doesn't count because he would come back at the end. Pete Tyler couldn't be included in that anyway because he's supposed to die. You're right about The Doctor Dances, though!

 

[stemot]

Wrong. In Blink both Sally's friend Cathy and the police officer Billy Shipton die. For Father's Day I actually thought of the Groom's father, but maybe that doesn't count because he would come back at the end. Pete Tyler couldn't be included in that anyway because he's supposed to die. You're right about The Doctor Dances, though!

They don't actually die unnaturally though, they are just forced to live their natural lives out their time, so really that doesn't count as a death

 

[Eejit]

The Girl in the Fireplace?
The Empty Child ofc since it's the other half of The Doctor Dances.

 

[simonjedi]

How about Fear Her from Season 2

 

[Iron Kat]

They don't actually die unnaturally though, they are just forced to live their natural lives out their time, so really that doesn't count as a death

But they still die, which is why I'm including them!

Fear Her and The Doctor Dances don't have any deaths so Eejit and Simon, you are both correct!! In the Girl in the Fireplace Reinette dies. A lot of people probably wouldn't say Reinette because the Doctor isn't there when she dies and she didn't die unnaturally, but, as I stated above, she still dies, regardless of whether it was unnatural or not!

 

[Eejit]

Ah you're right I guess, though her death isn't shown.

 

[Slug Advisor]

Watched Journey's End. It was actually half-decent, I'm pleasantly surprised, my previous experiences with DW weren't that great.

 

[Reginald]

What?

What?

WHAT?

That was amazing. :E

 

[Iron Kat]

Wasn't actually quite as intense as I was expecting, but still very intense!!

Spoiler

I loved the 'two Doctors' thing and i was really happy when Rose and the other Doctor kissed!!! Yay!!!

 

[Eejit]

Hopefully we're permanently rid of mumbles-lisp and hiss

Anyone else thinking we just saw who the new cast members for Torchwood Season 3 will be?


Pretty good episode, but I was also expecting it to be a bit more extreme.

 

[stemot]

Brilliant episode, slightly pissed off that I knew everything that was going to happen in regards to the doctor and rose from various sources, so i'm staying clear in future.

Series 4 is without doubt Catherine Tate's, she was amazing the whole series. I also love that both Davros and Caan were not shown to die, they are to great in their new forms to be killed off, although I still don't understand why

Spoiler

Caan betrayed Davros

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Now, just one question remains.....did that count as a tenth regeneration?

Hopefully we're permanently rid of mumbles-lisp and hiss

Anyone else thinking we just saw who the new cast members for Torchwood Season 3 will be?


Pretty good episode, but I was also expecting it to be a bit more extreme.

Yes, we did, I can guarantee it.

 

[Eejit]

I think it does count as the tenth regeneration, he did regenerate, just tricked his way around one of the side-effects.

 

[stemot]

I think it does count as the tenth regeneration, he did regenerate, just tricked his way around one of the side-effects.

I would agree I think. So, can anyone tell me? Over on Outpost Gallifrey they are saying that Caan was actually a good guy trying to end the Dalek menace, is this true, can anyone explain his motives?

 

[Eejit]

Yeah he seemed to be saying he saw the damage their race had caused and wanted to help end it. Though I don't understand why he simply didn't save Davros from the Time War if he came to this realisation during the attempt.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

That. Was. Shite.

 

[Eejit]

It had some redeeming parts.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

It had some redeeming parts.

The German Daleks. That was pretty much it.

 

[Eejit]

The German Daleks. That was pretty much it.

Davros pointing out how he changes his companions.

 

[stemot]

Davros pointing out how he changes his companions.

Davros full stop really, he was amazing, as well as:-

Donna's final scenes,

The explanation between Chris Eccelstons readiness to use weapons and cause mass murder and Tennants pacifist doctor, then the subsequent mass genocide of the Daleks by the new doctor,

Gita from Eastenders being turned to dust

Finally, Dalek Caan realising the Evil of the Daleks and choosing to orchestrate their destruction, and well, Dalek Caan in general this series.

This episode was made of Win, and I don't give a toss what anyone else thinks

 

[Eejit]

I think it was poorly structured though - half the episode was basically just building things up so Davros could show the Doctor what his companions had become - their actions were essentially futile apart from that. And it didn't even (seem to) affect him that much anyway...

Despite Davros and Caan it wasn't as good as Season 3's finale episodes imo. Not bad, but not up there with the greatest, despite having one of the best villains.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

I think it was poorly structured though - half the episode was basically just building things up so Davros could show the Doctor what his companions had become - their actions were essentially futile apart from that. And it didn't even (seem to) affect him that much anyway...

Despite Davros and Caan it wasn't as good as Season 3's finale episodes imo. Not bad, but not up there with the greatest, despite having one of the best villains.

I agree completely, and I actually thought it was really lame how Caan suddenly turned good. I'm tired of that happening with Daleks.

 

[stemot]

I agree completely, and I actually thought it was really lame how Caan suddenly turned good. I'm tired of that happening with Daleks.

He didn't suddenly turn good, it may appear that way in the episode, but there is enough exposition after the reveal for it to be apparent that he has been betraying the Daleks for a while, funneling the Doctor and Donna to this point.

Also, while I agree that Master was an excellent villain, the story he was in was not, at least for me, anywhere near this two parter, but I believe I'm just repeating myself from last week now

 

[Eejit]

Also, while I agree that Master was an excellent villain, the story he was in was not, at least for me, anywhere near this two parter, but I believe I'm just repeating myself from last week now

Last week we didn't have this second half. As I said, I think it was poorly structured. I didn't like how entirely pointless the Supreme Dalek turned out to be either.
There were also a few niggling plot holes.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

Last week we didn't have this second half. As I said, I think it was poorly structured. I didn't like how entirely pointless the Supreme Dalek turned out to be either.
There were also a few niggling plot holes.

A few?

I had that same problem- Jack, Mickey, Jackie, Sarah Jane- they all did absolutely shit. Everything was solved with rambling technobabble and flipping of switches, the Daleks turned out to be useless idiots who ALL DIE- AGAIN! Argh!

 

[stemot]

Last week we didn't have this second half. As I said, I think it was poorly structured. I didn't like how entirely pointless the Supreme Dalek turned out to be either.
There were also a few niggling plot holes.

I disagree, but again, that's just me. I found series 3 finale to be a let down, by that I mean, the way in which The Doctor stopped the Master's plan (the whole name chanting thing) and then the "Big Ole' Reset" button being pressed and everything being alright again.

Only The Master and Tennant really shone in that finale, and it wasn't enough for me.

This time I've had:- Tennant x2, Davros, Daleks (again) Donna Noble Half Timelord (fantastic performance from Catherine) and story closure (sob), Amazingly brilliant Dalek Caan, Wilf and a brilliant resolution to the arc in that they never threw a reset switch.

As for the structure, I thought the story went where it need to and in the right places, and it flowed fantastically.

Everyone has different things they want from an episode though, so I would never presume to tell you if you should have enjoyed it or not, jst saying I disagree is all

A few?

I had that same problem- Jack, Mickey, Jackie, Sarah Jane- they all did absolutely shit. Everything was solved with rambling technobabble and flipping of switches, the Daleks turned out to be useless idiots who ALL DIE- AGAIN! Argh!

As pointed out on some of the Who forums, the techno babble did actually explain everything donna was doing, even though it was said very fast.

Also, is there some reason why every character in the show has to be there to do something critical to stopping the villain? Some where there just because they wanted to help even though they could not do much, sounds quite plausible to me. As for the Daleks being idiots, they were all tricked by Caan, who was a Dalek, who they would never suspect would trick one of his own kind, especially after saving their creator from the Time War, they were not idiots, just had no concept of betrayal due to their lack of emotions.