Doctor Who: Season 4

The master episodes were more immersive but then it was all ruined by the last part of the master arc :(
 
At least the Master arc was a season finale not based on Daleks again.
And for the record, I loved the whole thing, those episodes are right up there with Blink and Dalek imo.
 
Eejit said:
I disagree Stemot, it's good, but not as good as the Master's episodes.
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This was far more intense than the Masters episode, with more plot threads, and as good as John Simm was as the Master, Julian Bleaches Davros was a far more intimidating foe.
 
stemot said:
This was far more intense than the Masters episode, with more plot threads, and as good as John Simm was as the Master, Julian Bleaches Davros was a far more intimidating foe.
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Nah this was just boosted by the "omgaweshens everyone's teaming up!!1" factor. Davros is good, but the rest of it was pretty meh.
Of course, final judgement has to wait till the second part. It's a two-parter for a reason.
 
Eejit said:
Nah this was just boosted by the "omgaweshens everyone's teaming up!!1" factor. Davros is good, but the rest of it was pretty meh.
Of course, final judgement has to wait till the second part. It's a two-parter for a reason.
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Not at all, it was boosted by the Dalaks invading earth with, what looks like FINALLY in Dr Who, a real invasion force which makes it believable. The awesomeness of Davros, who has been sent back to his Wisher roots and an excellent cliffhanger ending which by the looks of it on here, nobody expected.

Sometimes I wonder why people watch the new series if they don't get anything out of it except "meh".
 
Definitely requires a second watching but how come Jack had absolutely no reaction at all to Rose? And she had no reaction to him either although one can fill in the gaps by saying she's done her research...

This episode requires heavy second watching before I even consider rating it. Not even sure if I enjoyed it as an episode yet...
 
Reginald said:
Definitely requires a second watching but how come Jack had absolutely no reaction at all to Rose? And she had no reaction to him either although one can fill in the gaps by saying she's done her research...

This episode requires heavy second watching before I even consider rating it. Not even sure if I enjoyed it as an episode yet...
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They had a little more on their plate at that moment than formal hello's don't ya think?
 
Davros was awesome. Could of done with more ranting but his calm approach to the Doctor was good too. I expect we'll see him angry in the next episode when he'll more than likely lose to the Doctor (sadly)

Rest of the episode was standard Who stuff, pretty bland on the whole, but to see and hear Davros FINALLY was brilliant, so kudos.

Lol'd hard at ''My vision is not impaired'' - such a 'you're doing it wrong' moment. :LOL:
 
TheAntipop said:
Davros was awesome. Could of done with more ranting but his calm approach to the Doctor was good too. I expect we'll see him angry in the next episode when he'll more than likely lose to the Doctor (sadly)

Rest of the episode was standard Who stuff, pretty bland on the whole, but to see and hear Davros FINALLY was brilliant, so kudos.

Lol'd hard at ''My vision is not impaired'' - such a 'you're doing it wrong' moment. :LOL:
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Well, at least they did one thing right in your eyes for a change :D
 
The whole episode seemed like the writers jerking eachother off

OH SHIT YEAH ROSE AND JACK, OH YEAH COMPANIONS GETTING TOGETHER MMMMMM

Also I find it quite gay we aren't getting a new Doctor
 
Dalamari said:
The whole episode seemed like the writers jerking eachother off

OH SHIT YEAH ROSE AND JACK, OH YEAH COMPANIONS GETTING TOGETHER MMMMMM

Also I find it quite gay we aren't getting a new Doctor
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Jesus, the Dr Who team give us one of the best (if not the best) penultimate episodes since Who's return in 2005 and all people can do is bitch and moan.

Yeah, the companions all came back, so what? This is what RTD has been leading up to since the first series. The whole 4 series are in reality one big story arc, yes, even series 3 because I know we have not seen the last of the Master yet (next years specials).
This isn't some mass writer orgy session, it's the culmination of 4 years buildup of Dalek story line, of course they are going to bring everyone back together to fight for the earth.
 
Each previous season wrapped up its own storyline rather well, this merely seems like the writers are pulling at all of their loose threads and playing all of their get-out-of-plot-free cards at once and expecting us to think they are geniuses. It was still a decent episode, but I'm siding with Dalamari on this one.

Look at it objectively, you know it to be true.
 
stemot said:
Jesus, the Dr Who team give us one of the best (if not the best) penultimate episodes since Who's return in 2005 and all people can do is bitch and moan.
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"This country has been sick, this country needs healing, this country needs medicine – in fact I'd go so far as to say that, what this country really needs, right now, is a Doctor."

vs

"Welcome - Doctor - To my new empire."


The Master's finale was much better. He did what he does best - playing the Doctor at his own game, rather than just another Dalek invasion for the 50th time.
 
AHA-Lambda said:
also did anyone else whout what the **** at that ridiculously OTT to be continued screen? o_O
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Yes. It was very much "Woah, where did the graphics from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy come from?"

Anyway, yeah, good episode this. Yes the Daleks invade again and the Time War is reset again and the Daleks are flying again but if we could only just, like, forget Doomsday ever happened, since that is clearly the weakest of the season finales it's not so bad. Davros was awesome, and good choice to make Kaan insane, means the bloody cult of Skaro won't temporal shift in to raise the ratings again.

Oh and as someone who doesn't watch Sarah Jane adventures; What. The. ****. Is that really what the show is like? She has a talking computer designed by the special effects people who worked on Fraggle Rock and drives around in her J337-Jane car solving alien crises with her son? Shit.
Clearly Harriet Jones, Former Prime Minister was not the one who should've died, quite obviously it was her.The only interesting thing they could have done with her for this episode was to play up the fact that she's encountered the Daleks and Davros before (Unless I'm mistaking, Sarah Jane was Baker's companion at the time of Genesis of the Daleks, right?
 
Has anyone figured out the lack of Dalek shields yet? Deus ex or could they not copy Caan's or what?
 
Eejit said:
"This country has been sick, this country needs healing, this country needs medicine ? in fact I'd go so far as to say that, what this country really needs, right now, is a Doctor."

vs

"Welcome - Doctor - To my new empire."


The Master's finale was much better. He did what he does best - playing the Doctor at his own game, rather than just another Dalek invasion for the 50th time.
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I disagree, besides if your comparing episode cliffhangers:-

The Toclafane

vs

Tennant's unexpected regeneration, it's no contest really.

Also, again, as good as Simms master was, Davros is a far superior enemy in my books.

Eejit said:
Has anyone figured out the lack of Dalek shields yet? Deus ex or could they not copy Caan's or what?
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Weren't the only Daleks destroyed the ones that were shot with Jacks and Rose's advanced alien weaponry?
 
Something that was a first for me in that episode was the fact that when you hear the "Exterminate" being repeated, that actually gave me a thrill of fear, something that has never happened with me before!! I've always wondered why everyone treats the Daleks as being the most terrifying creatures in the Universe, but hearing "exterminate" and seeing everyone react with absolute terror was pretty frightening!
 
stemot said:
Weren't the only Daleks destroyed the ones that were shot with Jacks and Rose's advanced alien weaponry?
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Correct, but when they are shot with conventional weapons they hit the metal casing rather than disintegrating on their energy shield as with their previous appearances.
 
Eejit said:
Correct, but when they are shot with conventional weapons they hit the metal casing rather than disintegrating on their energy shield as with their previous appearances.
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Ah right, didn't notice that, good eye's :D bit of a blunder, but I'd rather have sparks than bullets disappearing. Needs explaining though.
 
stemot said:
Ah right, didn't notice that, good eye's :D bit of a blunder, but I'd rather have sparks than bullets disappearing. Needs explaining though.
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Well Davros 'disappeared' near the start of the Time War - perhaps they hadn't developed their shield technology yet.
As for why they didn't reverse-engineer Caan's, maybe it was damaged?

It might allow Earth to fight back using conventional weapons like explosives? There must be some reason for it at least, I doubt they'd have a blunder that big in so many scenes.
 
Alright episode. Wasn't thrilled with it TBH. Davros was the best bit. Needs more Davros. Also, the Doctor can't regenerate as that contradicts the Library episodes AND MOFFAT'S EPISODES CANNOT BE CONTRADICTED!
 
riomhaire said:
Alright episode. Wasn't thrilled with it TBH. Davros was the best bit. Needs more Davros. Also, the Doctor can't regenerate as that contradicts the Library episodes AND MOFFAT'S EPISODES CANNOT BE CONTRADICTED!
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Wibbly wobbly timey wimey??

Although you are probably right good call sir :thumbs:
 
riomhaire said:
Alright episode. Wasn't thrilled with it TBH. Davros was the best bit. Needs more Davros. Also, the Doctor can't regenerate as that contradicts the Library episodes AND MOFFAT'S EPISODES CANNOT BE CONTRADICTED!
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Just to conentrate on the good; Davros. The look, the feel- to me it was like the old Davros. And I mean the old Davros, Genesis of the Daleks-Davros, which I think easily is the best one. It really felt like him on every level. Raised the whole episode, which wasn't bad in other respects. And I don't think he will regenerate, I think they'll cop out of it somehow which will actually bug me even more than if he did change.
 
The severed hand is clearly their get-out-of-changing-actor-free card.
 
They cut off the Doctor's hand mid-regeneration and stick on the jar-hand. This alters his morpholmalogical field and returns him to being David Tennant, which really has no significance to the plot and only serves to stop Rose getting upset.

That or he'll regenerate into Christopher Eccleston and have an epic shouting match with Davros only to get crushed by an elephant who tries to mate with his huge ears and regenerate back into Tennant.
 
riomhaire said:
They cut off the Doctor's hand mid-regeneration and stick on the jar-hand. This alters his morpholmalogical field and returns him to being David Tennant, which really has no significance to the plot and only serves to stop all the female fans getting upset.
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Fixed. At least going by the reactions to Saturday of most of the women I know who watch it.
 
**** off, Tennant, is my blunt verdict.

And yes, Davros was sublime. I'm not sure I feel about the whole torso thing, but other than that, great.
 
I have to confess that I was upset when the Doctor got shot by the dalek. My eyes were nearly welling up! It probably sounds quite pathetic to some of you guys, but I love the Doctor as David Tennant and didn't want him to leave!!!!!
 
TheAntipop said:
**** off, Tennant, is my blunt verdict.

And yes, Davros was sublime. I'm not sure I feel about the whole torso thing, but other than that, great.
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Tennant can stay, your hate for him is really quite unfounded, whether or not you like Eccelston better, Tennant is still an amazing actor and the BBC has his portrayal to thank for much of Doctor Who's mainstream success since 2006.

If you don't like him, fine, he'll be gone eventually, then you can bitch about his replacement instead of Tennant and the storylines.

I am somewhat miffed what you get out of watching new Who when your only comments are about how bad it is.

EDIT: Except for your liking Davros, strangely out of character for you :D ;)
 
stemot said:
Tennant can stay, your hate for him is really quite unfounded, whether or not you like Eccelston better, Tennant is still an amazing actor and the BBC has his looks to thank for much of Doctor Who's mainstream success since 2006.
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Fixed?


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It isn't unfounded, I just don't think he makes a good Doctor. And furthermore, I don't think it's fair that his regeneration *probably* isn't going to bring out a new Doctor. His times up, he should be gone, but yet I just know it's going to be oh, shock! Tennant's alive, mothers and small happy children rejoice as the sexy man is back to life with a spring in his step and a joke in his sleeve. Yaaaaay ^_________________^!!!

I don't know, theres just something about him I find incredibly grating. I didn't even find Eccelston that great for the matter, I just preferred him to David. Yes, he's a good actor, I'm not saying anything of that sort that would imply he isn't, he just doesn't feel like the Doctor to me. It's hard to take his upbeat attitude seriously when, compared to Tom Baker, it pales somewhat.

I watch Who because I grew up with Who. My uncle has every single episode on VHS and the newer DVD editions (he's even a Tardis to store them in, albiet smaller, more shelf like) and it's a show I've religiously watched for years to come, so it's only fair of me to continue watching it. And guess what, sometimes it is good and I feel happy, but for the most part it feels as if they've butchered the real feel to show. Everything feels brighter, glossier, happier. I just can't stand the direction it's taken.

I hope Moffat has some serious changes in mind.

Davros is great because he isn't any different to how he should be.
 
TheAntipop said:
It isn't unfounded, I just don't think he makes a good Doctor. And furthermore, I don't think it's fair that his regeneration *probably* isn't going to bring out a new Doctor. His times up, he should be gone, but yet I just know it's going to be oh, shock! Tennant's alive, mothers and small happy children rejoice as the sexy man is back to life with a spring in his step and a joke in his sleeve. Yaaaaay ^_________________^!!!

I don't know, theres just something about him I find incredibly grating. I didn't even find Eccelston that great for the matter, I just preferred him to David. Yes, he's a good actor, I'm not saying anything of that sort that would imply he isn't, he just doesn't feel like the Doctor to me. It's hard to take his upbeat attitude seriously when, compared to Tom Baker, it pales somewhat.

I watch Who because I grew up with Who. My uncle has every single episode on VHS and the newer DVD editions (he's even a Tardis to store them in, albiet smaller, more shelf like) and it's a show I've religiously watched for years to come, so it's only fair of me to continue watching it. And guess what, sometimes it is good and I feel happy, but for the most part it feels as if they've butchered the real feel to show. Everything feels brighter, glossier, happier. I just can't stand the direction it's taken.

I hope Moffat has some serious changes in mind.

Davros is great because he isn't any different to how he should be.
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That's what I don't get, you say "It's hard to take his upbeat attitude seriously when, compared to Tom Baker, it pales somewhat. " as if that's the only thing Tennant has in his repertoire as The Doctor but as we dicussed earlier, Tennant has more than that up his sleeve, also, isn't comparing to Tom Baker and finding he comes up short a little harsh, considering that every Doctor that came after him was, against Tom Baker, sub standard. In fact Eccelston and Tennant are the probably the first Doctors that can even compare with him.

Whether you used to watch the show religiously as a kid or not, if your not enjoying it, then it's time to stop watching, the direction the show has taken has proved successful and I think will continue to be this way, which for me at least, is a good thing, as I think it's better than it ever was.
 
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