dumb ass Peta

[ericms]

What does ANY of what you said have to do with my post? Why are you singling me out? I didn't see you post anything refuting the fact that PETA doesn't care about humans. They're more concerned about animal deaths in situations like Katrina, and wars abroad. Remember the famous donkey quote?

Its good that they care for animals... somebody needs to, but PETA is the wrong organization to do it. They support militant extremist organizations that firebomb research clinics and the like.

We'd be nowhere near where we are today with cures, and vaccines and other medical breakthroughs, without the animals that we have tested on. And PETA wants to put a stop to all that with firebombs.

Breakthroughs!?!? I'm sorry but I'm a raw-foodist (for health purposes) and I kind of find that statement funny yet sad. Like I'm going to take advice/"cures" from people who are unhealthy/sick/diseaseing themselves. Doctors make "medicine" which in reality just kills us more. We can no longer go out in the sun because we'll get skin cancer. We can no longer get near wild animals because they're sick and dangerous but in reality it's just that out bodies have been so ****ed up by mutated food and medicine our bodies don't even know how to interact with the world anymore.

Honestly, do you see any other animal cooking, mutating and destroying its food. These days we domesticate animals and force them to eat disgusting vile shit, and look what happens to them? They get sick and die from disease just like us. We're isolating ourselves from the resources given to us by mother nature and look at how diseased the average person is. Where it's normal to have allergies, and it's common now to get cancer and these stupid ass diseases. This is our body telling us to stop but we're not listening because the doctors need their god damn money.

 

[Uriel]

Did I mention I love Beef, Chicken, and other tasty animals? Next thing we know eating potatoes will be considering inhuman unless we inject the potato with an anethestetic. I really do care about animals and have problems shooting birds (meaning i dont like killing animals myself) but they're so dadgum good to eat. We had a Animal Right Parade at my school, so my friend and I ran to KFC and bought a bucket, ran back and feasted upon those delectable breats while we watched the parade from the sidewalk. Animals are for eating.... cept dogs, cats, llamas, etc

 

[Raziaar]

Breakthroughs!?!? I'm sorry but I'm a raw-foodist (for health purposes) and I kind of find that statement funny yet sad. Like I'm going to take advice/"cures" from people who are unhealthy/sick/diseaseing themselves. Doctors make "medicine" which in reality just kills us more. We can no longer go out in the sun because we'll get skin cancer. We can no longer get near wild animals because they're sick and dangerous but in reality it's just that out bodies have been so ****ed up by mutated food and medicine our bodies don't even know how to interact with the world anymore.

Honestly, do you see any other animal cooking, mutating and destroying its food. These days we domesticate animals and force them to eat disgusting vile shit, and look what happens to them? They get sick and die from disease just like us. We're isolating ourselves from the resources given to us by mother nature and look at how diseased the average person is. Where it's normal to have allergies, and it's common now to get cancer and these stupid ass diseases. This is our body telling us to stop but we're not listening because the doctors need their god damn money.

Dude, nearly all the medicines that are life saving are tested on animals. Do you know where we'd be today without medicine? I'm not talking about those bullshit things that help you lose weight, and stuff. I'm talking about cures for debilitating diseases, and vaccines for them, etc.

 

[15357]

Breakthroughs!?!? I'm sorry but I'm a raw-foodist (for health purposes) and I kind of find that statement funny yet sad. Like I'm going to take advice/"cures" from people who are unhealthy/sick/diseaseing themselves. Doctors make "medicine" which in reality just kills us more. We can no longer go out in the sun because we'll get skin cancer. We can no longer get near wild animals because they're sick and dangerous but in reality it's just that out bodies have been so ****ed up by mutated food and medicine our bodies don't even know how to interact with the world anymore.

Honestly, do you see any other animal cooking, mutating and destroying its food. These days we domesticate animals and force them to eat disgusting vile shit, and look what happens to them? They get sick and die from disease just like us. We're isolating ourselves from the resources given to us by mother nature and look at how diseased the average person is. Where it's normal to have allergies, and it's common now to get cancer and these stupid ass diseases. This is our body telling us to stop but we're not listening because the doctors need their god damn money.

Sure you get skin cancer.

And the dieases are because you live in a capitalist society. Its unavoidable unless you want your food rationed.

Or we could always do:

Union Aerospace Corporation: Military Division

-Planetary Domination

 

[Absinthe]

lol this bitch gon get OWNED

 

[ericms]

You mean the diseases caused by that shit you eat. What's the point in having medicine when it's not necessary? I eat raw fruit, vegetables, and nuts/seeds only and I can safely tell you I feel an infinte amount of times better. EVERY AND ALL sickness I had ceased. I can sit out all day every day and never get skin cancer. I can interact with my world fine now. I'm not restricted like you. You CAN NOT BEAT MOTHER NATURE. All you're doing is making life more complicated for yourself. I can understand that living a disease free life feels foreign to you, since you've grown up with it. If you want to read about cancer, herpes and disease being cured go here:

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/list.php?f=7

 

[Raziaar]

WTF is with seal clubbing? Do people actually do that?

 

[Lemonking]

lol @ nature boy

You might know this story abou this german "doctor" who claimed he can heal cancer with Vitamins and all "natural" this boy one boy that had cancer was kinda like his show case and everybody was like: oh modern medicence has failed all hail natural Viatmins


that boy died in cuba in pain cuz he.s parnts where as whack as you ericms

 

[Raziaar]

You mean the diseases caused by that shit you eat. What's the point in having medicine when it's not necessary? I eat raw fruit, vegetables, and nuts/seeds only and I can safely tell you I feel an infinte amount of times better. EVERY AND ALL sickness I had ceased. I can sit out all day every day and never get skin cancer. I can interact with my world fine now. I'm not restricted like you. You CAN NOT BEAT MOTHER NATURE. All you're doing is making life more complicated for yourself. I can understand that living a disease free life feels foreign to you, since you've grown up with it. If you want to read about cancer, herpes and disease being cured go here:

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/list.php?f=7

I call total bullshit on your immunity to skin cancer.

 

[Absinthe]

Dude, he eats fruit! Of course he's immune to skin cancer! I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to reverse the aging process as well!
In other news, a cow has just flown over the moon.

 

[ericms]

First of all I do not take vitmains or suppluments. I get it naturally through food. Raziaar, I'm not sure how I can prove it to you other then you yourself looking into raw food or even taking it up yourself.

Oh yeah! When you're sick you age quicker. In some cases MUCH quicker. So yes I am aging quite slowly thank you.

 

[Raziaar]

First of all I do not take vitmains or suppluments. I get it naturally through food. Raziaar, I'm not sure how I can prove it to you other then you yourself looking into raw food or even taking it up yourself.

Oh yeah! When you're sick you age quicker. In some cases MUCH quicker. So yes I am aging quite slowly thank you.

Can world peace be achieved if everybody ate raw foods? It sounds like it solves everything bad!

 

[ericms]

Haha, hey it might! I certainly am not as angry as a person. I hope you guys will just look into this. I certainly would like more people to be able to feel how good I do. I just am dissapointed in people thinking life has to involve shitty moods and sickness.

 

[15357]

Raw fish is good, but everything else is just bad. Except the fruits and veggies.

 

[ericms]

Hah, I think you misunderstood what I meant by raw. When I say raw I meant appropriate for the given animal. As we're herbivores I mean fruits, veggies, and nuts/seeds. Carnivores on the other hand raw meat, poultry w/e.

 

[Raziaar]

Hah, I think you misunderstood what I meant by raw. When I say raw I meant appropriate for the given animal. As we're herbivores I mean fruits, veggies, and nuts/seeds. Carnivores on the other hand raw meat, poultry w/e.

We're not herbivores. We're omnivores. We eat meat too.

 

[ericms]

Everything about the way our body was constructed points towards herbivore not to mention how we "magically" heal once we begin eating raw. Here you go Raziaar (scroll down for a comparative chart also). Enjoy.

http://www.vegsource.com/veg_faq/comparative.htm

 

[Raziaar]

Everything about the way our body was constructed points towards herbivore not to mention how we "magically" heal once we begin eating raw. Here you go Raziaar. Enjoy.

http://www.vegsource.com/veg_faq/comparative.htm

It all has to do with the modern processing of foods, is why that happens. Many ancient people were very healthy when they were eating unprocessed cooked meats.

 

[ericms]

So why don't you eat "unproccesed cooked meat" (which is technically kind contradicting since cooking food is unatural)? See if you feel any better... you won't. Just like you won't after you eat dairy and cooked anything.

 

[15357]

So why don't you eat "unproccesed cooked meat" (which is technically kind contradicting since cooking food is unatural)? See if you feel any better... you won't. Just like you won't after you eat dairy and cooked anything.

So you are saying that we should all go back to the stone age?

 

[Skaadi]

So you are saying that we should all go back to the stone age?

I'd sure like to, I'd be with my own kind then.

 

[15357]

I'd sure like to, I'd be with my own kind then.

You mean aliens visited Earth in the stone age?


No wonder we got so messed up.

 

[Skaadi]

*laughs evilly*

 

[ericms]

That's funny! Why do you think that diet alone can cause technology to diminsh? I love technology! I think getting rid of my computer would be much harder then giving up some mutated food, don't you? Having an all raw world would certainly be exciting though. No more sickness...

Also I think technology would grow even quickly if the world were raw. I myself have expirence a clearer mind. I used to have a cloudy mind sometimes and always get stuck on certain things. I kinda enjoy doing them now. Damn this must sound so weird but it's all so true.

 

[Raziaar]

That's funny! Why do you think that diet alone can cause technology to diminsh? I love technology! I think getting rid of my computer would be much harder then giving up some mutated food, don't you? Having an all raw world would certainly be exciting though. No more sickness...

Also I think technology would grow even quickly if the world were raw. I myself have expirence a clearer mind. I used to have a cloudy mind sometimes and always get stuck on certain things. I kinda enjoy doing them now. Damn this must sound so weird but it's all so true.

Dude... the world has been very disease ridden long before modern processing techniques.

And it would be disease ridden long after. Sickness did not come from man eatnig meats and other dietary habits.


Meats are not inherently harmful to the body.

 

[15357]

That's funny! Why do you think that diet alone can cause technology to diminsh? I love technology! I think getting rid of my computer would be much harder then giving up some mutated food, don't you? Having an all raw world would certainly be exciting though. No more sickness...

Also I think technology would grow even quickly if the world were raw. I myself have expirence a clearer mind. I used to have a cloudy mind sometimes and always get stuck on certain things. I kinda enjoy doing them now. Damn this must sound so weird but it's all so true.

And you say cooking meat is bad, huh?

 

[ericms]

So you're saying disease came naturally? Wow, just wow. You need to just stop talking right now man. Disease has EVERYTHING to do with food. Eat completely raw for a week (or longer) and you'll have a perfect example.

Yes I am 15357. I am also saying uncooked natural meat is also bad for humans just as it is for herbivores (which we are). Do you see lions cooking their meat? No. Unlike humans they have a highly acidic system suitable for meats. We would probably get sick from not only trying to digest the raw meat but also from bacteria that carnivores system can easily rid itself of.

 

[15357]

So you're saying disease came naturally? Wow, just wow. You need to just stop talking right now man. Disease has EVERYTHING to do with food. Eat completely raw for a week (or longer) and you'll have a perfect example.

Yes I am 15357. I am also saying uncooked natural meat is also bad for humans just as it is for herbivores (which we are). Do you see lions cooking their meat? No. Unlike humans they have a highly acidic system suitable for meats. We would probably get sick from not only trying to digest the raw meat but also from bacteria that carnivores system can easily rid itself of.

We evolved. We ate uncooked meat. Then we got fire and cooked it.

 

[ericms]

Yet we still get sick because of it... there is just no reasoning with you cooked folk. I mean you're saying that sickness is natural. Then tell me why do I not get SICK? Why do completely natural animals not get sick? Are you saying I'm special, or I'm faking? Then why are there thousands of other raw-foodists just like me being cured of all illness. I can't believe how much the "doctors" have gotten into your head. Bed.

 

[Absinthe]

Maybe you get sick from eating prepared food. I don't. To be frank, your righteous "eat raw and purify teh soul" get-up is getting rather irritating.

Cured of all illness. I doubt it.

 

[Skaadi]

You can both try and set a record. See if this arguement can last longer than the one between Absinthe and Posey.

 

[Absinthe]

Heheh... No, I have no intention of going further than this.

He wants to eat raw. I want to eat what I gain satisfaction from. He may very well live a healthier life than I do because of his diet. I simply couldn't care though. I'm living well enough as it is. I feel no need to be a health freak.

 

[15357]

Yet we still get sick because of it... there is just no reasoning with you cooked folk. I mean you're saying that sickness is natural. Then tell me why do I not get SICK? Why do completely natural animals not get sick? Are you saying I'm special, or I'm faking? Then why are there thousands of other raw-foodists just like me being cured of all illness. I can't believe how much the "doctors" have gotten into your head. Bed.

Ok, let me organize this:

Cooking:

Pros
Tastes better
Kills germs and harmful parasites
Makes it softer and better for the stomach.
Cons
Apparently bad for health.

Eating raw:

pros:
Sushi is good. :E
Healthier?
Cons:
Germs
Parasites such as ringworms and round ones
Less easy on the stomach
Tastes relatively shit

 

[Razor]

:upstare: ...we've had this discussion before raziaar. did you even read the article? they're comparing it to slavery because according to laws in north america animals are property. That loophole allows corporate farms free reign to maximise profit by minimizing overhead ..meaning the animals are kept in very small cages where a staggeringly high number of them are diseased or dying ..this is what is served on your plate. You're most likely eating an animal that spent it's short life stuck in a small cage unable to move, lying in it's and other's shit, urine, and blood (they often kill each other).

this is what you stand to contract from animals that live in those kind of conditions:

Staphylococcus aureus, Salmonella, Clostridium perfringens, Campylobacter, Listeria monocytogenes, Vibrio parahaemolyticus, Bacillus cereus, and Entero-pathogenic Escherichia coli

and that just translates as food poisoning ..there's no long term research on other additives such as growth hormones, antibiotics, anti-microbials. Disease in particular is favourable in these types of conditions:

partial list

Ascarid Worms
Aspergillosis
Blackhead
Botulism
Cage Layer Fatigue
Capillaria
Cecal Worms
Chiggers
Coccidiosis
Erysipelas
E. coli
Fatty Liver Hemorrhagic Syndrome
Fowl Cholera
Fowl Pox
Fowl Typhoid
Gapeworms
Heximitiasis
Infectious Bronchitis
Infectious Bursal Disease
Infectious Coryza
Lice
Lymphoid Leucosis
Marek's Disease
Mites
Moniliasis
Mycoplasmas
Mycotoxicosis
Necrotic Enteritis
Newcastle Disease
Omphalitis
Pullorum
Quail Bronchitis
Tapeworms
Ticks
Ulcerative Enteritis


if you people would wake up for a minute and ignore the tenor of the message and ignore the assumptions you have about peta you'd realise that fundamentally they are in it for the welfare of animals ..their methodolgy may be questionable but at least they're doing something


non-biased source


Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs) now account for 74 percent of the world's poultry products; 68 percent of eggs; 50 percent of pork products; and 43 percent of beef.

I agree, far more animals should be brought up in a free range life style even if it means adding 20p to the cost of the eggs or whatever. However, Peta are no better then the fundraising and political wing of people like the alf who are terrorist organisations. And when some snot nosed woman who uses medicines tested on animals say we can't test medicines on animals, that is just hypocritical and can in no way support. They also state that anyone and everyone who has a pet, even if it's a guide dog for the blind or whatever, are nothing but scum and should let their gerbils and hamsters and cats roam free.

 

[Raziaar]

So you're saying disease came naturally? Wow, just wow. You need to just stop talking right now man. Disease has EVERYTHING to do with food. Eat completely raw for a week (or longer) and you'll have a perfect example.

Yes I am 15357. I am also saying uncooked natural meat is also bad for humans just as it is for herbivores (which we are). Do you see lions cooking their meat? No. Unlike humans they have a highly acidic system suitable for meats. We would probably get sick from not only trying to digest the raw meat but also from bacteria that carnivores system can easily rid itself of.

No. Many diseases came from unhealthy living conditions. Native americans ate lots of meat... they didnt really have any problems until the white man came.

 

[ericms]

Ok, let me organize this:

Cooking:

Pros
Tastes better
Kills germs and harmful parasites
Makes it softer and better for the stomach.
Cons
Apparently bad for health.

Eating raw:

pros:
Sushi is good. :E
Healthier?
Cons:
Germs
Parasites such as ringworms and round ones
Less easy on the stomach
Tastes relatively shit

Stop bringing up meat as raw for humans please. I do find raw foods to be much tastier then cooked foods now though. You WILL NOT get sick from germs if you're not eating raw meat. Raw food is much, much, much easier on the stomach. Meat basically rots in your stomach matter of fact. Where as if you eat some salad and fruit it'll be out of your system very quickly. Here is the food that can cause ringworm:

"Raw or undercooked beef may contain tapeworms or the roundworm Trichinella. Raw fish such as sushi, sashimi, ceviche, and smoked salmon may contain tapeworms and anisakid worms. Poor digestion can be a contributing factor. Someone with a low acid level in the stomach may not be killing germs in the foods they eat."

All meat. Poor digestion is obviously caused by meat and dairy. Herbivores naturally have a more alkaline system (blood, urine, and bodily fluids). One not suitable for breaking down those foods.

Raziaar, Native Americans were eating mostly uncooked food, not to mention they had no need for medication. When the white man came he introduced him them to what? Alot of cooked meat. Read more about their diet before the cooked came.

http://www.maliburaw.com/Native_Vegetarianism_1.htm

"More than one tribe has creation legends which describe people as vegetarian, living in a kind of Garden of Eden. A Cherokee legend describes humans, plants, and animals as having lived in the beginning in "equality and mutual helpfulness". The needs of all were met without killing one another. When man became aggressive and ate some of the animals, the animals invented diseases to keep human population in check. The plants remained friendly, however, and offered themselves not only as food to man, but also as medicine, to combat the new diseases."

 

[SimonomiS]

We're people! We're better than animals!

Why?

Because we build machines, and destroy the planet and have absolutely no balance with our eco-system!

 

[Nat Turner]

"More than one tribe has creation legends which describe people as vegetarian, living in a kind of Garden of Eden. A Cherokee legend describes humans, plants, and animals as having lived in the beginning in "equality and mutual helpfulness". The needs of all were met without killing one another. When man became aggressive and ate some of the animals, the animals invented diseases to keep human population in check. The plants remained friendly, however, and offered themselves not only as food to man, but also as medicine, to combat the new diseases."

Of course, the Indians are always correct and the White Man is wrong. I agree that we should go run around in the woods naked, build longhouses and canoes, and eat shrooms and broccoli for the rest of our lives.

Gimme a break.

 

[SimonomiS]

Of course, the Indians are always correct and the White Man is wrong. I agree that we should go run around in the woods naked, build longhouses and canoes, and eat shrooms and broccoli for the rest of our lives.

Gimme a break.

Ever hear of respect for other cultures?

 

[Beerdude26]

Ok, let's break this down...
Ericms : "The human body is aimed to digest non-meat products"
Wrong. Look at other herbivores. They have a MUCH longer bowel system than us. Why? Because extracting nutrients from plant-like food is HARD, dammit! And that appendix? You know what it is? It's a gland that helps digest plant-like food. Do we have it? NO. Our bowel system is much shorter and we don't have an appendix. I rest my case.

Second :
Ericms : "Native Americans were eating mostly uncooked food, not to mention they had no need for medication."
We have to go back to the Stone Age for this (as you suggested) : When Man was a simple monkey-like creature, it lived of seeds, berries and edible plants. (Sounds familiar, eh?) Then, as it evolved, it began walking upright. It gained speed. Sometimes it found some raw meat. It ate it and probably got sick. Evolution caused us to have stronger bacteria and digestion systems for raw meat. After some time, Man discovered fire. The parabola went down again : We got weaker bacteria and weaker digestion systems. Indians didn't follow this step. While everyone else was adapting to diseases in their own places ((Parts of) Europe, America, Antarctica,...), Indians stayed behind, adapting to their own diseases. Everyone was happy. But then, OMG, the EVIL WHITE MAN arrived!!! He threw about cooked meat and everyone DIED! JUST LIKE THAT! Just kidding. What actually happened, was that the white man brought rats and other rodents with him, that had certain diseases in them (the white man had some too). The white man was immune to these puny bacteria, but all the Indians died. Ever heard how white people erradicated some Indian camps? They gave them blankets that were sneezed and coughed upon.