Halo 3

[Warbie]

Silly Warbie.

 

[Rapstah]

That's horrible map design.

 

[Stigmata]

That's horrible map design.

Because 45 seconds of a guy walking in a 5-by-5-meter area of an enormous map shows you the whole thing.

 

[Rapstah]

I'm sure what they didn't show us has better design than what we saw, I'm sure. :naughty:

 

[Stormy]

ZzzzZZZZZ

 

[Warbie]

More footage, some old some new.

Click me

Click me

Saved vid demo:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h53hi12o30[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=carEdcKcxW8[/YOUTUBE]

Not long now

 

[Cormeh]

I'm actually really looking forward to Halo 3, thanks for the info Warbie.

The multiplayer Beta was stable, pretty and most of all fun. I hope the SP is a bit more engaging this time around.

 

[burnzie]

*snip*

Game design and graphics, anyone? :|

I'm sure thats probably a bad representation but the rock formations look like they swiped the map from HL1.

was that really Halo3?

 

[TheDude]

I'm really looking forward to this as well. There's no better gaming experience than playing Halo on legendary with a few buddies. Hell, playing Halo on legendary by yourself is a great time in itself. Not long now.

 

[Warbie]

Being able to record demos and send them to mates is going to be awesome. I used to spend hours downloading Golden Eye speed runs (56k back then :/) and watching RTCW demos etc so am well into this kind of thing.

 

[knut]

Cool footage, Warbie. Theres some leaked Epsilon (some kind of event, I gather?) footage on Youtube showing the new human Hornet in action, aswell as some bad quality footage of the Elephant transport/base tank, both on the biggest map 'Sandtrap', which looks well awesome.

Personally, Halo 3 is the thing I'm most looking forward to right now. Episode 2 is there aswell, tied, but I know I'm not going to get the same replay value out of Orange Box as much as I will Halo 3. Just getting back online with all my close mates again, on the night of the release day, like back two years ago when we'd all meet up in a lobby and play some Halo 2, a good 7 to 8 of us. We haven't all played a game together in ages now - at least not a game we can all stick to for more than a month (GoW was hella fun but got old, and BF2:MC) but Halo 2 kept us gaming for a good year and a half or so.

 

[Warbie]

Theres some leaked Epsilon (some kind of event, I gather?) footage on Youtube showing the new human Hornet in action, aswell as some bad quality footage of the Elephant transport/base tank, both on the biggest map 'Sandtrap', which looks well awesome.

Some of that is shown in the second 'click me' - at least the massive vehicle is.

I'm getting excited too now - launch night will be great fun with people playing co-op, online matches and sharing tips, tricks and cool runs via demos. With Mass Effect, Mario Galxy and Metroid Prime on the way, not to mention Portal, TF2 etc, it's hard not to be a very happy gamer at the moment

 

[Lt. Drebin]

I don't know what to think about the campaign. Looks beautiful, but Halo 2 kept me interested for all of an hour before I jumped into the multiplayer...which I still play. And, the only thing that kept me playing Halo was Coop mode.

I'm getting this game, but I'm getting nervous. I am praying for an epic campaign, but am not letting my hopes get too high.

 

[Warbie]

At the very worst expect some epic battles, with lots of shit blowing up and vehicles driving/flying around, and a very meaty, feature packed game. Halo 3 is going to be fun on many levels - if it turns out to be great at any of them then that's just a nice bonus.

 

[jimbo118]

why cant i get excited for this? i never played halo or halo2 but this is like the biggest upcoming 360 game and i amn't pumped for it

 

[Stigmata]

That's not normal. You should get that checked out.

 

[Sparta]

At the very worst expect some epic battles, with lots of shit blowing up and vehicles driving/flying around, and a very meaty, feature packed game. Halo 3 is going to be fun on many levels - if it turns out to be great at any of them then that's just a nice bonus.

I'd say that's pretty much guaranateed.

At the absolute best, this is going to be the best FPS game to ever come out a console, but Halo 2 did promise the same thing and failed there. So if it comes close, or matches the fun that Halo was i'll be plenty happy.

 

[Stigmata]

I'd say that's pretty much guaranateed.

At the absolute best, this is going to be the best FPS game to ever come out a console, but Halo 2 did promise the same thing and failed there. So if it comes close, or matches the fun that Halo was i'll be plenty happy.

True, but it seems like Bungie at least had a half-decent reason why Halo 2 sucked so much. It looks like they've fixed everything that was wrong with it.

Here's hoping that Halo 3 mixes the balance and awesomeness of the original with the huge step up in online functionality and sheer content that Halo 2 brought.

 

[brink's]

At the very worst expect some epic battles, with lots of shit blowing up and vehicles driving/flying around,

Wow...sounds exactly like the first two...

 

[Warbie]

Since when were epic battles a bad thing?

I'm looking forward to rushing into battle with marines next to me, lazers and vehicles everywhere, drop ships coming into land. I don't see any other fps offering it, especially for 4 people to play in online co-op. Even if Halo isn't your cup of tea, anyone who isn't useless with a joypad will likely enjoy the co-op side of things.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

I don't see any other fps offering it, especially for 4 people to play in online co-op. Even if Halo isn't your cup of tea, anyone who isn't useless with a joypad will likely enjoy the co-op side of things.

I'd say that's what I'm looking forward to. The Co-op play...I just don't know what else the series can do...outside of the multiplayer, little else kept me interested. I expect the campaign to be rather lame by itself...I've seen this show two times now...if it weren't for the fact that EVERYONE is going to stop playing Halo 2 multi, I'd probably just stick with that and save myself $60. It'll be just like CS...when Source dropped, there were no good 1.6 servers left...ahh well...

 

[Mr-Fusion]

I laughed so ****ing hard in months.
I am temped to sig it.


Also I saw the IGN link to the Halo 3 concept art, screens, and campaign screens, the concept art is horrible... Valve's artwork is outstanding, where as Bungie's is ****ing terrible.

See what I mean?

Interesting. Master chief becomes anorexic and becomes a little skinny vomitting bitch?

 

[Kula Meenur]

^^ OH **** i lol'd so hard

 

[Warbie]

Interesting. Master chief becomes anorexic and becomes a little skinny vomitting bitch?

That was worth bringing up again :thumbs:

Bit of a resurrection, but...

To me, those Bungie images aren't concept art. They're storyboards. Storyboards ARE quick sketches - meant to show key points in a major animation. They only have to be detailed enough to identify the things within them.

Concept art is meant to give a detailed idea of an item, location, or creature with the intent of then bringing that image in-game or at least posing it as a possible idea. They're meant to show things that haven't been seen before. Arguing that the Bungie images are concept art is ridiculous since they are nowhere near detailed enough to do what concept art is intended to do, nor do they depict anything new.

Arguing that they are terrible is equally pointless, because the intent of the image was entirely different. On the other hand, why Bungie thought those particular images were worthy of a media release, I have no idea.

 

[Asknoone]

On the other hand, why Bungie thought those particular images were worthy of a media release, I have no idea.

Because Bungie - and a fact this may well be - are PR whores. Their heads are so far up their asses that they really don't know the difference anymore; they believe, by default, everything they release - no matter the quality - will be truly great. Has anyone even watched a Bungie interview? srsly, so cocky, so full of themselves.

Nausiating viewing

 

[Harryz]

So true, how they mananged to sell millions of copies of two medicore games is beyond me.

 

[Warbie]

Nausiating is a little strong - show me any developer interview and you'll hear similar. They're all PR whores - at least the ones good at their jobs. As for the sketch, IGN hosted it. For all we know it was just bundled in with the other media that was floating about at the time. It's the people who draw atention to the pic that are making a big deal out of it, not Bungie.

Every Halo thread degenerates into playground pointing and name calling. It's getting a little pathetic.

 

[Polaris]

So true, how they mananged to sell millions of copies of two medicore games is beyond me.

M$ $upport?

 

[Bad^Hat]

Every Halo thread degenerates into playground pointing and name calling. It's getting a little pathetic.

I know you are, but what am I?

 

[Warbie]

So true, how they mananged to sell millions of copies of two medicore games is beyond me.

Because, in the areas that Halo is very good, it has no competition.

Halo is a natural progression of the original Doom. Something that celebrates action - that you're holding a big gun and something is going down. It does this better than any other console or pc fps - that's why it's popular.

I know you are, but what am I?

Good one

 

[Asknoone]

Every Halo thread degenerates into playground pointing and name calling. It's getting a little pathetic.

People are allowed to comment, positive or negative. I wasn't name calling, I was simply pointing out the Bungie trend. The only person who oustrips them in immeasurable ego is Hideo Kojima. Sure, Bungie are swarmy and annoying, but at least they don't release ridiculous videos that focus more on the creator than the game.

I remember the MGS4 promo thing. "Metal Gear Solid 4....NO HIDEO!?!?!"

Bungie are still as cocky as ever though.

 

[Warbie]

That last part wasn't aimed at you, Samon - just in general.

Pretty much every developer interview sets out to make their product sound like the second coming. If anything, Bungie's ego is fuelled by how ridiculously successful they've been with the Halo franchise, which is fair enough.

Going off on a bit of a ramble - had Halo never been scraped for the pc and Halo 1 & 2 been released for both formats at the same time, I firmly beleive that 90% of every Halo bashing comment found on this and similar forums simply wouldn't exist.

 

[Asknoone]

I'm a console gamer. My bashing would be the same.

 

[Warbie]

But perhaps not to the same extent? There are so, so many games more deserving of bashing. You also see the areas in which Halo is good - which is more than quite a few naysayers - and therefore must understand why it has such a following. At the end of the day, bashing the aspects of a game that its fans couldn't give a toss about is rather pointless.

The reason Halo is attacked so vehemently is because it's a hugely successful console fps that was once scheduled for the pc.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Halo ruled. Haters can go kill themselves plz. :|

Edited for this thread in particular

 

[Asknoone]

But perhaps not to the same extent? There are so, so many games more deserving of bashing. You also see the areas in which Halo is good - which is more than quite a few naysayers - and therefore must understand why it has such a following. At the end of the day, bashing the aspects of a game that its fans couldn't give a toss about is rather pointless.

The reason Halo is attacked so vehemently is because it's a hugely successful console fps that was once scheduled for the pc.

k so I see where it's good. Don't pull the Legendary card because I have beaten it on Legendary, and I did thoroughly enjoy it for the most part. But that isn't really the point. I bash the mundane gameplay and level design. These are fair complaints. Halo hasn't gone anywhere since it was released. Halo 2 was mediocre and a total step back; Halo 3 from what I've seen looks almost identical to that. I'll buy it, but I don't believe Bungie will change a thing because their game design philosophy is as flat as it was when they started.

This isn't about PC or console. It isn't about what it does well. It's about what it doesn't do well. Alot of games do things good, and alot of games do things bad. I've named the good points of Halo, but when those good points haven't been developed upon, and where new 'good points' haven't been introduced, I'm going to turn my attention to the things that suck and have stayed sucky since the series began.

At the end of the day, bashing the aspects of a game that its fans couldn't give a toss about is rather pointless.

Oh come on, you could use that argument for anything. Resident Evil fans couldn't give a toss about the difficult camera or the stiff character movement; so don't bash it it's rather pointless! Hell, I could toss up that argument everytime you knock hl2 for not being something it doesn't want to be. Dead end argument.

You also can't generalize that as the reason why it's bashed so much (PC/console thing).

 

[TheDude]

I totally agree that Halo 2 took a step backward. I loved Halo to death, and I beat both on Legendary. The experience that I had with Halo was one of the funnest experiences I've had with video games; but halo 2 on the other hand was missing something. Maybe it was the shitty story that made you not care, or maybe it was poor level design. Whatever it was, it was a step backward from the original halo (other than the multiplayer of course, which was well done for a console game but mediocre compared to PC multiplayer.)

 

[Warbie]

Don't pull the Legendary card because I have beaten it on Legendary

I never intended to and was just pointing out that you at least appreciate what Halo does well (which, considering the age of the game, has been a rather recent development?). So why the level of bashing? Is it simply because the series is so popular, for the enjoyment of telling someone a game they like is crap?. Why have so many other, far poorer games, escaped so easily?

This isn't about PC or console.

It's completely about pc vs console. Perhaps not with you, but for many. Just mentioning the words console and fps makes many pc fans snort with contempt. The fact that it is massively successful and that they got a second rate port years later only adds to their rage.

I suspect many pc gamers don't remember the original outcry when Halo became an Xbox exclusive - how the legions of Marathon fans gnashed their teath and eager pc gamers wailed - yet they're still riding the original wave it casued.

It isn't about what it does well. It's about what it doesn't do well. Alot of games do things good, and alot of games do things bad. I've named the good points of Halo, but when those good points haven't been developed upon, and where new 'good points' haven't been introduced, I'm going to turn my attention to the things that suck and have stayed sucky since the series began.

I've no problem with people disliking Halo and turning their attention to the bits that didn't work for them, it's the fact they feel the need to go over things again and again that grates. So a few parts of the game were cut and paste, fair enough, it could have been better. Did this affect my enjoyment of the game, not really.

Oh come on, you could use that argument for anything. Resident Evil fans couldn't give a toss about the difficult camera or the stiff character movement; so don't bash it it's rather pointless! Hell, I could toss up that argument everytime you knock hl2 for not being something it doesn't want to be.

So HL2 didn't want to have good combat?

RE4 worked, even with the silly plot. There's so much good to focus on that lingering on its few failings doesn't make much sense to me. We could bash Mario for having a cheesey and predictable plot that never changes game after game, but what would be the point? For me, bashing the level design in Halo is no different to criticising a stage in Street Fighter 2. Sure, some of the backgrounds could have looked better and should be open to crticsim, but the focus and enjoyment was always in the fight. Halo promised 'combat eveolved' and, for many people, it delivered.

There are so many games that simply don't work at all.

You also can't generalize that as the reason why it's bashed so much (PC/console thing).

Well, why do you think it's bashed so much? Why is the hate almost universally found on pc gaming forums?

 

[Asknoone]

The internet went off when I was posting my very long reply.

 

[knut]

Good, then it's settled.

Steering away from pradictable talk, I've been reading through the Achievements of Halo 3 and it turns out theres 9 levels. Hopefully they will be more like Halo, stretching out missions into one long map, instead of Halo 2, where they filled space by dividing a map into two seperate levels.